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Post by gr3ygh05t on Mar 14, 2017 10:37:38 GMT -5
You would be comparing the Doc and Butch with the Galahad, Carnage and Rhino. Although the Tulumbas Doc and Trebuchet Butch are nice build, those are the only build you can use without being near-useless. Hydra Doc? Trident Butch? Orkan Doc?
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Post by mijapi300 on Mar 14, 2017 10:41:42 GMT -5
You would be comparing the Doc and Butch with the Galahad, Carnage and Rhino. Although the Tulumbas Doc and Trebuchet Butch are nice build, those are the only build you can use without being near-useless. Have they reduced the cooldown time of the ability? I would think Aphid Jesse or Pinata Jesse would be fairly effective if you could fire a salvo every 5 seconds. Last I heard the ability cooldown was like 20 seconds or something crazy useless like that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 10:43:38 GMT -5
You would be comparing the Doc and Butch with the Galahad, Carnage and Rhino. Although the Tulumbas Doc and Trebuchet Butch are nice build, those are the only build you can use without being near-useless. Hydra Doc? Trident Butch? Orkan Doc? Trident Butch is worse than Trident Fury in every way. Orkan Doc can be good in the right situations, but I imagine hard to play. Hydra Doc wins award for 'most annoying bot ever' but I'm not sure how impactful it is.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 10:53:12 GMT -5
You would be comparing the Doc and Butch with the Galahad, Carnage and Rhino. Although the Tulumbas Doc and Trebuchet Butch are nice build, those are the only build you can use without being near-useless. Have they reduced the cooldown time of the ability? I would think Aphid Jesse or Pinata Jesse would be fairly effective if you could fire a salvo every 5 seconds. Last I heard the ability cooldown was like 20 seconds or something crazy useless like that. Jesse has a cooldown of 10 seconds, which is basically an Aphid Patton. Aphid Pattons are dying out.
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Post by gr3ygh05t on Mar 14, 2017 10:55:55 GMT -5
This is all conjecture. The only way to see if the wild bunch bots would really impact meta is if it were made available to the general public.
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Post by mijapi300 on Mar 14, 2017 10:58:21 GMT -5
Have they reduced the cooldown time of the ability? I would think Aphid Jesse or Pinata Jesse would be fairly effective if you could fire a salvo every 5 seconds. Last I heard the ability cooldown was like 20 seconds or something crazy useless like that. Jesse has a cooldown of 10 seconds, which is basically an Aphid Patton. Aphid Pattons are dying out. Ah, makes sense. I wish they would undo the Aphid nerf. I never got to use them when they had the more effective flight path ??
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 11:06:07 GMT -5
Jesse has a cooldown of 10 seconds, which is basically an Aphid Patton. Aphid Pattons are dying out. Ah, makes sense. I wish they would undo the Aphid nerf. I never got to use them when they had the more effective flight path ?? Aphids were worse than Tridents before. Every long range map was an Trident shooting gallery and every close range maps were Aphid lobbing contests. You don't want to go back, trust me.
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Post by mijapi300 on Mar 14, 2017 11:20:12 GMT -5
Ah, makes sense. I wish they would undo the Aphid nerf. I never got to use them when they had the more effective flight path ?? Aphids were worse than Tridents before. Every long range map was an Trident shooting gallery and every close range maps were Aphid lobbing contests. You don't want to go back, trust me. Well I don't mind Tridents as much as most do, so maybe I wouldn't mind the Aphids? I think I was still a silver tier player when they nerfed them. So I never saw many on either team.
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Post by SGT D00M! on Mar 14, 2017 11:49:42 GMT -5
I don't consider Diamond TT, but it's close enough to see what the "almost" TT bots are.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 11:55:15 GMT -5
Aphids were worse than Tridents before. Every long range map was an Trident shooting gallery and every close range maps were Aphid lobbing contests. You don't want to go back, trust me. Well I don't mind Tridents as much as most do, so maybe I wouldn't mind the Aphids? I think I was still a silver tier player when they nerfed them. So I never saw many on either team. That figures. The thing is, every single time you move from cover, you would have 5-6 Aphid circles coming at you and 3/4s of your health would be gone, depending on the bot you have.
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Post by SGT D00M! on Mar 14, 2017 13:01:03 GMT -5
The thing I liked about the aphids pre-nerf was that they made several light and medium bots relevant again, as they could dodgebthem and heavies could not. I still use aphids though.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 13:24:52 GMT -5
The thing I liked about the aphids pre-nerf was that they made several light and medium bots relevant again, as they could dodgebthem and heavies could not. I still use aphids though. But then again, Aphids made the use of literally all light weapons obsolete.
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Post by gr3ygh05t on Mar 14, 2017 13:58:45 GMT -5
Well I don't mind Tridents as much as most do, so maybe I wouldn't mind the Aphids? I think I was still a silver tier player when they nerfed them. So I never saw many on either team. That figures. The thing is, every single time you move from cover, you would have 5-6 Aphid circles coming at you and 3/4s of your health would be gone, depending on the bot you have. Ditto. You can only pull that dodge trick so much that eventually by attrition you will fall leaving you with the choice of either trying to engage or disengage.
