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Post by moody on Feb 28, 2017 20:54:49 GMT -5
For those that got placed in leagues when they first came out. Before they crashed.
Did you get the same league on re-qualifying?
I am trying to figure out if the qualifying matches are a complete farce.
Please post if you have other experiences.
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Post by moody on Feb 28, 2017 20:57:08 GMT -5
Reason being, I have yet to see someone get into a different tier. I had 5 horrible matches the first time around and ended up in Silver 1.
I had 5 of the best matches I have ever had the second time and ended up in Silver 1.
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Post by SlowReflexes on Feb 28, 2017 20:57:38 GMT -5
Same league. My league score was only 30 points different.
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Post by SlowReflexes on Feb 28, 2017 21:02:16 GMT -5
Reason being, I have yet to see someone get into a different tier. I had 5 horrible matches the first time around and ended up in Silver 1. I had 5 of the best matches I have ever had the second time and ended up in Silver 1. Suspect how it worked is server was gathering data on us the whole time after the big MM change. 'Matches stabilizing' was us building our hangar score. And the qualifying matches don't do anything to 'set' your score, they just act as confirmation that you're good enough for the league that your preexisting score would put you in. If you confirm you go in. If you 'fail' you go down one and then wind up getting 'tested' again because your score is high enough for the next league up. Repeat until you 'pass'. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 21:02:58 GMT -5
Different qualifying damage, table placement, and result, but exact same league. Never knew my score the first time around, but landed in very top of Silver 1 for Android. I have andecdotal evidence of lesser gear and lesser damage averages getting placed higher than my hangar, so I suspect something more is at work with league placement than strictly damage done, placement matches, and hangar strength. Total victories, max damage, or even overall weapon/ownership may be playing a role in our placement. Just my observations.
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Post by moody on Feb 28, 2017 21:08:26 GMT -5
Reason being, I have yet to see someone get into a different tier. I had 5 horrible matches the first time around and ended up in Silver 1. I had 5 of the best matches I have ever had the second time and ended up in Silver 1. Suspect how it worked is server was gathering data on us the whole time after the big MM change. 'Matches stabilizing' was us building our hangar score. And the qualifying matches don't do anything to 'set' your score, they just act as confirmation that you're good enough for the league that your preexisting score would put you in. If you confirm you go in. If you 'fail' you go down one and then wind up getting 'tested' again because your score is high enough for the next league up. Repeat until you 'pass'. That sounds logical. Now to wait for the exception that stuffs us all up. |
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Post by moody on Feb 28, 2017 21:53:51 GMT -5
We have a second option.... any chance of a post?
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Post by Heishiro on Feb 28, 2017 22:18:46 GMT -5
same level diamond 2..
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Post by SlowReflexes on Feb 28, 2017 22:42:03 GMT -5
For anyone who was different both times..... Were you near a league boundary? Just above or below?
Because what I strongly suspect the way the 'testing' or 'qualification' period works is, once you rise above a tier boundary it triggers one of those 5 match tests.
If, after the 5 matches your score is still above that tier boundary you move up, and if the results of the 5 matches lowers you such that you're no longer above the boundary you 'fail' and don't move up.
The way I see it working when they turned on leagues is, they had been gathering league score data for a while but not using it, and we were all essentially in 'league 0' or 'league undefined' or whatever. Then they turned leagues on, the system looked at our league scores and compared to 'league 0' we all looked like we'd earned enough points to move up a league (at least) and so started a 5 match test.
And whatever our initial scores were after that first 5 match test/qualification is where we were placed. So the first time out it really didn't matter how you did in the qualifications (your league score was already built up during the 'stabilization' phase) *unless* you were extremely close to a league boundary and the results of your qualification matches pushed you over the boundary, one way or the other.
