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Post by hkang on Nov 14, 2019 0:34:09 GMT -5
Pixo had attempted to nerf avenger, but somehow they decided to postpone it. As for the storm, I've read through some threads about the storm nerf forecast, which we noticed as there was a huge discount in this weapon's price. I really hope they don't nerf those weapons drastically like orkan or gust, cuz I'm planning to build avenger/storm setup for my fenrir.
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Post by Robotor Affan on Nov 14, 2019 0:51:20 GMT -5
storm is next.
remember they nerf thunder and then gust?
Pix will say, medium shortgun shouldn't have damage more than its heavy counterpart. Nerf!
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Post by 乃ㄥ卂乙 on Nov 14, 2019 0:53:10 GMT -5
I also hope those won't be nerfed...
Storms probably won't be, because everyone is using corona anyway, but avenger on the other hand, well, for a gun thats easy to get and cheap and fast to upgrade, and still in a wide use... i guess pixo must do something to correct it lol
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Post by maverick on Nov 14, 2019 0:58:55 GMT -5
The 「fluffernutter」ers nerfed the hell outta my beloved SpOrkans I spent lots of time, AG and AU getting them right up there.
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Post by foxypotato on Nov 14, 2019 1:08:35 GMT -5
Why nerf the Storm? They gave them away for the longest time and then buffed them multiple times because we all told then that they were worthless. They are Au weapons now. You would think they would want to encourage Au sales.
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Post by Robotor Affan on Nov 14, 2019 1:12:57 GMT -5
Why nerf the Storm? They gave them away for the longest time and then buffed them multiple times because we all told then that they were worthless. They are Au weapons now. You would think they would want to encourage Au sales. Orkan is an Au weapon as well. But they still nerf them. No Au bots or weapons should do better than component stuffs. |
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Post by foxypotato on Nov 14, 2019 1:25:51 GMT -5
Why nerf the Storm? They gave them away for the longest time and then buffed them multiple times because we all told then that they were worthless. They are Au weapons now. You would think they would want to encourage Au sales. Orkan is an Au weapon as well. But they still nerf them. No Au bots or weapons should do better than component stuffs. Orkans were always an Au weapons and were the dominant weapon in the game. Storms only recently became good. They were awful for a long time as componet weapons. It is also easier to build a componet weapon in the WS for free with Ag than it is to aquire the Au f2p to buy some Au weapons. There shouldn't be Au and componet weapons honestly. Everything should be in the WS and Au only used as a convenience currency. A "buy now for X Au or wait a whole bunch" some componet weapons and bots do have a Au price but some do not. It's bizarre. The only time I see them nerfing the Storm is if they make it an Ag weapon but even then when they have made former Au bots into Ag bots the bots did not receive a nerf. Pix also only nerfs the OP items. Despite their intentions they have been bringing OP items back into balance. They have just been releasing yet another broken OP item at the same time so the balanced created within the meta is only temporary until the new OP item proliferates. The only balancing nerf exception was the Pinta nerf. That one made no sense. They could have buffed it to be a proper light Orkan but instead nerfed it alongside the initial Orkan nerf. |
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Post by linearblade on Nov 14, 2019 2:17:42 GMT -5
As a storm user myself, I can say they are ridiculously overpowered when usable with god mode bots.
Even in a Lancelot they are insane.
I welcome a balance nerf.
The real problem as usual are 4 slot god bots. But realistically do we expect that to change? Not bloody likely , so we are back to the argument about guns killing people or people killing people.
