kuto
GI. Patton
Posts: 139
Karma: 124
Pilot name: PUNISH€R
Platform: Android
League: Champion
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Post by kuto on Jul 5, 2019 11:04:56 GMT -5
Hope this'll be confirmed and soon hit the live server. Though I wonder if the delay on Avenger shots will affect it more badly than it looks like (nerf??) Source: Manni-Gaming ( even the thread title?) Punisher and Punisher T: Ammo 220 ? 250 Reload time 10sec ? 8sec Avenger: Shot interval without acceleration 0,09 ? 0.1 Shot interval with acceleration 0,06 ? 0.06628 reload time 10sec ? 8sec Molot and Molot T: Ammo 70 ? 85 Reload time 10sec ? 8sec Tempest: Shot interval without acceleration 0,215 ? 0.25 Shot interval with acceleration 0,143 ? 0.1628 Shot dispersion 0,0216 ? 0.0195 Reload time 10sec ? 8sec Raven Durability 132.000 ? 138.000 Speed 46 km/h? 49 km/h Upon ability activation receives +20% damage increase for 5 sec |
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Post by Desc440 on Jul 5, 2019 11:36:00 GMT -5
10% DPS loss for the Avenger, if my math is right. FFS...
Oh and nerfing the DPS of the Tempest, too? Are they kidding? At least it looks like it will be more accurate, though... right? Or am I misunderstanding the shot dispersion metric? |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jul 5, 2019 11:51:01 GMT -5
Does the reload time decrease even out the Avenger's decreased RoF after a while... like in DPM ? The tempest accuracy does appear to be better, which may even do more for it than the greater shot interval takes away... hard to say. I am definitely not doing the math, though... lol.
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Post by Joopiter on Jul 5, 2019 11:55:31 GMT -5
Dammit... I was waiting to see these stats and now I'm let down. Their usage may get better in lower leagues but slightly increasing damage per minute doesn't do much for me. I was hoping there would be a significant damage per second increase.
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Post by RIP_HARAMBE on Jul 5, 2019 11:57:30 GMT -5
Nice. This is going to make my Leadhose Raven even more fun!
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jul 5, 2019 11:58:17 GMT -5
I'm sorta stoked about the Raven, though... I like that bot and hate that I put the resources into it that I did and use it so rarely... gimme one more Eagle Hussar and it'll get my 2 Dragon Marquess and be the Eagle Dragon Raven. Might get that Gold Finch paint for that craziness lol... Eagle Dragon Finch Raven. Makes total sense.
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Post by go red on Jul 5, 2019 12:15:12 GMT -5
Hope this'll be confirmed and soon hit the live server. Though I wonder if the delay on Avenger shots will affect it more badly than it looks like (nerf??) Source: Manni-Gaming ( even the thread title?) Punisher and Punisher T: Ammo 220 ? 250 Reload time 10sec ? 8sec Avenger: Shot interval without acceleration 0,09 ? 0.1 Shot interval with acceleration 0,06 ? 0.06628 reload time 10sec ? 8sec Molot and Molot T: Ammo 70 ? 85 Reload time 10sec ? 8sec Tempest: Shot interval without acceleration 0,215 ? 0.25 Shot interval with acceleration 0,143 ? 0.1628 Shot dispersion 0,0216 ? 0.0195 Reload time 10sec ? 8sec Raven Durability 132.000 ? 138.000 Speed 46 km/h? 49 km/h Upon ability activation receives +20% damage increase for 5 sec Are you sure the original spec is right? According to wiki, Avenger had 440 ammo and unload time is 15.6s So the calculated rate should be 0.05s between shots at normal speed and 0.033s between shots at accelerated speed. At the first 3 second it fires 60 shots (3/0.05), then the remaining 12.6s (15.6-3) fires 380 shots (12.6/(0.05/1.5)). |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jul 5, 2019 12:18:25 GMT -5
Hope this'll be confirmed and soon hit the live server. Though I wonder if the delay on Avenger shots will affect it more badly than it looks like (nerf??) Source: Manni-Gaming ( even the thread title?) Punisher and Punisher T: Ammo 220 ? 250 Reload time 10sec ? 8sec Avenger: Shot interval without acceleration 0,09 ? 0.1 Shot interval with acceleration 0,06 ? 0.06628 reload time 10sec ? 8sec Molot and Molot T: Ammo 70 ? 85 Reload time 10sec ? 8sec Tempest: Shot interval without acceleration 0,215 ? 0.25 Shot interval with acceleration 0,143 ? 0.1628 Shot dispersion 0,0216 ? 0.0195 Reload time 10sec ? 8sec Raven Durability 132.000 ? 138.000 Speed 46 km/h? 49 km/h Upon ability activation receives +20% damage increase for 5 sec Are you sure the original spec is right? According to wiki, Avenger had 440 ammo and unload time is 15.6s So the calculated rate should be 0.05s between shots at normal speed and 0.033s between shots at accelerated speed. At the first 3 second it fires 60 shots (3/0.05), then the remaining 12.6s (15.6-3) fires 380 shots (12.6/(0.05/1.5)). My head hurts just reading that. |
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Post by Koalabear on Jul 5, 2019 12:23:14 GMT -5
I hope our mathematicians on this forum can figure this out! If it's a nerf overall, then it's right up Pix's alley to nerf things that are cheap and effective. If it's a balance, why? Why fix something that isn't broken?