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Post by moody on Feb 28, 2017 22:49:25 GMT -5
For anyone who was different both times..... Were you near a league boundary? Just above or below? Because what I strongly suspect the way the 'testing' or 'qualification' period works is, once you rise above a tier boundary it triggers one of those 5 match tests. If, after the 5 matches your score is still above that tier boundary you move up, and if the results of the 5 matches lowers you such that you're no longer above the boundary you 'fail' and don't move up. The way I see it working when they turned on leagues is, they had been gathering league score data for a while but not using it, and we were all essentially in 'league 0' or 'league undefined' or whatever. Then the turned leagues on, the system looked at our league scores and they compared to 'league 0' we all looked like we'd earned enough points to move up a league and so started a 5 match test. And whatever our initial scores were after that first 5 match test/qualification is where we were placed. So the first time out it really didn't matter how you did in the qualifications (your league score was already built up during the 'stabilization' phase) *unless* you were extremely close to a league boundary and the results of your qualification matches pushed you over the boundary, one way or the other. Not sure if it works quite that way - the League zero thing doesn't feel right. I do think that we have all been going through an ELO type sorting for a long time. It would mean that the monthly qualifiers can not put people more than a tier above or below where they already are. Which matches up with the pole so far. |
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Post by SlowReflexes on Feb 28, 2017 22:54:50 GMT -5
At first it started gathering data but we weren't yet assigned leagues. That was an empty field. But it was using the league score for MM, of course, because what else would it use? And that would explain everything about the craziness when the new MM started, the sort-of 'stabilization' for many, how for some people things kept getting worse the more they played (their league score kept rising, though they had no way of knowing it yet)...... So call it what you prefer, league 0, league undefined, league unassigned, no league. Then you flip the switch to turn on leagues, the system tries to populate those fields for everyone and it triggers the 'league boundary crossed' behavior. Well of course that won't be how they did it, that makes too much sense.  |
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Post by cakeordeath on Mar 1, 2017 0:23:18 GMT -5
For anyone who was different both times..... Were you near a league boundary? Just above or below? Because what I strongly suspect the way the 'testing' or 'qualification' period works is, once you rise above a tier boundary it triggers one of those 5 match tests. If, after the 5 matches your score is still above that tier boundary you move up, and if the results of the 5 matches lowers you such that you're no longer above the boundary you 'fail' and don't move up. The way I see it working when they turned on leagues is, they had been gathering league score data for a while but not using it, and we were all essentially in 'league 0' or 'league undefined' or whatever. Then the turned leagues on, the system looked at our league scores and they compared to 'league 0' we all looked like we'd earned enough points to move up a league and so started a 5 match test. And whatever our initial scores were after that first 5 match test/qualification is where we were placed. So the first time out it really didn't matter how you did in the qualifications (your league score was already built up during the 'stabilization' phase) *unless* you were extremely close to a league boundary and the results of your qualification matches pushed you over the boundary, one way or the other. Not sure if it works quite that way - the League zero thing doesn't feel right. I do think that we have all been going through an ELO type sorting for a long time. It would mean that the monthly qualifiers can not put people more than a tier above or below where they already are. Which matches up with the pole so far. A friend of mine hasn't been on in ages. His league score is sitting at 1300 exactly (the lower boundary of silver 2). I wonder if we all started there and spent 1.5 months drifting up, down or staying around there as the case may be. |
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Post by moody on Mar 1, 2017 0:34:12 GMT -5
We have a completely different tier. Please post and tell us more?
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Post by [NovR] VR-01 on Mar 1, 2017 0:36:53 GMT -5
Pix prolly assigned preliminary scores based on the old MM -- using your active hangar at that time (which is based on the weapon & bot levels). Then they launched the new MM and collected data for a while so they can set the league brackets. Would make sense that way.
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Post by SoCalGrndR on Mar 1, 2017 0:50:09 GMT -5
I was running my 8.5/9 heavy hanger last month. I started late on tier day so I never viewed a league screen. After update and a few battles I came here and viewed some posts. I went back to game & screenshot hanger. Played a few more games and Au shot up 540 Au. I was in Gold I, battles were VERY challenging! I did ok, kept up 450-470k dam, with War Robots in 56-60%. Did my 2.61 update, and received: Attachment DeletedI did the qualifying battles, and wham!! WTH!!! Attachment DeletedI had no idea this was remotely possible, that I would move up to next tier?!? I made the cup count to move up by 3. (2303 cups) Hmmnn.... lets see how that is going? My win rate is now 40% and I have been on task (win 8 battles for 2 days). |
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Post by moody on Mar 1, 2017 1:11:04 GMT -5
I was running my 8.5/9 heavy hanger last month. I started late on tier day so I never viewed a league screen. After update and a few battles I came here and viewed some posts. I went back to game & screenshot hanger. Played a few more games and Au shot up 540 Au. I was in Gold I, battles were VERY challenging! I did ok, kept up 450-470k dam, with War Robots in 56-60%. Did my 2.61 update, and received: I did the qualifying battles, and wham!! WTH!!! I had no idea this was remotely possible, that I would move up to next tier?!? I made the cup count to move up by 3. (2303 cups) Hmmnn.... lets see how that is going? My win rate is now 40% and I have been on task (win 8 battles for 2 days). Very good info. Really shows that placement battles are just normal challenge battles. |
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Post by robocain on Mar 1, 2017 3:29:02 GMT -5
Before the crash I ran what was a low silver hangar and was placed in Silver II league. After the crash I ran what was a high silver/low gold hangar and was placed in Silver III league.