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Post by babypoppy on Nov 14, 2019 5:18:14 GMT -5
As a storm user myself, I can say they are ridiculously overpowered when usable with god mode bots. Even in a Lancelot they are insane. I welcome a balance nerf. The real problem as usual are 4 slot god bots. But realistically do we expect that to change? Not bloody likely , so we are back to the argument about guns killing people or people killing people. What, like the Drainer, Sucker or whatever that latest bot is called? |
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Post by linearblade on Nov 14, 2019 5:25:55 GMT -5
As a storm user myself, I can say they are ridiculously overpowered when usable with god mode bots. Even in a Lancelot they are insane. I welcome a balance nerf. The real problem as usual are 4 slot god bots. But realistically do we expect that to change? Not bloody likely , so we are back to the argument about guns killing people or people killing people. What, like the Drainer, Sucker or whatever that latest bot is called? Ares, spectre, leech etc. |
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Post by pewpewninja on Nov 14, 2019 7:53:17 GMT -5
Storms only recently become good because of sharpshooter skill. Even then you need to get within 200 m for them to do their magic.
In todays meta it only works on some bots that can close in and kill something quick then get out.
Most times its better to have coronas. Just maintain your distance and storms cant get close. And coronas will eat storms in 250-350 m range.
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Post by Koalabear on Nov 14, 2019 7:53:37 GMT -5
Well, I hope we find out soon what the decision will be. I just finished my Leech and my choice of build are: Scourge, Storm, Corona and Taran. I have 4 Scourges and 4 Tarans ready to go, but if I go Corona, I have to take them off my Mender and Phantom. If I go Storm, I have a bit of leveling to do to bring them all to L9. I won't waste silver upgrading my Storms if there's a nerf on the horizon.
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Post by pewpewninja on Nov 14, 2019 7:57:19 GMT -5
Well, I hope we find out soon what the decision will be. I just finished my Leech and my choice of build are: Scourge, Storm, Corona and Taran. I have 4 Scourges and 4 Tarans ready to go, but if I go Corona, I have to take them off my Mender and Phantom. If I go Storm, I have a bit of leveling to do to bring them all to L9. I won't waste silver upgrading my Storms if there's a nerf on the horizon. If you miss the memo, skip all of those weapons and go straight to 3 igniters and add a cyro/corona. You keep all the damage and you can catch them for the kill. And theyre safe from nerfs anytime soon. |
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Post by linearblade on Nov 14, 2019 7:58:57 GMT -5
Well, I hope we find out soon what the decision will be. I just finished my Leech and my choice of build are: Scourge, Storm, Corona and Taran. I have 4 Scourges and 4 Tarans ready to go, but if I go Corona, I have to take them off my Mender and Phantom. If I go Storm, I have a bit of leveling to do to bring them all to L9. I won't waste silver upgrading my Storms if there's a nerf on the horizon. If you miss the memo, skip all of those weapons and go straight to 3 igniters and add a cyro/corona. You keep all the damage and you can catch them for the kill. And theyre safe from nerfs anytime soon. I kinda feel both halo and corona are not long for the balance tootheu sre very problematic weapons |
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Post by Koalabear on Nov 14, 2019 8:08:55 GMT -5
Well, I hope we find out soon what the decision will be. I just finished my Leech and my choice of build are: Scourge, Storm, Corona and Taran. I have 4 Scourges and 4 Tarans ready to go, but if I go Corona, I have to take them off my Mender and Phantom. If I go Storm, I have a bit of leveling to do to bring them all to L9. I won't waste silver upgrading my Storms if there's a nerf on the horizon. If you miss the memo, skip all of those weapons and go straight to 3 igniters and add a cyro/corona. You keep all the damage and you can catch them for the kill. And theyre safe from nerfs anytime soon. Yeah, I missed the memo, but the point is moot. I don't have any igniters or cryos. The only freezing weapons I have is 2 Rimes on my Loki. As others have mentioned in other threads, I'll likely start with Scourge and then move to Tarans or Corona or both later on. That's what I like about getting a new bot, the playing around with different builds to see what works for me. I know I'm gonna get a lot of hate for running the Leech, but heck, it's part of the game and I like shiny new toys. And TBH, I don't think the Leech is nearly as bad as the Ares when it first came out. Yes, there's no shield to run under, but heck, if you got rooted by an Ares outside of 50m, you weren't running under any shields anyway. In terms of raw firepower, the Ares still had the Leech beat with the quad lasers. Yes, 4M weapons will still one salvo kill just about anything but at least its not going to do that light show on you. |
