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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2019 23:22:37 GMT -5
I started another thread on the hypothesis that Titans aren't selling well since we are getting offers on Pt less than a week after 5.6 hit. To test this, I decided to go through the primary hangars in iOS Legend League and see what was there. This is not something I plan to do regularly. For people that are fairly new to the game, Legend League consists of the "Top 100" players. In reality, it is nothing special. If you have leveled bots/weapons, decent skills, and play a heck of a lot, you too can make it to Legend League. So here is the raw data:  I will have a post below this one for discussing Titans which was my main focus. As for normal bots, Leeches rule at 64% of bots followed by Ao Jun (17%) and Phantom (12%). Ares are a distant 4th at 2%; the Pantheon era is dead at the top. Everything else is 1% or less. For light weapons, Halos rule (87%) and are typically used on Phantoms to immobilize the reds. Storms/Coronas make up the vast majority of the medium slot on the Phantom. For medium weapons, Coronas hold the top spot at 55% followed by the cheaper to upgrade storms at 29%. Scourges are next at 5% and were used on Leeches as longer range bots. For heavy weapons, Avengers were on top at 44% with several other weapons at around 10% each. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2019 23:23:12 GMT -5
Here is the breakdown on Titans and Titan weapons. This first table shows the breakdown of Titan levels. As an example of how to read the table, there are 2 Ao Mings between levels 61 and 75 inclusive while there is 1 Ao Ming between levels 91 and 105 inclusive. There are a total of 24 Ao Mings in Legend League.  Here is a similar table for weapons.  Now to the economics of the thing. The way I calculated Pt spent was to assume that: a) Ao Mings, Arthurs, Cuirassiers, Gendarmes, Ruptures, and Tsars had to be purchased from the store at whatever price was listed for the item b) Kids, Retaliators, and Vengences were free (either as part of the free Kid we got or from purchase of an Ao Ming or Arthur) c) Weapons were upgraded according to pricing given in Manni's one video d) People upgraded bots evenly between the Hull, Core, and Engine. As an example if a bot was level 18 I assumed the hull, core and engine were each level 6 rather than something like the hull was 16 while the core and enginer were both level 1 e) Bot upgrade costs were upgraded according to pricing given in Manni's one video f) People did all their daily tasks to date to get free Pt and they also took advantage of the two initial offers of 20 Pt to upgrade a bot and a weapon. With those assumptions I get the following Pt spent. Assuming that 700 Pt costs $100, I get that Legend League spent a little over $20k on Titans so far. Since some people might not have purchased 700 Pt at a pop, lets say that total Legend League spend falls between $20k and $25k. How does this compare to the Leech roll out?  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2019 23:57:25 GMT -5
Excellent! Thank you! Everything looks to be as expected.
I'm of the opinion a 3 Corona / 1 Pulsar hybrid could maybe make leeches even more devastating.
Bit sad there's no Menders up there, but such is.
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Post by leecher123 on Dec 12, 2019 0:28:43 GMT -5
Huge thx for the analysis man. I love digging into data to extract info and discern pattern. Keep up the great work!
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Dec 12, 2019 1:06:01 GMT -5
Maybe one day I'll get my hangar maxed, spend 4+ hrs/day playing, and suck back Boosters and PCs like Energy Drinks. Then War Robots will see a Hover in LL  |
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Post by linearblade on Dec 12, 2019 1:17:09 GMT -5
Variety. So much more than before! Look at all of it
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 1:27:28 GMT -5
Variety. So much more than before! Look at all of it I'm still working on my numbers but it looks like Legend League spent somewhere around $20k-$25k on Titans + Titan Weapons + Upgrades to Same. I would think there would be a significant falloff as you go down the chain to Champions League 2, CL3, etc. So maybe $100k-200k? Given that a Leech probably cost people around $100 each, we're looking at Titans being the equivalent of 1000-2000 Leeches sold at this point. Still need to confirm numbers so grain of salt, etc. |
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Post by linearblade on Dec 12, 2019 1:33:13 GMT -5
Variety. So much more than before! Look at all of it I'm still working on my numbers but it looks like Legend League spent somewhere around $20k-$25k on Titans + Titan Weapons + Upgrades to Same. I would think there would be a significant falloff as you go down the chain to Champions League 2, CL3, etc. So maybe $100k-200k? Given that a Leech probably cost people around $100 each, we're looking at Titans being the equivalent of 1000-2000 Leeches sold at this point. Still need to confirm numbers so grain of salt, etc. That was my estimation as well. It’s a raging dumpster fire. I checked champ 2 3, and 4 (saw you in 3 btw), didn’t see a lot of Ao mings. Now that my gout has cleared, and my premium is out, and my Lester major upgrade done however, I’ll be packing it up and looking to cruise to lose champ. I’m curious what’s down there |
