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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 7:34:54 GMT -5
TDM I understand the use.
Otherwise there are (much) better options.
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Post by skippy on Oct 16, 2019 8:31:40 GMT -5
High Level Ao Guang with Hydras and built-in weapon with Lock Down or Death Mark, not bad as squad support, plus +2.5% damage for Hydras in pilot skills. MKII the Hydras and this setup plays in Champions League.
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Post by Loganspawn on Oct 16, 2019 9:43:01 GMT -5
TDM I understand the use. Otherwise there are (much) better options. Even then a waste, normally within a couple of minutes we are sitting in the Reds spawn piling up bodies. Now I know plenty still try to camp in TDM but many like us just rush in and gut them campers. To me it is a total waste of of bot and resources.
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Post by Destroyer on Oct 16, 2019 10:18:08 GMT -5
Had a game this morning on Schenzen running a full squad of Kaos but not on comm. There’s a hydra specter on the roof of the mall targeting Ares. Everyone in my team ignored him but not me. Although it was easy enough to avoid hydras it was limiting our team movement, so I let him kill my Ares, spawned in my Ao Jun and went after him, so he jumped back into his spawn where his whole team was defending the only beacon they have. I flew after him into his spawn and this is where the magic happens None of his teammates shot at me until after I took him out, my Ao Jun just landed and vulnerable in the middle of five reds. Anyways I don’t think Josh is in the same league most of us are, since he started playing less than a year ago. Hydras may work in the lower leagues but chucking them at any high Champ is a waste of game time and guarantees your team will loose the match
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Oct 16, 2019 10:28:31 GMT -5
I am disinclined to waste a hangar spot with a mediocre build, favoring more efficient versatile peekaboo hunters such as Blitz, Pursuer, Strider, Phantom, Hellburner. Also, it is a given that 99% of the opponents I face have DR, Last Stand, PS, Advanced Repair Unit, and Aegis. I am disinclined to hide and hope not only that I can catch these guys at just the right time, but that these guys won’t close distance on me. Because of these things, I found Hydras mostly worthless compared to brawlers I can use to go hunt targets, AS WELL AS grab and guard beacons and more than likely kill those who close the gap on me. I’m not saying Hydras dont get kills, but it is an observable fact that there are far more optimal builds for Champ League combat True, there are better and more versatile options. But that's not what this thread is about. It is about the usefulness of hydras and what their strengths and weaknesses are. Perhaps you didnt read my posts. I address its weaknesses, so my replies fit right in, all cozy, like my Hellburner Snugglypoo does when it hugs a huddle of reds
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Post by cav8r on Oct 16, 2019 12:18:11 GMT -5
Yea, I like assassinating hydra-morons. Fun! Please keep using them. Yeah usually when you go for assassinations you usually lose a bot in exchange. So, in other words possibly I would still get a +1 if you failed to kill me. And usually I play smart and play with my teammates, so if you are coming after me, I'm usually with two to three other people. So that's why I said it's annoying to the red team because they are run over and commit robot suicide just to take out one person. And even then, it's possible that you might not be able to kill me and instead die in the process and I still be shooting hydras against lights Armour bots with backup. All while the suicide reds hold the beacons you can’t capp because you’re back there “usually with two or three other people” hiding behind their skirts...so much for playing SMART lol...
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Post by Wife is Pissed on Oct 16, 2019 12:18:59 GMT -5
F117 still uses a Spydra Griffin. See him regularly use it, and sometimes stay in the entire match in it. Levelled up, anything can work OK to an extent. Each to his own F117 is a little 「female dog」. All he does is hide, as he lacks the skill to brawl. I would have more respect for him if he didn't eject every time he knew he was about to die and actually allowed you to have the kill you just earned, but he's just that big of a 「meow」.