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Post by pewpewninja on Nov 14, 2019 14:09:34 GMT -5
If you miss the memo, skip all of those weapons and go straight to 3 igniters and add a cyro/corona. You keep all the damage and you can catch them for the kill. And theyre safe from nerfs anytime soon. Yeah, I missed the memo, but the point is moot. I don't have any igniters or cryos. The only freezing weapons I have is 2 Rimes on my Loki. As others have mentioned in other threads, I'll likely start with Scourge and then move to Tarans or Corona or both later on. That's what I like about getting a new bot, the playing around with different builds to see what works for me. I know I'm gonna get a lot of hate for running the Leech, but heck, it's part of the game and I like shiny new toys. And TBH, I don't think the Leech is nearly as bad as the Ares when it first came out. Yes, there's no shield to run under, but heck, if you got rooted by an Ares outside of 50m, you weren't running under any shields anyway. In terms of raw firepower, the Ares still had the Leech beat with the quad lasers. Yes, 4M weapons will still one salvo kill just about anything but at least its not going to do that light show on you. I have an alergy to lockon weapons but out of the options you provided id go with storms because thats the only weapon that wrecks more faces compared to igniters. Its 120 mil each to mk2 so its achieveable to finish em in a month. The nerf if its going to happen is still more than 3 months away possible never. Scourge leeches aren't very scary compares to storm leeches. |
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Nov 14, 2019 14:15:22 GMT -5
Whatever the case, they will still kill, but may require slight tactical adjustment to the current playstyle. So many people complained about Gust nerf saying they were worthless now, advising everyone not to bother with them, yet I am still to this day accomplishing multiple kills with Gust Blitz. All that is necessary when nerfs happen is to
- prepare enhancements well
- adjust combat tactics accordingly
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Post by pewpewninja on Nov 14, 2019 14:18:06 GMT -5
Whatever the case, they will still kill, but may require slight tactical adjustment to the current playstyle. So many people complained about Gust nerf saying they were worthless now, advising everyone not to bother with them, yet I am still to this day accomplishing multiple kills with Gust Blitz. All that is necessary when nerfs happen is to - prepare enhancements well - adjust combat tactics accordingly Yep, gusts blitz is one deadly little sneaky bot. Still very competitive against even leeches. And very cheap to mk2. |
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Post by teraflx on Nov 14, 2019 14:24:48 GMT -5
Well I just brought a set of storms to MK1 lv 12 for my Fenrir so with my luck a nerf will be coming soon. I personally think they are far from OP but as with any weapon in the game they become OP on a OP bot that can hold 4 of them (ahem, leech).
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Post by T34 on Nov 14, 2019 16:30:51 GMT -5
I dont think storms need a nerf (just for the record, i have them but dont use them). With the cryos, the power creep has probably happened. If they nerf the corona then they may nerf the storms so that there is a gap between the two weapons.
Not sure how good cryos are but i think they are better than storms (started to level mine). The game will probably move to the cryo camp now. They are quick to unload, have splash, lock down and damage increase. A leech unloading from 300m is devastating and doesn't even have to go in close to overcome shot grouping and stuff.
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Post by hi5 on Nov 14, 2019 17:49:26 GMT -5
Why nerf the Storm? They gave them away for the longest time and then buffed them multiple times because we all told then that they were worthless. They are Au weapons now. You would think they would want to encourage Au sales. It’s what happened to gusts. They were worthless initially and gave them away, then buffer them and everyone used them. Then the recent nerf. |
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Post by spartan44 on Nov 14, 2019 18:24:34 GMT -5
Even with shot grouping, storms are really a 150m weapon MAX. Nerfing them would be incredibly stupid and totally unnecessary. They are only powerful up close. They are total trash beyond 150m. Therefore Pix will nerf them into the dirt.
