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Post by overlordomega on Mar 13, 2017 22:26:53 GMT -5
What Natasha set-up is effective and affordable? Right now I'm restricted to 5 mil silver, 5k workshop points, and 100 gold. Right now my set-up is Natasha Level 7- x2 Level 6 Tridents, Level 7 Aphid, and Level 8 Ecu.
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Post by frunobulax on Mar 14, 2017 6:27:04 GMT -5
Your ranges are all messed up. Natasha is best used as sniper or midrange robot. Tridents are fine, but what's the Ecu for? And that Aphid, with Tridents you seriously hope to stay at distance of 550m to your target, so if the battle goes well you'll never use those Aphids. Here is what works well, IMO. There are two kinds of setup, one where you just hit the fire button, and one where you have to make sure you fire only the right weapons. The first kind of setups are: - Zeus Molot is the one setup I run on occasions. Still prefer Zeus Carnage, but the Molots add some additional abilities on maps like Canyon where you can fire from 700m out. And Zeus will only fire if target is locked within 600m.
- Trident Pin works great as budget alternative to Trident Fury.
- Nashorns aren't the most effective weapons, but if you lack Trebuchets you can use them as long range alternative. Nashorn Molot or Nashorn Gekko Natasha work well, too.
- Trident Spiral could also work, but I'm not a big fan of Spirals.
Here are the setups where you have to be careful with firing: - Trebuchet Gekko Natasha is a good sniper robot, but make sure you can fire those Gekkos independently from the Trebs as they are not effective if fired every 3 seconds.
- Trident Molot is similar to Zeus Molot, but you have to make sure to fire Tridents only if target is within 620m..
I'm not a big fan of any Thunder setups, as Natasha is too slow for knife fighting.
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Post by ou812gr8m8 on Mar 14, 2017 6:32:54 GMT -5
^ Agree.
There's not much point having an ECU or Aphid on a long-range Natasha.
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Post by gr3ygh05t on Mar 14, 2017 10:44:02 GMT -5
Poor man's fury is the best setup (2 tridents and pins)
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Post by Big Jake on Mar 14, 2017 13:14:53 GMT -5
Don't waste your money and time on a Natasha it will be obsolete in the upper tiers. Save your money and get a Griff, Carnage. You won't do enough damage or be fast enough for beacons so you'll never be in the gold! Take a look at the legends league players, those bots and weapons are what you should be getting.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 13:56:55 GMT -5
Don't waste your money and time on a Natasha it will be obsolete in the upper tiers. Save your money and get a Griff, Carnage. You won't do enough damage or be fast enough for beacons so you'll never be in the gold! Take a look at the legends league players, those bots and weapons are what you should be getting. A Trident Pin Natasha is a worthy alternative of a Fury
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Post by shaolinrogue on Mar 15, 2017 2:13:48 GMT -5
Don't waste your money and time on a Natasha it will be obsolete in the upper tiers. Save your money and get a Griff, Carnage. You won't do enough damage or be fast enough for beacons so you'll never be in the gold! Take a look at the legends league players, those bots and weapons are what you should be getting. A Trident Pin Natasha is a worthy alternative of a Fury Especially if you plan on Having a Trident Fury in the future. Not only will you be able to use and level your weapons while you wait but using a Trident Pin Natasha now will probably make you a better Trident Fury pilot down the road. I used that setup while saving for my second Carnage and had no trouble keeping up with my Clanmates Trident Fury. You will be closer in than the other 600m midranges so so your Tridents will reach targets out of range of theirs. Staggering the fire of your Tridents then the Pins is a great defense against rushers (Gary & Stalker Pilots!) waiting for a reload cycle to advance.
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Post by SGT D00M! on Mar 15, 2017 6:31:58 GMT -5
^ Agree. There's not much point having an ECU or Aphid on a long-range Natasha. I was actually having a lot of success with an Aphid/Thunder Tash. Lob aphids till red got angry and ran around the wall to get you, and found themselves melted quick by double lvl 9 thunders at 100m or less. Died pretty darn quick when caught in the open though...
