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Post by dracolizard on May 17, 2020 12:55:17 GMT -5
Planning to upgrade them for my Haechi to replace the orkans. Dont wanna upgrade halfway and Pixonic nerf cryo later.
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Post by Garbage game on May 17, 2020 12:56:59 GMT -5
Does a bear ?dookie? in the woods?
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Post by seanh on May 17, 2020 13:18:19 GMT -5
Planning to upgrade them for my Haechi to replace the orkans. Dont wanna upgrade halfway and Pixonic nerf cryo later. I am doing the exact same thing and would be concerned also. But what can you do? Just carry on and see what happens. My gut says not directly for a while, but things like the new disguise module will be an indirect nerf. If will impact burst weapons more so, I think. You will probably have fired the full salvo of your rockets before you realise the target has that module, other weapon types might allow you to stop and wait it out. But that will be the same issue for orkans, gusts etc Anyway, I am going to carry on regardless and see what happens. Looking at the damage stats however it looks like 1.10 Cryo will do about the same damage as my 2.12 orkans, so it doesn’t appear to bad in terms of getting them to a point that they are viable.
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Post by OU812? on May 17, 2020 13:25:09 GMT -5
I’m betting on 12-18 months to be honest. The nerfs prior to the cryo release were significantly hard. Pix needs to give the player base time to forget that nerf and move on before they hit cryos with a nerf hammer.
In the meantime, Pix will introduce other attractive weapons and OP content to pay the bills. I think they have plenty of players still transitioning to cryos and in need of silver. Two months ago I was like, ‘cryos, not for me’ but now I’m looking at two of each type and two more rimes in my future. And the cryos don’t upgrade swiftly.
I’m more concerned that Pix will nerf other, older weapons they haven’t touched yet.
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Post by kamikazejohnson on May 17, 2020 13:31:27 GMT -5
I highly doubt Cryos will get nerfed soon. Sure, they're the dominant weapon right now, but nowhere near as dominating as Orkans were during the Dash/Spectre heyday.
They'll definitely get a nerf at some point, but likely not a "nerfed to oblivion" like the shotguns. And not soon.
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Post by Flaminius on May 17, 2020 13:38:54 GMT -5
I’m betting on 12-18 months to be honest. The nerfs prior to the cryo release were significantly hard. Pix needs to give the player base time to forget that nerf and move on before they hit cryos with a nerf hammer. In the meantime, Pix will introduce other attractive weapons and OP content to pay the bills. I think they have plenty of players still transitioning to cryos and in need of silver. Two months ago I was like, ‘cryos, not for me’ but now I’m looking at two of each type and two more rimes in my future. And the cryos don’t upgrade swiftly. I’m more concerned that Pix will nerf other, older weapons they haven’t touched yet. Is there anything left for them to nerf? On second thoughts :Checks hangar: yeah, they could easily still slap down Scourges and Tarans (again) to get a few more sales I guess.
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Post by RightOn on May 17, 2020 13:47:03 GMT -5
Undoubtedly eventual adjustments
Rime in particular is almost a Cryo. Glacier is head and shoulders above rime, then again Exodus is head and shoulders above pinatas and Orkan.
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Post by seanh on May 17, 2020 13:50:10 GMT -5
Lots of things on that list I would think.
All the Ravanna’s are running storms, they won’t let that last. I have just leveled up some mags for my blitz, they work too well, way to well for a very cheap weapon. I am sure there are plenty more potentials.
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Post by OU812? on May 17, 2020 13:55:56 GMT -5
I’m betting on 12-18 months to be honest. The nerfs prior to the cryo release were significantly hard. Pix needs to give the player base time to forget that nerf and move on before they hit cryos with a nerf hammer. In the meantime, Pix will introduce other attractive weapons and OP content to pay the bills. I think they have plenty of players still transitioning to cryos and in need of silver. Two months ago I was like, ‘cryos, not for me’ but now I’m looking at two of each type and two more rimes in my future. And the cryos don’t upgrade swiftly. I’m more concerned that Pix will nerf other, older weapons they haven’t touched yet. Is there anything left for them to nerf? On second thoughts :Checks hangar: yeah, they could easily still slap down Scourges and Tarans (again) to get a few more sales I guess. Yeah, I’m worried about scourges too, as well as my pulsars. I’d just got a set of Dragoon’s to lvl 12 when Pix gave them a small by significant enough nerf in the firing mechanics.
