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Post by linearblade on Nov 12, 2019 13:01:00 GMT -5
So I punched my tyr up to 9.
Ran him around a bit. So some notes...
1 anti control, 2 heavy Armor.
Yes: shield edit; IS unbreakable, even with signed at level 1...but seems really pourous at times.
Doesn’t seem remotely broken, mainly because it seems to have a really tight angle at where it protects. Kinetics seem to generally spray past it with ease. And on my raijin with redeemers, even against ancient tyr, I seem to blow them away as well.
My suspicion is that this is a bug in the same fashion as the phantom resistance or ares ignoring resistance .that is, pixonic sells a bot which has a temporary buff and calls it an accident.
Even with this “bug”, and I’m loathe to call it that. It seems weaker than an ares or leech. It is kind of nice to have a marginally fair fight with a leech tho. If you keep backing away like a girl, eventually his purple runs out and you may have survived the splatter damage from his shotty u may be able to kill him.
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Post by The Doctor Is Out on Nov 12, 2019 13:16:38 GMT -5
Rayker by far is the best bot for dueling a Leech. Zap it with Suppression for 5 seconds and pursue it in PS for the latter 5. It'll PS away from you, but it removes the suppression protection. Zap him again and finish him off.
Also, while I have you, what do you think of a Viper Raijin? I do have Avengers handy, but Raijin is not very mobile, and finishing off foes hiding behind cover with DOT is appealing. I have my Dragoon Raijin, but I want some more close range fangs.
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Post by linearblade on Nov 12, 2019 13:28:22 GMT -5
Rayker by far is the best bot for dueling a Leech. Zap it with Suppression for 5 seconds and pursue it in PS for the latter 5. It'll PS away from you, but it removes the suppression protection. Zap him again and finish him off. Also, while I have you, what do you think of a Viper Raijin? I do have Avengers handy, but Raijin is not very mobile, and finishing off foes hiding behind cover with DOT is appealing. I have my Dragoon Raijin, but I want some more close range fangs. The best sauce I have for raijin currently is redeemer + Adrian + damage module. Play with a booster. Why? Will get to it in a second Your talking +30% damage when walking around. However when tanked up, you do 1.33 x 1.3 = 73% damage boost If you want to death mark that (which I found largely unnecessary, since most people I want to death mark have maxed last stands and one volley will drop them to last stand. ) you then times by 1.2 for 108% total damage boost . Any time you feel like it. The reason you want to run with booster and damage module etc is because they get mtultiplied. So a 10% damage booster is really a 13% booster. You can get this number higher, but I don’t bother. Anyhow, you can put vipers on and you will melt them in moments. Or the redeemers will pulverize them even in 90% mode . I prefer redeemers solely because you can Quantum Radar murder hobo Ao juns. Viper are piss poor bad vs Ao Jun. Weylands with 30% damage bonus and vipers also do adequately well. That’s what I currently use to deal with them |
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Post by The Doctor Is Out on Nov 12, 2019 14:07:41 GMT -5
Rayker by far is the best bot for dueling a Leech. Zap it with Suppression for 5 seconds and pursue it in PS for the latter 5. It'll PS away from you, but it removes the suppression protection. Zap him again and finish him off. Also, while I have you, what do you think of a Viper Raijin? I do have Avengers handy, but Raijin is not very mobile, and finishing off foes hiding behind cover with DOT is appealing. I have my Dragoon Raijin, but I want some more close range fangs. The best sauce I have for raijin currently is redeemer + Adrian + damage module. Play with a booster. Why? Will get to it in a second Your talking +30% damage when walking around. However when tanked up, you do 1.33 x 1.3 = 73% damage boost If you want to death mark that (which I found largely unnecessary, since most people I want to death mark have maxed last stands and one volley will drop them to last stand. ) you then times by 1.2 for 108% total damage boost . Any time you feel like it. The reason you want to run with booster and damage module etc is because they get mtultiplied. So a 10% damage booster is really a 13% booster. You can get this number higher, but I don’t bother. Anyhow, you can put vipers on and you will melt them in moments. Or the redeemers will pulverize them even in 90% mode . I prefer redeemers solely because you can Quantum Radar murder hobo Ao juns. Viper are piss poor bad vs Ao Jun. Weylands with 30% damage bonus and vipers also do adequately well. That’s what I currently use to deal with them Where does Weyland get a 30% damage bonus? Ferocious Guardian only grants 3%. Additionally, doesn't Raijin gain a 60% boost? Why are Vipers so bad against Ao Jun? It's a slow damage Avenger with DOT, no? And finally, isn't Raijin too slow to make an approach with Redeemers? That's why they're on my Weyland, as opposed to my Raijin. |