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Post by SGT D00M! on Mar 15, 2017 6:33:59 GMT -5
My favorite Tash setups are Trident/Pins and Zeus/gekko. Molots can be substituted for gekkos on a budget (I do this with my current account).
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Post by frunobulax on Mar 15, 2017 8:25:52 GMT -5
A Trident Pin Natasha is a worthy alternative of a Fury Many players haven't re-evaluated Natty after the speed buff. I find Trident Molot Natty to be an interesting alternative to Trident Fury, because against other Trident Furys you can stay at 700m and use your Molots.
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Post by ou812gr8m8 on Mar 15, 2017 8:56:05 GMT -5
^ Agree. There's not much point having an ECU or Aphid on a long-range Natasha. I was actually having a lot of success with an Aphid/Thunder Tash. Lob aphids till red got angry and ran around the wall to get you, and found themselves melted quick by double lvl 9 thunders at 100m or less. Died pretty darn quick when caught in the open though... Fair enough, but I did say "long range".
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Mar 15, 2017 9:19:12 GMT -5
What Natasha set-up is effective and affordable? Right now I'm restricted to 5 mil silver, 5k workshop points, and 100 gold. Right now my set-up is Natasha Level 7- x2 Level 6 Tridents, Level 7 Aphid, and Level 8 Ecu. Where you are, you can experiment a little, and not drastically change the game. Setups that most would agree work on Natty: 2x Tridents + 2x Pins 2x Tridents + 2x Molots 2x Zeus + 2x Molots 2x Zeus + 2x Pins 2x Nashorn + 2x Gekko 2x Nashorn + 2x Molots 2x Trebs + 2x Gekko 2x Trebs + 2x Molots The Nashorn actually has a higher DPM than the Treb, and is used more as an anti-Fury or anti-Sniper build, but is quite versatile, even against Griffs in the air, since a whle ago it was buffed so that the shell velocity is very similar to the Kang Dae (it used to be slow enough to dodge) and its reload time is the shortest of the sniper weapons. I, personally, like a different build. But no one cares lol. Those will do you the most good, starting out. Cheapest one would be the Nashorn + Molots.... but most effective would prolly be the Trident versions, with the Zeus close behind... if not actually pulling into an equal spot.
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Post by shaolinrogue on Mar 15, 2017 9:54:53 GMT -5
A Trident Pin Natasha is a worthy alternative of a Fury Many players haven't re-evaluated Natty after the speed buff. I find Trident Molot Natty to be an interesting alternative to Trident Fury, because against other Trident Furys you can stay at 700m and use your Molots. Molots! Love em! The secret answer to the dreaded "oh's no's a midrange Fury!" Can't wait for the accelerated fire mechanic to go live.... muahahaha!
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Post by frunobulax on Mar 15, 2017 10:32:11 GMT -5
Yeah. Treb Furys still cause trouble, but as Natasha can be upgraded rapidly I might at least get her up to 30 speed.
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Post by SGT D00M! on Mar 15, 2017 11:04:44 GMT -5
Don't waste your money and time on a Natasha it will be obsolete in the upper tiers. Save your money and get a Griff, Carnage. You won't do enough damage or be fast enough for beacons so you'll never be in the gold! Take a look at the legends league players, those bots and weapons are what you should be getting. This isn't directed Big Jake but this type of reponse is a huge pet peeve. A: per the OP, he is fairly new with limited resources. The Fury, Lances and Plasmahads that run legend leagye are not really options for him. B: like them or not, Natasha's are near meta currently and very much worth upgrading till it can be replaced with a Fury.
