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Post by raidenii on Nov 6, 2019 18:13:03 GMT -5
It seems like there is only one winner here when I put on L12 Avenger and 2x L8 Shredders on the Mercury or Rayker. Assuming a level playing field, both bots fitted with the same load outs, same situations, 1V1 against other bots or Rayker against Mercury (leaving player skills out for now).
Without fail, bots you think cannot be killed , can be killed by just one of these 2 bots. Vote!
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Nov 6, 2019 18:35:16 GMT -5
I think there are many factors involved in a 1v1 duel... especially when the bots are so different. If the Mercury can HD at the right moments and manage its higher HP pool, it gets the edge. If the Rayker can make great use of its suppression and maneuverability, it could come out on top. Player skill level, terrain... Hell, even luck, would make a difference, too.
I honestly can't choose either one.
IMO, YMMV
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Post by leecher123 on Nov 6, 2019 18:56:59 GMT -5
Rayker with Quantum Radar will win, hands down. With the non stop suppression in a 1 on 1 the mercury just canât do 「dookie」. It would be less certain if Rayker doesnât have Quantum Radar.
You might say what if the Mercury has AC. Well, anti control has a much longer cool down than Rayker suppression so at the end it will still be a Rayker win.
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Post by RightOn on Nov 6, 2019 18:57:30 GMT -5
Rayker can troll Mercury all day.
But I don't understand why this is about 1v1 and not the general mechanics and why they're both great in game.
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Nov 6, 2019 19:10:19 GMT -5
Both have advantages. If I had to choose, I would go with Rayker. I did choose Rayker actually.
- Better mobility - Better range versatility due to greater range of special ability - Quick reload multiple suppression/damage blasts on multiple target
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Post by raidenii on Nov 6, 2019 19:12:59 GMT -5
I will reveal the answers tomorrow. Keep Voting. Assuming a level playing field, both bots fitted with the same load outs, same situations, 1V1 against other bots or Rayker against Mercury. There is only 1 winner (leaving player skills out for now). People who have these 2 bots, will know the answer.
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Post by Eradicator1 on Nov 6, 2019 20:07:43 GMT -5
I have both. They are both great and do different things. Both are fun to pilot. But I get godlikes in my mercury. Only get occasional kills with my raker. For me the jump is more useful than the suppression. But that may be just me. I do try and help out teammates by suppressing a red giving them grief.
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Post by bayscout on Nov 6, 2019 20:09:17 GMT -5
Depends on the map. Small maps it's Merc without a doubt. Large maps it's a draw IMO, but depends on skills and modules.
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Post by snk on Nov 7, 2019 0:16:07 GMT -5
if you deciding which bot to use, i will say Rayker is better at midrange, Mercury better at close quarter.
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Post by reckless1 on Nov 7, 2019 0:39:26 GMT -5
A leveled mercury's HD can pretty much erase a rayker.
No contest.
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Post by Pulse Hadron on Nov 7, 2019 1:30:07 GMT -5
Since the weapons have range and Rayker is faster and it’s built in weapon has range, the Rayker will win by keeping its distance. Mercury won’t be able to get close enough to use hell dive while repeatedly being suppressed which also causes significant damage.
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Post by Fry on Nov 7, 2019 4:36:38 GMT -5
Rayker
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Post by raidenii on Nov 7, 2019 11:13:26 GMT -5
Seems to be a mixed result. Rayker is overall a more powerful bot then the Mercury. I get consistently more kills than the Mercury all the time. Just one match a few moments ago, I took out 2 Inquisitors, 1 Spectre and a Ares, in just that one Rayker, CQC.
Rayker is just way under appreciated. I've tried countless times, same load out , L12 Avenger with L8 Shredders, it is just not working out for the Mercury. Putting the same load out on the Rayker, it kicks ?multiple dookie delivery chute?. The suppression ability is just powerful and you have 3 at your disposal, only 10 seconds to recharge. I brawl with my Rayker, it takes on Bulwarks, Fenrirs and Falcons , head to head, no problem. With glance ability, Ares, AJs, Spectres, Mercuries, Inquisitors, or just about any bots, they stand no chance at all. Even if these bots has PS/AC, I can always wait for it to cool off, then hit the ability again. Overall, the firepower of the Rayker is higher than the Mercury due to it's 3 suppression abilities. I probably would need to level up the Shredders higher if I am gonna use them on the Mercury. Currently Mercury runs on L12 Leadhouse.