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Post by linearblade on Nov 12, 2019 14:15:28 GMT -5
The best sauce I have for raijin currently is redeemer + Adrian + damage module. Play with a booster. Why? Will get to it in a second Your talking +30% damage when walking around. However when tanked up, you do 1.33 x 1.3 = 73% damage boost If you want to death mark that (which I found largely unnecessary, since most people I want to death mark have maxed last stands and one volley will drop them to last stand. ) you then times by 1.2 for 108% total damage boost . Any time you feel like it. The reason you want to run with booster and damage module etc is because they get mtultiplied. So a 10% damage booster is really a 13% booster. You can get this number higher, but I don’t bother. Anyhow, you can put vipers on and you will melt them in moments. Or the redeemers will pulverize them even in 90% mode . I prefer redeemers solely because you can Quantum Radar murder hobo Ao juns. Viper are piss poor bad vs Ao Jun. Weylands with 30% damage bonus and vipers also do adequately well. That’s what I currently use to deal with them Where does Weyland get a 30% damage bonus? Ferocious Guardian only grants 3%. Additionally, doesn't Raijin gain a 60% boost? Why are Vipers so bad against Ao Jun? It's a slow damage Avenger with DOT, no? And finally, isn't Raijin too slow to make an approach with Redeemers? That's why they're on my Weyland, as opposed to my Raijin. I use an Adrian, 2 modules, pilot skill , 30% booster for 40. As for raijin, no Ao Jun pilots are almost universally dumb and cowardly. Just wait for faerie wings to sprout, pop your Quantum Radar and blow them away. Vipers can hit them, but the skilled ones (still dumb), are harder to hit. With the redeemer on a raijin tho, it takes only a hit or 2 and that dragon will be going the other way or falling to the ground. Re: raijin boost, no, it’s 30% multiplied AFTER booster module pilots. Death mark also multiplied.Tested that. |
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Post by linearblade on Nov 12, 2019 14:16:31 GMT -5
Edit: added a video
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Post by shivaswrath on Nov 12, 2019 14:49:27 GMT -5
I suspect a Mender is still the better healer brawler bot.
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Post by Phycoshot on Nov 12, 2019 14:52:47 GMT -5
This calls for some rockets...
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Post by Ⓑⓞⓑ Ⓓⓨⓛⓐⓝ on Nov 12, 2019 15:02:25 GMT -5
I suspect a Mender is still the better healer brawler bot. It is, if you're talking Tyr vs Mender it isn't even close. Deft Survivor Mender eats Ao Jun alive, no Quantum Radar needed. Like such a hard counter that I actively seek out dragons and invite them to flight attack me, I get bonus points for healing off their flight and a free kill when they land. Tyr has to have Quantum Radar to have a remove chance against Ao Jun, emphasis on remote, which is probably the most common Champions League bot right now. |
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Post by linearblade on Nov 12, 2019 15:12:42 GMT -5
I suspect a Mender is still the better healer brawler bot. It is, if you're talking Tyr vs Mender it isn't even close. Deft Survivor Mender eats Ao Jun alive, no Quantum Radar needed. Like such a hard counter that I actively seek out dragons and invite them to flight attack me, I get bonus points for healing off their flight and a free kill when they land. Tyr has to have Quantum Radar to have a remove chance against Ao Jun, emphasis on remote, which is probably the most common Champions League bot right now. Strap a couple lock down to your top slots, pop Quantum Radar and enjoy lunch should it work. BE lunch if it don’t. Random number generation. What a dumb idea for a video game. |
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Post by Ⓑⓞⓑ Ⓓⓨⓛⓐⓝ on Nov 12, 2019 15:19:07 GMT -5
It is, if you're talking Tyr vs Mender it isn't even close. Deft Survivor Mender eats Ao Jun alive, no Quantum Radar needed. Like such a hard counter that I actively seek out dragons and invite them to flight attack me, I get bonus points for healing off their flight and a free kill when they land. Tyr has to have Quantum Radar to have a remove chance against Ao Jun, emphasis on remote, which is probably the most common Champions League bot right now. Strap a couple lock down to your top slots, pop Quantum Radar and enjoy lunch should it work. BE lunch if it don’t. Random number generation. What a dumb idea for a video game. I dunno, I have a maxed MK2 Tyr with a level 60 Pilot. Tyr is incredibly weak to Ao Jun in any case, although I don't have the "bugged" version of Tyr. If the Ao Jun has Avengers/Redeemers maybe Ancient Tyr stands a chance but I still doubt it would hold a candle to how easily I mop them up with my Menders. |