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Post by gr3ygh05t on Mar 15, 2017 12:21:28 GMT -5
Yeah. Treb Furys still cause trouble, but as Natasha can be upgraded rapidly I might at least get her up to 30 speed. Along with the Leo, the Tasha benefits a lot not from the increased health during upgrades but from the increased speed. Capping beacons on a Tasha is still pain even at 30
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Post by frunobulax on Mar 15, 2017 14:16:59 GMT -5
Don't waste your money and time on a Natasha it will be obsolete in the upper tiers. Just have a look at the numbers: You need 4.3 days of upgrading time and 10.7 mil silver to get a level 10 Natasha. In the cosmic scheme of things, that's nothing. One average 12/12 robots will need about 70 days of upgrade time and more than 250mil. So, you might need some light weapons on the Natty that is not part of the meta. If we assume a pair of Pins (that could go on a RDB Griff too) that's another 9 days of upgrade time and 20 mil, but you can stop at level 8 or so if you like. If you upgrade only what you'll need in higher tiers, you'll have a very inferior/mismatched hangar for half a year or so. And this assumes that the meta doesn't change. Chances are you'll spend 10-50 times as much on something that will be nerfed down the road. Me, I use a system that I spend about 90-95% of my upgrade time on "endgame stuff", weapons/robots that I expect to use in a TT hangar too. The remaining 5-10% I use for "recreational" robots and weapons.
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Post by Vectivus on Mar 15, 2017 14:54:04 GMT -5
I concur with the Trident / Pins 'Tasha. One of my favorite set-ups.
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Post by Rippington Steele on Mar 15, 2017 15:14:32 GMT -5
Call me crazy, but I run a knife fighter Natasha (currently level 7) with 2x Thunders (currently level 8) and 2x Mags (currently level 7). I slug my way out of the spawn region and usually catch more than a fair amount of damage, crushing Carnage dreams of glory as I deflate their petty shields as my yellow mags and blue compatriots wreak havoc on their delicate outer armor. I destroy all stalkers and geps in that thing, and I've given my fair share of DB's, and PDB's a run for their money, both Griffin and Rhino. Leos want no part of my twin canons of destruction. I have pelted the frameworks of many an unsuspecting aphid Patton sending them to reconsider their priorities from the depths of an early robot grave, and I have even slain a good number of mechs who carried their fancy British shields to the battlefield to little avail, in hopes to deter my slaughter fest.
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Post by SGT D00M! on Mar 15, 2017 15:54:27 GMT -5
Thunder Tasha's do alot of damage <100m but a good pdb pilot will stay farther out and melt it quick.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Mar 15, 2017 15:57:03 GMT -5
Call me crazy, but I run a knife fighter Natasha (currently level 7) with 2x Thunders (currently level 8) and 2x Mags (currently level 7). I slug my way out of the spawn region and usually catch more than a fair amount of damage, crushing Carnage dreams of glory as I deflate their petty shields as my yellow mags and blue compatriots reek havoc on their delicate outer armor. I destroy all stalkers and geps in that thing, and I've given my fair share of DB's, and PDB's a run for their money, both Griffin and Rhino. Leos want no part of my twin canons of destruction. I have pelted the frameworks of many an unsuspecting aphid patton sending them to reconsider their priorities from the depths of an early robot grave, and I have even slain a good number of mechs who carried their fancy British shields to the battlefield to little avail, in hopes to deter my slaughter fest. Can you please write all your posts like this! Love it!