The Rayker is probably the best bot other than the Blitz for the Alien bots. The glance hits 600m away too, great for helping out your blues. Inquisitors, Mercuries, Spectres, Stalker and Lokies in stealth, you do not need Quantum Radar to kill them, it is just low to the ground. It has 60km/h speed at L9, fast.
Yesterday...I had a Bulgasari/Scourge just beside me. LOL....I immediately hugged him, almost climbing over it's shoulders. I was moving left and right, no chance for him to take proper aim at all. Finished him off in seconds...that was so funny.
I like both bots, they are always in my hanger. But if you are going to build one in WS, the Rayker is the one you should go for, it is cheaper too.
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Post by raidenii on Nov 7, 2019 11:22:32 GMT -5
A leveled mercury's HD can pretty much erase a rayker. No contest. BUT, if the Rayker suppressed the Mercury before the Mercury jumps, the Mercury is done in that battle, no contest at all, even if it is still in Stealth. The Suppression is 5 seconds long, if the Rayker needs more firepower, there are 2 more charges for it to use. That's how I do it especially on 1 V 1.
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Post by teraflx on Nov 7, 2019 11:23:35 GMT -5
I actually faced a Rayker this morning in my Mercury. At the end of the battle I noticed his weapons and bot were just a tiny higher than my Mercury. I helldived on him and did some initial damage and started shot gunning him and then when my stealth wore off he tried to suppress me but I run AC so it was a no go. He was running advance healing so he healed back up quite a bit and I had to hit my regular heal button to stay afloat. His suppression came back around and he did get me this time. We were on moon at one of the beacons so we had those metal things to dance around as we fought each other. I manager to stay alive long enough to get him one last time with my helldive and killed it barely.
It was really close. Either one of us would have won if the other didn't have advanced healing or AC. Hats off to him whoever he was (Cant remember his name), nothing like a good close battle like that.
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Post by Phycoshot on Nov 7, 2019 11:28:13 GMT -5
Huh, while I do agree that the rayker is really good, you are also not using the strongest weapons for the mercury, the mercury is meant to be up in people's faces. And what bots can easily survive a HD and the weapons as well without last stand? Leech ,(only in it's ability) T-Falcon, Ao guang in flight, fenrir, and maybe phantom? rayker could keep suppressing while keeping it's distance but on dead city unless you run Quantum Radar you can't suppress him before he jumps. My own opinions and thoughts
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Post by raidenii on Nov 7, 2019 11:30:26 GMT -5
I run Last Stand, SB, Armor Expert and Mechanic skills on it due to it's low HP.
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Post by Phycoshot on Nov 7, 2019 11:31:40 GMT -5
A leveled mercury's HD can pretty much erase a rayker. No contest. BUT, if the Rayker suppressed the Mercury before the Mercury jumps, the Mercury is done in that battle, no contest at all, even if it is still in Stealth. The Suppression is 5 seconds long, if the Rayker needs more firepower, there are 2 more charges for it to use. That's how I do it especially on 1 V 1. You also have to take into account the map, larger ones yes, but on ones such as dead city there is no chance for that.
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Post by raidenii on Nov 7, 2019 11:36:09 GMT -5
Huh, while I do agree that the rayker is really good, you are also not using the strongest weapons for the mercury, the mercury is meant to be up in people's faces. And what bots can easily survive a HD and the weapons as well without last stand? Leech ,(only in it's ability) T-Falcon, Ao guang in flight, fenrir, and maybe phantom? rayker could keep suppressing while keeping it's distance but on dead city unless you run Quantum Radar you can't suppress him before he jumps. My own opinions and thoughts You need to face a Rayker in order to know how powerful it can be. Once a bot is suppressed by it , as long as it is not a tank, the bot will be melted in seconds. I've killed full health T-Fals with it. Why I like Rayker over the Mercury better is because I don't have to hide all the time, I just go head on to enemy bots. Whenever I see another Rayker...and I am not in one, better to just run away. lol.
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Post by Phycoshot on Nov 7, 2019 11:41:35 GMT -5
Huh, while I do agree that the rayker is really good, you are also not using the strongest weapons for the mercury, the mercury is meant to be up in people's faces. And what bots can easily survive a HD and the weapons as well without last stand? Leech ,(only in it's ability) T-Falcon, Ao guang in flight, fenrir, and maybe phantom? rayker could keep suppressing while keeping it's distance but on dead city unless you run Quantum Radar you can't suppress him before he jumps. My own opinions and thoughts You need to face a Rayker in order to know how powerful it can be. Once a bot is suppressed by it , as long as it is not a tank, the bot will be melted in seconds. I've killed full health T-Fals with it. Why I like Rayker over the Mercury better is because I don't have to hide all the time, I just go head on to enemy bots. Whenever I see another Rayker...and I am not in one, better to just run away. lol. I don't know if they were playing them badly but I have face many raykers with my mercury and they always go smoosh. Then against suppression you have phase shift, or if I can lock you down even if I am suppressed I can jump and then only slam down after it wears off. And then there is what my clanmate runs, he has a halo glory mercury with phase shift and 3 maxed anticontrols, so you can't lock him, or suppress him. Wish we could do a custom battle for comparison but platforms...
