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Post by endyu on Nov 29, 2018 18:37:32 GMT -5
It's incredibly hard to navigate or find decent cover with a Fury Trident on the battlefield now.
They're stronger than Dragoons now since they have huge splash and they do a much better job at controlling the battlefield since nearly no bots run anciles anymore but plenty run Ecu's or built in physical shields.
I think they need to be nerfed down to 500 range since they're now basically heavy Tulus.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 19:03:30 GMT -5
Is this the only good thing that came from this horrible update?
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Post by dobby on Nov 29, 2018 19:03:56 GMT -5
Disagree; I don't like being hit by them either, but they are somewhat effective against Dragoon builds, and those builds have had it too easy for too long. Maybe in time some changes will need to be made, but for now let those relying on Dragoons suffer a bit.
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Post by aaronc on Nov 29, 2018 20:12:53 GMT -5
I only have one and pulled it out last night. Coupled it with 2 tempests on a Fury. Thought they might make an interesting mix as bots usually dive for cover to stop being hit by the tempest which is when I hit them with the Trident.
Had some fun on the Castle map hurting an Inq hiding on the ramp of the bridge.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 20:15:08 GMT -5
One of the few things PIx got right in 4.5. The midrange META builds were way too heavily skewed towards energy.
Now if only I could figure out if it's cheaper to MK2 older economy tridents (64m apiece) or buy new ones and start over? The Pix site shows they cost the same, but I thought I read somewhere the silver cost was decreasing in 4.5 on the NE tridents, making them similar to PunisherT in that new economy is cheaper than old. I just wish i could confirm it.
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Post by RedRaider on Nov 29, 2018 20:45:59 GMT -5
One of the few things PIx got right in 4.5. The midrange META builds were way too heavily skewed towards energy. Now if only I could figure out if it's cheaper to MK2 older economy tridents (64m apiece) or buy new ones and start over? The Pix site shows they cost the same, but I thought I read somewhere the silver cost was decreasing in 4.5 on the NE tridents, making them similar to PunisherT in that new economy is cheaper than old. I just wish i could confirm it. It appears that the cost and time did not change OE vs NE. check out War Robots wiki warrobots.wikia.com/wiki/Trident and warrobots.wikia.com/wiki/War_Robots_Wiki:Equipment_Upgrades:_Archived_Values#Trident |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 21:10:33 GMT -5
One of the few things PIx got right in 4.5. The midrange META builds were way too heavily skewed towards energy. Now if only I could figure out if it's cheaper to MK2 older economy tridents (64m apiece) or buy new ones and start over? The Pix site shows they cost the same, but I thought I read somewhere the silver cost was decreasing in 4.5 on the NE tridents, making them similar to PunisherT in that new economy is cheaper than old. I just wish i could confirm it. It appears that the cost and time did not change OE vs NE. check out War Robots wiki warrobots.wikia.com/wiki/Trident and warrobots.wikia.com/wiki/War_Robots_Wiki:Equipment_Upgrades:_Archived_Values#TridentYes, they did not change as of the July update, but there are new economy changes promised for 4.5, which just came out. Not sure if the Wiki has incorporated those yet. Edit:. Here's the link. NE tridents are supposed to get 50% cheaper. warrobots.com/en/posts/279 |
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Post by RedRaider on Nov 30, 2018 14:11:28 GMT -5
Yes, they did not change as of the July update, but there are new economy changes promised for 4.5, which just came out. Not sure if the Wiki has incorporated those yet. Edit:. Here's the link. NE tridents are supposed to get 50% cheaper. warrobots.com/en/posts/279yes but Lancelot, Fury ? Upgrade cost +100% ? Upgrade time +260% Now that is a bunch of crap!! |
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Post by AcuityAxiom on Nov 30, 2018 14:30:17 GMT -5
I only have one and pulled it out last night. Coupled it with 2 tempests on a Fury. Thought they might make an interesting mix as bots usually dive for cover to stop being hit by the tempest which is when I hit them with the Trident. Had some fun on the Castle map hurting an Inq hiding on the ramp of the bridge. Is it effective? I kinda wanna put my only Trident smack dab in the center of my Fury if it's worth it. |
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Post by RedRaider on Nov 30, 2018 14:33:04 GMT -5
I just put 2 tridents and tempest on fury. I will take it for a spin later. maybe if I get a long range map. wont work on a few.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2018 14:34:10 GMT -5
One of the few things PIx got right in 4.5. The midrange META builds were way too heavily skewed towards energy. Now if only I could figure out if it's cheaper to MK2 older economy tridents (64m apiece) or buy new ones and start over? The Pix site shows they cost the same, but I thought I read somewhere the silver cost was decreasing in 4.5 on the NE tridents, making them similar to PunisherT in that new economy is cheaper than old. I just wish i could confirm it. New Trident takes half the Silver/time for upgrades. I am 100% sure because I sold my old ones (at level 6, 6, 1) to get three new, and they only take 32M from L1 to L12 Mk1. |
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Post by Koalabear on Nov 30, 2018 15:15:31 GMT -5
I once predicted that if they didn't nerf the range to 500m, this could mean doom for Dragoon Fury. Let's see if I'm right. Imagine that, and old school weapon being more OP than a new one!
