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Post by l》THE MACHINE《l on Dec 26, 2019 20:58:52 GMT -5
Sure you may have had troubles. Maybe you paid 1.1k gold instead of 1k when you rolled last so the 1k sounds better but think for a second. If you have to pay more to roll this time, but the last 2 or 3 times you paid only 500-900 gold you are still saving 200-1.4k gold.
I paid 1.65k gold for my cossacks ghost from rolling but before that I had 9 total times that I paid under 700 gold for for a skill. All those times I saved at least 2.7k gold so I saved WAY more then I lost even spending near double the cost. So please everyone, do the easy thing.
Also selecting a list of skills you want (7 for a maxed pilot so start at 7 for sure) then you have a 7/30 chance to get what you want rather than a 1/30. Even 3 skills makes it a 1/10 rather than 1/30, so make a list.
Just my 2 cents, YMMV
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Post by reckless1 on Dec 26, 2019 21:00:16 GMT -5
Agreed. Even when rolling for a specific skill I've never spent more than 700.
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Post by runamok on Dec 26, 2019 21:15:39 GMT -5
Yep, random works out cheaper than paying for the exact skill.
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Dec 26, 2019 21:35:29 GMT -5
Agreed.
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Post by Browncoats4ever on Dec 26, 2019 21:40:09 GMT -5
I usually just roll random skills and I get a skill in 1-3 rolls, but with my Phantom when I promoted Olga to Captain it cost about 1200Au before I just gave up and spent the 1000Au. I just kept rolling the same crappy skills. All the Module-related skills make me want to punch someone. I just wanted Road Hog but it wouldn't come up. I imagine at lower levels when there's a greater amount of worthwhile skills, it's easier. At least it has been for me. She's up for promotion again. It'll be a while before I have the Au to promote her to Major. I'm not sure whether I'll go random or just choose the skill I want.
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Post by Jeb on Dec 26, 2019 21:55:39 GMT -5
I mean, you guys do what you want, but I'd rather drop 1000Au on a sure thing and then move on than spin & hope I hit before I don't have enough gold to try anymore.
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Post by Koalabear on Dec 26, 2019 22:34:56 GMT -5
I've gotten lucky with the random rolls, but if there's a specific skill I really really really really want, I'll just spend the 1k. I believe that the pilot skill chooser has an algorithm that makes the most desired skilled for a particular bot build harder to get. No proof...just my observation on how hard it was to get Armor Expert for my Falcons but kept getting Traditionalist.
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Post by The VVatcher on Dec 26, 2019 23:02:45 GMT -5
Bury this thread before they start rigging it so people can start spending for 1k au
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Post by snk on Dec 26, 2019 23:47:14 GMT -5
well, when there is better than 1/20 chance for random roll, i go for random roll. Just example: 2/25, 3/29, 1/19 ---- Random roll 1.25, 1/30 ---- Just pay 1000Au
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Post by NexusBlade on Dec 26, 2019 23:57:28 GMT -5
Depends, When I got Thomas Mindread for my Leech I had enough to promote him straight to major, But not enough to directly select each skill, and managed to get what I needed with a couple random rolls, but I've also had times where I wasted more gold than I would have otherwise.
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Post by brawler on Dec 27, 2019 1:03:32 GMT -5
Sure you may have had troubles. Maybe you paid 1.1k gold instead of 1k when you rolled last so the 1k sounds better but think for a second. If you have to pay more to roll this time, but the last 2 or 3 times you paid only 500-900 gold you are still saving 200-1.4k gold. I paid 1.65k gold for my cossacks ghost from rolling but before that I had 9 total times that I paid under 700 gold for for a skill. All those times I saved at least 2.7k gold so I saved WAY more then I lost even spending near double the cost. So please everyone, do the easy thing. Also selecting a list of skills you want (7 for a maxed pilot so start at 7 for sure) then you have a 7/30 chance to get what you want rather than a 1/30. Even 3 skills makes it a 1/10 rather than 1/30, so make a list. Just my 2 cents, YMMV Once everyone finds out rolling for skills @50 au each is cheaper than 1k au pixonic will so some "rigging."