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Post by no pain 80 on Nov 7, 2019 11:55:32 GMT -5
Depends on the map. Small maps it's Merc without a doubt. Large maps it's a draw IMO, but depends on skills and modules. I agree. It depends on the map, pilot skills and modules. On short maps, mercury has the advantage of ambushing rayker. On long maps, rayker will not let mercury approach close. With AC on both bots, their abilities are a bit useless: rayker will be unable to suppress mercury, and mercury is not likely to helldive on a highly mobile rayker. With Quantum Radar on rayker, mercury will not take full advantage of its stealth. They have identical HP (mercury can equip healing module though), and by choice identical weapons (their damage output might vary though). It will be a close call, but I voted for mercury mainly because by choice of active modules mercury will be on slight advantage.
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Post by Phycoshot on Nov 7, 2019 12:03:58 GMT -5
Depends on the map. Small maps it's Merc without a doubt. Large maps it's a draw IMO, but depends on skills and modules. I agree. It depends on the map, pilot skills and modules. On short maps, mercury has the advantage of ambushing rayker. On long maps, rayker will not let mercury approach close. With AC on both bots, their abilities are a bit useless: rayker will be unable to suppress mercury, and mercury is not likely to helldive on a highly mobile rayker. With Quantum Radar on rayker, mercury will not take full advantage of its stealth. They have identical HP (mercury can equip healing module though), and by choice identical weapons (their damage output might vary though). It will be a close call, but I voted for mercury mainly because by choice of active modules mercury will be on slight advantage. Triple AC, lol
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Post by raidenii on Nov 7, 2019 12:59:11 GMT -5
Yes, would be great to have a custom battle. But, putting aside modules and skills, the Rayker will beat the Mercury anytime. It's 3 ability charges is enough to kill the Mercury. The Mercury might jump and escape the first glance, but once it lands and it gets hit by the 2nd glance, the Mercury will be killed in seconds. I remember there was once on carrier map, this Spectre got suppressed before he did the jump over my head. By the time he landed, he got glanced again, gone in less than 2 seconds.
I will try to get footage of how good the Rayker is as a silent and aggressive bot. I have a lot of fun piloting this little spider. I tried recording using the Windows 10 game recoder, it lags the whole game.
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Post by raidenii on Nov 7, 2019 13:08:52 GMT -5
You need to face a Rayker in order to know how powerful it can be. Once a bot is suppressed by it , as long as it is not a tank, the bot will be melted in seconds. I've killed full health T-Fals with it. Why I like Rayker over the Mercury better is because I don't have to hide all the time, I just go head on to enemy bots. Whenever I see another Rayker...and I am not in one, better to just run away. lol. I don't know if they were playing them badly but I have face many raykers with my mercury and they always go smoosh. Then against suppression you have phase shift, or if I can lock you down even if I am suppressed I can jump and then only slam down after it wears off. And then there is what my clanmate runs, he has a halo glory mercury with phase shift and 3 maxed anticontrols, so you can't lock him, or suppress him. Wish we could do a custom battle for comparison but platforms... Btw...I was saying with the kind of weapons used Avenger L9 and Shredders L8 , the Rayker at L9 is more powerful than the Mercury at L9. Tried using Mercury to take down tanks with that setup, no way it can do it with ease. So to get a Mercury to be competitive, you need to level it higher, better modules and high leveled weapons. Meaning you will need to spend more resources for leveling up. The Rayker is one level lower than Mercury, cheaper to upgrade too. And don't get me wrong, I love both bots, they are my favourites in the game.