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Post by Loganspawn on Nov 30, 2018 15:23:29 GMT -5
It's incredibly hard to navigate or find decent cover with a Fury Trident on the battlefield now. They're stronger than Dragoons now since they have huge splash and they do a much better job at controlling the battlefield since nearly no bots run anciles anymore but plenty run Ecu's or built in physical shields. I think they need to be nerfed down to 500 range since they're now basically heavy Tulus. Wow I feel like I went in a time warp, I guess you don't remember the old Tridents are OP you need to nerf them now days that birthed the Ancilot. Same old Pix, buff things then nerf them again so people spend money rushing things. Just break out that wallet and for $500 you can get a full hangar of Greek Bots with a magic shield to protect you. What lucky timing huh! |
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Post by aaronc on Dec 2, 2018 20:19:39 GMT -5
I only have one and pulled it out last night. Coupled it with 2 tempests on a Fury. Thought they might make an interesting mix as bots usually dive for cover to stop being hit by the tempest which is when I hit them with the Trident. Had some fun on the Castle map hurting an Inq hiding on the ramp of the bridge. Is it effective? I kinda wanna put my only Trident smack dab in the center of my Fury if it's worth it. I have to get a few more levels on the Trident before I can really say. It's likely to be pretty situational and not likely to be a real standout guy, but its versatile. |
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Post by moody on Dec 2, 2018 21:10:57 GMT -5
Yes, they did not change as of the July update, but there are new economy changes promised for 4.5, which just came out. Not sure if the Wiki has incorporated those yet. Edit:. Here's the link. NE tridents are supposed to get 50% cheaper. warrobots.com/en/posts/279First 4 levels are identical. from then on new economy tridents are half the silver and half the time at least as far as level 7 (haven't gone further yet). |
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Post by inspirace on Dec 2, 2018 21:21:41 GMT -5
It's incredibly hard to navigate or find decent cover with a Fury Trident on the battlefield now. They're stronger than Dragoons now since they have huge splash and they do a much better job at controlling the battlefield since nearly no bots run anciles anymore but plenty run Ecu's or built in physical shields. I think they need to be nerfed down to 500 range since they're now basically heavy Tulus. I would disagree. I would like to see more specialization between heavy, medium, and light weapons and I am happy to see Tulumbas and Tridents having different ranges. It makes (pseudo-) sense, too, that you need a bigger platform in a bigger hardpoint to send a powerful rocket a bit longer.
It will be a bit more difficult time for non-ancile bots, but I think people will soon find a solution. Also, one should expect the blue Trident bots to control red Trident bots, called "team play" - perhaps rare among random solo players but that's why it is beautiful when it happens 
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Post by snk on Dec 2, 2018 22:49:36 GMT -5
Dragoon still have one extra bullet and doing little more damage even Trident has Splash damage. I would say they pretty on par with each other.
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Post by thorloki on Dec 2, 2018 22:55:46 GMT -5
Although I hate the splash weapons so much I sold all of my Tridents, Tulumbas and Pins... I will say they encourage more movement and thus causes hiding players to move into line of sight. ?
Matches end sooner when players can't hide for too long.
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Post by TheDecepticonIdeal on Dec 3, 2018 7:19:16 GMT -5
It's incredibly hard to navigate or find decent cover with a Fury Trident on the battlefield now. They're stronger than Dragoons now since they have huge splash and they do a much better job at controlling the battlefield since nearly no bots run anciles anymore but plenty run Ecu's or built in physical shields. I think they need to be nerfed down to 500 range since they're now basically heavy Tulus. Or you can start using ancil shields and bots with in-built energy shields. I for one am glad that an old school weapon is kicking butt again. |
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Post by d3stro on Dec 3, 2018 7:22:37 GMT -5
Soon a medium type of Norricum will emerge. Behold.
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Post by miscanthus on Dec 3, 2018 9:18:39 GMT -5
I put two Tridents on my Bulwark and am surprised at how well they perform in Champion. The 30m splash is great for campers and I can outrange Dragoons. The auto reload feature is so much better than the old firing mechanism. I imagine if Tridents become too popular, anciles will make a comeback. Until then, I am having fun.
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Post by carramrod525 on Dec 3, 2018 11:18:31 GMT -5
If tridents were nerfed to 500m range, than the only thing that could battle dragoons are other premium weapons like scourge. They need to keep it at 600m so that something over the counter can battle against it, otherwise you have to hope you can sneak into 500m range without them seeing you or lose half your health.
