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Post by copilotjesus on Mar 6, 2017 3:36:27 GMT -5
I've seen this topic come up a number of times. "Should I get 5th slot or X?" It's almost always a unanimous get the 5th slot. Well I question that popular mentality.
In most of the games that I play in, I don't go past my 3rd bot. Maybe I play my 4th bot about 40% of the time. And I lose that bot in about 15-20% of my games.
Now I agree that having a 5th slot is going to feel good every time I use it. I'm going to feel that value every time, and possibly question why I think currently think getting a 5th slot might not be a priority.
But it makes me wonder: would I use that 5th slot even less if I had a better loadout to begin with? The answer is an undoubtedly yes.
If I build up a good roster, and developed a solid array of weapons, how often would that 5th slot even matter? Maybe 5-10% of the time? At 5%, I don't even consider it to impact my game enough to care. Getting better weapons and bots would clearly impact my performance and rewards more than a 5th slot would. 10% is a different story.
So, how do the pros feel? With all of the bots and weapons at your disposal, how often do you find yourself on that 5th bot? Are you more happy with Orkans, Aphids, Zeus', Furys, and Lancelots most of the time?
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Post by Spoopy Scary Haunter on Mar 6, 2017 3:42:30 GMT -5
well, its generally means you have the ability to sacrifice a bot, and play a bit more aggressively. Though i do say its best to have 4 solid bot setups before getting that slot.
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Mar 6, 2017 3:57:07 GMT -5
Slots before b-
Um
Yeah go ahead
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Post by BLYTHE on Mar 6, 2017 3:58:11 GMT -5
It also means you have the flexibility to play more maps but I guess it ultimately depends on your play style. If you mostly snipe then, no, you probably don't need too many slots; but if you're like me you'll go through all of them--sometimes, I'm embarrassed to say, ahead of my teammates.
How do you like to play? And what bot/load outs do you have right now?
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Post by petevb on Mar 6, 2017 4:03:11 GMT -5
So, how do the pros feel? With all of the bots and weapons at your disposal, how often do you find yourself on that 5th bot? Are you more happy with Orkans, Aphids, Zeus', Furys, and Lancelots most of the time? I'll be on my last bot in around half of all games. That includes a bit less than half of wins and virtually every loss. In part this is because the game gets faster as you level up. Bots get quicker so you can engage sooner, while damage outpaces hit points so you die faster. The bigger factor, however, is play style. You shouldn't play the same game as you get more slots, you use the extra flexibility to get more aggressive. If you're not meching out as the timer ends in a loss then you could have done more, so a good pilot manages their aggression to mech as the beacon bar ends. I can put together a number of different top hangers that don't use a single gold weapon, but there's no way I can make one without a 5th slot. So while an Orkan or Galahad is tempting I tend to believe the standard advice is sound. You'll find many top cost no object hangers that are Griffin and WSP heavy and actually use very little gold, and with smart purchasing I don't believe holding off on good items is nearly as serious a hardship as doing without that last bot.
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Post by ou812gr8m8 on Mar 6, 2017 4:06:29 GMT -5
It also means you have greater choice over what to field, and when.
So if a pesky Gareth killed your energy-weapon bot, you pick your next bot with a whole bunch of splashy missiles and hunt him down!
... or is that just me?
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Post by snk on Mar 6, 2017 10:03:28 GMT -5
I bought my 5th slot just few weeks ago, I think 4th slot is a must before anything, but 5th slot may be after 2 Orkan, which is as important as 5th slot. Furthermore, upgrade 4 bots and its weapon is easier than 5. 5th slot is very important too, Most of the time, the winner side win because they have more people alive in the last few minutes. I think 5th slot is more important than any gold bots and weapons except orkan.
PBD Griff, DB Griff, RDB Griff, or some other meta setups aren't far behind gold bots, maybe except ancilelot which cost more than 5th slot.
add: I know how you feel, shield bots are so strong. But, After you got 2 Orkan with decent level, then you know shield bot has it weakness too. If you are good at Orkan aiming, all shield bot will die or almost die in just few secs, except ancilelot.
