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Post by iFail on Nov 13, 2018 10:54:28 GMT -5
I've taken my chemistry this term and not my physics... So I can't solve this myself. The basic gist of it is that within my War Robots story our heroes are trapped within the Dreadnought map, pinned down by twin Bulwarks. They can't leave the Dreadnought or risk being hit by the enemy's weapons, and don't possess enough firepower to kill their shields. So main character (Jackson Quinn) orders the team's twin Thunder Carnages to ascend the ship around the backside of the ship to drop into the Bulwark shields as they approach... You know what I'll just add diagrams here. It's easier.   Anyway, if the Carnages were to do this and land on the Bulwarks, would the impact kill all of the pilots? This is assuming War Robots CAN fall a great distance, as it's been suggested that they're dropped from the sky like in MechWarrior. And as a bonus, would a dropped Lancelot and a dropped Gareth fall at the same speed? |
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Post by incognitospy on Nov 13, 2018 11:07:27 GMT -5
I can't see the your diagram.
But about the drop, maybe some robot can be dropped from certain heights. Like, jump bots should, cause what would happen to the pilots whenever they land after a jump?
As for Carnage, its a fast bot. Means it should have good hydraulics/suspension on its feet. So, I think its kinda dramatic if those mentioned Carnage do that drop. There would be 50-50 odd for the pilots, wether they survive or not. Since Carnage may have good feet, but not designed to jump/drop.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 11:25:45 GMT -5
Spoiler alert!!! You gotta stop doing that man! Anyways, all bots in your story drop from dropships all the time, sometimes you even mention dropships are hidden in clouds, so I guess jumping from dreadnought derelict would not damage them. And besides, playing this game, I have made that jump many times, and I'm still alive  Lance and Gary would fall almost at the same speed, only air resistance could slow down Lance a bit, because we all know Lance has an 「bum-bum」 that big that it can be used as a parachute |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 11:30:12 GMT -5
It depends on the velocity of the falling carnages, the meters between the carnages when they are on the ship and the bulwarks on the ground, and where the carnage hits the bulwark.
Honestly, there are too many variables, but I'd say that the Bulwark would take some considerable damage, but not enough to kill it.
To answer your other question, the Lancelot would fall faster than the Gareth. However, they could fall at the same speed, assuming that they are both in a vacuum field.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 11:34:30 GMT -5
It depends on the velocity of the falling carnages, the meters between the carnages when they are on the ship and the bulwarks on the ground, and where the carnage hits the bulwark. Honestly, there are too many variables, but I'd say that the Bulwark would take some considerable damage, but not enough to kill it. To answer your other question, the Lancelot would fall faster than the Gareth. However, they could fall at the same speed, assuming that they are both in a vacuum field. Now that I think about it, when the Carnages fall on the Bulwark, if done with enough velocity with the correct positioning, the Carnages could conceivably smash the Bulwark into the sand, like a hammer and a nail. The Bulwark could slowly sink in then sand, eventually being suffocated by the sand. However, the pilot in the cockpit would be fine.
However, if the Bulwark kept sinking, the pressure from earth's gravitational pull would eventually crush the robot and the pilot. However, this is assuming that the Bulwark would actually sink beneath the sand.
Or, if the Carnage hit the Bulwark fast enough with enough force, the resulting energy from the collision could create a miniature black hole, but that outcome his highly unlikely.
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Post by Ⓑⓞⓑ Ⓓⓨⓛⓐⓝ on Nov 13, 2018 11:41:49 GMT -5
It depends on the velocity of the falling carnages, the meters between the carnages when they are on the ship and the bulwarks on the ground, and where the carnage hits the bulwark. Honestly, there are too many variables, but I'd say that the Bulwark would take some considerable damage, but not enough to kill it. To answer your other question, the Lancelot would fall faster than the Gareth. However, they could fall at the same speed, assuming that they are both in a vacuum field. Now that I think about it, when the Carnages fall on the Bulwark, if done with enough velocity with the correct positioning, the Carnages could conceivably smash the Bulwark into the sand, like a hammer and a nail. The Bulwark could slowly sink in then sand, eventually being suffocated by the sand. However, the pilot in the cockpit would be fine.