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Post by Shockwave on May 17, 2020 14:18:03 GMT -5
As sure as the sun comes every day.
But you shouldn't worry, they will still be useful.
I run a Haechi with Orkans some times and they still do well so the nerfs doesn't really affect me but if you're going for the Meta or the highest level of competition, your Hangar might suffer a hit.
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Post by Shockwave on May 17, 2020 14:22:23 GMT -5
I highly doubt Cryos will get nerfed soon. Sure, they're the dominant weapon right now, but nowhere near as dominating as Orkans were during the Dash/Spectre heyday. They'll definitely get a nerf at some point, but likely not a "nerfed to oblivion" like the shotguns. And not soon. I think they will be nerfed soon. They are the best weapons in the game at this point and they are giving them as free candy which is weird because Pixonic has never give strong items that easy. Ar this point tons of players have these weapons, Pixonic only needs to flip the switch to make everyone hangar useless. The shotgun nerf was a lie, they were modified to suit the gameplay of the Ravana and the upcoming Scorpion.
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Post by rags on May 17, 2020 15:43:54 GMT -5
I highly doubt Cryos will get nerfed soon. Sure, they're the dominant weapon right now, but nowhere near as dominating as Orkans were during the Dash/Spectre heyday. They'll definitely get a nerf at some point, but likely not a "nerfed to oblivion" like the shotguns. And not soon. I think they will be nerfed soon. They are the best weapons in the game at this point and they are giving them as free candy which is weird because Pixonic has never give strong items that easy. Ar this point tons of players have these weapons, Pixonic only needs to flip the switch to make everyone hangar useless. The shotgun nerf was a lie, they were modified to suit the gameplay of the Ravana and the upcoming Scorpion. They switched from selling items to selling upgrades. Make the items more accessible but make upgrades cost an arm and leg means people buying silver and gold.
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Post by RightOn on May 17, 2020 15:57:15 GMT -5
I highly doubt Cryos will get nerfed soon. Sure, they're the dominant weapon right now, but nowhere near as dominating as Orkans were during the Dash/Spectre heyday. They'll definitely get a nerf at some point, but likely not a "nerfed to oblivion" like the shotguns. And not soon. I think they will be nerfed soon. They are the best weapons in the game at this point and they are giving them as free candy which is weird because Pixonic has never give strong items that easy. Ar this point tons of players have these weapons, Pixonic only needs to flip the switch to make everyone hangar useless. The shotgun nerf was a lie, they were modified to suit the gameplay of the Ravana and the upcoming Scorpion. Well DPM was the culprit, Storm had nearly twice as much ammo as Corona and is only tier 2 vs 4. Overall reload time went up significantly. Ravana was in the works before the shotgun nerf. Storm isn't necessarily better for Ravana than Cryo, players just have them maxed.
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Post by endyu on May 17, 2020 19:17:57 GMT -5
Cryo is not as dominant as storms, corona, and halo were before the nerf.
Other options barely made sense back then, but right now we’re seeing more diversity in weapons used.
I think they need to buff up the atomizer family to make sustained damage more competitive to burst. If they do that, we should be seeing the most diverse era of war robots to date.
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Post by TheDecepticonIdeal on May 17, 2020 19:37:32 GMT -5
Short answer: yes
Long answer: why is this even a question?
I think we're smack bang right in the middle of the Cryo pack's dominance. The Atomiser family are next in line to take over. Once they're ready (a few months imo), Pix will hit the Cryo pack with a strong nerf to herd everyone to use Atomiser and friends as the most dominant playstyle.
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Post by AVC on May 17, 2020 19:44:12 GMT -5
It would be a hell of a nerf. Here are the numbers (as usual, level 9) for a full salvo. All the cryo weps are 4.3 seconds, the Orkan and Exodus is 4 seconds.