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Post by Hayyan on Dec 27, 2019 1:14:32 GMT -5
Exactly
It's better spending 50au for random skills than spending 20 times more for a specific skill.
Except in cases where you have a lot of gold or if you're want to really acquire some specific skill.
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Post by mechtout on Dec 27, 2019 1:19:43 GMT -5
I usually roll three times, then try again the next day
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Post by HarvesterOsorrow on Dec 27, 2019 1:21:31 GMT -5
Spend the 1000
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Post by immortal on Dec 27, 2019 1:41:13 GMT -5
It depend on the luck. Take my case, I wanted durability skill for my phantom. I spent more than 1000 AU, but still I didnt get the skill. 1000au not at a time.
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Post by Grumpy Tanker #Official on Dec 27, 2019 3:04:07 GMT -5
Touch wood. I've been lucky, never been over 400 for a skill. Incidentally last skill I got for the Rayker (2500Au), it was the first one given to me. Winning.
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Post by bunnyhoppingrailgun on Dec 27, 2019 3:19:26 GMT -5
i think the odds for individual skills have been adjusted such that it's not a flat 1/26 (or however many skills) per roll anymore
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Post by l》THE MACHINE《l on Dec 27, 2019 4:05:11 GMT -5
... managed to get what I needed with a couple random rolls... I wasted more gold than I would have otherwise. ... more than 1000 AU, but still I didnt get the skill. 1000au not at a time... See you three don't understand entirely. In the cases you talked about (or you just blatently disagreed lol) you said you spent over 1000 before that, but the thing is BEFORE that you spent less than 1000 getting other skills correct? So lets say you spent 500 on the first, 750 on the second, 650 on the third and 1400 on the forth. You spent more than 1000 on the forth however you saved 500 on the first, 250 on the second and 350 on the third. In total you have saved 1100 but lost 400 correct? So technically you saved 700 more gold than you would have if you spent the full 1000 per skill. The stuff you save will most often (if not then always) cover what you lost and more, so in short you are getting better pluses than you are minuses. You can do what you want but it is still better to do random.
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Post by HarvesterOsorrow on Dec 27, 2019 4:31:50 GMT -5
... managed to get what I needed with a couple random rolls... I wasted more gold than I would have otherwise. ... more than 1000 AU, but still I didnt get the skill. 1000au not at a time... See you three don't understand entirely. In the cases you talked about (or you just blatently disagreed lol) you said you spent over 1000 before that, but the thing is BEFORE that you spent less than 1000 getting other skills correct? So lets say you spent 500 on the first, 750 on the second, 650 on the third and 1400 on the forth. You spent more than 1000 on the forth however you saved 500 on the first, 250 on the second and 350 on the third. In total you have saved 1100 but lost 400 correct? So technically you saved 700 more gold than you would have if you spent the full 1000 per skill. The stuff you save will most often (if not then always) cover what you lost and more, so in short you are getting better pluses than you are minuses. You can do what you want but it is still better to do random. Nope. I was on my 5th. Had 4 of what I wanted. Mostly rolled random. To get the 5th there were 25 to choose from and I was spending way more than 1000 to random roll what I wanted for 5th. spend the 1000
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Post by l》THE MACHINE《l on Dec 27, 2019 4:37:33 GMT -5
See you three don't understand entirely. In the cases you talked about (or you just blatently disagreed lol) you said you spent over 1000 before that, but the thing is BEFORE that you spent less than 1000 getting other skills correct? So lets say you spent 500 on the first, 750 on the second, 650 on the third and 1400 on the forth. You spent more than 1000 on the forth however you saved 500 on the first, 250 on the second and 350 on the third. In total you have saved 1100 but lost 400 correct? So technically you saved 700 more gold than you would have if you spent the full 1000 per skill. The stuff you save will most often (if not then always) cover what you lost and more, so in short you are getting better pluses than you are minuses. You can do what you want but it is still better to do random. Nope. I was on my 5th. Had 4 of what I wanted. Mostly rolled random. To get the 5th there were 25 to choose from and I was spending way more than 1000 to random roll what I wanted for 5th. spend the 1000 come on dude listen to what is said. I put up an EXAMPLE, not able to know what actually happened. And by what I said even if you got to 2050 in rolls you STILL end up spending less than you would if you just did the 1000. What I am saying is the amount that you save on the skills you rolled before that (whether or not they are on the same pilot) should almost surely cover the expenses of one string of bad luck.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2019 4:53:10 GMT -5
As someone who likes to place my skills in neat order - we can choose which slot to place the skill into AFTER we roll it, by picking another slot before accepting it.