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Post by SuperHero on Mar 6, 2017 10:10:54 GMT -5
Perhaps the OP needs to also share what level or league he is in. You don't feel the need for it until you REALLY need it. And perhaps also sharing his win rate or stats will also show whether his thinking is on track. Opinions are good, but sometimes stats and hangars shed light on a situation as well. For example, the opinion of the OP will be weighed in a vastly different way depending if he was a maxed player in Champion League as opposed to a rookie in the Recruit League. I do agree with snk. After the 4th slot, 2 orkans are handy to buy before moving on to the 5th. Getting the 5th changed my gameplay and also allowed me to improve my stats and variety of tactics.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 11:04:40 GMT -5
I didnt spend 5k gold just to say I had a 5 slot hangar.
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Post by gr3ygh05t on Mar 6, 2017 12:04:22 GMT -5
Since PDB works 75% of the time just get 4 of them until you can replace them with something better (like orkans). Or be like me and just get whatever you feel like getting. My Bub the Chub is still in the back upgrading:
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Post by Cdr. Crimmins on Mar 6, 2017 12:06:16 GMT -5
Terribly marked up screen from the Halloween event. Marked it up so I would remember how a 5on3 turned into a 2on3 before my fellow 5 slotter and I first evened the odds and then got the upper hand - winning on beacons finally. Last man standing on the other side was the only one over there with 5 slots on their team. Lesson for me was that an easy win turned ugly because of lack of bots. And if the reds had one other player with 5, we might not have managed it. Slots before bots.
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Post by copilotjesus on Mar 6, 2017 12:22:47 GMT -5
I'm not really sure how to post a screen shot. Maybe I can't from a mobile device? Idk.
My damage is in the low side, as I've been toying around with an Ancile. I also thought my win% would be lower than it is, as I can't seem to win when I have the first 3 battle win bonus lately.
Lvl 26 Victories 228 Max destroyed 9 Max damage 678344 Max win series 9 Silver league 3 1170 Average destroyed 2.7 Average damage 326987 Average victories 60%
7 griffin 5 punisher2 8 taran 7 magnum 7 magnum
7 griffin 5 punisher2 5 punisher2 5 molot 5 molot
7 leo 6 pinata 6 pinata 6 thunder 6 pinata
6 natasha 6 pubisher 6 magnum 6 thunder 7 ancile
Looking at Orkans, Zeus, Gareth, Fury and Lancelot as posible options. Doubt I will buy all if these before 5th slot, but I certainly am not opposed.
I'm looking at Orkan/Magnum Rhino and Ancile/double Taran Lancelot as a direction I want to aim for.
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Post by whatttupG on Mar 6, 2017 13:28:14 GMT -5
On android devices, most are hold power button and tap the home button, that will screen shot you and the picture it takes will show up in the gallery. Mine is labeled as such but I think that's a Marshmallow thing, my old one didn't have things divided up nicely but whatever you're on will put it somewhere. If successful it makes a real loud camera like click noise and does this obvious graphic fade away thingy... if you don't hear/see that, it didn't take anything. I would practice this a little, I used to turn off the phone a lot because there seems to be a certain sequence and timing to it but now that I know what it wants, it's super simple and easy now.
On 5 slots vs 4, if you want a percentage view, viewed from your 4 slot hangar that next slot would be 25% more choices. I think this would give you more than a 5% difference as mentioned in the OP.
On successful games, I find the best games I have are also on two or three bots, and this is yes out of four. Had I had a 5th slot, and it was filled like I think it will be, neither orkans nor the bot I used second would have seen the field in any of those so I have to admit that extra load out would have changed my game. Doesn't really matter in this study if I feel the change was good or bad, it would have been a third or half of my game play, so nearly an order of magnitude more than the 5% proposition in some cases.
