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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Dec 10, 2019 13:03:14 GMT -5
Technically Titans have God bot abilities. Problem is will take a F2p years. And p2w $4500. They screwed themselves. Short version - Even huge spending on Titans doesn’t get you nearly the same marginal benefit (as a multi-Leech investment) AND they are boring AF to play. Pix is just testing the limits of whale spending. That vid going around clearly stated that there should be no ceiling on how much a whale can spend. $Thousands can be spent now and Pix hasn’t even touched the 3-pilot, Uber-premium modules, 100 PC active modules, etc. that are destined to be part of the Titan mix. I see these easily becoming $10k bots if Pix goes that way. The problem with Titans and that no-limit formula is that there is no real value in the Titan. A Phantom/Leech hanger can be assembled for what, a few hundred $? And for that hundreds of RM spending, you get a corporate-sponsored cheat hanger of god bots and mop the floor vs 90% of your opponents. Also, they are both engaging and fast to play.
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Post by milty72 on Dec 10, 2019 13:15:38 GMT -5
It's only unplayable when there is an abundance of god bots. Three or four and it's ok. Problem is Champions League is from what I understand overflowing with them. In E1 I’m still running into red teams with two or three Ao Jun in play *at any given moment* - the whole match. That’s not okay. Maybe since I've dropped over the last few months from M1 to E1 I have been conditioned to playing against more and find it doable and a challenge none the less. But I don't mind a challenge.
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Post by reconnecting on Dec 10, 2019 13:21:25 GMT -5
It's only unplayable when there is an abundance of god bots. Three or four and it's ok. Problem is Champions League is from what I understand overflowing with them. Yes, the real titans should be the god bots. Would be a much better fix. Problem is nobody wants to play with slower bots. That’s easy to fix by making the min speed 50, Then you can put whatever you want into the god bot slot, and power creep be mostly damned Just give them three dashes and an oversized ECU! :-D
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Post by Koko Bop on Dec 10, 2019 13:46:42 GMT -5
In E1 I’m still running into red teams with two or three Ao Jun in play *at any given moment* - the whole match. That’s not okay. Maybe since I've dropped over the last few months from M1 to E1 I have been conditioned to playing against more and find it doable and a challenge none the less. But I don't mind a challenge. Not entirely sure I read you, but it’s not the competition, and I love a good challenge - but uphill, backwards, and in heels isn’t really why I play the game, and it’s not really how I want to play every match. Of course, if I had a couple of AJs and a leech or two, my perspective might be different, but mostly I try not to lose a bot before I can do something with it: damage, beacons, that sort of thing - and those non-stop flying flamethrowers make many short games. And as always, my skills can improve
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Dec 10, 2019 14:36:36 GMT -5
Maybe since I've dropped over the last few months from M1 to E1 I have been conditioned to playing against more and find it doable and a challenge none the less. But I don't mind a challenge. Not entirely sure I read you, but itâs not the competition, and I love a good challenge - but uphill, backwards, and in heels isnât really why I play the game, and itâs not really how I want to play every match. Of course, if I had a couple of AJs and a leech or two, my perspective might be different, but mostly I try not to lose a bot before I can do something with it: damage, beacons, that sort of thing - and those non-stop flying flamethrowers make many short games. And as always, my skills can improve Some thoughts on this... forgive me if I rehash anything you already know... but I'm in a wordy mood so figured I'd post just in case it helps... lol.
I have an Ao Jun, and actually use it for what it's meant for when I play that hangar. It is definitely a good bot and can allow you to overcome most opposition... even at lower levels (mine is 8 with 2 level 10 'Deemers). But it's definitely easy to kill if the pilots make mistakes and don't use their ability correctly (like I do often enough lol).
But the Leech I have... well... I hate it. I leveled it to about 6 and then threw the 3x Pulsars (8-9) I was using on my AG on it, with my one Eagle Hussar (8), and just play long maps on TDM with it. It's fun when it's not being the little cheat bot that it is... and can die easily. But I just don't have the desire to level it further and run it as the brawler it is meant to be. It's sorta boring like that... and can too easily take lesser bots, which means most bots.