Also, temporarily accepting an undesired skill we keep re-rolling will guarantee we don't roll it again.
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Post by l》THE MACHINE《l on Dec 27, 2019 5:26:22 GMT -5
As someone who likes to place my skills in neat order - we can choose which slot to place the skill into AFTER we roll it, by picking another slot before accepting it. Also, temporarily accepting an undesired skill we keep re-rolling will guarantee we don't roll it again. however, if you are rolling then that means you already have an undesired skill so you remove one undersired skill but put one back in which means you have the same amount of skills you don't want, meaning that is useless. If you find a skill that you don't want but you can get some use out of (for example: you want roadhog, mechanic and damage skills but you end on armour master) then you should take that skill until you find one you want, this way you won't end with a useless skill if you run out of gold.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2019 5:42:29 GMT -5
As sensible as that may seem in a truly random situation (a randomness which people are not sure about), sometimes people keep rolling the same specific skill over and over and the option is there to be done with it at least, and change the randomness as a result.
It overcomes a lot of theoretical problems.
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Post by RightOn on Dec 27, 2019 5:53:21 GMT -5
Of course, I roll with the intention that I might not get the skill I want but at least I get something good.
Some skills I did pay for like mechanic on Falcon and powerman on Butch.
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Post by immortal on Dec 27, 2019 5:58:58 GMT -5
... managed to get what I needed with a couple random rolls... I wasted more gold than I would have otherwise. ... more than 1000 AU, but still I didnt get the skill. 1000au not at a time... See you three don't understand entirely. In the cases you talked about (or you just blatently disagreed lol) you said you spent over 1000 before that, but the thing is BEFORE that you spent less than 1000 getting other skills correct? So lets say you spent 500 on the first, 750 on the second, 650 on the third and 1400 on the forth. You spent more than 1000 on the forth however you saved 500 on the first, 250 on the second and 350 on the third. In total you have saved 1100 but lost 400 correct? So technically you saved 700 more gold than you would have if you spent the full 1000 per skill. The stuff you save will most often (if not then always) cover what you lost and more, so in short you are getting better pluses than you are minuses. You can do what you want but it is still better to do random. Even i don't want to spend 1000au for a single skill. As i said it's depends on the luck. Even so many times I got the desired skill within 1 or 2 rolls. And few times i bought it by paying 1000au. So its like 50-50.
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Post by cheap on Dec 27, 2019 6:22:05 GMT -5
i roll 3 times if a don't get try tomorrow and if you don't get it by the 11th roll then you weren't meant to have the skill you want.
i don't want to have the -be faster if the red have 3 beacons -or ability recharges if HP dips to certain point -or Heaven forbid if they Make a Pilot that comes with Last Stan if i have these abilities my Pilots are Dead to me......
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Post by Luk on Dec 27, 2019 8:25:03 GMT -5
If there are 2 or more skills that I really want I will spinn but if there is only 1 specific skill left I'll just pay the 1k and be done with it, the peace of mind alone is worth it .
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Post by Wife is Pissed on Dec 27, 2019 9:16:08 GMT -5
Agreed. Even when rolling for a specific skill I've never spent more than 700. That makes one of us.
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Post by Hayyan on Dec 27, 2019 9:28:47 GMT -5
I got these 3 pilot skills by random. It would have been better if they weren't conditional skills. But they make me play Domination more than before. Random rolls aren't that bad, but that's just my opinion.
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Post by Hayyan on Dec 27, 2019 9:33:30 GMT -5
I got these 3 pilot skills by random. It would have been better if they weren't conditional skills. But they make me play Domination more than before. Random rolls aren't that bad, but that's just my opinion. Sorry, having problems sending the screenshot, it's not appearing. I have adamant gunsmith, adamant mechanic and adamant something that gives increased defence points.
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