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Post by Phycoshot on Nov 7, 2019 13:17:52 GMT -5
I don't know if they were playing them badly but I have face many raykers with my mercury and they always go smoosh. Then against suppression you have phase shift, or if I can lock you down even if I am suppressed I can jump and then only slam down after it wears off. And then there is what my clanmate runs, he has a halo glory mercury with phase shift and 3 maxed anticontrols, so you can't lock him, or suppress him. Wish we could do a custom battle for comparison but platforms... Btw...I was saying with the kind of weapons used Avenger L9 and Shredders L8 , the Rayker at L9 is more powerful than the Mercury at L9. Tried using Mercury to take down tanks with that setup, no way it can do it with ease. So to get a Mercury to be competitive, you need to level it higher, better modules and high leveled weapons. Meaning you will need to spend more resources for leveling up. The Rayker is one level lower than Mercury, cheaper to upgrade too. And don't get me wrong, I love both bots, they are my favourites in the game. It might just be me then, I have mine at lv9 with maxed Last Stand and NR, got a lv40 pilot on it, and it is probably the most effective bot I have. And that is why that setup is ideal for tanks, you need massive damage output at close range. But the rayker doesn't need to be close range for it's ability so it's good to have longer ranged weapons on it. If I had to build something now in the game it would not be the mercury, I got mine around the spectre nerf, and the rayker is something I would consider when starting over.
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Post by no pain 80 on Nov 7, 2019 13:37:52 GMT -5
I use my mercury with glory loadout for close quarter combat. I dont own a rayker, but played a shredder viper build in a skirmish, and loved it. It is an excellent support bot, and could take the role of an ambusher/assasin with the proper combinations of pilots, modules and weapons. I would probably build one if I had the resources.
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Post by reckless1 on Nov 7, 2019 13:46:39 GMT -5
What league and platform are you in OP? If you're killing full health t fals you sure aren't in middle or upper champ.
With PS I have zero fear of any rayker.. One gets me now and then in my Ares by surprise but much more often I hit them with retribution and they are left crippled or dead without harming me at all. Ao Jun laughs and melts them. I faced one in my brand new phantom last night on dreadnought. Despite my inexperience in that bot and modest level I tore him apart.
You just don't see LL players using raykers. Mercury is a bit of a has been now but rayker is a never was.
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Post by raidenii on Nov 7, 2019 13:49:29 GMT -5
Btw...I was saying with the kind of weapons used Avenger L9 and Shredders L8 , the Rayker at L9 is more powerful than the Mercury at L9. Tried using Mercury to take down tanks with that setup, no way it can do it with ease. So to get a Mercury to be competitive, you need to level it higher, better modules and high leveled weapons. Meaning you will need to spend more resources for leveling up. The Rayker is one level lower than Mercury, cheaper to upgrade too. And don't get me wrong, I love both bots, they are my favourites in the game. It might just be me then, I have mine at lv9 with maxed Last Stand and NR, got a lv40 pilot on it, and it is probably the most effective bot I have. And that is why that setup is ideal for tanks, you need massive damage output at close range. But the rayker doesn't need to be close range for it's ability so it's good to have longer ranged weapons on it. If I had to build something now in the game it would not be the mercury, I got mine around the spectre nerf, and the rayker is something I would consider when starting over. I am building another Rayker soon...just love using it.
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Post by #1 worst pilot on Nov 7, 2019 13:59:11 GMT -5
I somewhat agree because i like the rayker, but alot comes down to the pilot. I have killed plenty, but i have used my merc since the day i got it, i know when to jump, when NOT to jump, where, which bots to go after, etc. A decent amount of merc pilots i have seen out there are sloppy, might get a kill or two with it, but otherwise use it to break up an ares train, cluster damage, etc. Without ps, Last Stand, and a good route out, jumping in means death. One on one, same build, mods, comparable skills, etc, depending on map, good possibility i could finish the altercation with minimal damage. Not at all saying it would happen, but out of all my bots, other than my blitz, i can hold my own against way higher leveled bots and meta because i am extremely comfortable in it and spent a year+ piloting it every match. But like i said, if i don't kill it, i left it barely alive. Wins a win, no matter how ugly.
I am building a rayker though
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Post by raidenii on Nov 7, 2019 14:52:20 GMT -5
What league and platform are you in OP? If you're killing full health t fals you sure aren't in middle or upper champ. With PS I have zero fear of any rayker.. One gets me now and then in my Ares by surprise but much more often I hit them with retribution and they are left crippled or dead without harming me at all. Ao Jun laughs and melts them. I faced one in my brand new phantom last night on dreadnought. Despite my inexperience in that bot and modest level I tore him apart. You just don't see LL players using raykers. Mercury is a bit of a has been now but rayker is a never was. I am in Champions League , lower league in FBGR. BUT, meeting death squads (MK2 stuff), the Rayker can still hold it's own, sometimes getting one or 2 kills. If not. it will bring an Ao Jun or Ares down to their Last Stand. People really under estimated this little spider. Building another Ao Jun currently. Then will build another Rayker. 2 x AJs, 2 x Rayker and one mystery fun bot for the hanger.
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