What I am getting at, is that most of the time when a player I have seen is just dominating in either of those bots, it's when they are not only highly leveled, but using Phase Shift like breath mints at a coffee convention. If they don't have that module, they can be killed with simple ability timing... if not... well it becomes the 「dookie」-show that so many complain about. Especially with Last Stand added to the equation.
For me it's become more of a support game when I am thrown in with those types of players on the Red side. I try my damnedest to find a Blue to shadow and help protect/support their attacks, and it has helped mitigate the advantages that those bots inherently have when they are running all the "stay alive after they shoulda been pushing daisies" mods. I am not saying that they are easy, but that using the buddy system worked for me. I face mostly Mk1 12 and up leveled hangars with mostly 8-10 gear with a couple of exceptions (2 x Avengers Mk2 level 2 or so, and one Ember about the same) but can still make a dent in the damage. I don't place first all the time, but I don't get steam rolled, either. In fact, except for very lately, I have been using a hangar with mostly low level everything and still placing middle of the pack.
Oh... And get good at corner shooting, and never stop looking around at what's about to be headed your way! If you can keep from being surprised when that Ao Jun takes off 400m away and makes a bee line for you, you can try to either avoid them or use cover like a madman/madwoman.
I do wish that our competition was still hangar based since the rare game where we all are similarly leveled and geared are GREAT... but that's a dead and buried horse and I have put my truncheon away.
IMO, YMMV
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Post by linearblade on Dec 10, 2019 14:37:53 GMT -5
Technically Titans have God bot abilities. Problem is will take a F2p years. And p2w $4500. They screwed themselves. Short version - Even huge spending on Titans doesnât get you nearly the same marginal benefit (as a multi-Leech investment) AND they are boring AF to play. Pix is just testing the limits of whale spending. That vid going around clearly stated that there should be no ceiling on how much a whale can spend. $Thousands can be spent now and Pix hasnât even touched the 3-pilot, Uber-premium modules, 100 PC active modules, etc. that are destined to be part of the Titan mix. I see these easily becoming $10k bots if Pix goes that way. The problem with Titans and that no-limit formula is that there is no real value in the Titan. A Phantom/Leech hanger can be assembled for what, a few hundred $? And for that hundreds of RM spending, you get a corporate-sponsored cheat hanger of god bots and mop the floor vs 90% of your opponents. Â Also, they are both engaging and fast to play. Mileage obviously varies, but I like titans. I think optimal speed for user engagement is 50-60. Too much difference on the god bots makes for frustration, not engagement Also, I donât like binary abilities. They are very you win or you die. Mostly win. This type of ability is why the game is tanking. Itâs not very fun bouncing shots off of two ares trains, itâs not engaging for two leeches 「go solo」ing, and itâs certainky not fair or engaging for everyone else, who is essentially barred from playing Finally, other bots cost the same or more as leeches (they were cheaper than 100) These bots should have the same level of power. But they do not. Itâs one thing for silver bots to be less powerful, itâs a whole other thing for other premium bots to be totally weaker. And thus my main bone with pixonic. Itâs not the price, itâs the vetting level of support one gets. God bots have fun at the expense of others, even if equal money was spent. Further aggrevating the problem, pilot and silver. People must obviously pay money for these. A 70 pilot attached to a destrier has a much closer cost to an ares, then a level 1 With this is mind, itâs quite frustrating. And thatâs why I am adamant about game balance. These features cost money to acquire. As such, they should be balanced, or at the very least, much cheaper to level. They arenât tho.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 14:44:58 GMT -5
Maybe since I've dropped over the last few months from M1 to E1 I have been conditioned to playing against more and find it doable and a challenge none the less. But I don't mind a challenge. Not entirely sure I read you, but itâ??s not the competition, and I love a good challenge - but uphill, backwards, and in heels isnâ??t really why I play the game, and itâ??s not really how I want to play every match. Of course, if I had a couple of AJs and a leech or two, my perspective might be different, but mostly I try not to lose a bot before I can do something with it: damage, beacons, that sort of thing - and those non-stop flying flamethrowers make many short games. And as always, my skills can improve I believe all of us should take a moment and ponder this post....the Pix way, realizing the ?dookie? is way deep but ”my perspective might be different â if meta x, y, and or z was in my possession.. This is what Pix does, in a nutshell. Just when the have nots are sick and tired of being sick and tired, bam! New meta content becomes available to everyone, so perspectives change as Joe blow gets his x, y or z bot/weapon(s).
