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Post by l》THE MACHINE《l on Nov 14, 2019 0:12:29 GMT -5
Normal falcon is close to as tanky as the T falcon (2/3 as tanky to be exact). Change my mind
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Post by The Doctor Is Out on Nov 14, 2019 0:19:39 GMT -5
Not with HAKs, pilot skills and Traditionalist. Additional skills such as Modules Expert, Invulnerable Raider and Adamant Guardian can make disposing of one an absolute nightmare. It's only weakness is continuous fire weapons that can drown enemies in projectiles (Avengers, Embers, Vipers, etc).
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Post by Phycoshot on Nov 14, 2019 0:22:21 GMT -5
I don't care too much if one is or isn't I'll just unload my shotguns
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Post by reconnecting on Nov 14, 2019 1:33:01 GMT -5
Sorry, but I just took Traditionalist off my Falcon to try the ability with rocket weapons. It's fun but not even close to the durability of a T-Falc. It's just two totally different bots. T-Falc can take fire from several bots and still get to cover or kill one or several reds. A regular Falcon would just die, though not as quickly as other bots. T-falc is a really good tank, regular Falcon is an ambusher.
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Post by RightOn on Nov 14, 2019 2:03:37 GMT -5
?hot stuff? cares about the durability, Falcon has 60% DR to begin with, the whole point of Falcon was like being a melee Fury with jump. I can only ever seeing that bot shaking two giant thunders in your ear.
Who? The who?
Oh hmmm. Idk what hot stuff even is.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 3:56:49 GMT -5
Sorry, but I just took Traditionalist off my Falcon to try the ability with rocket weapons. It's fun but not even close to the durability of a T-Falc. It's just two totally different bots. T-Falc can take fire from several bots and still get to cover or kill one or several reds. A regular Falcon would just die, though not as quickly as other bots. T-falc is a really good tank, regular Falcon is an ambusher. Agreed. I ran mine with Traditionalist skill and it was pretty much invincible at level 9 with maxed basic armour and advanced healing. It was also incredibly boring to play so I binned it. I still use the bot with 3 Avengers and sharpshooter, ironically as a T Falcon hunter/Ares deleter (with Shield Breaker) and it is far, far less durable. |
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Post by ʙᴜsʜ✫ʀᴀɴɢᴇʀ on Nov 14, 2019 4:10:23 GMT -5
Unpopular opinion.....
T-Falcon is a no skill garbage bot
I resent having to spend time shooting them because my randoms avoid them and let them take beacons.
I’ve therefore made it my mission (much like the Loki) to hunt them down whenever I can, in the vein hope that maybe players will realize that they’re garbage, and will run a different bot.
They remind me of the big stupid (verging on retardation) kid in the high school sports team, who’s one and only skill was too keep running to the try line with 5 normal sized kids hanging off him.
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Post by cheap on Nov 14, 2019 4:38:27 GMT -5
it easy'r to take them out these days with "Cryo's", T-Fals an Invaders anyways.
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Post by pewpewninja on Nov 14, 2019 7:28:02 GMT -5
The difference is normal falcons dies to leech with storms because it lacks the hp
pool which reduces the heal, so the heal can't mitigate enough dps of four mk2 storms to survive.
T falcons kills the leech and survives with 30-50% hp because it heals 30% more per sec which if you calculate from 1 mil hp is a lot.
T falcons can take a beacon guarded by two reds sometimes three, or defend a beacon against 2-3 reds long enough for cavalry to arrive. Normal falcons can not.
Yes normal falcons can kill ao juns and areses easier with exos, avalanche, glaciers in 1 v 1 scenario. But these scenarios are 100:1.
most games im in its me against 2-3 reds everytime with dumb teammates who doesn't know how to defend home beacons or too dumb to not overextend and waste their bots when we are at 3 beacons.
Theres a reason people are using t falcons in legends league.
It is a boring bot but sometimes thats just what is needed a chunky beast that soaks two full clip of ammo and two ability cooldowns to kill.
Cyros kills both yes
Suggestion buy two pilots, one for t and one normal
Falcons in todays meta is a griffin or a leo before dash bots era. Its not a leech but its does the job and its damn cheap to build.