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Post by Loganspawn on Oct 16, 2019 12:34:50 GMT -5
F117 still uses a Spydra Griffin. See him regularly use it, and sometimes stay in the entire match in it. Levelled up, anything can work OK to an extent. Each to his own F117 is a little ?female dog?. All he does is hide, as he lacks the skill to brawl. I would have more respect for him if he didn't eject every time he knew he was about to die and actually allowed you to have the kill you just earned, but he's just that big of a ?meow?. OK way off track here..... lets clean it up and keep it civil. Tempers flare and flames cause burns, dont get burned. Bottom line is people can play however the game allows and we need to respect all even those who like to lose
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Post by Wife is Pissed on Oct 16, 2019 12:39:27 GMT -5
I don't respect those who eject to avoid someone earning a kill off them. The game ought to have built in mechanics to detect and prevent that dishonorable behavior, as many tasks are based around kills, and everyone ought to have the opportunity to help others and help themselves.
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Post by josh378 on Oct 16, 2019 13:45:36 GMT -5
Yeah usually when you go for assassinations you usually lose a bot in exchange. So, in other words possibly I would still get a +1 if you failed to kill me. And usually I play smart and play with my teammates, so if you are coming after me, I'm usually with two to three other people. So that's why I said it's annoying to the red team because they are run over and commit robot suicide just to take out one person. And even then, it's possible that you might not be able to kill me and instead die in the process and I still be shooting hydras against lights Armour bots with backup. All while the suicide reds hold the beacons you can’t capp because you’re back there “usually with two or three other people” hiding behind their skirts...so much for playing SMART lol... Um, so this bot is a support bot build. I do not sit in ONE corner. I am in a group who is TAKING the beacon. I have no fear of shooting a bot at 200m with a Hydra build and I have done it before and killed bots with it. Here the problem with previous hydra users. They sit in the back and shoot their rockets randomly and will not help the team. Thats not my gameplay. If I'm in a squad going for the beacon and we have a peekaboo Ares or Ao Jun, my job is to make them use their ability earlier than expected or kill them when they run away from my teammates and hide in a corner awaiting for their ability to recharge for more peekaboo fun (go and blow your PS as well to avoid that Hydra. That the point with Hydra, it is for punishing light weight bots that uses covers for recharge). Arguing about support is the same argument about people who use Mender/Weyland in a game and heal the team while in the back as support.
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Post by leecher123 on Oct 16, 2019 13:50:37 GMT -5
Leveled it on my Spectre, started to fall in love with it. Picked off an Ao Jun, killed an Ares who thought it was safe to hide...loved it. Now I see why ppl hate that build. Those same people will go get their Phantom/Pursuer/Ao Jun and hunt you down, even knowing they might loose a bot the the process. Hell, had a death clan chase me and ignore my team until I died. But it's fun to slowly kill an Ares Train hiding behind a wall or pick off an annoying sniper who is camping. What are your thoughts on it. You ARE the camper. And hydra does low damage and doesn’t cap beacon so it’s rather ineffective if you want to farm resource. It’s a real annoyance to the reds so that itself actually have a strategic value to the team, eg to incite aggressive attack and force red to make mistake, etc. However, hydra missiles can be easily avoided by turning your back to the cover and hug it. Make sure your weapon is pointing away from the wall so u can hug it real close. That way most hydra will end up hitting the top of the cover instead of your bot.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 14:45:51 GMT -5
All while the suicide reds hold the beacons you canât capp because youâre back there âusually with two or three other peopleâ hiding behind their skirts...so much for playing SMART lol... Um, so this bot is a support bot build. I do not sit in ONE corner. I am in a group who is TAKING the beacon. I have no fear of shooting a bot at 200m with a Hydra build and I have done it before and killed bots with it. Here the problem with previous hydra users. They sit in the back and shoot their rockets randomly and will not help the team. Thats not my gameplay. If I'm in a squad going for the beacon and we have a peekaboo Ares or Ao Jun, my job is to make the blow their ability earlier than expected or kill them when they run away my teammates and hide in a corner while attempting to cap the base awaiting on their cooldown (go and blow your PS as well, thats the point with Hydra punioshing light weight bots behind corners). Arguing about support is the same argument about people who use Mender/Weyland in a game and heal the team while in the back as support. If a long range wep like the Treb can 1-shot Ao Jun outta the sky, then i'd assume any midrange wep can take out ares Ao Jun in 1 salvo, 2 the most if it's one a those hard to kill nuclear war resistant roaches. Yea, i run alot of support brawlers (350-500m) and also brawl with my supports. That's the new reality. I love hearing the godlike on my Tulumbas Spec and vaporizing those cockroaches and leeches. Does it matter how we kill these cockroaches? Whether we get up close and personal and step on it with our shoe. Or we do it from a safe distance and use a can of bug spray? As long as those 「fluffernutter」ers are dead, that's what matters and they're no longer skittering about crawling all over your kitchen.