However, if the Bulwark kept sinking, the pressure from earth's gravitational pull would eventually crush the robot and the pilot. However, this is assuming that the Bulwark would actually sink beneath the sand.
Or, if the Carnage hit the Bulwark fast enough with enough force, the resulting energy from the collision could create a miniature black hole, but that outcome his highly unlikely.
Technically wouldn't the carnages just bounce off the aegis shield? lol |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 11:44:33 GMT -5
Now that I think about it, when the Carnages fall on the Bulwark, if done with enough velocity with the correct positioning, the Carnages could conceivably smash the Bulwark into the sand, like a hammer and a nail. The Bulwark could slowly sink in then sand, eventually being suffocated by the sand. However, the pilot in the cockpit would be fine.
However, if the Bulwark kept sinking, the pressure from earth's gravitational pull would eventually crush the robot and the pilot. However, this is assuming that the Bulwark would actually sink beneath the sand.
Or, if the Carnage hit the Bulwark fast enough with enough force, the resulting energy from the collision could create a miniature black hole, but that outcome his highly unlikely.
Technically wouldn't the carnages just bounce off the aegis shield? lol Actually, you are probably right. To answer your question iFail, only the Carnage pilots would die because of the blunt collision of the Carnage and the Bulwark's shield.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 12:51:40 GMT -5
No way, carnies ancile and bulwarks aegis would deplete each other, and carnies would simply land on bulwarks heads, and shoot down killing them
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Post by hyderier on Nov 13, 2018 14:22:56 GMT -5
I would say landing/crashing velocity of Carnages would be low enough, that the Aegis or Ancile shields would not matter. I mean, you can walk into them, and bots with them can walk next to walls. So that's not an issue.
Anyway, what's the problem with just having twin Thunders do what they do best: shoot at large bots from very close distance. No need for mechanics not included in the actual game.
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Post by iFail on Nov 13, 2018 15:34:12 GMT -5
Technically wouldn't the carnages just bounce off the aegis shield? lol Actually, you are probably right. To answer your question iFail, only the Carnage pilots would die because of the blunt collision of the Carnage and the Bulwark's shield.
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It's been proven in-game and in my story that Aegis shields can be entered by robots, just not high-velocity projectiles. The villain does capture the hero at one point in a modified Ancille that stops him from passing through, but it's established that robots can enter Ancille/Aegis shields, which is why if a Carnage walks past a building it doesn't "hit" the building with it's shield but the building passes through the shield and is briefly protected within.. I like your original answer, that's probably what the result will be in my novel :-) (Update hyderier said it better than me when talking about the Ancille theory) |
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Post by iFail on Nov 13, 2018 15:39:41 GMT -5
I would say landing/crashing velocity of Carnages would be low enough, that the Aegis or Ancile shields would not matter. I mean, you can walk into them, and bots with them can walk next to walls. So that's not an issue. Anyway, what's the problem with just having twin Thunders do what they do best: shoot at large bots from very close distance. No need for mechanics not included in the actual game. Story-wise, the robots are pinned down by Dragoon fire, and the Carnages can't close the distance in time without getting blasted to bits. So Jackson (main character) has the idea to simply close the distance by dropping on the Bulwarks (after all, every war robot travels faster when it's falling vs when running). So the goal IS to get close, they just have to do it unconventionally. Plus, it's cool. |
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Post by MarauderCatIsEdgy on Nov 13, 2018 15:54:50 GMT -5
Please add the word spoiler to your fanfiction thread
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Post by Pulse Hadron on Nov 13, 2018 17:08:04 GMT -5