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Post by l》THE MACHINE《l on Nov 14, 2019 10:23:28 GMT -5
Not with HAKs, pilot skills and Traditionalist. Additional skills such as Modules Expert, Invulnerable Raider and Adamant Guardian can make disposing of one an absolute nightmare. It's only weakness is continuous fire weapons that can drown enemies in projectiles (Avengers, Embers, Vipers, etc). but you can do this to normal falcon and give just about the same benefits. Adding the fact that normal falcon is 2/3 as tanky as T falcon this makes it about the same. |
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Post by Loganspawn on Nov 14, 2019 10:27:12 GMT -5
Unpopular opinion..... T-Falcon is a no skill garbage bot I resent having to spend time shooting them because my randoms avoid them and let them take beacons. I’ve therefore made it my mission (much like the Loki) to hunt them down whenever I can, in the vein hope that maybe players will realize that they’re garbage, and will run a different bot. They remind me of the big stupid (verging on retardation) kid in the high school sports team, who’s one and only skill was too keep running to the try line with 5 normal sized kids hanging off him. So you are really looking forward to the Titans huh. |
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Post by l》THE MACHINE《l on Nov 14, 2019 10:29:23 GMT -5
The difference is normal falcons dies to leech with storms because it lacks the hp pool which reduces the heal, so the heal can't mitigate enough dps of four mk2 storms to survive. T falcons kills the leech and survives with 30-50% hp because it heals 30% more per sec which if you calculate from 1 mil hp is a lot. T falcons can take a beacon guarded by two reds sometimes three, or defend a beacon against 2-3 reds long enough for cavalry to arrive. Normal falcons can not. Yes normal falcons can kill ao juns and areses easier with exos, avalanche, glaciers in 1 v 1 scenario. But these scenarios are 100:1. most games im in its me against 2-3 reds everytime with dumb teammates who doesn't know how to defend home beacons or too dumb to not overextend and waste their bots when we are at 3 beacons. Theres a reason people are using t falcons in legends league. It is a boring bot but sometimes thats just what is needed a chunky beast that soaks two full clip of ammo and two ability cooldowns to kill. Cyros kills both yes Suggestion buy two pilots, one for t and one normal Falcons in todays meta is a griffin or a leo before dash bots era. Its not a leech but its does the job and its damn cheap to build. you don't see the use of the falcon ability do you? The falcon in its normal state is 2/3 as tanky as a T falcon PLUS if you are careful and aware of your surroundings you canuse the ability and take <10,000 damage during it meaning you dish out 3 times the damage while taking only a small amount of damage. My falcon EASILY mops the floor with ares and ao jun simply because they underestimate my tankyness, I then let them finsh their abilitys and unleash the exos to kill them. I kill T falcons for a living in mine as well, taking about 1/3 of their health per unload of my weapons. |
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Post by l》THE MACHINE《l on Nov 14, 2019 10:32:20 GMT -5
Sorry, but I just took Traditionalist off my Falcon to try the ability with rocket weapons. It's fun but not even close to the durability of a T-Falc. It's just two totally different bots. T-Falc can take fire from several bots and still get to cover or kill one or several reds. A regular Falcon would just die, though not as quickly as other bots. T-falc is a really good tank, regular Falcon is an ambusher. dont blindly run into groups of people with it and learn how to play it the right way before you make the finally descision. Normal falc in 2/3 as tanky BTW |
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Nov 14, 2019 10:32:52 GMT -5
Not with HAKs, pilot skills and Traditionalist. Additional skills such as Modules Expert, Invulnerable Raider and Adamant Guardian can make disposing of one an absolute nightmare. It's only weakness is continuous fire weapons that can drown enemies in projectiles (Avengers, Embers, Vipers, etc). but you can do this to normal falcon and give just about the same benefits. Adding the fact that normal falcon is 2/3 as tanky as T falcon this makes it about the same. Yeah, but that last 1/3 is pretty freaking huge. Having played both A LOT, imo it boils down to this: TFalc is more Meta CFalc is more FUN And, if you see this 1v1 on the battlefield, just kiss your TFalc goodbye.  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 10:35:45 GMT -5
Unpopular opinion..... T-Falcon is a no skill garbage bot I resent having to spend time shooting them because my randoms avoid them and let them take beacons. I’ve therefore made it my mission (much like the Loki) to hunt them down whenever I can, in the vein hope that maybe players will realize that they’re garbage, and will run a different bot. They remind me of the big stupid (verging on retardation) kid in the high school sports team, who’s one and only skill was too keep running to the try line with 5 normal sized kids hanging off him. Still, it could be worse . At least T-Falcs go for beacons. Bulwarks, on the other hand... With that being said, my respects to people who play bulwark aggressively instead of camping in the back with dragoons. |