Rime - 41,280
Cryo - 51,600 Orkan - 37,800
Glacier - 98,728 Exodus - 84,720
So, the nerf would have to huge to bring it back to Orkan level. Hell, a Rime is better than an Orkan right now. Glacier is off the chart.
EDITED!!: Exodus data was older. Must have been the pre-buff value. Still, the Glacier beats it in any case
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Post by Shockwave on May 17, 2020 19:50:29 GMT -5
It would be a hell of a nerf. Here are the numbers (as usual, level 9) for a full salvo. All the cryo weps are 4.3 seconds, the Orkan and Exodus is 4 seconds. Rime - 41,280 Cryo - 51,600 Orkan - 37,800 Glacier - 98,000 Exodus - 64,400 So, the nerf would have to huge to bring it back to Orkan level. Hell, a Rime is better than an Orkan right now. Glacier is off the chart. And I they recharge even faster, like 4-5 less seconds.
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Post by snk on May 17, 2020 20:20:09 GMT -5
It will be nerf if a lot of people upgrade and using them. Orkan, Shocktrain, Taran, Guts, Storm, Halo, Corona, Avengers are few example.
The more items nerf, the more items will be in storage, the more new items will be purchased and upgraded, and some of the new items or updrade will be paid by credit card.
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Post by mechtout on May 17, 2020 22:33:56 GMT -5
These daily free 600 comps might make them the quickest nerf ever
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Post by RightOn on May 17, 2020 22:48:43 GMT -5
It would be a hell of a nerf. Here are the numbers (as usual, level 9) for a full salvo. All the cryo weps are 4.3 seconds, the Orkan and Exodus is 4 seconds. Rime - 41,280 Cryo - 51,600 Orkan - 37,800 Glacier - 98,000 Exodus - 64,400 So, the nerf would have to huge to bring it back to Orkan level. Hell, a Rime is better than an Orkan right now. Glacier is off the chart. IDK where you got your numbers when level 1 exo was 40k and glacier 45k. Something ain't right there.
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Post by alster on May 17, 2020 23:11:24 GMT -5
When too many have the weapon, they will nerf.
Too many had orkans - nerf. Too many had shotguns - nerf. Too many had avengers - nerf. Too many had Ao Juns - nerf.
There's already too many that have cryos. Complaining about the cryo nerf is like complaining about the shotgun nerf. It's going to happen no matter what.
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Post by dukeofadvil on May 17, 2020 23:41:39 GMT -5
Let's see. They offer parts dai
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Post by dukeofadvil on May 17, 2020 23:44:16 GMT -5
Let's see. They offer parts daily for winning to convince toy to stop in every day to play to collect, so I say yes.
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Post by rags on May 18, 2020 0:34:24 GMT -5
It would be a hell of a nerf. Here are the numbers (as usual, level 9) for a full salvo. All the cryo weps are 4.3 seconds, the Orkan and Exodus is 4 seconds. Rime - 41,280 Cryo - 51,600 Orkan - 37,800 Glacier - 98,000 Exodus - 64,400 So, the nerf would have to huge to bring it back to Orkan level. Hell, a Rime is better than an Orkan right now. Glacier is off the chart. They nerfed orkan to extinction. If they nerfed cryo to those levels nobody would use them anymore.
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Post by TheDecepticonIdeal on May 18, 2020 0:41:50 GMT -5
When too many have the weapon, they will nerf. Too many had orkans - nerf. Too many had shotguns - nerf. Too many had avengers - nerf. Too many had Ao Juns - nerf. There's already too many that have cryos. Complaining about the cryo nerf is like complaining about the shotgun nerf. It's going to happen no matter what. As long as you understand this is exactly how the nerf cycle works, you'll have zero surprises in this game. So all you Ravana and French Ming players out there, you're on notice.