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Post by dms12008 on Mar 15, 2017 18:46:32 GMT -5
If I saw u in a Natasha w tridents, aphid+ecu I would hella push u off the cliff. Plz match up your weapon ranges better and consider that if you stay alive for an entire match, then the ecu shield was useless bc u could have been doing more damage instead the whole time instead of just being excessively defensive. Y put a melee shield on a bot that's supposed to b sitting back and sniping out of range of other bots? If u want my advice I would say try out tulu/pin griffin
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Post by shaolinrogue on Mar 15, 2017 18:49:58 GMT -5
Yeah. Treb Furys still cause trouble, but as Natasha can be upgraded rapidly I might at least get her up to 30 speed. Speaking of sticking it to Treb. Snipers. Lancelot with Nash/Kang or Treb with Dual Molot MkIIs until they make medium Gekkos.... untouchable beyond 650m. Saw a Nash-Mo-Lot on the test server, boy did he mess reds game up lol
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Post by shaolinrogue on Mar 15, 2017 18:52:21 GMT -5
Call me crazy, but I run a knife fighter Natasha (currently level 7) with 2x Thunders (currently level 8) and 2x Mags (currently level 7). I slug my way out of the spawn region and usually catch more than a fair amount of damage, crushing Carnage dreams of glory as I deflate their petty shields as my yellow mags and blue compatriots reek havoc on their delicate outer armor. I destroy all stalkers and geps in that thing, and I've given my fair share of DB's, and PDB's a run for their money, both Griffin and Rhino. Leos want no part of my twin canons of destruction. I have pelted the frameworks of many an unsuspecting aphid patton sending them to reconsider their priorities from the depths of an early robot grave, and I have even slain a good number of mechs who carried their fancy British shields to the battlefield to little avail, in hopes to deter my slaughter fest. I believe the moral of this story is.... Don't try to attack Russian women... it won't end well for you
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Post by SGT D00M! on Mar 15, 2017 19:29:21 GMT -5
If I saw u in a Natasha w tridents, aphid+ecu I would hella push u off the cliff. Plz match up your weapon ranges better and consider that if you stay alive for an entire match, then the ecu shield was useless bc u could have been doing more damage instead the whole time instead of just being excessively defensive. Y put a melee shield on a bot that's supposed to b sitting back and sniping out of range of other bots? If u want my advice I would say try out tulu/pin griffin Your bad spelling does not cover yet another unprovoked personal attack. Give it a rest, it's annoying and not at all helpful.
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Post by Pilot Moby_dic on Mar 15, 2017 20:22:56 GMT -5
What Natasha set-up is effective and affordable? Right now I'm restricted to 5 mil silver, 5k workshop points, and 100 gold. Right now my set-up is Natasha Level 7- x2 Level 6 Tridents, Level 7 Aphid, and Level 8 Ecu. Can we have a picture of this 'strange bot found in the wild' :-)
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Post by moody on Mar 15, 2017 21:11:35 GMT -5
Yeah. Treb Furys still cause trouble, but as Natasha can be upgraded rapidly I might at least get her up to 30 speed. The Natasha has a hidden extra benefit. One of the cheapest and quickest bots (aside from most lights) to get up to 12. I have started the upgrade to 8. within a couple of days it will be at 10. (not going beyond that just yet). As for setup. I have tried poor mans fury and it takes me too close to the action. I ended up putting a pair of molots on, just so I am not tempted to get too close. Now need the stop the temptation of remaining in the open too long. It works reasonably well with molot / trident. especially with the molots being able to do a bit of ancille take down. Generally I am saving my tridents for carnage or future fury. I tried the three big long ranges at varying levels. Trebs are too difficult to use with molots but would otherwise I think be best. Kang Dae is SLOW!. Nashhorn / KWK is what I have settled on. Plays very nicely with the molots (just the big red button) and fires at full strength regularly. If anyone can handle the slowness of the Kang Dae - it is also cheap and quick to upgrade. I prefer the nash though.
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Post by a203 on Mar 17, 2017 0:21:53 GMT -5
^ Agree. There's not much point having an ECU or Aphid on a long-range Natasha. i currently use the aphid/treb tasha and its actually quite effective considering how often the enemy charges at me straight on when i play the aphid/treb tasha. The aphid is mostly used to take down mediums and heavies charging at me without going to cover.
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Post by whatttupG on Mar 17, 2017 0:36:39 GMT -5
Budget Tasha.. yep.. know it well.
So if you have tridents, add some pins and at least you have a 500/600 mid-range build. I haven't tried molots but the idea is valid, this would let you be 800/600, and a bit further away. ECU and aphids are not what you want at all, anything close enough to see that is gonna stomp you outright quick. I don't own trebs or geckos so I can't say if this is a useful build.. but.. given there are not too many useful builds mathematically possible on a bot that is itself, not too useful, maybe see how a trident pin build fits for now and go from there.
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Post by [ita]SirKenzoY2J on May 27, 2017 13:07:22 GMT -5
Natasha Zeus + Spirals, name it please. That's 600m setup, but what's the name?
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