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Nov 14, 2019 10:38:38 GMT -5
Unpopular opinion..... T-Falcon is a no skill garbage bot I resent having to spend time shooting them because my randoms avoid them and let them take beacons. I’ve therefore made it my mission (much like the Loki) to hunt them down whenever I can, in the vein hope that maybe players will realize that they’re garbage, and will run a different bot. They remind me of the big stupid (verging on retardation) kid in the high school sports team, who’s one and only skill was too keep running to the try line with 5 normal sized kids hanging off him. Actually, I think that is a very popular opinion and indeed how most players use the TFalc, as a mindless damage sponge. But, you don’t HAVE to play it that way. When I ran mine (and occasionally still do in squadding) I generally use it as a 3-red beacon drop. HR & Ad HR, Mech & Ad Mech w maxed AC mod and MK2 Glory, 65kph of hard to stop distraction. E.g. when all the reds are clustered at center on Yaman, I’d run up the covered bridge to red spawn. W good teammates that move is usually enough to draw reds away from protecting center and blues secure it. |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Nov 14, 2019 10:49:02 GMT -5
Unpopular opinion..... T-Falcon is a no skill garbage bot I resent having to spend time shooting them because my randoms avoid them and let them take beacons. I’ve therefore made it my mission (much like the Loki) to hunt them down whenever I can, in the vein hope that maybe players will realize that they’re garbage, and will run a different bot. They remind me of the big stupid (verging on retardation) kid in the high school sports team, who’s one and only skill was too keep running to the try line with 5 normal sized kids hanging off him. Actually, I think that is a very popular opinion and indeed how most players use the TFalc, as a mindless damage sponge. But, you don’t HAVE to play it that way. When I ran mine (and occasionally still do in squadding) I generally use it as a 3-red beacon drop. HR & Ad HR, Mech & Ad Mech w maxed AC mod and MK2 Glory, 65kph of hard to stop distraction. E.g. when all the reds are clustered at center on Yaman, I’d run up the covered bridge to red spawn. W good teammates that move is usually enough to draw reds away from protecting center and blues secure it. I will add that it is hated because it works. It's a solid counter for F2P or low pay folk against things like maxed Ares and Leech. Yes it can be played in a dumb manner... but it can also mean the difference between a Master Leaguer in a Champ fight botting out in seconds or minutes. To me, it is not garbage, but like any bot, can def be played like garbage.
IMO, YMMV
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Post by RightOn on Nov 14, 2019 10:57:10 GMT -5
but you can do this to normal falcon and give just about the same benefits. Adding the fact that normal falcon is 2/3 as tanky as T falcon this makes it about the same. Yeah, but that last 1/3 is pretty freaking huge. Having played both A LOT, imo it boils down to this: TFalc is more Meta CFalc is more FUN And, if you see this 1v1 on the battlefield, just kiss your TFalc goodbye. There's nothing meta about getting stuck behind terrain and having the firepower of a shcutze. Yes, it can hold a beacon, intimidating others from contesting the beacon. But as far as moving around goes, there's no way I would give up jump. And there's no way I would give up the instant gratification of depleting somebody's health with an avenger and 2 thunders point blank. That's the funniest thing, is they will walk right into you too - but they don't expect you to reserve heal to blast them point blank or mid-air. |
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Post by no pain 80 on Nov 14, 2019 11:03:57 GMT -5
Normal falcon is close to as tanky as the T falcon (2/3 as tanky to be exact). Change my mind Yes, it is tanky as long as it does not go talons out. Then, it losses its DR and becomes a turkey shoot (177k HP at lvl11 aint much to chew for any meta bot). That being said, I switched back to normal falcon after >3 months long boredom. Now that I won my second glacier, yes it was the first glacier that made me change it from t-falcon, I feel like it will be much more fun play time on talons-out. |
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Post by _FakeNews_ on Nov 14, 2019 11:14:19 GMT -5
I honestly don't like the t falcon because of the sheer tankiness (but hey, free damage). and when mine comes out of workshop it's going to be a jumping, hyper killing beast of mass destruction. Because that's what made the falcon fun to me, being able to jump and destroy your enemies by surprise.
