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Post by ahxish on Dec 23, 2019 19:01:50 GMT -5
Hi pros, need a little advice on tanks...
Which is a better tank?
I saw a Fenrir that i literally can’t kill with my mk 2 lvl 2 gatling gun ao jun... tot that’s cool...
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Post by Phycoshot on Dec 23, 2019 20:30:12 GMT -5
It depends if you want a huge damage sponge, or a tank with less spongyness but a lot more firepower.
Falcon is ridiculously hard to kill, and the fenrir is really dangerous to fight, but one thing to say is the falcon is a lot cheaper than the fenrir.
1 bot and 1 weapons vs. a more expensive bot and 3 weapons.
Also the giftbringer comes with extra health.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 20:34:51 GMT -5
What can I say? I have both.....but currently rolling “normal” Falcon, much more fun.
So, get both.
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Post by NexusBlade on Dec 23, 2019 20:35:37 GMT -5
T Falcon is a better tank, However I love my Leadhose Fenrir, it has significantly more firepower than a T Falcon, while also having TONS of effective HP, If I had to choose I would go Fenrir.
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Post by RightOn on Dec 23, 2019 20:42:51 GMT -5
Fenrir with Wodanson and healing is dangerous. Stacked with armor plates and skills good grief. It has armor and the firepower.
Its only weakness is it can't move quickly out of cover all the time.
I run the regular Falcon and it's more than strong enough. I wouldn't give up the jump for terrain heavy maps and fangs out potshots.
They both need mechanic to get the most out of it
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Post by Beerhog on Dec 23, 2019 20:55:42 GMT -5
I have a Falcon and ran it as a traditionalist and as regular. I no longer run it as a traditionalist. In order for T-falcon to be hard to kill it has to be leveled high with good pilot skills. It may be useful in beacon games but its not in TDM. If you run it in TDM you become everyones favorite punching bag as 1 heavy weapon is really not that big of a deal, and you present opportunity for increased silver payout. Regular falcon has decent hp, and if equipped with 3 avengers you can really shred some things up. I never ran Fenrir, but I’m sure it will be more versatile than a T-falcon.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 21:01:34 GMT -5
My current calculations show a Fenrir still falling 17% short of the T-Falcon's effective armor at max, but it can do many times the damage of a T-Falcon, depending on ranges and weaponry. A Fenrir is not a huge amount more expensive to level than a T-Falcon, and even cheap Punisher T's can be used as your medium weapons. To put it in perspective, my Level 9 Fenrir has always killed every enemy Falcon it's faced, even Level 12 MK2 ones. Another huge and unannounced change in the META is that Fenrir's can now use the silently added module skills like Foolhardy Quartermaster and Dodger, which brings it very close to a T-Falcon's durability now. Survivability should be MUCH higher though, as it can kill off attackers faster. Versus a comparable Glory T-Falcon, an Avenger/Corona/Pulsar Fenrir build might deal around ~ 2x the damage at 50m, ~ 3x the damage at 100m, ~ 4x the damage at 150m - 200m, ~ 5x the damage at 250m - 300m, ~ 6x the damage at 400m, ~ 9x the damage at 500m, and can hit even further than 500m with maybe the combined tickle strength of around 3 Calamities (5 Scourges), with a max range of 600m with lockdown. While a 600m Avenger/Corona/Pulsar wide-arc lockdown setup is currently my most effective battle tested all-purpose multitasking build, a full 500m 2x Punisher T / Avenger setup is cheap to Level 12 MK2. Some more info about why I'm liking my all-purpose Avenger/Corona/Pulsar build: One Corona locks down with a wide arc, letting you hit (and lock down) fast running bots at 500m and small bots that nose-dive you. It gives great burst damage and shotguns T-Falcons well. It reloads as fast as the Pulsar, and can be continuously fired, always leaving you with an active weapon. One Pulsar lets you lock down bots at 600m, and can deal a lot more damage than many Calamities and Scourges at very long range. You can run towards a distant locked enemy and bring your Corona and Avenger against them. It also scares off bots at 600m and discourages other annoying 600m builds. It also reloads in about the same time as your Corona's burst does. One Avenger is cheap to level, is strong at all ranges leading up to 500m, does extra damage against physical shields (Lancelot, Arthur, Bulwark, Tyr), can quickly blow away energy shields leaving reds vulnerable to teammates, and it gives you about 15 seconds of damage before you need to spend 10 seconds reloading it (which you can use to heal / cooldown a repair module). It can be left to reload on your back while in two-weapon Mobile Mode. You can cover teammates with your Aegis during this time. I run mine with max (affordable) armor + Advanced Repair Unit, like a T-Falcon. |
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Post by NexusBlade on Dec 23, 2019 21:21:27 GMT -5
