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Post by Koko Bop on Oct 14, 2019 17:04:48 GMT -5
So I decided to stop playing yesterday, reasons are well known and easy to guess.
Got to thinking after I cooled down some, went and collected my drop chest. Fed it into workshop, logged out.
Then I thought “I should just finish building as long as they’re giving me sliver, and if I don’t play, don’t buy, don’t participate otherwise...they’d know.”
They would know. They keep real close track of some things, if they’re smart at all, they will notice these things from my behavior change:
VIP purchases, 0, from monthly Operations pass purchases, 0, from 1 Daily match average, 0, from 20+ Daily game count, 0, from 24+ Average login duration, 3 minutes, from 60+ minutes Daily login count, 1, from 20+ Ad views, 0, from dozens daily
Based on what we’ve seen them do in and to and with the game, I’m pretty sure they track ALL that, and I’m pretty sure that when players’ activity flatlines like that, they notice.
A simple and effective way to remind them daily that they suck, that I’m still taking resources, that “recruitment is down”
I’m a drop in the bucket, a fleeting moment of irritation, the real world scratching back...but for the rest of this operation, AT LEAST, I’m in the rear with the gear...and after that, we’ll see. If it spread, well, just that much harder to ignore. It’s not a torch or a pitchfork, but you can do a lot with a pointed stick....
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Post by linearblade on Oct 14, 2019 17:15:23 GMT -5
So I decided to stop playing yesterday, reasons are well known and easy to guess. Got to thinking after I cooled down some, went and collected my drop chest. Fed it into workshop, logged out. Then I thought “I should just finish building as long as they’re giving me sliver, and if I don’t play, don’t buy, don’t participate otherwise...they’d know.” They would know. They keep real close track of some things, if they’re smart at all, they will notice these things from my behavior change: VIP purchases, 0, from monthly Operations pass purchases, 0, from 1 Daily match average, 0, from 20+ Daily game count, 0, from 24+ Average login duration, 3 minutes, from 60+ minutes Daily login count, 1, from 20+ Ad views, 0, from dozens daily Based on what we’ve seen them do in and to and with the game, I’m pretty sure they track ALL that, and I’m pretty sure that when players’ activity flatlines like that, they notice. A simple and effective way to remind them daily that they suck, that I’m still taking resources, that “recruitment is down” I’m a drop in the bucket, a fleeting moment of irritation, the real world scratching back...but for the rest of this operation, AT LEAST, I’m in the rear with the gear...and after that, we’ll see. If it spread, well, just that much harder to ignore. It’s not a torch or a pitchfork, but you can do a lot with a pointed stick.... Judging by the activity required in the current operation, and the frenetic pace of events this year , I would assume this is pretty well intended to boost sagging play time. So yes, I’m assuming they in fact do notice
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2019 17:33:13 GMT -5
So I decided to stop playing yesterday, reasons are well known and easy to guess. Got to thinking after I cooled down some, went and collected my drop chest. Fed it into workshop, logged out. Then I thought “I should just finish building as long as they’re giving me sliver, and if I don’t play, don’t buy, don’t participate otherwise...they’d know.” They would know. They keep real close track of some things, if they’re smart at all, they will notice these things from my behavior change: VIP purchases, 0, from monthly Operations pass purchases, 0, from 1 Daily match average, 0, from 20+ Daily game count, 0, from 24+ Average login duration, 3 minutes, from 60+ minutes Daily login count, 1, from 20+ Ad views, 0, from dozens daily Based on what we’ve seen them do in and to and with the game, I’m pretty sure they track ALL that, and I’m pretty sure that when players’ activity flatlines like that, they notice. A simple and effective way to remind them daily that they suck, that I’m still taking resources, that “recruitment is down” I’m a drop in the bucket, a fleeting moment of irritation, the real world scratching back...but for the rest of this operation, AT LEAST, I’m in the rear with the gear...and after that, we’ll see. If it spread, well, just that much harder to ignore. It’s not a torch or a pitchfork, but you can do a lot with a pointed stick.... The eye is the best target.