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Post by linearblade on Nov 12, 2019 15:28:02 GMT -5
Strap a couple lock down to your top slots, pop Quantum Radar and enjoy lunch should it work. BE lunch if it don’t. Random number generation. What a dumb idea for a video game. I dunno, I have a maxed MK2 Tyr with a level 60 Pilot. Tyr is incredibly weak to Ao Jun in any case, although I don't have the "bugged" version of Tyr. If the Ao Jun has Avengers/Redeemers maybe Ancient Tyr stands a chance but I still doubt it would hold a candle to how easily I mop them up with my Menders. Yea. It’s not as good at terminating Ao Jun as say a raijin is (which 1-2 shots them) or even a Lancelot , which seems freakishly good and ripping them up But if you want rofls? Fujin vs Ao Jun with avengers. Big time rofl. How many time does deft survivor on mender work? |
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Post by Ⓑⓞⓑ Ⓓⓨⓛⓐⓝ on Nov 12, 2019 15:30:47 GMT -5
I dunno, I have a maxed MK2 Tyr with a level 60 Pilot. Tyr is incredibly weak to Ao Jun in any case, although I don't have the "bugged" version of Tyr. If the Ao Jun has Avengers/Redeemers maybe Ancient Tyr stands a chance but I still doubt it would hold a candle to how easily I mop them up with my Menders. Yea. It’s not as good at terminating Ao Jun as say a raijin is (which 1-2 shots them) or even a Lancelot , which seems freakishly good and ripping them up But if you want rofls? Fujin vs Ao Jun with avengers. Big time rofl. How many time does deft survivor on mender work? Deft only triggers once ever, but the instant an Ao Jun starts hitting me I can either straight up tank it with true ace healing and follow them, or use a combination of healing/cover and they rarely drop me past 50%. When they land my healing is back refreshed due to deft survivor and I'll typically take them out. Most of the time I won't even get to last stand unless they're fully maxed with the right weapons. |
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Nov 12, 2019 15:44:33 GMT -5
Ⓑⓞⓑ Ⓓⓨⓛⓐⓝ glad you chimed in. Although I have other projects for a while, I’m about to get the ancient tyr, but will complete mender first. my mender is only mk1 11 at the moment, but i plan to mk2 it before starting tyr, which i plan for my large map hangar with pulsar marquess. i won’t be running tyr as a brawler
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Nov 12, 2019 15:55:24 GMT -5
So I punched my tyr up to 9. Ran him around a bit. So some notes... 1 anti control, 2 heavy Armor. Yes: shield edit; IS unbreakable, even with signed at level 1...but seems really pourous at times. Doesn’t seem remotely broken, mainly because it seems to have a really tight angle at where it protects. Kinetics seem to generally spray past it with ease. And on my raijin with redeemers, even against ancient tyr, I seem to blow them away as well. My suspicion is that this is a bug in the same fashion as the phantom resistance or ares ignoring resistance .that is, pixonic sells a bot which has a temporary buff and calls it an accident.
Even with this “bug”, and I’m loathe to call it that. It seems weaker than an ares or leech. It is kind of nice to have a marginally fair fight with a leech tho. If you keep backing away like a girl, eventually his purple runs out and you may have survived the splatter damage from his shotty u may be able to kill him. What?!? No way. Just name one instance where Pix has knowingly introduced a bug-buff only to be fixed later. And, of course the sad excuse for a joke is, that after you name 27 such instances, I reply with: I said just name ONE. Yeah, it might be funny if it weren't so sad. Back to the OP, thx for that updated test. Good thing I'm always moving. And as far as the Tyr goes, I WS'd one just in case it gets a meaningful buff one day. Until then, Mender will have to do. |
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Post by linearblade on Nov 12, 2019 16:02:56 GMT -5
So I punched my tyr up to 9. Ran him around a bit. So some notes... 1 anti control, 2 heavy Armor. Yes: shield edit; IS unbreakable, even with signed at level 1...but seems really pourous at times. Doesn’t seem remotely broken, mainly because it seems to have a really tight angle at where it protects. Kinetics seem to generally spray past it with ease. And on my raijin with redeemers, even against ancient tyr, I seem to blow them away as well. My suspicion is that this is a bug in the same fashion as the phantom resistance or ares ignoring resistance .that is, pixonic sells a bot which has a temporary buff and calls it an accident.