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Post by BB on Oct 16, 2019 16:13:32 GMT -5
Hydras have their place, I still have my three that I maxed, play em once in a blue moon when I feel like being a dong for a session. I play for me, nobody else. Sorry if that gets anybody’s panties in a twist. Try boxer briefs for better protection
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Post by TheDecepticonIdeal on Oct 16, 2019 16:20:20 GMT -5
I don't respect those who eject to avoid someone earning a kill off them. The game ought to have built in mechanics to detect and prevent that dishonorable behavior, as many tasks are based around kills, and everyone ought to have the opportunity to help others and help themselves. Haha lol. Little confession here. I semi-regularly eject my bots just before they're about to be killed by an enemy. There are two reasons why: 1. To save time and wanting to get back into action as soon as possible. 2. To piss off an enemy by getting them to waste their ability in an attempt to kill me while I respawn and catch them on their cooldown.
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Post by BB on Oct 16, 2019 16:29:23 GMT -5
I don't respect those who eject to avoid someone earning a kill off them. The game ought to have built in mechanics to detect and prevent that dishonorable behavior, as many tasks are based around kills, and everyone ought to have the opportunity to help others and help themselves. I do this less than 2% of the time, but the concept of honor never crosses my mind when I do it. It’s more of an intellectual decision to expedite the inevitable and move on to more challenging endeavors. btw, there is no honor in war...robots
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 16:48:40 GMT -5
im wondering why no one said the magic word yet... ANCILE and just ignore hydra chuckers completely. When im on the carrier map is the only time i dont really bother paying a hydra chucker any mind because i like to focus on center beacon capture and defense until the bottom half of the match when we push for the win. i see the hydras.. i break out the e-shield builds and just ignore their existence Just a question, bro....how do you know, before you drop into a battle, that Reds have a Hydra build so you would have Ancile builds available?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 16:50:02 GMT -5
I don't respect those who eject to avoid someone earning a kill off them. The game ought to have built in mechanics to detect and prevent that dishonorable behavior, as many tasks are based around kills, and everyone ought to have the opportunity to help others and help themselves. I do this less than 2% of the time, but the concept of honor never crosses my mind when I do it. It’s more of an intellectual decision to expedite the inevitable and move on to more challenging endeavors. btw, there is no honor in war...robots Or any stupid video game. Honor, what a joke. Play, do whatever...if cheaters get caught, devs do what is needed.....if cheating is part of the game, then cheat!
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Post by Forumite on Oct 16, 2019 16:57:05 GMT -5
hey knuckles- get rude much? fork off fork stik. you dont like it thats your biz. you werent there were you? it seems not. so where do you get off calling someone a liar when they are relaying a story that you had no part of???
while i wasnt there either i can recall plenty of instances where all or most of the red team broke off to kill me because I was "annoying". were they all champion death squads running mk2 fairy bots bristling with a cowards loadout ( thats lockdown btw)?? i dont know. i was too busy at the time to notice. next time it happens ill take some notes and get back to u. in the future maybe you could find a way to disagree with someone without attacking them personally. it called manners.
josh378- Mahalo! i will mos def hit u up im w to squad. sounds like we could have some serious evil fun poking reds.i am west coast but usually up late so it should work out. my pilot name is sukmikak.