Avenger is in the same boat but has better effectiveness at range. It needs no nerf. Therefore Pix will nerf it into the dirt.
The biggest problem with nerfing these two weapons are the tank bots, especially the t-fal. They will be nigh unto impossible to take down without strong storm or avenger. Corona just does not get the job done on a mk2 t-fal.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 18:47:27 GMT -5
Even with shot grouping, storms are really a 150m weapon MAX. Nerfing them would be incredibly stupid and totally unnecessary. They are only powerful up close. They are total trash beyond 150m. Therefore Pix will nerf them into the dirt. Avenger is in the same boat but has better effectiveness at range. It needs no nerf. Therefore Pix will nerf it into the dirt. The biggest problem with nerfing these two weapons are the tank bots, especially the t-fal. They will be nigh unto impossible to take down without strong storm or avenger. Corona just does not get the job done on a mk2 t-fal. I'm amazed that the Avenger has gotten away with it for so long. I have four and use four. They aren't ridiculous, my Falcon melts everything with 3 and marksman, but using it is a very risky business. It's not a risky business on a fire breathing dragon in stealth, but, as with Orkans on a Spectre and Storms on a Leech, the bot is the problem, not the weapon. |
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Post by T34 on Nov 14, 2019 19:51:05 GMT -5
Even with shot grouping, storms are really a 150m weapon MAX. Nerfing them would be incredibly stupid and totally unnecessary. They are only powerful up close. They are total trash beyond 150m. Therefore Pix will nerf them into the dirt. Avenger is in the same boat but has better effectiveness at range. It needs no nerf. Therefore Pix will nerf it into the dirt. The biggest problem with nerfing these two weapons are the tank bots, especially the t-fal. They will be nigh unto impossible to take down without strong storm or avenger. Corona just does not get the job done on a mk2 t-fal. The issue for the avenger is the new heavy cryo. Pix can stimulate a transition if they nerf the avenger. They probably made Orkans trash because of the cryo release. They will prob do the same to the avenger. |
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Post by shivaswrath on Nov 14, 2019 20:35:06 GMT -5
It works well if you're up close.
Few bots can pull that off...orkans were good from 300-0, so they had to be nerfed in order for Cryo 「dookie」.
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Post by pewpewninja on Nov 14, 2019 22:26:20 GMT -5
I think this panic is senseless and have no solid base.
1. Avengers will not deter people buying glaciers, those things are hax and wrecks faces way better than avengers do. Give me glaciers now and it will replace my avengers as soon as its 12'ed. Avengers do way less burst power vs a glacier.
Theyre exodus that makes the target takes 20% extra dmg NOT ONLY from you but from ANY source. Wanna pop a leech in one sec flat, get a pair of glaciers, get on discord and yell right side frozen leech out of phase shift and its dead before you even get to hit it.
And it has a 17 sec cooldown for a full reload vs 26 sec for exo. And exos are already strong weapons.
2. Storms wont deter people getting cyros for the same reason. a specter with 4 x cyros insta kill a lot of things. Even a single cyro increases your dps by 20% vs having to mk2 all the weapons in the bot. And if youre already mk2 then this is mk3. So yes people will get them. And will choose them over storms. Its just theyre not readily available yet. But as soon as its in the workshop it will replace coronas and storms. See its not random chance its 100% the target will be frozen. Anyone ever try deathmarking a 1 mil hp mk2 t falcon and hitting it with cyros? It goes splat... Because that 1 mil hp is now 200 k hp. Those two things just did 800k dmg instant. Imagine if youre in a leech one single cyro and 3 storms thats instant popcorn falcon.
3. Even if they nerf avengers and storms, i doubt it will be unusable immediatly, orkans were still usable two years after they first nerf it. And yes im surprised avengers and storms last this long without a nerf.
So relax in a way every weapon in the game have been indirectly nerfed by the release of cyro weapons. So proceed with mk2 ing your storms theyre still cheaper and easy to mk2. Dont forget to buy the sharpshooter pilot.
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