Even with this “bug”, and I’m loathe to call it that. It seems weaker than an ares or leech. It is kind of nice to have a marginally fair fight with a leech tho. If you keep backing away like a girl, eventually his purple runs out and you may have survived the splatter damage from his shotty u may be able to kill him. What?!? No way. Just name one instance where Pix has knowingly introduced a bug-buff only to be fixed later. And, of course the sad excuse for a joke is, that after you name 27 such instances, I reply with: I said just name ONE. Yeah, it might be funny if it weren't so sad. Back to the OP, thx for that updated test. Good thing I'm always moving. And as far as the Tyr goes, I WS'd one just in case it gets a meaningful buff one day. Until then, Mender will have to do. Yea. Like all ragnarok bots. I’ll probably only upgrade them to 12 mk1 none save possibly Loki seem worth the extra 200m. If this ancient tyr stays bugger however... I just might keep it |
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Post by linearblade on Nov 12, 2019 16:04:46 GMT -5
Yea. It’s not as good at terminating Ao Jun as say a raijin is (which 1-2 shots them) or even a Lancelot , which seems freakishly good and ripping them up But if you want rofls? Fujin vs Ao Jun with avengers. Big time rofl. How many time does deft survivor on mender work? Deft only triggers once ever, but the instant an Ao Jun starts hitting me I can either straight up tank it with true ace healing and follow them, or use a combination of healing/cover and they rarely drop me past 50%. When they land my healing is back refreshed due to deft survivor and I'll typically take them out. Most of the time I won't even get to last stand unless they're fully maxed with the right weapons. Good luck on your final trek to the summit.last 10 levels was a hoot. Felt like those old quest grinds a couple years ago hehe. I’ll have to see you run the mender in action next time we play. Sounds interesting. Really hate the Ao Jun meta |
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Post by orionpax on Nov 12, 2019 16:52:21 GMT -5
Strap a couple lock down to your top slots, pop Quantum Radar and enjoy lunch should it work. BE lunch if it don’t. Random number generation. What a dumb idea for a video game. I dunno, I have a maxed MK2 Tyr with a level 60 Pilot. Tyr is incredibly weak to Ao Jun in any case, although I don't have the "bugged" version of Tyr. If the Ao Jun has Avengers/Redeemers maybe Ancient Tyr stands a chance but I still doubt it would hold a candle to how easily I mop them up with my Menders. . I also believe mender is better even though I run a Tyr. I just like the bot. It is definitely the weakest bot I have in hanger. I just can’t replace it. If I get another phantom I will have to replace her. |
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Post by The Doctor Is Out on Nov 12, 2019 17:59:14 GMT -5
So I punched my tyr up to 9. Ran him around a bit. So some notes... 1 anti control, 2 heavy Armor. Yes: shield edit; IS unbreakable, even with signed at level 1...but seems really pourous at times. Doesn’t seem remotely broken, mainly because it seems to have a really tight angle at where it protects. Kinetics seem to generally spray past it with ease. And on my raijin with redeemers, even against ancient tyr, I seem to blow them away as well. My suspicion is that this is a bug in the same fashion as the phantom resistance or ares ignoring resistance .that is, pixonic sells a bot which has a temporary buff and calls it an accident. Even with this “bug”, and I’m loathe to call it that. It seems weaker than an ares or leech. It is kind of nice to have a marginally fair fight with a leech tho. If you keep backing away like a girl, eventually his purple runs out and you may have survived the splatter damage from his shotty u may be able to kill him. My goodness. I can tell you from experience that my MK2 12 Tyr with Valka and Physical Shield Expert, it still takes less than 2/3rds of a dual Avenger robot to shred that shield to pieces, and not much longer for the bot to follow. Jun is Tyr's worst nightmare, especially because the bot does not support Modules Expert for extra Quantum Radar time. I've taken to having my Scourge Fujin dispose of Avenger Juns instead. The Tyr will be equipped with dual Igniters and Rimes, the non-event ones. EDIT: What timezone are you in? I want to test it. |
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Post by linearblade on Nov 12, 2019 23:02:21 GMT -5