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Post by jukenukem on Oct 15, 2019 1:13:06 GMT -5
Personally I stopped playing on the 2nd day of operations. I'm having way more fun playing COD. Upgrades are instant (tired of all the waiting in War Robots), matchmaking is fair and equal (no whales made to play against low level gear), and I get instant rewards for playing. Plus a free crate from ads every 10mins.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 2:03:59 GMT -5
I have been trying to be a bit more positive, but I think that I might be getting a bit closer to packing it in.
Every time that it's my turn to be the nail, it seems to last that little bit longer with PS, Last Stand and even more stupid bots around. When you get rotated into playing lower ranked players, it's still a wearing meta fest of bots that you can't shoot (or only shoot with Quantum Radar).
I think that PS is the main problem, it's hard work counting cooldown periods on the abilities and PS at the same time! Hopefully they will all run out of crack soon and we can get back to normal.
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Post by dangit on Oct 15, 2019 6:44:49 GMT -5
They do not care that you are not playing. I have a old Champ account in iOS that I haven't played in well over 2 years. I still collect the Supply drop each day, watch ads and collect resources as you stated. Guess what they are making a small amount by me watching ads. I get offers. I have spent a half billion doing unnecessary upgrades, never qualify, never play Skirmish. Never started the first item in WS. Collect the 1 mil Ag from the first level of Operations. They do not care.
Edit: Oh yeah, I forgot to tell you why, they are too busy hooking all the new players that start accounts with wildly cheap offers and the whales keep paying.
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Post by #1 worst pilot on Oct 15, 2019 8:23:12 GMT -5
Personally I stopped playing on the 2nd day of operations. I'm having way more fun playing COD. Upgrades are instant (tired of all the waiting in War Robots), matchmaking is fair and equal (no whales made to play against low level gear), and I get instant rewards for playing. Plus a free crate from ads every 10mins. Same. Benn on COD since i saw the ad. Timed right with my frustration with War Robots.
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Post by reckless1 on Oct 15, 2019 9:50:46 GMT -5
I have been trying to be a bit more positive, but I think that I might be getting a bit closer to packing it in. Every time that it's my turn to be the nail, it seems to last that little bit longer with PS, Last Stand and even more stupid bots around. When you get rotated into playing lower ranked players, it's still a wearing meta fest of bots that you can't shoot (or only shoot with Quantum Radar). I think that PS is the main problem, it's hard work counting cooldown periods on the abilities and PS at the same time! Hopefully they will all run out of crack soon and we can get back to normal. I think you want to be the HAMMER not the nail. As far as PC there are plenty in this event to keep the green flowing.
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Post by Koko Bop on Oct 15, 2019 13:08:39 GMT -5
They do not care that you are not playing. I have a old Champ account in iOS that I haven't played in well over 2 years. I still collect the Supply drop each day, watch ads and collect resources as you stated. Guess what they are making a small amount by me watching ads. I get offers. I have spent a half billion doing unnecessary upgrades, never qualify, never play Skirmish. Never started the first item in WS. Collect the 1 mil Ag from the first level of Operations. They do not care. Edit: Oh yeah, I forgot to tell you why, they are too busy hooking all the new players that start accounts with wildly cheap offers and the whales keep paying.
I totally agree: they do not care that I’m not playing, and I have heard tell of extravagant signup bonuses. But while they don’t care about ME, they certainly care about the aggregate, because at some point, that aggregate who are ‘on strike’ will bite into their profitability. If it spreads, it’ll bite harder. Once they care, *then* it will be interesting to see how they respond...but I’m not holding my breath
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Post by martag on Oct 15, 2019 13:57:10 GMT -5
Seems reasonable. I only started playing a few months ago, but this second OP saw my playing drop drastically not only from the first OP, but from the day before Raging Typhoon started. That wasn't as a form of protest, but rather the reminder that increased effort will not lead to increased overall satisfaction. I'm still enjoying the game though so still in it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 14:04:39 GMT -5
I have been trying to be a bit more positive, but I think that I might be getting a bit closer to packing it in. Every time that it's my turn to be the nail, it seems to last that little bit longer with PS, Last Stand and even more stupid bots around. When you get rotated into playing lower ranked players, it's still a wearing meta fest of bots that you can't shoot (or only shoot with Quantum Radar). I think that PS is the main problem, it's hard work counting cooldown periods on the abilities and PS at the same time! Hopefully they will all run out of crack soon and we can get back to normal. I think you want to be the HAMMER not the nail. As far as PC there are plenty in this event to keep the green flowing. Ah, I'm not at the very top, so I generally get chance to do both. People have too much crack? Good. That means that a crack nerf is on the way!