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Post by brawler on Dec 12, 2019 1:35:42 GMT -5
I started another thread on the hypothesis that Titans aren't selling well since we are getting offers on Pt less than a week after 5.6 hit. To test this, I decided to go through the primary hangars in iOS Legend League and see what was there. This is not something I plan to do regularly. For people that are fairly new to the game, Legend League consists of the "Top 100" players. In reality, it is nothing special. If you have leveled bots/weapons, decent skills, and play a heck of a lot, you too can make it to Legend League. So here is the raw data: I will have a post below this one for discussing Titans which was my main focus. As for normal bots, Leeches rule at 64% of bots followed by Ao Jun (17%) and Phantom (12%). Ares are a distant 4th at 2%; the Pantheon era is dead at the top. Everything else is 1% or less. For light weapons, Halos rule (87%) and are typically used on Phantoms to immobilize the reds. Storms/Coronas make up the vast majority of the medium slot on the Phantom. For medium weapons, Coronas hold the top spot at 55% followed by the cheaper to upgrade storms at 29%. Scourges are next at 5% and were used on Leeches as longer range bots. For heavy weapons, Avengers were on top at 44% with several other weapons at around 10% each. Based on this data alone I can confirm sooner or later avenger will get heavily nerfed and storm slightly nerfed |
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Post by linearblade on Dec 12, 2019 1:36:23 GMT -5
@happyfunball
I estimated about 500/spend average on titans
But 25k is a decent top end guess.
We can assume upgraded kids are free plats only, and 3500 pt does buy a reasonably leveled Ming
There weren’t tons of level 100 Ming that I saw. Most were 20-30 tops
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Post by linearblade on Dec 12, 2019 1:38:39 GMT -5
brawlerThe avenger doesn’t really need a nerf, it just helps when you can fly around with impunity and never break line of site with an Ao Jun. A lot of the heavy weapons were balanced by virtue of their unwieldynsess Ao Jun overcomes all of that
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 1:56:29 GMT -5
Variety. So much more than before! Look at all of it I'm still working on my numbers but it looks like Legend League spent somewhere around $20k-$25k on Titans + Titan Weapons + Upgrades to Same. I would think there would be a significant falloff as you go down the chain to Champions League 2, CL3, etc. So maybe $100k-200k? Given that a Leech probably cost people around $100 each, we're looking at Titans being the equivalent of 1000-2000 Leeches sold at this point. Still need to confirm numbers so grain of salt, etc. I have 5 Leeches and the Legendary skins to match (along with a HEAP of other stuff, including Phantoms, Behemoths, Avengers galore, Coronas, 6 Ares and more) just from a few heavily discounted random chest token / black market key purchases. The original 5 Leech hangers of Legend League were around when Leeches couldn't be bought. But even with 5 in my hanger, I couldn't even afford to properly level a single Leech (and still can't), let alone Level 12 Mk 2 all 5 of them. Parasite (Legendary Leech) skins were a common freebie in the Yan-Di chests. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 2:01:40 GMT -5
I'm still working on my numbers but it looks like Legend League spent somewhere around $20k-$25k on Titans + Titan Weapons + Upgrades to Same. I would think there would be a significant falloff as you go down the chain to Champions League 2, CL3, etc. So maybe $100k-200k? Given that a Leech probably cost people around $100 each, we're looking at Titans being the equivalent of 1000-2000 Leeches sold at this point. Still need to confirm numbers so grain of salt, etc. I have 5 Leeches and the Legendary skins to match (along with a HEAP of other stuff, including Phantoms, Behemoths, Avengers galore, Coronas, 6 Ares and more) just from a few random chest purchases. Fair enough; you did better than me and my 1 Leech. I would like to find some way of comparing the Titan launch to the Leech launch, if possible. Anyone have an idea? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 2:16:24 GMT -5
Fair enough; you did better than me and my 1 Leech. I would like to find some way of comparing the Titan launch to the Leech launch, if possible. Anyone have an idea? Just keep burning money on a good deal (like Yan-Di chests) until you get everything you need. In comparison, Leeches killed the game for me. I was putting a hanger together and finally growing out of being a newbie - into someone who could more confidently live and survive out on the battlefield, and even capture beacons and kill other bots without fear. Then, one day, I would suddenly always lose to a certain weird looking bot. But Titans? My very first titan launch simply keeled over and died to the very same Leech that just killed my previous bot. And it seems Ao Juns can kill huge Ao Ming balloons in one flight. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 2:42:00 GMT -5
Just put in the details on Titans in the second post of this thread. I get Legend League spend at $20-25k on iOS so far.