That’s an interesting question and here’s my estimates... My focus is on establishing the velocity when landing. To figure that we need to know the time and distance of the fall. Time is easy enough, just record and view in an app showing timecode. Actually it was a bit fussy because the bots feet hover a bit over the lip of the ship there so exactly when it begins to fall is hard to tell but I put it at 2.5 seconds for the fall. For distance I used a second bot positioned some distance from the ship opening that’s roughly level with the ground at the opening. From the top of the lip the distance (hypotenuse) between bots was 156m, which is actually splitting the difference because one device showed 155m and the other 157m. Anyways, on the ground the distance was 146m, then a little Pythagoras yields 54.95m which I round to a clean 55m for the fall distance. Then I pulled up Wikipedia to refresh my memory of falling body expressions ( en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equations_for_a_falling_body ) and used the first two to computed the gravity force at 17.6m/s^2. This surprised me because it’s much higher than earths gravity of 9.8m/s^2 yet bots always seemed to fall slow to me in War Robots. Anyways, plugging that into other equations yields an instantaneous velocity of 44m/s when landing, or 158.4km/h, or ~98.4 miles per hour. Is that low enough for your Carnage pilots to handle? I don’t know. But it would be good for others to run their own experiments and double check my results. |
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Post by TheDecepticonIdeal on Nov 14, 2018 4:17:54 GMT -5
Considering that all robots fall from a dropship so far high we can't actually see it, it stands to reason that their hydraulics are top notch. I've always thought that as long a War Robot lands on its feet, it and its pilot would be fine. If they land on anything other than their feet however, that's a completely different story, since the hydraulics there might not be strong enough.
For your story, I think a Carnage landing right next to a Bulwark from above would be perfectly alright, since the Aegis shield only seems to protect high velocity projectiles, and a Carnage in free fall for a few 100m isn't fast enough to be blocked by energy shields.
If a Carnage lands ON TOP of a Bulwark however, I'm sure that the Carnage will be alright since it's feet take the brunt of the impact, and it's already been established that the leg hydraulics are invincible. The Bulwark on the other hand, depending on where it was hit, can have it's top section crushed by the impact if it isn't strong enough.
JUST FOR LULZ THO, imagine if the Carnage lands on the Bulwark and the Bulwark topples over on its back, unable to get back up.?
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Post by iFail on Nov 14, 2018 6:39:26 GMT -5
Please add the word spoiler to your fanfiction thread Done! I apologize, I didn't think so many people cared about the story! :-) |
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Post by iFail on Nov 14, 2018 6:43:38 GMT -5
To confirm what you said,( Pulse Hadron ) yes, War Robots have hydraulics strong enough to withstand a drop from heights far greater than that of the Dreadnought. And as TheDecepticonIdeal stated, with these hydraulics the Carnage could likely survive the impact, even if it was direct (and at 98.4 mph). However, this would damage the Bulwark, as its head is not equipped to handle that impact (in my novel I've had War Robot frames crumple because of impacts; such as a Pursuer being smashed by an ECU and immediately suffering a systems failure) |
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Post by iFail on Nov 14, 2018 18:33:33 GMT -5
Thank you all! The chapter in question, "Forty-Nine: Sand and Fire" is up now! my.w.tt/g9NKlhGLQR[SPOILER: Results of your input!] ? ? ? YOU'VE BEEN WARNED IT'S A SPOILER ? ? ? Martin shouted with joy as his Carnage followed suit, Thunders booming, but a second later his shout became one of panic as he hit. The trouble was, he'd miscalculated the distance between the enemy's shield and himself. Now, that's not to say he missed. Commander Martin Telbus, piloting a massive War Robot, was so accurate that he landed directly on the enemy's head. I saw a flash of sparks and the enemy's head buckle, then a rolling wave of dust struck my cameras, blinding me for a few seconds. Metal screamed and tore. A shotgun blast. Two. A flash of yellow light, there one moment, gone the next. |
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