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Post by Prowler on Oct 16, 2019 16:59:23 GMT -5
You can’t push or defend beacons so mostly ur just annoying which can be fun but your damage will probably overall drop as you find you spent a lot of games in that build while your team ended up botting out and now the games over before you even used half your hangar Don't play beacon games. Value to the team is great in TDM, pushing snipers out of position where my team mates can finish them off. Pick off low health bots that try to retreat to safety. They fact that the reds come hunting for you proves it is effective.
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Post by Prowler on Oct 16, 2019 17:00:38 GMT -5
Leveled it on my Spectre, started to fall in love with it. Picked off an Ao Jun, killed an Ares who thought it was safe to hide...loved it. Now I see why ppl hate that build. Those same people will go get their Phantom/Pursuer/Ao Jun and hunt you down, even knowing they might loose a bot the the process. Hell, had a death clan chase me and ignore my team until I died. But it's fun to slowly kill an Ares Train hiding behind a wall or pick off an annoying sniper who is camping. What are your thoughts on it. Spydra Raven standard bot in my TDM set up.
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Post by josh378 on Oct 16, 2019 17:27:24 GMT -5
I don't respect those who eject to avoid someone earning a kill off them. The game ought to have built in mechanics to detect and prevent that dishonorable behavior, as many tasks are based around kills, and everyone ought to have the opportunity to help others and help themselves. Haha lol. Little confession here. I semi-regularly eject my bots just before they're about to be killed by an enemy. There are two reasons why: 1. To save time and wanting to get back into action as soon as possible. 2. To piss off an enemy by getting them to waste their ability in an attempt to kill me while I respawn and catch them on their cooldown. Yea, I hate that. Got sniped by a trebuchet fury on my Ao Jun who was in the middle of killing another Ao Jun. Got pissed and jumped on my Loki and ran all the way around the map just to kill that dang Fury. Ran right under that gun. Only for him to eject to avoid the kill and jump on his Quantum Radar Ao Jun. Jokes on him, I had PS and dipped out of there.
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Post by TheDecepticonIdeal on Oct 16, 2019 17:53:53 GMT -5
Haha lol. Little confession here. I semi-regularly eject my bots just before they're about to be killed by an enemy. There are two reasons why: 1. To save time and wanting to get back into action as soon as possible. 2. To piss off an enemy by getting them to waste their ability in an attempt to kill me while I respawn and catch them on their cooldown. Yea, I hate that. Got sniped by a trebuchet fury on my Ao Jun who was in the middle of killing another Ao Jun. Got pissed and jumped on my Loki and ran all the way around the map just to kill that dang Fury. Ran right under that gun. Only for him to eject to avoid the kill and jump on his Quantum Radar Ao Jun. Jokes on him, I had PS and dipped out of there. There's more to that ejecting tactic as well. As I said before, you can piss off a lot of people doing that, which is great as it messes with them on a psychological/mental aspect which can give your team an edge most of the time. Frustrate and piss someone enough, and the more mistakes they'll make. And considering the hanger I run, I'll take all the advantage I can get no matter how little Oh, and I'm also a bit of a troll ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 17:56:17 GMT -5
im wondering why no one said the magic word yet... ANCILE and just ignore hydra chuckers completely. When im on the carrier map is the only time i dont really bother paying a hydra chucker any mind because i like to focus on center beacon capture and defense until the bottom half of the match when we push for the win. i see the hydras.. i break out the e-shield builds and just ignore their existence The anciles don't help much. They protect against 1 or 2 salvos, then that's it. Good as gone. Too slow to regen. Back in the heyday of Hydras, my Ancilot was fish food. Had to find deep cover, and there wernt enough. Only Moon map has that safe tunnel.