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Post by Garbage game on Dec 12, 2019 3:13:04 GMT -5
@happyfunball thanks for the data @mods make this guy a Trusted Contributor already... Kinda reminds me of all the work kukurukukuk used to do. Wonder if the state of the game would dishearten him nowadays or if he really just quit before it got really bad. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 3:19:11 GMT -5
Thank you. Such great work.
To re-iterate, I could get 5 Leeches with legendary skins for cheap.
While they were still at Level 1, the Legend League was becoming flooded with 5x Level 12 Mk2 Leech/Phantom hangars, with the occasional Ao Jun or Ares.
Corona / Yan-Di Corona was often the only weapons you'd see on Leech, with Pulsars being shelved.
So, hmm... going by current prices, to go from Level 1 to Level 12 Mk2:
397,400,000 Ag and 68 days 2 hours worth of Au timeskip per Phantom / Leech (or half as much for Lv12Mk1) plus 500 Au for the Mk2 upgrade.
341,400,000 Ag and 60 days 22 hours worth of Au timeskip per Corona (or half as much for Lv12Mk1) plus 500 Au for the Mk2 upgrade.
271,400,000 Ag and 39 days 16 hours worth of Au timeskip per Halo (or half as much for Lv12Mk1) plus 500 Au for the Mk2 upgrade.
Halos cost 5,000 Au each. Corona aren't purchaseable with Au.
*thinks*
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Post by RightOn on Dec 12, 2019 3:20:51 GMT -5
Not a single Rayker in LL, they're pretty 「really happy」  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 3:41:36 GMT -5
So, once I got my hands on a 5 Leech / 20 Corona setup, raising them all to Level 12 Mk2 might cost me around:
8,815,000,000 (8 billion, 815 million) Ag, 12,500 Au, and around 4 years, 98 days, 18 hours worth of Au timeskip.
Might be able to get a good hangar done for only $7,600 AUD maybe? What with all these 82% off silver deals...
And then I'd need max Last Stand / Anticontrols. Thankfully I'm mostly good on Pilots.
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Post by linearblade on Dec 12, 2019 4:15:35 GMT -5
Here is the breakdown on Titans and Titan weapons. This first table shows the breakdown of Titan levels. As an example of how to read the table, there are 2 Ao Mings between levels 61 and 75 inclusive while there is 1 Ao Ming between levels 91 and 105 inclusive. There are a total of 24 Ao Mings in Legend League. Here is a similar table for weapons. Now to the economics of the thing. The way I calculated Pt spent was to assume that: a) Ao Mings, Arthurs, Cuirassiers, Gendarmes, Ruptures, and Tsars had to be purchased from the store at whatever price was listed for the item b) Kids, Retaliators, and Vengences were free (either as part of the free Kid we got or from purchase of an Ao Ming or Arthur) c) Weapons were upgraded according to pricing given in Manni's one video d) People upgraded bots evenly between the Hull, Core, and Engine. As an example if a bot was level 18 I assumed the hull, core and engine were each level 6 rather than something like the hull was 16 while the core and enginer were both level 1 e) Bot upgrade costs were upgraded according to pricing given in Manni's one video f) People did all their daily tasks to date to get free Pt and they also took advantage of the two initial offers of 20 Pt to upgrade a bot and a weapon. With those assumptions I get the following Pt spent. Assuming that 700 Pt costs $100, I get that Legend League spent a little over $20k on Titans so far. Since some people might not have purchased 700 Pt at a pop, lets say that total Legend League spend falls between $20k and $25k. How does this compare to the Leech roll out? Nice. My napkin math came pretty close About 750/ bot. I estimated 500 |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 6:37:12 GMT -5
Well, I finally managed to get up to 16 Coronas with the help of some discounted Black Market keys. Almost on my 6th Leech. Could equip each one with 3 Corona and 1 Pulsar for a fuller long range damage curve + 600m lockdown.
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Dec 12, 2019 10:00:27 GMT -5
"… This is not something I plan to do regularly. "
Ummm, why not? Aren't you a team player? j/k LOL!
Awesome post! I'm surprised by some of the numbers. I may have to tweak my loadouts a little since the herd disagrees with my choices.