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Post by MarauderCatIsEdgy on Dec 3, 2018 11:49:08 GMT -5
Time to open my last silver chest and beg to pixo gods. If that doesnt work out i iwll have to save 2k more gold for a fury trident
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Post by kukurukukuk on Dec 3, 2018 11:57:23 GMT -5
Case in point: A fairly balanced Domination match in Carrier. I used a lvl 9 Fury with lvl 9/9/8 Tridents for the entire match.
It is an ideal situation, I have to admit, but it proves how much more efficent the Trident Fury became after the buff. - The Carrier map is flat which means that you can easily engage with reds from 630-625m. - It also provides lots of narrow cover where it can be difficult to evade Trident missiles without exposing yourself. - The red team had no counter for the Trident Fury. Only two Dragoon bots across 6 hangars and no Tempests or other Tridents. - EDIT: Also, I use an emulator and it makes it easier to aim.
I topped my damage highscore.
I even capped a beacon. I may upload the video here tomorrow.
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Post by inspirace on Dec 3, 2018 12:03:40 GMT -5
kukurukukuk I think Carrier is particularly well-suited for Trident. In one match yesterday, we had a couple able Trident Furies among reds, while the blue had Zenits and Spydras ... we lost despite of me scoring >1M damage. In the next match, I made it sure to remove the red Trident Fury, after losing my first bot to it. It was not too difficult since I can approach it using the underpass (or it felt easier because I was perhaps matched against lower leaguers, since this was one of the new season league placement matches). Battle video:
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Post by endyu on Dec 3, 2018 12:41:31 GMT -5
I get that tridents counter Dragoons, but they are also harder to hide from than Dragoons. Tridents require minimal aiming while Dragoons actually require some level of accuracy. I get that people love game mechanics that require less skill, I also get that Dragoons have been an annoyance to say the least. Tridents will be much worse soon.
The only ancile bots that are somewhat meta are Haechis and those are quite useless on large maps where we find Tridents and Goons. At least we can dash and hide from goons or stealth from cover to cover. Tridents can hit behind most cover with the right angles.
Once you start seeing as many Fury Tridents as you do Dragoons, you will noticed just how overpowered these things are.
Bulgasaris used to be staple LR hangar bots because of the physical shield. Now they're just free Ag for Tridents and it will only get worse.
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Post by thorloki on Dec 3, 2018 12:44:50 GMT -5
I get that tridents counter Dragoons, but they are also harder to hide from than Dragoons. The only ancile bots that are somewhat meta are Haechis and those are quite useless on large maps where we find Tridents and Goons. At least we can dash and hide from goons or stealth from cover to cover. Tridents can hit behind most cover with the right angles. Once you start seeing as many Fury Tridents as you do Dragoons, you will noticed just how overpowered these things are. Bulgasaris used to be staple LR hangar bots because of the physical shield. Now they're just free Ag for Tridents and it will only get worse. And this is where Hydras and Chimeras become useful to get Furies to hide instead of cockily standing out in the open with their Tridents. There should be a counter build to everything. Triple Chimera Fury targets Triple Trident Fury. |
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Post by HarvesterOsorrow on Dec 3, 2018 12:49:33 GMT -5
I get that tridents counter Dragoons, but they are also harder to hide from than Dragoons. The only ancile bots that are somewhat meta are Haechis and those are quite useless on large maps where we find Tridents and Goons. At least we can dash and hide from goons or stealth from cover to cover. Tridents can hit behind most cover with the right angles. Once you start seeing as many Fury Tridents as you do Dragoons, you will noticed just how overpowered these things are. Bulgasaris used to be staple LR hangar bots because of the physical shield. Now they're just free Ag for Tridents and it will only get worse. And this is where Hydras and Chimeras become useful to get Furies to hide instead of cockily standing out in the open with their Tridents. There should be a counter build to everything. Triple Chimera Fury targets Triple Trident Fury. Doubling down on my hydra spec build. Now at 8/7/6/5/5. Dropping him in as soon as I see a trident fury. Fury doesn’t wall hug so well |
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Post by hyderier on Dec 3, 2018 18:33:07 GMT -5
If tridents were nerfed to 500m range, than the only thing that could battle dragoons are other premium weapons like scourge. They need to keep it at 600m so that something over the counter can battle against it, otherwise you have to hope you can sneak into 500m range without them seeing you or lose half your health. What's wrong with Molots (and maybe Nashorns) to combat Dragoons or Tridents or even Scourges with Ag gear? Anything with slowish burst to no burst is going to hurt when the good old Gunship Griffin lets it rip. Even Anciles will have trouble, if at comparable upgrade level. |
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Post by Thunderkiss on Dec 3, 2018 18:33:17 GMT -5
Tridents are still terrible.
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