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Post by Koko Bop on Dec 10, 2019 15:02:35 GMT -5
Not entirely sure I read you, but itâ??s not the competition, and I love a good challenge - but uphill, backwards, and in heels isnâ??t really why I play the game, and itâ??s not really how I want to play every match. Of course, if I had a couple of AJs and a leech or two, my perspective might be different, but mostly I try not to lose a bot before I can do something with it: damage, beacons, that sort of thing - and those non-stop flying flamethrowers make many short games. And as always, my skills can improve Some thoughts on this... forgive me if I rehash anything you already know... but I'm in a wordy mood so figured I'd post just in case it helps... lol.
I have an Ao Jun, and actually use it for what it's meant for when I play that hangar. It is definitely a good bot and can allow you to overcome most opposition... even at lower levels (mine is 8 with 2 level 10 'Deemers). But it's definitely easy to kill if the pilots make mistakes and don't use their ability correctly (like I do often enough lol).
But the Leech I have... well... I hate it. I leveled it to about 6 and then threw the 3x Pulsars (8-9) I was using on my AG on it, with my one Eagle Hussar (8), and just play long maps on TDM with it. It's fun when it's not being the little cheat bot that it is... and can die easily. But I just don't have the desire to level it further and run it as the brawler it is meant to be. It's sorta boring like that... and can too easily take lesser bots, which means most bots.
What I am getting at, is that most of the time when a player I have seen is just dominating in either of those bots, it's when they are not only highly leveled, but using Phase Shift like breath mints at a coffee convention. If they don't have that module, they can be killed with simple ability timing... if not... well it becomes the ?dookie?-show that so many complain about. Especially with Last Stand added to the equation. For me it's become more of a support game when I am thrown in with those types of players on the Red side. I try my damnedest to find a Blue to shadow and help protect/support their attacks, and it has helped mitigate the advantages that those bots inherently have when they are running all the "stay alive after they shoulda been pushing daisies" mods. I am not saying that they are easy, but that using the buddy system worked for me. I face mostly Mk1 12 and up leveled hangars with mostly 8-10 gear with a couple of exceptions (2 x Avengers Mk2 level 2 or so, and one Ember about the same) but can still make a dent in the damage. I don't place first all the time, but I don't get steam rolled, either. In fact, except for very lately, I have been using a hangar with mostly low level everything and still placing middle of the pack.
Oh... And get good at corner shooting, and never stop looking around at what's about to be headed your way! If you can keep from being surprised when that Ao Jun takes off 400m away and makes a bee line for you, you can try to either avoid them or use cover like a madman/madwoman. I do wish that our competition was still hangar based since the rare game where we all are similarly leveled and geared are GREAT... but that's a dead and buried horse and I have put my truncheon away.