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Post by Forumite on Oct 17, 2019 0:41:07 GMT -5
That settles it. I'm rotating in my sharky griff replete with hydra/ghecko when I play tonight.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2019 8:34:28 GMT -5
im wondering why no one said the magic word yet... ANCILE and just ignore hydra chuckers completely. When im on the carrier map is the only time i dont really bother paying a hydra chucker any mind because i like to focus on center beacon capture and defense until the bottom half of the match when we push for the win. i see the hydras.. i break out the e-shield builds and just ignore their existence Just a question, bro....how do you know, before you drop into a battle, that Reds have a Hydra build so you would have Ancile builds available? well, truth is I wouldnt worry about it pre battle unless you believe thats whats ahead (facing the same guys in matches back to back for ex. maybe?) ..but if you wanna know whats on the field before you drop in.. dont drop immediately. just wait a few and take a look around to see what the reds are running before YOU drop in
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Post by HarvesterOsorrow on Oct 17, 2019 8:35:26 GMT -5
Unfortunately since the birth of the Leech, hydra builds are 100% obsolete. My Spectre would fall in seconds once you get a kill and they can identify who’s firing hydras.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2019 8:58:12 GMT -5
im wondering why no one said the magic word yet... ANCILE and just ignore hydra chuckers completely. When im on the carrier map is the only time i dont really bother paying a hydra chucker any mind because i like to focus on center beacon capture and defense until the bottom half of the match when we push for the win. i see the hydras.. i break out the e-shield builds and just ignore their existence The anciles don't help much. They protect against 1 or 2 salvos, then that's it. Good as gone. Too slow to regen. Back in the heyday of Hydras, my Ancilot was fish food. Had to find deep cover, and there wernt enough. Only Moon map has that safe tunnel. my friend.. im sorry for whatever experiences you may have had in the past that led you to believe such things. ..but i didnt say what i did about them becasue of having a gut feeling. I have two anciles, both lvl 12 (i also run carnages which also ignore hydra fire completely but for this, just referring to the ancile) .. and by themselves with no skills they allow me to TOTALLY ignore ALL hydra builds- even the ao guang version. Full hydra salvos alone wont deplete enough for me to bother moving. The time it takes for them to reload allows enough regen to make my bot a lost cause for them and they usually go for somebody else. My anciles are more to protect against splash (since im a serious kinetic weapon/splash lover) and they do quite well against orkan, exo and trident fire, especially now using e shield expert skills, fortifier mods, etc.. .. so believe me when I tell you that its a welcome relief when i see the only fire my shield is taking is from them silly little missles. If ya got one collecting dust somewhere, it might not be a bad idea to dust it off and take it out for another spin... (but DO level it up)
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Post by Loganspawn on Oct 17, 2019 9:23:18 GMT -5
Wowzer guys chill.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2019 9:29:32 GMT -5
Just a question, bro....how do you know, before you drop into a battle, that Reds have a Hydra build so you would have Ancile builds available? well, truth is I wouldnt worry about it pre battle unless you believe thats whats ahead (facing the same guys in matches back to back for ex. maybe?) ..but if you wanna know whats on the field before you drop in.. dont drop immediately. just wait a few and take a look around to see what the reds are running before YOU drop in TBH, I’ve never noticed being able to tell what bots are in...I just look for 5+ same clan tags..... I’ll try it out. Thanks!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2019 10:14:02 GMT -5
hey knuckles- get rude much? fork off fork stik. you dont like it thats your biz. you werent there were you? it seems not. so where do you get off calling someone a liar when they are relaying a story that you had no part of??? while i wasnt there either i can recall plenty of instances where all or most of the red team broke off to kill me because I was "annoying". were they all champion death squads running mk2 fairy bots bristling with a cowards loadout ( thats lockdown btw)?? i dont know. i was too busy at the time to notice. next time it happens ill take some notes and get back to u. in the future maybe you could find a way to disagree with someone without attacking them personally. it called manners. josh378- Mahalo! i will mos def hit u up im w to squad. sounds like we could have some serious evil fun poking reds.i am west coast but usually up late so it should work out. my pilot name is sukmikak. So.. since it seems you're exempt from getting those lovely little cool-it messages from any of the moderators for performing 「lettuce thrower」 in public, I guess I'll respond. 1) Your boyfriend was full of it and he knew it. The very things he tried to say happened changed while he was trying to clean it up which is usually the case when someone is full of sh**. being there or not is irrelevant when the person telling the story himself cant keep the story straight. 2) WE LEFT THE CONVO ALONE ALREADY!!... did you just now come up for air? ...well pop it back in your mouth already and put your lips to better use.
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