My current calculations show a Fenrir still falling 17% short of the T-Falcon's effective armor at max, but it can do many times the damage of a T-Falcon, depending on ranges and weaponry. A Fenrir is not a huge amount more expensive to level than a T-Falcon, and even cheap Punisher T's can be used as your medium weapons. To put it in perspective, my Level 9 Fenrir has always killed every enemy Falcon it's faced, even Level 12 MK2 ones.Another huge and unannounced change in the META is that Fenrir's can now use the silently added module skills like Foolhardy Quartermaster and Dodger, which brings it very close to a T-Falcon's durability now. Survivability should be MUCH higher though, as it can kill off attackers faster. Versus a comparable Glory T-Falcon, an Avenger/Corona/Pulsar Fenrir build might deal around ~ 2x the damage at 50m, ~ 3x the damage at 100m, ~ 4x the damage at 150m - 200m, ~ 5x the damage at 250m - 300m, ~ 6x the damage at 400m, ~ 9x the damage at 500m, and can hit even further than 500m with maybe the combined tickle strength of around 3 Calamities (5 Scourges), with a max range of 600m with lockdown. While a 600m Avenger/Corona/Pulsar wide-arc lockdown setup is currently my most effective battle tested all-purpose multitasking build, a full 500m 2x Punisher T / Avenger setup is cheap to Level 12 MK2. Some more info about why I'm liking my all-purpose Avenger/Corona/Pulsar build: One Corona locks down with a wide arc, letting you hit (and lock down) fast running bots at 500m and small bots that nose-dive you. It gives great burst damage and shotguns T-Falcons well. It reloads as fast as the Pulsar, and can be continuously fired, always leaving you with an active weapon. One Pulsar lets you lock down bots at 600m, and can deal a lot more damage than many Calamities and Scourges at very long range. You can run towards a distant locked enemy and bring your Corona and Avenger against them. It also scares off bots at 600m and discourages other annoying 600m builds. It also reloads in about the same time as your Corona's burst does. One Avenger is cheap to level, is strong at all ranges leading up to 500m, does extra damage against physical shields (Lancelot, Arthur), can quickly blow away energy shields leaving reds vulnerable to teammates, and it gives you about 15 seconds of damage before you need to spend 10 seconds reloading it (which you can use to heal / cooldown a repair module). It can be left to reload while in two-weapon Mobile Mode. You can cover teammates with your Aegis during this time. Level 12 mk2 Punisher T's and level 12 mk2 Avenger + sharpshooter = dead Falcon, Plus with my level 10 mk1 Fenrir plus 3x Max Armor kits and tough guy I have around 230k hp, 460k in resistance mode, I also have advanced repair unit, Mechanic and Adamant mechanic, so effective HP goes even higher than that. |
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Post by ahxish on Dec 23, 2019 21:21:42 GMT -5
I equip my t fal with normal pilot forsaking the additional dmg from Legendary Pilot. For my fenrir, i equip with leadhose and woodansen.
I think my final deck stands at 1 phantom, 1 storm leech, 1 corona leech, 1 leadhose fenrir, 1 sinister glacier Ao Jun.
All Legendary Pilot...
Or i should focus on 1 area? Ie go for full damaging deck, full tank deck or full bacon running deck? Never been to champ... not sure how champ fights..
I do have 7 leeches though... all with xmas skin....
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Post by NexusBlade on Dec 23, 2019 21:30:17 GMT -5
I equip my t fal with normal pilot forsaking the additional dmg from Legendary Pilot. For my fenrir, i equip with leadhose and woodansen. I think my final deck stands at 1 phantom, 1 storm leech, 1 corona leech, 1 leadhose fenrir, 1 sinister glacier Ao Jun. All Legendary Pilot... Or i should focus on 1 area? Ie go for full damaging deck, full tank deck or full bacon running deck? Never been to champ... not sure how champ fights.. I do have 7 leeches though... all with xmas skin.... Been in champions for a long time so I'll answer. It really comes down to playstyle more than anything, you can effectively run many types of hangers, even non meta ones, depending on how you play them, 5x Leech works of course, but you don't need that to win fights, Currently I'm around 6k cups "haven't had much chance to play the last couple of days" with the following: Spectre Shocktrain, Scourge Halo Ares, Storm Leech, Leadhose Fenrir, and fdb Phantom. A bit of everything pretty much, And I usually come 1st or 2nd in matches with that hanger. |
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Dec 23, 2019 23:03:07 GMT -5
What can I say? I have both.....but currently rolling “normal” Falcon, much more fun. So, get both. I ran both Traditional and Classic. Now 2 Classics. I had a great TFalc pilot and was good with it (Glory 12Mk2). But being the team punching bag gets old after a while. TFalc is meta, CFalc is FUN. |
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Post by josh378 on Dec 24, 2019 1:27:03 GMT -5
Roll Fenrir...You can solo any bot in the game as a Fenrir. The same can't be said as a TFalcon.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2019 3:37:09 GMT -5
Ask yourself this important question: Do I want to feel suicidal every time that I play War Robots?