IMO, YMMV
Appreciate the comments, sir, som real good advice in there. I think what I’m saying is that the Ao Jun has an unparalleled speed on the battlefield, and coupled with stealth, two heavy weapons *and* flame they are overpowered in any confrontation with a lesser bot. Except on the ground, and I’ve keeled many that way; my Quantum Radar rarely lasts long enough for me take one down in flight. Ao Jun here and there are just another ‘feature’; I was specifically referring to the Ao Jun equivalent of the Ares train, where you fight one til it drops, then the one next to it rises up and kills you, and when you respawn to keep the beacon, a third keeps you toasted while the first comes back up to finish it. 20 seconds, two bots down. Haven’t found a counter to that yet.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 15:35:48 GMT -5
Pixonic looked at test server data, and said. Uh ?whiskey tango foxtrot? Knows; The current meta bots are overpowered (see that pixonic video floating around harping about selling power) Knows robots without god button cannot compete. At all (stealth, purple shield, leech tether, etc) Fury firepower or greater + god button breaks stuff. Titan without fury strength or higher would be a joke Titan with fury power and god button would probably be equally bad for meta and legacy bots. Possibly worse for meta since they donâ??t have health bars. Decides: Letâ??s just release under powered titans live and see what happens. See if we can get good metrics to balance them later. Charge a ton of money, since titans will inevitably be buffed. Gamble now on future prospects of the bot / gear you buy (it will be buffed, question is how much) In other words: pulling ?dookied? out of their ?bum-bum? like a monkey throwing poo Yup, it’s a been a real problem since they jumped from power creep to CheatBots w. Godmode. Now, unless they roll back the Cheats, I don’t think this game can be fun again. How do you power creep Godmode? Double Godmode? New Godmode that ONLY penetrates old Godmode? I can't see them getting the geneie back in the bottle, although I'll admit that I didn't think that they would get the Spectre into balance and I was wrong about that. All that it took was nerfing the stealth duration, health, footspeed and every weapon that it was likely to use. When the Jun gets the treatment next, I guess that we can expect the Avenger to get the treatment at the same time, collateral damage be damned. It'll make it easier to pull the plug if I have to shelve my Triple Avenger Falcon though, silver linings and all that!
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Post by josh378 on Dec 10, 2019 15:52:33 GMT -5
I think the next level is assist droids. You can attach a Droid that floats next to you in battle and they can assist in either damage, heal or increase defense.
I just can't see any other Bots that can be worse than a leech.
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Post by Omicron01 on Dec 10, 2019 16:03:21 GMT -5
I think the next level is assist droids. You can attach a Droid that floats next to you in battle and they can assist in either damage, heal or increase defense. I just can't see any other Bots that can be worse than a leech. A robot with Phase Shift built into it as an ability but it can shoot while in Phased mode.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 16:09:49 GMT -5
I think the next level is assist droids. You can attach a Droid that floats next to you in battle and they can assist in either damage, heal or increase defense. I just can't see any other Bots that can be worse than a leech. A robot with Phase Shift built into it as an ability but it can shoot while in Phased mode. ... with three or four heavy weapons.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 16:11:35 GMT -5
I think the next level is assist droids. You can attach a Droid that floats next to you in battle and they can assist in either damage, heal or increase defense. I just can't see any other Bots that can be worse than a leech. What about a Titan, say, Fenrir that has 600k+ HP, Ageis, Self heal, pilot/skills, Last Stand, AC, PS, the works.....I think that would be worse than a Leech.....maybe I’m right in a previous post and the Super Leech will come, called the Tornado.....a bot that really sucks hard! Leech is lightweight compared to the coked out minds of Pix!
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Post by josh378 on Dec 10, 2019 16:23:18 GMT -5
I think the next level is assist droids. You can attach a Droid that floats next to you in battle and they can assist in either damage, heal or increase defense. I just can't see any other Bots that can be worse than a leech. A robot with Phase Shift built into it as an ability but it can shoot while in Phased mode. Hey you know Pixonic does visit the form from time to time. Don't give him any ideas for the next Bots. If a bot like that ever gets released I'm probably going to quit the game.
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Post by T34 on Dec 10, 2019 16:49:13 GMT -5
Long way to go with Titans I reckon. Pix has so many ways to buff em. Say for example a passive titan module to give it 30% DR along with a super heal. Good luck with killing it under those circumstances. Bling makes the current meta bots OP. Ares was the last bot that was OP out of the box.
I think this was a soft intro but the main impact wasn’t the bot but the silver nerf. No one saw that coming and we were focused on the actual capability of the bots (and still are)
We would have to be naive to think that Pix hasnt got a well worked out strategy. We just dont know what that is.
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Post by Koko Bop on Dec 10, 2019 18:07:48 GMT -5
Having cranking on how I don’t feel like playing anymore...I went and played awhile and just decided to not drop Tit and played as if all I had to do was not get hit by them. Piece of cake. Damage avg is over 800k - a career high, and Ag is up: last payout my Ag was more than my damage. So, feeling mollified.