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Post by [CK]erazor on Oct 15, 2019 14:22:23 GMT -5
You know, War Robots is simply boring. I've been playing this game now for ~three years. Something early 2017 or late 2016, I don't remember. Back then, the game was pretty slow and very tactical. Today? I play against some bot with some ability. Then the ability wears off, I start hammering the bot, but the bot just activates Phase Shift. So I have to stop hammering. Then the bot reactivates the ability. If I'm able to bring down the health of the red guy, Last Stan kicks in. Then the red guy activates Phase Shift again. Then I die.
How's this even entertaining? It's bull「dookie」. Playing War Robots feels like doing your annual tax statement. It's not a game, it's a chore. It's actual work. Which is why I stopped playing, too. PUBG Mobile, PUBG Lite on PC(free), COD Mobile. So many options. Zero pay to win. Nothing. Why bother playing War Robots?
If War Robots had fair match making and removed some of the power cell related crack pipe issues, I'd instantly continue playing War Robots. Given its current gamestate, I won't. The gameplay of War Robots in its current state is pure bull「dookie」.
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Oct 15, 2019 16:20:56 GMT -5
Yep, the green crack pipe is an issue. The last event showered us with "free" crack, and the only thing that increased in the new operation is crack. They have the worrisome appearance of dealers trying to get us addicted. On most (all?) of my bots I run the quartermaster skill to reduce active module use cost by 25%. Yes, some would not recommend this but I do NOT want to be buying more crack any time soon.
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Post by josh378 on Oct 15, 2019 16:25:13 GMT -5
Yeah, I realize leeches worse than Ares train when in groups.
I realize that it's out of my power and I should just enjoy the game for what it is. It's not like I see death squad every single game, and I see more good games than bad in lower Champion League. And I see enough good games where I can experiment on different silly robot builds that may or may not work and not work on stats.
My thoughts is what happens when Leech gets into the workshop and becomes commonplace like the Ares. I'm scared that the game will become a three to four robot mess(Ao Jun/Ares/Phantom/Leech) and that could lead to mass boycott/quitters. Yes you can argue that this didn't happen with Aries or Ao Jun, but those box had particular weaknesses. Phantom and especially leech have a very small to almost non-existent weakness. I'd blame phase shift. I was a fan of it at the beginning but now I realize it can be abused badly with the pilot skill foolhearted.
Yesterday I decided to play dragalia again after having a year off from the game. And now I realize I missed the game quite a bit. Hopefully, I don't leave robot wars. Its really fun when you see creative builds and people playing with different robots. I just don't want it to become a for robot game until the next overpowered robot appear.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 17:36:03 GMT -5
I think it needs to be said....if we think of this stuff, Pix sure as heck has,too.
They are expert manipulators, and will string us out right to that breaking point, then make a change to reel most of us back in.
Happens all the time, yes?