If you answer a resounding "Yes please", get that T-Falcon immediately. If you answer "Are you crazy? No way!", get a Fenrir and grab a few billion cracks to run the Advanced Healing module.
No beef with people that do run them, but I found T-Falcs absolutely tedious to both run and battle, whereas normal Falcon is a hoot. I'm about to break my one type of bot per hangar rule and run two.
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Post by The VVatcher on Dec 24, 2019 3:47:04 GMT -5
I think T-Falcon’s stock may go down later because of the Titans, specifically Arthur and Ming. And Kid is no slouch with DR mitigation. It’s ok right now but I’ve already had situations where it was futile to get a beacon where a Titan spawns on it and I couldn’t get the beacon in time to win the game. That’s suppose to be Falcon’s thing, a stalwart of a beacon.
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Post by dis on Dec 24, 2019 5:14:13 GMT -5
I ran a T-falcon MK2 12 with a MK2 glory (7) for a bit but found it a boring and not much damage compared to its potential. I now run it normal with 3 lv 10 glaciers, have its pilot at level 60 and its much more fun and interesting to play, yes it dies quicker but who cares when you get to spray people with a hail of freezing rockets and turn them into a ice pop  I am now building a Fenrir as just won its new pilot. If starting from beginning then would go for fenrir 1st. |
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Post by tectonic on Dec 24, 2019 5:56:57 GMT -5
Fenrir all day!  |
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Post by ahxish on Dec 24, 2019 9:47:26 GMT -5
Ask yourself this important question: Do I want to feel suicidal every time that I play War Robots? If you answer a resounding "Yes please", get that T-Falcon immediately. If you answer "Are you crazy? No way!", get a Fenrir and grab a few billion cracks to run the Advanced Healing module. No beef with people that do run them, but I found T-Falcs absolutely tedious to both run and battle, whereas normal Falcon is a hoot. I'm about to break my one type of bot per hangar rule and run two. Spot on. I like the feeling of going in... rush together... either you die or i die... game over in less than 5 mins.... T-Falc gives me the feeling that you can walk in and enjoy the slaughter while you luff it off and to die in 10 secs later after 「grape」 repeated... Sadistic yes... but its gratifying... lol |
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Post by balrog89 on Dec 24, 2019 10:33:27 GMT -5
Hi pros, need a little advice on tanks... Which is a better tank? I saw a Fenrir that i literally can’t kill with my mk 2 lvl 2 gatling gun ao jun... tot that’s cool... I have run both in high Champs. The Fenrir, while able to do more damage, is a bigger powercell user than the T-Fal, but not by much. The T-Fal is also more boring and more single purpose use. Coupled with the Legendary Pilot and with BB and invulnerable raider, the T-Fal is almost unkillable. It was used as a beacon bomb for mid game large maps in BR or as a first drop, suicide bot on small maps. As a beacon bomb, you could soak up damage and keep the beacon until help arrived. As a suicide bot, you just made a beeline to the reds home and caused havoc while your team grabbed the rest of the beacons. Both worked well in coordinated squad play or when you had good blues. With the release of the Titans, both are now early game drops used to spearhead the first push. Neither stand up for long against the Titans so you do not want to drop them once they start spawning. Keeping an Ao Jun around is your best bet for that. Also, the Cryo weapons, since the buff, wrecks both quickly. My advice for a tank in today's meta....get a Phantom. Run advanced heal as your active. A well piloted, well outfitted Phantom can kill either in 1 on 1 situations, but it will take a long time. A Glacier Ao Jun will go through either very quickly as will a Viper Ao Jun. Chatter on my clans discord, as well as results I have seen on the field, makes me think there was a silent buff to the Viper. It really goes through tank bots since the last update. I now run neither bot. They are just not as effective as they once were IMHO and they eat through powercells. |
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I am now building a Fenrir as just won its new pilot.