So I punched my tyr up to 9. Ran him around a bit. So some notes... 1 anti control, 2 heavy Armor. Yes: shield edit; IS unbreakable, even with signed at level 1...but seems really pourous at times. Doesn’t seem remotely broken, mainly because it seems to have a really tight angle at where it protects. Kinetics seem to generally spray past it with ease. And on my raijin with redeemers, even against ancient tyr, I seem to blow them away as well. My suspicion is that this is a bug in the same fashion as the phantom resistance or ares ignoring resistance .that is, pixonic sells a bot which has a temporary buff and calls it an accident. Even with this “bug”, and I’m loathe to call it that. It seems weaker than an ares or leech. It is kind of nice to have a marginally fair fight with a leech tho. If you keep backing away like a girl, eventually his purple runs out and you may have survived the splatter damage from his shotty u may be able to kill him. My goodness. I can tell you from experience that my MK2 12 Tyr with Valka and Physical Shield Expert, it still takes less than 2/3rds of a dual Avenger robot to shred that shield to pieces, and not much longer for the bot to follow. Jun is Tyr's worst nightmare, especially because the bot does not support Modules Expert for extra Quantum Radar time. I've taken to having my Scourge Fujin dispose of Avenger Juns instead. The Tyr will be equipped with dual Igniters and Rimes, the non-event ones. EDIT: What timezone are you in? I want to test it. Singapore time |
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Post by awwarrobots on Nov 12, 2019 23:31:12 GMT -5
So I punched my tyr up to 9. Ran him around a bit. So some notes... 1 anti control, 2 heavy Armor. Yes: shield edit; IS unbreakable, even with signed at level 1...but seems really pourous at times. Doesn’t seem remotely broken, mainly because it seems to have a really tight angle at where it protects. Kinetics seem to generally spray past it with ease. And on my raijin with redeemers, even against ancient tyr, I seem to blow them away as well. My suspicion is that this is a bug in the same fashion as the phantom resistance or ares ignoring resistance .that is, pixonic sells a bot which has a temporary buff and calls it an accident. Even with this “bug”, and I’m loathe to call it that. It seems weaker than an ares or leech. It is kind of nice to have a marginally fair fight with a leech tho. If you keep backing away like a girl, eventually his purple runs out and you may have survived the splatter damage from his shotty u may be able to kill him. My goodness. I can tell you from experience that my MK2 12 Tyr with Valka and Physical Shield Expert, it still takes less than 2/3rds of a dual Avenger robot to shred that shield to pieces, and not much longer for the bot to follow. Jun is Tyr's worst nightmare, especially because the bot does not support Modules Expert for extra Quantum Radar time. I've taken to having my Scourge Fujin dispose of Avenger Juns instead. The Tyr will be equipped with dual Igniters and Rimes, the non-event ones. EDIT: What timezone are you in? I want to test it. Try max healing a second or so after getting hit, and running under the Ao Jun. I'd say that 1-1 it's a fifty/fifty proposition. You are right - Ao Jun is Tyr's (Ancient or regular) Nemesis. But I have a feeling that the Ao Jun is up for a nerf. Mega numbers of bots mean a hammer is coming. |
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Post by RightOn on Nov 12, 2019 23:52:34 GMT -5
Well you just can't run into ballistics with a shield, that's the problem. Against a Redeemer Ao Jun that shield could save you from a single scratch if you Quantum Radar it.
As far as killing them goes Taran/Halo Tyr looks optimal. Maybe Taran is too slow idk, but the range is right. Rime could work too but it's a little more delayed against speedy targets like phantom/Ao Jun.
The bug will be fixed... Another Easter egg like the bulgasari a while ago
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Post by akulon on Nov 13, 2019 0:48:02 GMT -5
Haven't met any bot can win 1v1 against maxed ancient Tyr.
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Post by linearblade on Nov 13, 2019 2:53:40 GMT -5
Iâm seeing a lot of ancient tyr out there. And they are all easy to kill.
In my own experience, they are deadly against nub cake opponents who can only shoot center mass.
But against experienced players they are trivial to kill.
Most of the ancient tyr opponents are maxed. Which is t surprising since youâd need to be a high leve to benefit to complete th operation.
At best, they are troubling. Even my Lancelot savagely whoops them.
At worst they walk out and die.
This bot would be a great bot in general, if .. yet again the 「slow」 princess bots didnât exist.
Very fun and balanced (ironically even the ancient edition lol)
Sadly pixonic 「fluffernutter」ed it up again with Ao Jun ares and leech (admittedly it does well against the ares, and somewhat average against the leech ... average is better than ânothingâ the rest of the bots do tho)
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Post by akulon on Nov 13, 2019 3:19:39 GMT -5
Yeah agree,if they can not easily kill maxed Lancelot,they must be noob.
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