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Post by TheDecepticonIdeal on May 18, 2020 0:45:56 GMT -5
It would be a hell of a nerf. Here are the numbers (as usual, level 9) for a full salvo. All the cryo weps are 4.3 seconds, the Orkan and Exodus is 4 seconds. Rime - 41,280 Cryo - 51,600 Orkan - 37,800 Glacier - 98,000 Exodus - 64,400 So, the nerf would have to huge to bring it back to Orkan level. Hell, a Rime is better than an Orkan right now. Glacier is off the chart. They nerfed orkan to extinction. If they nerfed cryo to those levels nobody would use them anymore. Small adjustment there: As soon as something STRONGER gets released, people will move on to them. Cryos don't necessarily have to be nerfed Orkan level. Just look at the Ares. It is still a strong bot. It's just stronger bots have since been released and that's why no one really plays the Ares all that much anymore. The only nerf the Ares got was a small speed need when it's in Purple mode. And SB is an option. Other than those two tweaks, the Ares is untouched. So Cyros don't necessarily even need a nerf. All Pix needs to do is release something stronger and everyone will herd towards that.
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Post by AVC on May 18, 2020 1:24:00 GMT -5
It would be a hell of a nerf. Here are the numbers (as usual, level 9) for a full salvo. All the cryo weps are 4.3 seconds, the Orkan and Exodus is 4 seconds. Rime - 41,280 Cryo - 51,600 Orkan - 37,800 Glacier - 98,000 Exodus - 64,400 So, the nerf would have to huge to bring it back to Orkan level. Hell, a Rime is better than an Orkan right now. Glacier is off the chart. IDK where you got your numbers when level 1 exo was 40k and glacier 45k. Something ain't right there. RightOn, you are right on! I get all my numbers from the wiki, most of the wep data for L9 I transpose to a spreadsheet. So the Exodus was older data. There was 10% buff earlier. I have edited to reflect to correct values. Thanks for the heads up! I may keep using my Exodus for a while yet. But those Orkans have got to go!
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Post by rags on May 18, 2020 3:34:03 GMT -5
They nerfed orkan to extinction. If they nerfed cryo to those levels nobody would use them anymore. Small adjustment there: As soon as something STRONGER gets released, people will move on to them. Cryos don't necessarily have to be nerfed Orkan level. Just look at the Ares. It is still a strong bot. It's just stronger bots have since been released and that's why no one really plays the Ares all that much anymore. The only nerf the Ares got was a small speed need when it's in Purple mode. And Shieldbreaker is an option. Other than those two tweaks, the Ares is untouched. So Cyros don't necessarily even need a nerf. All Pix needs to do is release something stronger and everyone will herd towards that. That’s true in general but in this instance the burst damage is insane, it’s hard to imagine something that could replace them without them being nerfed.
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Post by TheDecepticonIdeal on May 18, 2020 3:53:30 GMT -5
Small adjustment there: As soon as something STRONGER gets released, people will move on to them. Cryos don't necessarily have to be nerfed Orkan level. Just look at the Ares. It is still a strong bot. It's just stronger bots have since been released and that's why no one really plays the Ares all that much anymore. The only nerf the Ares got was a small speed need when it's in Purple mode. And Shieldbreaker is an option. Other than those two tweaks, the Ares is untouched. So Cyros don't necessarily even need a nerf. All Pix needs to do is release something stronger and everyone will herd towards that. That’s true in general but in this instance the burst damage is insane, it’s hard to imagine something that could replace them without them being nerfed. I see what you're saying, but a DIRECT nerf might not be necessary for people to move away from Cyros. New types of modules, buffs to other weapons, buffs to bots and things like that negate the burstyness of the Cryos, making them ineffective in higher play. It doesn't really matter what type of nerf the Cryos get (direct, or indirect), all we know is that it will happen. And with their current level of dominance, it's more likely to be soon than not.
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Post by rags on May 18, 2020 4:25:16 GMT -5
That’s true in general but in this instance the burst damage is insane, it’s hard to imagine something that could replace them without them being nerfed. I see what you're saying, but a DIRECT nerf might not be necessary for people to move away from Cyros. New types of modules, buffs to other weapons, buffs to bots and things like that negate the burstyness of the Cryos, making them ineffective in higher play. It doesn't really matter what type of nerf the Cryos get (direct, or indirect), all we know is that it will happen. And with their current level of dominance, it's more likely to be soon than not. I don’t think it will be soon. The common folk are just starting to amass them. They’ll be dominant at least for the rest of this year and even post nerf likely more usable than shotguns due to the range.
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