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kuto
GI. Patton
Posts: 139
Karma: 124
Pilot name: PUNISH€R
Platform: Android
League: Champion
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Post by kuto on Jul 5, 2019 12:32:41 GMT -5
Hope this'll be confirmed and soon hit the live server. Though I wonder if the delay on Avenger shots will affect it more badly than it looks like (nerf??) Source: Manni-Gaming ( even the thread title?) Punisher and Punisher T: Ammo 220 ? 250 Reload time 10sec ? 8sec Avenger: Shot interval without acceleration 0,09 ? 0.1 Shot interval with acceleration 0,06 ? 0.06628 reload time 10sec ? 8sec Molot and Molot T: Ammo 70 ? 85 Reload time 10sec ? 8sec Tempest: Shot interval without acceleration 0,215 ? 0.25 Shot interval with acceleration 0,143 ? 0.1628 Shot dispersion 0,0216 ? 0.0195 Reload time 10sec ? 8sec Raven Durability 132.000 ? 138.000 Speed 46 km/h? 49 km/h Upon ability activation receives +20% damage increase for 5 sec Are you sure the original spec is right? According to wiki, Avenger had 440 ammo and unload time is 15.6s So the calculated rate should be 0.05s between shots at normal speed and 0.033s between shots at accelerated speed. At the first 3 second it fires 60 shots (3/0.05), then the remaining 12.6s (15.6-3) fires 380 shots (12.6/(0.05/1.5)). Mannis' data are the same as posted on official test server page.  Besides it'll be interesting to make a comparison DPS/DPM with the previous and the new numbers to perfectly evaluate the real impact on Avenger. Meanwhile, it looks like a nerf. Though Raven change is quite unexpected for the better. |
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Post by go red on Jul 5, 2019 12:49:37 GMT -5
Are you sure the original spec is right? According to wiki, Avenger had 440 ammo and unload time is 15.6s So the calculated rate should be 0.05s between shots at normal speed and 0.033s between shots at accelerated speed. At the first 3 second it fires 60 shots (3/0.05), then the remaining 12.6s (15.6-3) fires 380 shots (12.6/(0.05/1.5)). Mannis' data are the same as posted on official test server page. Besides it'll be interesting to make a comparison DPS/DPM with the previous and the new numbers to perfectly evaluate the real impact on Avenger. Meanwhile, it looks like a nerf. Though Raven change is quite unexpected for the better. Does this means the number in wiki is incorrect!!? |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jul 5, 2019 13:10:03 GMT -5
I hope our mathematicians on this forum can figure this out! If it's a nerf overall, then it's right up Pix's alley to nerf things that are cheap and effective. If it's a balance, why? Why fix something that isn't broken? That disparity between Light and Medium vs Heavy performance may be part of it... like has been said, the mini-gun family is the only one where the Heavy performs so drastically better.
I think the others (Pun and Pun-t) needed the buff, but the Avenger is the only thing that keeps F2P in the fight for many people. If Ao Jun using top tier pilots perform extra well with an Avenger because of all the in-game conditional buffs, it doesn't mean that what the F2P players get out of it is too much. Because it's not... and the powers that be are just further showing their ?multiple dookie delivery chute? if they nerf this but leave Ares alone... again.
No balance will be achieved until the Ares receives its just desserts.