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Post by copilotjesus on Mar 6, 2017 14:47:15 GMT -5
On android devices, most are hold power button and tap the home button, that will screen shot you and the picture it takes will show up in the gallery. Mine is labeled as such but I think that's a Marshmallow thing, my old one didn't have things divided up nicely but whatever you're on will put it somewhere. If successful it makes a real loud camera like click noise and does this obvious graphic fade away thingy... if you don't hear/see that, it didn't take anything. I would practice this a little, I used to turn off the phone a lot because there seems to be a certain sequence and timing to it but now that I know what it wants, it's super simple and easy now. I know how to screen shot. I don't know how to post images on this forum from a mobile device. There are no buttons or anything I can click on to upload and post the image (I assume [.img] [./img] tags are used). Maybe I can link to an image offsite, but I haven't tried that yet. The only thing I really see being a benefit from the 5th slot at this time is more versatility. Currently I have Plasma (will have 2nd Taran in next 24h), Support, Assault, and Defensive Bots. With a 5th slot, I would add a beacon runner. I'm just not convinced that adding a beacon runner is going to benefit me more than enhancing my current hanger. I've already got a really subpar support bot, and any 5th bot that I add will be even weaker than that.
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Post by VivaLaResistance on Mar 6, 2017 15:06:17 GMT -5
You need to upload the images to a third party hosting site such as Photobucket or the likes. There you will get a URL link to embed into here so that it shows up as the image.
Anyways though, the way @blythe is thinking is the angle you need to take on 5th slot. Yes, spend a little gold and grab a couple few goodies to play with in your 4 slots, but by all means...I WILL maintain that the 5th slot SHOULD be an objective to keep in mind.
Not because you need 5 bots to accomplish the mission every time, but so that you have a bot to accomplish the mission required at that particular moment! Having options throughout battle is key, especially for solo players who never know what kind of curves each battle may throw at them. For those who regularly squad with a clan and may have a more defined roll the 5th slot is likely not as valuable. Especially when compared with upgrades and weapons key to their specific roll.
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Post by Conflict's Student on Mar 6, 2017 15:20:45 GMT -5
I've already got a really subpar support bot, and any 5th bot that I add will be even weaker than that. Do you have enough silver for a RDB Griffin? Instant 6/5 bot that is useful on any map.
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Post by copilotjesus on Mar 6, 2017 16:14:35 GMT -5
Let's give this a try: On RDB, I do have spare Pinatas, but there were two things that made me want to avoid that setup. First, I was never a fan of Tulumbas. Fairly certain Okrans will feel better, but I'm not there yet. I was thinking about grabbing them sooner, and using them on a Grif until I could upgrade to a Rhino. The other thing was that I felt Grifs were too squishy when caught in the middle of a reload. Not that Orkans are going to help with that, but their damage output is high enough to kill a lot of bots in 2 vollies.
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Post by Conflict's Student on Mar 6, 2017 17:24:00 GMT -5
RDB is tulumbas and pins (not pinatas) - it does a fair amount of splash damage per volley, and between the 500m range and jump ability should be able to get in several volleys before going down. It's an ideal counter to the shield bots combining splash with range and mobility, just as a shield bot is a natural counter to plasma, ancile is to splash, or plasma is to ancile. There is good reason lots of people run RDB Griffins in the higher leagues and even max them out to 12/12.
DB Griff (orkans and pinatas) certainly does more damage (both burst and over time), although squishiness is more likely to become a factor in that build. And of course you would need to spend Au to get those orkans.
Since you already have 2 griffins, you could easily give the RDB build a try before committing Au on something other than that 5th slot - you might even like it enough to replace one of your starting 4. Just realize in advance that 500m rockets are a bit different from 300m rockets: larger splash radius but significant reload time to manage.