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Post by milty72 on Dec 11, 2019 3:47:31 GMT -5
Having cranking on how I don’t feel like playing anymore...I went and played awhile and just decided to not drop Tit and played as if all I had to do was not get hit by them. Piece of cake. Damage avg is over 800k - a career high, and Ag is up: last payout my Ag was more than my damage. So, feeling mollified. You have your good games and you have your bad games. Pix has a big say in that and it is out of our control. It's about playing the game within Pix's construct and finding your fun. What I was trying to say before ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 pretty much nailed and I'll elaborate, was playing up higher it was more common to have games that were way over saturated with god bots. And it wasn't much fun. Playing higher with mainly under-powered bots made me a little more seasoned at dealing with god bots so that when I play now in a lower leave Expert 1 I get more games with less god bots and I don't find them to be as much of an issue because it's more 1v1. I find my fun by playing generally underpowered hangars with a mixture of whatever. Like a L5 Ao Jun with Kang Daes. Everything has a weakness and everything has a counter. Leaches just plain suck though. I'm still working them out and there is my challenge, dealing with any new meta.
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Post by foxypotato on Dec 11, 2019 4:31:41 GMT -5
All I know is I can drop Kids ez, took down 3 twice....and, a few days after promoting to M2, I’m closing in on M1. I am close to 1M damage per battle, which is just wrong for a L9 hangar, and I have moved my Titan to Hangar2 with the placeholders. As a PSA, this is a Titan killer..... Titans do not like being frozen, not even a little! lol That damage per match sounds about right and a little on the low side if I am honest I'm at 5003 cups with 850k average damage with silver bots with silver weapons. Most matches have me at 1.2 million 'damage'. Level 9 bots from 4 metas ago is Champions League material these days. I'll see you in Champions League post iOS merger. I'll shoot Thunders, Punishers and Tulumbas at you measer dad.
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Post by milty72 on Dec 11, 2019 7:02:17 GMT -5
I’m M2 iOS, and I eat Titans up....too ez However I have not seen one in double digit level, yet Mine just reached L10. I went 5 Armour, 1 Core, 4 speed. I'm going to go speed and get that Kid moving like it's got ADHD without Ritalin.
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Post by Koko Bop on Dec 11, 2019 13:42:57 GMT -5
Having cranking on how I don’t feel like playing anymore...I went and played awhile and just decided to not drop Tit and played as if all I had to do was not get hit by them. Piece of cake. Damage avg is over 800k - a career high, and Ag is up: last payout my Ag was more than my damage. So, feeling mollified. You have your good games and you have your bad games. Pix has a big say in that and it is out of our control. It's about playing the game within Pix's construct and finding your fun. What I was trying to say before ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 pretty much nailed and I'll elaborate, was playing up higher it was more common to have games that were way over saturated with god bots. And it wasn't much fun. Playing higher with mainly under-powered bots made me a little more seasoned at dealing with god bots so that when I play now in a lower leave Expert 1 I get more games with less god bots and I don't find them to be as much of an issue because it's more 1v1. I find my fun by playing generally underpowered hangars with a mixture of whatever. Like a L5 Ao Jun with Kang Daes. Everything has a weakness and everything has a counter. Leaches just plain suck though. I'm still working them out and there is my challenge, dealing with any new meta. Since drifting down into E1 I’ve certainly had fewer of those overwrought matches, but they’re not gone (didn’t expect them to be). And yes, there are tides and waves to the gameplay - sometimes, you’re just in sync with the wrong crowd.... I still consider myself a largely remedial player: I still have a tendency to just waltz in blasting...which rarely pays off, but there are other ways of being audacious. I still focus on skills a lot, and I’m learning: ignoring the Titan game has let me shift my focus, and I think I’m much more focused and productive on the field these days. Lately, I’ve been playing my old front-line hangar, which has definitely helped my earnings, but it’s not as fun as the line-up I played while getting here. I’m using my earnings to pump up that crew, it’s more fun to play, just - fragile. With the Titans, I just head the other way when they drop, I circle around and shoot the crowd they draw. Good times. I recommend it for any like me who want more Ag.
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