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Post by cav8r on Oct 15, 2019 17:57:34 GMT -5
So I decided to stop playing yesterday, reasons are well known and easy to guess. Got to thinking after I cooled down some, went and collected my drop chest. Fed it into workshop, logged out. Then I thought “I should just finish building as long as they’re giving me sliver, and if I don’t play, don’t buy, don’t participate otherwise...they’d know.” They would know. They keep real close track of some things, if they’re smart at all, they will notice these things from my behavior change: VIP purchases, 0, from monthly Operations pass purchases, 0, from 1 Daily match average, 0, from 20+ Daily game count, 0, from 24+ Average login duration, 3 minutes, from 60+ minutes Daily login count, 1, from 20+ Ad views, 0, from dozens daily Based on what we’ve seen them do in and to and with the game, I’m pretty sure they track ALL that, and I’m pretty sure that when players’ activity flatlines like that, they notice. A simple and effective way to remind them daily that they suck, that I’m still taking resources, that “recruitment is down” I’m a drop in the bucket, a fleeting moment of irritation, the real world scratching back...but for the rest of this operation, AT LEAST, I’m in the rear with the gear...and after that, we’ll see. If it spread, well, just that much harder to ignore. It’s not a torch or a pitchfork, but you can do a lot with a pointed stick.... I even stopped collecting resources, I just don’t care anymore, that’s my boycott drop in the pond
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Post by jukenukem on Oct 15, 2019 19:38:41 GMT -5
You know, War Robots is simply boring. I've been playing this game now for ~three years. Something early 2017 or late 2016, I don't remember. Back then, the game was pretty slow and very tactical. Today? I play against some bot with some ability. Then the ability wears off, I start hammering the bot, but the bot just activates Phase Shift. So I have to stop hammering. Then the bot reactivates the ability. If I'm able to bring down the health of the red guy, Last Stan kicks in. Then the red guy activates Phase Shift again. Then I die. How's this even entertaining? It's bull?dookie?. Playing War Robots feels like doing your annual tax statement. It's not a game, it's a chore. It's actual work. Which is why I stopped playing, too. PUBG Mobile, PUBG Lite on PC(free), COD Mobile. So many options. Zero pay to win. Nothing. Why bother playing War Robots? If War Robots had fair match making and removed some of the power cell related crack pipe issues, I'd instantly continue playing War Robots. Given its current gamestate, I won't. The gameplay of War Robots in its current state is pure bull?dookie?. I couldn't agree more. I've been playing for almost 5 years now and only played 2 other mobile games in that timespan. Only in the last month have I tried other games and man ive been missing out. I found myself playing COD for 4hours straight on Sunday and 1-2 hours everyday. Safe to say getting mollywhopped by MK2 gear when my gear is lvl 8-10 is no longer my idea of fun.
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Post by T34 on Oct 15, 2019 19:57:45 GMT -5
Every indication from articles based on Pixonic presentations and interviews seem to suggest that they are watching incredibly closely and they do care. They care about the overall player population and not so much about individuals. Individuals come and go, they fall in love with the game and then get bored. Having said that I agree with [CK]erazor ‘s assessment. While Pix is introducing new content they monitise just about every content that has a considerable impact on the game. Before continuing, must acknowledge that Pix does refresh the game at reasonable intervals, adds non monetised content and nerfs out some content. But overall, there is a definite steady trend to increased monetisation and more OTT features. That in turn leads to the game requiring less tactics, reduced levels of strategic approach and lower levels of skill where skill is something that is required to defeat another on a level playing field. I still like this game more than I don’t and that’s why I keep playing. It is also easy to access using an iPad but it is definitely getting more and more boring (IMO) over time because it is becoming so messy and requires less skilful input. It is entertaining for sure but when entertainment incorporates more and more frustration than it becomes less entertaining. Haven’t Played Vox Machinea but I think that’s where these robot games are heading. I think War Robots will fold due to emerging competition in this market segment.
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Post by Old-Cat on Oct 16, 2019 8:01:47 GMT -5
Personally I stopped playing on the 2nd day of operations. I'm having way more fun playing COD. Upgrades are instant (tired of all the waiting in War Robots), matchmaking is fair and equal (no whales made to play against low level gear), and I get instant rewards for playing. Plus a free crate from ads every 10mins. Ha ha .. me too. COD is a hoot. The only thing is I cant decide on a hud . Claw or triggers? It’s kind of a pain going from using only ones thumbs to multiple fingers. I know I’ll have to change my whole grip to be competitive at the higher levels. I’m Just taking a break though. I got frustrated so I knew I had to step away for a bit.
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Post by skippy on Oct 16, 2019 8:22:30 GMT -5
Yeah, I wonder if they can track that I am playing WAAAAY more COD than War Robots these days = free to play.
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Post by sprayer on Oct 16, 2019 11:10:11 GMT -5
So what happened now? Another boycot that will change nothing? I havent play this game lately. Even if i play the game the way i want and not the way pixonic wants, it has become really boring. The matches are very predictable and dumb sometimes, everybody are using the same op robots over and over, and even worse, they fail really bad using these easy robots. The problem with these mobile games is they become an habit so you can avoid playing them, they become a chore to do that you may not enjoy but you have to for reasons. Once you break this habit you realize how pointless is to care about them.