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Post by petevb on Mar 6, 2017 18:08:06 GMT -5
Let's give this a try: On RDB, I do have spare Pinatas, but there were two things that made me want to avoid that setup. First, I was never a fan of Tulumbas. Fairly certain Okrans will feel better, but I'm not there yet. I was thinking about grabbing them sooner, and using them on a Grif until I could upgrade to a Rhino. The other thing was that I felt Grifs were too squishy when caught in the middle of a reload. Not that Orkans are going to help with that, but their damage output is high enough to kill a lot of bots in 2 vollies. 5th slot --> 1. Griff 2x Punisher Mk2, 2x Punisher / Griffin 2x Taran 2x Mag / Leo Ancile 3x Pinata / Boa Thunder Taran / Griff 2x Pins 2x Tulumbas (+2 Taran)--> 2. Griffin 2x Ork, 2x Pinata / Griffin 2x Taran Magnum / Natasha Thunder Ancile 2x Mag / Boa Thunder Taran / Griff 2x Pins 2x Tulumbas (+2 Ork, +2 Mag)--> 3. Griffin 2x Ork, 2x Pinata / Griffin 2x Taran Magnum / Galahad Taran 2x Magnum / Boa Thunder Taran / Griff 2x Pins 2x Tulumbas (+Galahad, +1 Taran)--> 4. Griffin 2x Ork, 2x Pinata / Griffin 2x Taran Magnum / Galahad Taran 2x Magnum / Lancelot Ancile 2x Taran / Griff 2x Pins 2x Tulumbas (+Lancelot, +1 Taran) Note that the ranges are not mixed. An all Punisher Griff will do damage within 200 meters but it won't last long. It'll take advantage of that 5th slot well, however, as will the place-holder Boa. From there you focus gold and WSP on weapons first, then bots. The Tulu Pins Griffin is strong and works well on all maps right up until you get to the very top. It's also likely the best bot value in the game.
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Post by whatttupG on Mar 6, 2017 18:11:00 GMT -5
On android devices, most are hold power button and tap the home button, that will screen shot you and the picture it takes will show up in the gallery. Mine is labeled as such but I think that's a Marshmallow thing, my old one didn't have things divided up nicely but whatever you're on will put it somewhere. If successful it makes a real loud camera like click noise and does this obvious graphic fade away thingy... if you don't hear/see that, it didn't take anything. I would practice this a little, I used to turn off the phone a lot because there seems to be a certain sequence and timing to it but now that I know what it wants, it's super simple and easy now. I know how to screen shot. I don't know how to post images on this forum from a mobile device. There are no buttons or anything I can click on to upload and post the image (I assume [.img] [./img] tags are used). Maybe I can link to an image offsite, but I haven't tried that yet. The only thing I really see being a benefit from the 5th slot at this time is more versatility. Currently I have Plasma (will have 2nd Taran in next 24h), Support, Assault, and Defensive Bots. With a 5th slot, I would add a beacon runner. I'm just not convinced that adding a beacon runner is going to benefit me more than enhancing my current hanger. I've already got a really subpar support bot, and any 5th bot that I add will be even weaker than that. Sorry dude, didn't mean it like that... you're right on mobile. There isn't a button. I answered in desktop mode, apologies!! In fact lots of things don't work the same or at all on a phone. Why that is I don't know. Maybe try to ask for the desktop site first, then use the button you get when fed that version. I checked before this post just to assure I'm not speaking out my six.. it's there, I think it would work from there "normally". On slot #5, I just got my salad tossed and that extra choice would have altered my play selection. By the way I bought orkans before slot #5 and can testify I wish I waited.
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Post by blastronaut on Mar 6, 2017 18:14:39 GMT -5
Get Orkans and Aphids, if you already have some of those get slot 5.
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Post by soulcoffr on Mar 6, 2017 18:22:53 GMT -5
I really like having the fifth slot. It was a grind to get, but I like the extra flexibility and the extra mech. I apparently have a fairy aggressive playing style, so there are times where I'll mech out. More often than not, I usually have at least one bot in the hangar at the end of the match, however.
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Post by 3castle on Mar 6, 2017 18:26:39 GMT -5
go for a bot. i honestly think even 4 slots are not necessary. i mean, look. rather than having 5 of these mediocre bots, 3 of over powered bots perform way better. most of battles, i only use 2 bots out of 5 i have. now it feels like 4th and 5th slot was a waste of gold. id buy lancelot and some orkans. maybe some aphids too if u have enough gold.