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Nov 14, 2019 11:54:52 GMT -5
Normal falcon is close to as tanky as the T falcon (2/3 as tanky to be exact). Change my mind Yes, it is tanky as long as it does not go talons out. Then, it losses its DR and becomes a turkey shoot (177k HP at lvl11 aint much to chew for any meta bot). That being said, I switched back to normal falcon after >3 months long boredom. Now that I won my second glacier, yes it was the first glacier that made me change it from t-falcon, I feel like it will be much more fun play time on talons-out. I’ve been running my 2 glaciers on a Quantum Radar DW Ao Jun as an Ao Jun hunter, but I might have to try them as Falcon’s Talons. They unload faster than Exos! |
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Post by pewpewninja on Nov 14, 2019 13:01:45 GMT -5
The difference is normal falcons dies to leech with storms because it lacks the hp pool which reduces the heal, so the heal can't mitigate enough dps of four mk2 storms to survive. T falcons kills the leech and survives with 30-50% hp because it heals 30% more per sec which if you calculate from 1 mil hp is a lot. T falcons can take a beacon guarded by two reds sometimes three, or defend a beacon against 2-3 reds long enough for cavalry to arrive. Normal falcons can not. Yes normal falcons can kill ao juns and areses easier with exos, avalanche, glaciers in 1 v 1 scenario. But these scenarios are 100:1. most games im in its me against 2-3 reds everytime with dumb teammates who doesn't know how to defend home beacons or too dumb to not overextend and waste their bots when we are at 3 beacons. Theres a reason people are using t falcons in legends league. It is a boring bot but sometimes thats just what is needed a chunky beast that soaks two full clip of ammo and two ability cooldowns to kill. Cyros kills both yes Suggestion buy two pilots, one for t and one normal Falcons in todays meta is a griffin or a leo before dash bots era. Its not a leech but its does the job and its damn cheap to build. you don't see the use of the falcon ability do you? The falcon in its normal state is 2/3 as tanky as a T falcon PLUS if you are careful and aware of your surroundings you canuse the ability and take <10,000 damage during it meaning you dish out 3 times the damage while taking only a small amount of damage. My falcon EASILY mops the floor with ares and ao jun simply because they underestimate my tankyness, I then let them finsh their abilitys and unleash the exos to kill them. I kill T falcons for a living in mine as well, taking about 1/3 of their health per unload of my weapons. Can you read? You sound like you just got your first falcon or something lol. EVERYONE knows what falcons do. Im guessing youre in lower champs or lower, against experienced players with maxed gear we know how much damage you can do with fangs out, we know when you will do it, ?dookie? i can even push you so hard that you will have to fangs out to run, and we also know how quick you will die. See where i am everyone has at least 2-3 last stands and theres almost always a 3-4 leeches and phantoms running around. Areses and ao juns aren't the problem anymore. Ever tried nuking a phantom with maxed pilot, maxed last stand, and battleborn? Its just as tanky and it will dodge half your rockets without even having to blink. Leeches loves normal falcons lets not get into that. trust me its not much and most cases t falcons are more effective. 2/3 tanky isnt gonna help you, youre basically a fenrir with half the firepower or an invader that doesn't supress. You can sting a little but if it aint gonna kill me youre dead. Don't get me wrong i love the occasional switch to normal jumping guns blazing falcon. I have cormac as my normal falcon pilot actually for even more damage. But im sorry to say chubby falcon is just too useful. Maybe when i have two glaciers i will have some fun with em again for some games. the reload is in almost in sync with fangs out cooldown. Falcons are budget bot still useable against the phantom and leeches train and is a good bot. Better than fenrir sadly but i believe fenrir is about get buffed because i think its gonna be the next limited edition ops final prize next season. |
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Nov 14, 2019 13:43:00 GMT -5
Unpopular opinion..... T-Falcon is a no skill garbage bot I resent having to spend time shooting them because my randoms avoid them and let them take beacons. I’ve therefore made it my mission (much like the Loki) to hunt them down whenever I can, in the vein hope that maybe players will realize that they’re garbage, and will run a different bot. They remind me of the big stupid (verging on retardation) kid in the high school sports team, who’s one and only skill was too keep running to the try line with 5 normal sized kids hanging off him. Lol, true, but I think a TFalcon is going to be an important late game mech to control beacons against the Titans. Durability is going to be essential against devastating titan weapons Speed is also going to be very important |