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Post by SlowReflexes on Mar 14, 2017 17:26:00 GMT -5
That figures. The thing is, every single time you move from cover, you would have 5-6 Aphid circles coming at you and 3/4s of your health would be gone, depending on the bot you have. Ditto. You can only pull that dodge trick so much that eventually by attrition you will fall leaving you with the choice of either trying to engage or disengage. Good luck dodging aphids from two enemies 90deg apart.
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Post by SGT D00M! on Mar 14, 2017 21:27:51 GMT -5
Raijin, Gareth, and Stalker are the hardest bots to quantify by Value to Top Tier.
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Post by mijapi300 on Mar 14, 2017 21:31:15 GMT -5
Raijin, Gareth, and Stalker are the hardest bots to quantify by Value to Top Tier. Is this bait? Because I'm biting.
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Post by mijapi300 on Mar 14, 2017 21:35:13 GMT -5
Ditto. You can only pull that dodge trick so much that eventually by attrition you will fall leaving you with the choice of either trying to engage or disengage. Good luck dodging aphids from two enemies 90deg apart. Hold my beer, watch this.
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Post by SGT D00M! on Nov 10, 2017 2:08:57 GMT -5
All hail the necromancer!
That being said, how do the new Dash Bots and Inquisitor fall on the list?
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Post by TravLar on Nov 10, 2017 2:53:58 GMT -5
All hail the necromancer! That being said, how do the new Dash Bots and Inquisitor fall on the list? A very valid reawakening of this thread IMO
From what I've dealt with 'cos I don't have any DIESS gear: Shocktrain Bulgasari > Orkan Haechi > Taran Haechi > Ember Taran Lance > Ember Taran Inquisitor > ... > Ecu Cossack (being the bottom end of the scale)
But I'm guessing a bit, interested in what others have to say.
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Post by BooBooKitty on Nov 10, 2017 9:33:40 GMT -5
New list:
1. Haechi 2. Haechi 3. Haechi 5. Haechi 6. Haechi 7. Bulgasari
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Post by Estoplast on Nov 10, 2017 9:52:05 GMT -5
Don't forget Cossack. For events and tanking.
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Post by Humunculus on Nov 10, 2017 11:54:04 GMT -5
Rog at 14? No love for Rog...
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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on Nov 10, 2017 12:12:48 GMT -5
A very valid reawakening of this thread IMO
From what I've dealt with 'cos I don't have any DIESS gear: Shocktrain Bulgasari > Orkan Haechi > Taran Haechi > Ember Taran Lance > Ember Taran Inquisitor > ... > Ecu Cossack (being the bottom end of the scale)
But I'm guessing a bit, interested in what others have to say.
I disagree on the ember-taran-lancelot there: way too fragile in a rocket saturated environment. I'd be curious to see how a double ember mk2 carnage would fare, but alas, I've only one ember (and the carnage is at level 10) That's because of this (unstoppable, from 350 meters away, ember damage in red):
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Post by SGT D00M! on Nov 10, 2017 16:29:08 GMT -5
I think we need a starting point. Too much has changed since I made my first list (American wild west bots have become common, physical shield bots have suffered greatly, ancile shielding is king, etc)
New list (done quick, so probably has mistakes, please discuss)
1. Shutze 2. Destrier 3. Cossack 4. Gepard 5. Jesse 6. Vityaz 7. Golem 8. GI Patton 9. Stalker 10. Gareth 11. Boa 12. Kumiho 13. Rogatka 14. Doc 15. Natasha 16. Leo 17. Galahad 18. Butch 19. Fujin 20. Raijin 21. Carnage 22. Fury 23. Rhino 24. Griffin 25. Haichi 26. Lancelot 27. Inquisitor 28. Bulgasari
*Notes* I moved the Destreir over the Schutze since it still can be used as a competent beacon grabber and both are worthless for fighting above bronze league. Shield bots have suffered and the Brit bots no longer rule the roost, the Galahad being effected the most. The Rhino is an interesting question, it can be fast, has a shield and good firepower, but clumsy. I know most rate the Haichi higher. I have one and it's great, but it is still a medium. My only experience with Inquisitor and Bulgasari are on the TS. Raijin has benefited from the new game modes far more than I would have ever expected and become an almost competent bot.
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Post by Uhnonimis on Nov 10, 2017 17:57:58 GMT -5
BRRRAAAIIINNNZZZ!!!
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Post by TheWWRNerdGuy on Nov 10, 2017 18:06:21 GMT -5
I'm in champion 7 and I literally see a Cossack every game.
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Post by SGT D00M! on Nov 10, 2017 18:40:27 GMT -5
That added a lot. Trying to raise your post count?
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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on Nov 11, 2017 2:08:20 GMT -5
I'm in champion 7 and I literally see a Cossack every game. You won't anymore in two and a half days
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Post by TheWWRNerdGuy on Nov 11, 2017 2:59:46 GMT -5
I'm in champion 7 and I literally see a Cossack every game. You won't anymore in two and a half days Are you sure about that?
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Post by Uhnonimis on Nov 11, 2017 8:17:35 GMT -5
That added a lot. Trying to raise your post count? Exactly. After all, 1,000 posts gets you a free Haechi.
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