IMO, YMMV
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Post by miscanthus on Jul 5, 2019 13:26:37 GMT -5
Raven buffs sound interesting. I would love to give this bot a permanent spot in my hangar.
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Post by Koalabear on Jul 5, 2019 13:45:55 GMT -5
I hope our mathematicians on this forum can figure this out! If it's a nerf overall, then it's right up Pix's alley to nerf things that are cheap and effective. If it's a balance, why? Why fix something that isn't broken? That disparity between Light and Medium vs Heavy performance may be part of it... like has been said, the mini-gun family is the only one where the Heavy performs so drastically better.
I think the others (Pun and Pun-t) needed the buff, but the Avenger is the only thing that keeps F2P in the fight for many people. If Ao Jun using top tier pilots perform extra well with an Avenger because of all the in-game conditional buffs, it doesn't mean that what the F2P players get out of it is too much. Because it's not... and the powers that be are just further showing their ?multiple dookie delivery chute? if they nerf this but leave Ares alone... again.
No balance will be achieved until the Ares receives its just desserts.
IMO, YMMV
You know what's ironic? Most people lean towards the Avenger as one of the best builds. But, I just can't warm up to it. Maybe it's cause my gear is L9. I was getting a bit bored with the Calamities as they're only L7 and don't do that much damage, so I slapped my L8/9 Exoduses on. This is a very fun build too! Probably not every versatile or effective and it's only a strictly ambush non Ancile type of ambusher. But, those Exoduses to a ton of damage, and the only safe bot is an Ancile bot. I don't think I'll keep this for long, but it's been fun to run! |
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Post by EatStinkyTofu on Jul 5, 2019 23:54:31 GMT -5
Raven buffs sound interesting. I would love to give this bot a permanent spot in my hangar. It’s really pushing the last vestiges of the Spectre to the grave... same speed. Better HP. Double jump. Damage boost with every jump... don’t think the 2 second stealth holds up to all that...... |
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Post by JARVIS on Jul 6, 2019 8:02:37 GMT -5
I've done some tests with AVENGER
 Live server unload time is 15.6 seconds
Test server unload time is 16.4 secondsSo it takes 0.8 seconds to shoot all your bullets? It's not a huge nerf in my opinion.
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Post by akulon on Aug 1, 2019 11:37:29 GMT -5
I've done some tests with AVENGER
Live server unload time is 15.6 seconds
Test server unload time is 16.4 secondsSo it takes 0.8 seconds to shoot all your bullets? It's not a huge nerf in my opinion.
Is this meaning they reduce the ammo? |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Aug 1, 2019 11:42:14 GMT -5
I've done some tests with AVENGER
Live server unload time is 15.6 seconds
Test server unload time is 16.4 secondsSo it takes 0.8 seconds to shoot all your bullets? It's not a huge nerf in my opinion.
Is this meaning they reduce the ammo? No, they reduced the RoF. Or, another way to say it, is they increased the amount of time it takes to shoot those 440 rounds. |
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Post by akulon on Aug 2, 2019 0:35:16 GMT -5
Is this meaning they reduce the ammo? No, they reduced the RoF. Or, another way to say it, is they increased the amount of time it takes to shoot those 440 rounds. IMHO, 11 % increase in interval/bullet time and only 5% increase in unload/clip time means 6% less ammo per clip. Pls correct me if I'm wrong. |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Aug 2, 2019 9:13:09 GMT -5
No, they reduced the RoF. Or, another way to say it, is they increased the amount of time it takes to shoot those 440 rounds. IMHO, 11 % increase in interval/bullet time and only 5% increase in unload/clip time means 6% less ammo per clip. Pls correct me if I'm wrong. Hmmm... as far as I know they still hold 440 per mag. I have not done any of the maths, and probably won't, tbh, so maybe you're right and they just didn't release that part of it...
If so it wouldn't surprise me.
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Post by eluray on Aug 3, 2019 14:24:55 GMT -5
I think the increased unload time from Avenger isnt meant to nerf this weapon
its a rebalance to fit the buffed punishers
with larger Clip they took longer to unload
so to keep this familys cycles synchronized without buffing Avengers (what would be absourd)
Pix just slows down fire rate for Avengers
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Post by Lyte on Aug 3, 2019 14:42:02 GMT -5
Really happy to hear about the Raven! Now, if we can get the rejump time lowered on the Griffin, I'd be ecstatic! I know the Griffin's OG ... but I like bots that go hoppity hop!
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