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Post by l》THE MACHINE《l on Nov 14, 2019 19:26:34 GMT -5
you don't see the use of the falcon ability do you? The falcon in its normal state is 2/3 as tanky as a T falcon PLUS if you are careful and aware of your surroundings you canuse the ability and take <10,000 damage during it meaning you dish out 3 times the damage while taking only a small amount of damage. My falcon EASILY mops the floor with ares and ao jun simply because they underestimate my tankyness, I then let them finsh their abilitys and unleash the exos to kill them. I kill T falcons for a living in mine as well, taking about 1/3 of their health per unload of my weapons. Can you read? You sound like you just got your first falcon or something lol. EVERYONE knows what falcons do. Im guessing youre in lower champs or lower, against experienced players with maxed gear we know how much damage you can do with fangs out, we know when you will do it, ?dookie? i can even push you so hard that you will have to fangs out to run, and we also know how quick you will die. See where i am everyone has at least 2-3 last stands and theres almost always a 3-4 leeches and phantoms running around. Areses and ao juns aren't the problem anymore. Ever tried nuking a phantom with maxed pilot, maxed last stand, and battleborn? Its just as tanky and it will dodge half your rockets without even having to blink. Leeches loves normal falcons lets not get into that. trust me its not much and most cases t falcons are more effective. 2/3 tanky isnt gonna help you, youre basically a fenrir with half the firepower or an invader that doesn't supress. You can sting a little but if it aint gonna kill me youre dead. Don't get me wrong i love the occasional switch to normal jumping guns blazing falcon. I have cormac as my normal falcon pilot actually for even more damage. But im sorry to say chubby falcon is just too useful. Maybe when i have two glaciers i will have some fun with em again for some games. the reload is in almost in sync with fangs out cooldown. Falcons are budget bot still useable against the phantom and leeches train and is a good bot. Better than fenrir sadly but i believe fenrir is about get buffed because i think its gonna be the next limited edition ops final prize next season. I stay with people who have 2-3 levels higher of bots then me, have had my falcon for the past YEAR and ran it without Traditonalist skill the ENTIRE time, so don't talk down to me boy. I may have sounded like I don't know much but that doesn't mean you can make 6-7 paragraphs about "oh you don't know anything", find out before you sound like an idiot. I made this thread so people could try to change my mind like adults, not like toddlers fighting over the last piece of chocolate. Give me good hard facts and I will take them, talk like you know everything and you are just an idiot to me. So, now that I have said that here you go: I ran falcon in champs for a long time, since before the ares was even a concept, and in that time I have beaten ALL sorts of bots with it. I made the build of viper exodus, and recently with the T falcs running around I have noticed that I can deal significant amounts of damage while taking very little. This is because whenever I meet T falcons I am with teammates (be smart and do the same). I of course run into their face and dig into them with my viper and they always fire at me for a bit then decide against it since a single heavy weapon isn't doing much work on my falcon. I then use the exodus AFTER checking to make sure nobody is around to shoot me. I unload and then if the falcom targets me I will jump away so by the time they catch me I am far away. Usually this only takes 2-3 times, somethimes 4 if I have less teammates AND the falcon is hoghly leveled. Also, I have learned to pay attention to what is around me using my mercury, mapping out any snipers or midrangers that could kill my falcon, killing them if I get the chance, then when I drop falcon I make sure I am out of their line of fire even during the jump AND I get it so I have only one person near me, the one who I am killing. So saying that everyone knows when I will use my fangs is idiotic at best, I have always been able to predict how people will react to situations and most people won't break off from a fight just because they saw that broken shield above my head, and even if they do I will be in safety and/or back in defence mode. |
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