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Post by Thumpmonkey1 on Mar 1, 2017 3:49:06 GMT -5
Have a clanmate who tanked their 5 placement matches so "well" that they moved from somewhere in bronze all the way to top end of recruit. No screenshot, as they've already moved back into bronze III by now, but I saw it...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 8:07:41 GMT -5
Same level and exactly the same score as first time. Which means I lost the 19 points I had already collected before crash. ??
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Post by sonofsam on Mar 1, 2017 8:43:46 GMT -5
Got silver 2 before the crash got silver 3 (down one) after they came back up.
Odd thing is the first go around I lost 3 qualifying matches and was bottom half on all but one. Second time around I have just joined a clan and was running with clan members we won all 3 and I was top damage twice and 3rd the other time. Don't ask me how being a whipping boy earned me a better spot than dominating. Maybe because first time I did it against opponents in the 10/10 range and second time I was facing hangers more comparable to my 7/7ish hanger?
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Post by moody on Mar 1, 2017 15:49:34 GMT -5
Got silver 2 before the crash got silver 3 (down one) after they came back up. Odd thing is the first go around I lost 3 qualifying matches and was bottom half on all but one. Second time around I have just joined a clan and was running with clan members we won all 3 and I was top damage twice and 3rd the other time. Don't ask me how being a whipping boy earned me a better spot than dominating. Maybe because first time I did it against opponents in the 10/10 range and second time I was facing hangers more comparable to my 7/7ish hanger? Based on my current theory, you lost those points in the week in-between - you had dropped a tier at some point. The 5 qualifying matches were not enough to bring you back up into the league you had been in. Does that seem like it may be accurate? |
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Post by sonofsam on Mar 1, 2017 18:38:55 GMT -5
Got silver 2 before the crash got silver 3 (down one) after they came back up. Odd thing is the first go around I lost 3 qualifying matches and was bottom half on all but one. Second time around I have just joined a clan and was running with clan members we won all 3 and I was top damage twice and 3rd the other time. Don't ask me how being a whipping boy earned me a better spot than dominating. Maybe because first time I did it against opponents in the 10/10 range and second time I was facing hangers more comparable to my 7/7ish hanger? Based on my current theory, you lost those points in the week in-between - you had dropped a tier at some point. The 5 qualifying matches were not enough to bring you back up into the league you had been in. Does that seem like it may be accurate? Yes. The 3 days before the leagues came back up the MM decided to screw with me. It threw my 7/6-7/7 hanger against 9/10+, put ditchers on my team, or put ,3+ campers on my team (had several matches with 5) in 3 days my win % dropped from my normal 55-60% to the 30s. And the short matches made my average damage drop from 350-375k to around 280k at the time that leagues came back up. |
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Post by moody on Mar 1, 2017 18:42:00 GMT -5
Based on my current theory, you lost those points in the week in-between - you had dropped a tier at some point. The 5 qualifying matches were not enough to bring you back up into the league you had been in. Does that seem like it may be accurate? Yes. The 3 days before the leagues came back up the MM decided to screw with me. It threw my 7/6-7/7 hanger against 9/10+, put ditchers on my team, or put ,3+ campers on my team (had several matches with 5) in 3 days my win % dropped from my normal 55-60% to the 30s. And the short matches made my average damage drop from 350-375k to around 280k at the time that leagues came back up. On a positive note. If the theory still holds true. You should be right at the top of the tier that you are in? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 18:56:58 GMT -5
Because what I strongly suspect the way the 'testing' or 'qualification' period works is, once you rise above a tier boundary it triggers one of those 5 match tests. If, after the 5 matches your score is still above that tier boundary you move up, and if the results of the 5 matches lowers you such that you're no longer above the boundary you 'fail' and don't move up. Based on the evidence I have seen, I believe this is exactly how it works. The qualification battles are just building on the league rank you have already accumulated. There's nothing more to it than that. Having the "test" just prevents players who are right at the boundary rating from constantly fluctuating back and forth between two leagues. |
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Post by miatahead on Mar 1, 2017 20:19:00 GMT -5
I answered yes, but as you know Moody, mine comes with a caveat.
I tanked my qualifiers (as a test) and ended up in same league, but only 34 points away from the challenge. So if you assume that I lost 100 pts from tanking (5 * -20 = -100), I could have been placed in the higher tier.
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