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Post by BLYTHE on Mar 6, 2017 19:35:15 GMT -5
Absolutely not. The ONLY time you don't need additional slots is when you snipe exclusively or you're one of those people who absolutely refuse to eject from the Tasha marshmallow party machine even if you're down on beacons or you're the last man standing and the REDs are coming fom you. That takes real conviction, LOL>
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Post by boomsplat on Mar 6, 2017 19:51:05 GMT -5
copilotjesus - one question....how easy is it for you to get 5k of gold? If you don't blink an eye, then get orkans. If gold is pretty scarce, then get the 5th slot based on the overwhelming consensus from players that the 5th slot pays for itself many times over. If you only go through 3-4 bots right now and you are winning, you're going to advance through the leagues pretty quick. Going up in leagues will put a premium in that 5th slot. As you advance, you should get more gold.
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Post by blastronaut on Mar 6, 2017 20:28:26 GMT -5
Absolutely not. The ONLY time you don't need additional slots is when you snipe exclusively or you're one of those people who absolutely refuse to eject from the Tasha marshmallow party machine even if you're down on beacons or you're the last man standing and the REDs are coming fom you. That takes real conviction, LOL> Thank a lot, now I'm hungry for toasted marshmallows.
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Post by snk on Mar 6, 2017 22:11:47 GMT -5
Let's give this a try: On RDB, I do have spare Pinatas, but there were two things that made me want to avoid that setup. First, I was never a fan of Tulumbas. Fairly certain Okrans will feel better, but I'm not there yet. I was thinking about grabbing them sooner, and using them on a Grif until I could upgrade to a Rhino. The other thing was that I felt Grifs were too squishy when caught in the middle of a reload. Not that Orkans are going to help with that, but their damage output is high enough to kill a lot of bots in 2 vollies. If I am in the same position as you, I will use WSP for one more Taran for your first Griffins. (Best engage range 310-350) I will use 4 Molot for 2nd Griffin, it will out dps publisher from 300m+ and your shooting range is up to 800m or effective range around 600m, more range then Trident. (range 360-600 depend what your opponent range, shorter range more dps but die easier) Or buy Tulumbus/pin for your Griffin. 500m range for a Griffin will last very long, 600-700m Griffin can last the whole match if you know how to out of sigh from trebs, jump backwards when red coming to you and if your team still has knife fighter. ( good things about tulubus/pin Griffin is ..... shield bot hate it.) Best range 450-500 your Leo looks good. (As close as possible except they have more thunder than you, or play hide and seek) i will buy a Griffin with 2 Orkan and 2 Piñata. All shield bot except ancillot will not want to fight your DB Griffin. ( I use this bots to chase all shield bots, with a partner, you may even take down most expensive gold bots, ancillot. Best range 200-300 After that, I will get 5th hanger. Because there isn't a very weak bot in your hanger.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 0:27:49 GMT -5
3/4 slot hangar vs 5 slot hangar -
The arena is mine, I live, you die!
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Post by dms12008 on Mar 7, 2017 1:16:46 GMT -5
Even when considering orkans, aphids or so-called 'overpowered' gold bots, how can u not see that adding an entire mech worth of firepower to your lineup adds value way faster than any other option, even if the firepower is entirely silver or wsp?
It comes down to this, and let me know what u guys think- to anyone who says 'I only use 2-4 bots a vast majority of games' you are not playing correctly (unless u r somehow superhuman robot pilot from the future). So if u r going to make claims about how effective your strategy is, u better include info about leave standings etc
Also on kind of a separate point... Do u think it's correct to count this whole 'just spend gold on bots/weapons, not slots' thing as almost like a tanking technique, bc u will lose more frequently and thus continue to have greater opportunity to end up in games w noobs... Thus u will definitely 'only have to use 2 or 3 bots a game' lol u fkn tea partiers I hate u
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Post by ryel on Mar 7, 2017 2:30:13 GMT -5
I bought double orkan before 5th slot and I regretted it. DB griff is awesome but on lvl 5-8 it's not a real DB. I would rather have an 5 slot hangar with plasma griffins taran boas piñata leos than a 4 slot with DB Griffin and plasma galahad. Even a taran cossack or a nashorn natasha better for the 5th slot than a 4 slot hangar with gold bots and weapons.
If you only use 2-3 bot per game that means you do not play enough aggressively or you are a camper. Almost every game I need to sacrifice 1-2 bot to have beacon advantage.
The sad part is its much harder to get the 5th slot if it's not your first au purchase because of the level up gold rewards.
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