Just google Hook-habit-hobby.
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Post by RightOn on Oct 17, 2019 2:25:47 GMT -5
Frankly I can't wait until I get backed up by workshop and stop upgrading anything. My cap is level 8. The Ag costs are utterly insane. I'm on hangar 4 and I only have a Fenrir and Mercury to work on. A blaze, hussar and a viper I don't know where to put. 2nd blaze in workshop. I finally finished hangar 3, so I know when these things are 8, with how long it takes to build out of the workshop, I'm essentially retired from the nonsense. I have ~85M Ag to spare, but that's all for 4th hangar. And considering a bot or weapon takes roughly 20M to get to 8, that's hardly enough.
With those 4 hour ad boosts I'll probably be done with each item out of the workshop inside a week. That's 3 weeks of a big nothing. And I can't wait. This carrot chasing game has gone on for too long. I don't even know what I want to build, because I know the wait just kills the excitement. I may funnel the ads into the workshop, but I haven't done any numbers and the thought of being a slave again sickens me.
If I never switched to Chromebook I never would have come back. Most of the reason I choose to play is this method beats the snot out of playing on a phone. I have it on installed on my phone but only to play the slave game.. isn't that a little strange..
Also now that I think about it.. I said a bot/weapon costs ~20M to take to 8. Well suppose I log in every 24 hours like the slave I am and get my 500k. That means I'd only need to make 5M a whole freaking month to keep up. Ahahaha. I can get that in Skirmish! Which I do enjoy. That is one thing I do enjoy. Why the hell am I making bots I use less and less? The hell if I know.
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Post by jukenukem on Oct 17, 2019 2:44:19 GMT -5
Personally I stopped playing on the 2nd day of operations. I'm having way more fun playing COD. Upgrades are instant (tired of all the waiting in War Robots), matchmaking is fair and equal (no whales made to play against low level gear), and I get instant rewards for playing. Plus a free crate from ads every 10mins. Ha ha .. me too. COD is a hoot. The only thing is I cant decide on a hud . Claw or triggers? It’s kind of a pain going from using only ones thumbs to multiple fingers. I know I’ll have to change my whole grip to be competitive at the higher levels. I’m Just taking a break though. I got frustrated so I knew I had to step away for a bit. Lol yeah took me about 4 days of adjusting my hud and sensitivity but once you have it just the way you want it its a gamechanger. I haven't even collected my War Robots champ crate in weeks. I'll give Halloween a try though, hopefully a few weeks off this nonsense will make me at least like the game again. I don't mind all the abilities, the leech, etc. My biggest gripe is matchmaking which forces players like myself to constantly play at a HUGE disadvantage with the hopes I'd pay to catch up. When more and more matches end in 3-4mins because of the unfair matchmaking I had to step away.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2019 8:42:05 GMT -5
Haven’t Played Vox Machinea but I think that’s where these robot games are heading. I think War Robots will fold due to emerging competition in this market segment. I have played it for a couple of hours and I think they need to work on increasing tactical depth of the game. For example, I picked light and supposedly fast bot with machine guns but those do very little damage and bot's speed was not enough to compensate. So right now the game turns into slug fest of medium/ heavy bots too often, if you can find a game with enough players. They need to make combat really good since there's no resource management and very limited hangar building. Say what you will about Pixonic, but they got the formula right. At least initially, before they decided to ruin it with all the p2w crap.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2019 8:53:00 GMT -5
Also now that I think about it.. I said a bot/weapon costs ~20M to take to 8. Well suppose I log in every 24 hours like the slave I am and get my 500k. That means I'd only need to make 5M a whole freaking month to keep up. Ahahaha. I can get that in Skirmish! Which I do enjoy. That is one thing I do enjoy. Why the hell am I making bots I use less and less? The hell if I know. This is where I think Pixonic is shooting itself in the foot: once you stop playing, most likely you are not coming back. I still have old amazon account that was near meta last year and now it's almost useless. Remember good old days where you'd get 5k of gold for returning to the game? Long gone now and anyway, even 5k is not enough to get back into the game. As you wrote, skirmish is the possible alternative but I don't think Pixonic will be happy with too many people playing skirmish only.
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