When some other glutton for punishment does this analysis 6 months from now it'll be interesting to see where the Titans are. I suspect they are going to creep up in quality, but mega-whales will be mega-whales...
Thanks again for a very useful and interesting post. One of the BEST for 2019!!!
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Post by Racerx7394 on Dec 12, 2019 10:00:29 GMT -5
@happyfunball Thank you for the great analysis again! It's always insightful. This shows there is a fair amount of players that spend good money on the game whenever there's something new. I am in Champions League and run into these guys and the titans aren't worth the money at this time. Pix will make them overpowered soon to sell plat. We all know that's how they work.
The money spent on Leeches should be higher than Titans. Look at the money that was spent leveling each Leech to MK2. There are many MK2 12 Leeches with Level 70 pilots. Getting 1 Leech and Coronas to MK2 12 is 1.7B silver. If they bought the $100 for 200M silver, that's just under $900 per bot. That 5 Leech hangar is almost 9B in silver with $100 per 200M silver, that's just under $4,400, not including the money needed for gold rushes. If you averaged, 1.5M silver per match, that 5 Leech hangar is 5,858 matches. The cost of the bots and weapons isn't significant compared to the upgrades when going to MK2 12.
They were generous with new gear in the last event so I can understand how there are so many Leeches and Phantoms. It's the real money needed to upgrade them that is hard to comprehend. In the last event, I bought 3 $100 deals when they were around 60 spins each. I got something like 4.5 Leeches and 6-7 Phantoms, and a lot of freeze weapons. I had bought those deals in prior events and never made out like that. Not 1 Leech legendary pilot. The people that have several of those pilots had to spend big money to get them. I can't upgrade all that and not going to spend thousands on silver. Not spending on tokens this time or plat for a while. They probably have 20 new Titans coming any week that are better.
It still surprises me how much money people spend on this game. As frustrating as it is getting rolled over by MK2 Leeches, those players help keep the game alive.
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Post by brawler on Dec 12, 2019 10:15:59 GMT -5
brawlerThe avenger doesn’t really need a nerf, it just helps when you can fly around with impunity and never break line of site with an Ao Jun. A lot of the heavy weapons were balanced by virtue of their unwieldynsess Ao Jun overcomes all of that It needs a slight nerf eith sharpshooter it outclasses most components weapons while also being cheap to level. Pixonic will heavily nerf it they just cant have a cheap weapon that is very strong |
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Dec 12, 2019 10:25:21 GMT -5
"… Not 1 Leech legendary pilot. The people that have several of those pilots had to spend big money to get them. "
Me neither! Until this week. A few days ago, I had a Thomas Mindread spontaneously pop-up in my available pilots to purchase, and this morning I spent around, ugh, 400-500au in pilot refreshes and he popped up again. Not something I normally do. Musta been the coffee talking. FYI, I think only 2 LPs came up in those spins, a Linda Cano (Fenrir) and a Thomas Mindread. So, maybe they tweaked-up the payout possibility on Mr. Mindread.
I just thought I would pass along the intel for you. Good luck.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 10:26:32 GMT -5
Not a single Rayker in LL, they're pretty ?really happy? Somehow I missed counting 6 regular bots, but I don't think a Rayker was in there. |
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Post by Ⓑⓞⓑ Ⓓⓨⓛⓐⓝ on Dec 12, 2019 10:28:07 GMT -5
I'm going to crosspost this to reddit if that's ok with you @happyfunball ?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 13:00:54 GMT -5
Pix always mentions variety when justifying a rebalance.
I will let u decide how genuine those assertions are.
Great post, btw.
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Dec 12, 2019 13:17:08 GMT -5
Variety. So much more than before! Look at all of it I'm still working on my numbers but it looks like Legend League spent somewhere around $20k-$25k on Titans + Titan Weapons + Upgrades to Same. I would think there would be a significant falloff as you go down the chain to Champions League 2, CL3, etc. So maybe $100k-200k? Given that a Leech probably cost people around $100 each, we're looking at Titans being the equivalent of 1000-2000 Leeches sold at this point. Still need to confirm numbers so grain of salt, etc. But the Titan spending estimate includes upgrade costs. Considering all the insta-upgrade costs, aren't Leeches more like $300-400 each? I'm assuming that most had weapons leveled up already. Edit - And Pilots, forgot about pilots. Anyway, already covered by Racerx7394 above. |
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Post by Grrrega on Dec 12, 2019 13:19:42 GMT -5
The rebalance refers to rebalancing their bank account.
Thanks to the OP for the work you put in this!
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