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Post by erik1 on Nov 12, 2018 0:34:55 GMT -5
On the wiki, it says that weapons should always be at least two levels higher than a robot. For example, level 7 tarans on a level 5 Lancelot. Is this still true in the new league system, or is it okay to have level 7 tarans on a level 7 Lancelot?
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Post by T34 on Nov 12, 2018 0:43:58 GMT -5
Things have changed and are rapidly changing. IMO you probably want to have weapons 3 or 4 levels above the bots. Especially the new popular ones.
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Post by eco on Nov 12, 2018 0:45:47 GMT -5
In general you can do what you like. A low level item is cheaper und quicker to upgrade it might be better to level two low level things than one high level. Bots on lev l 9 have max speed. A spectre might be enough at level 9. a lance or bulg get better shield and alot of hp it might make sense to level these higher. In the long term it is better to invest in weapons. a taran from the early days is still a very good weapon. But a rhino once the top bot has lost alot of value. If you have mid to long range the bot can be lower level since the distance protects him. If you like to go 1on1 close high level bot might be the right thing.
In your case lance taran I keep the tarans and bot equal level. But if you switch around bots often level the tarans higher. Then the lance gains speed up to level 9 that might be a reason to level him up.
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Post by heavypiece on Nov 12, 2018 1:07:29 GMT -5
The weapons should be leveled up. The weapons do the damage.
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Post by AcuityAxiom on Nov 12, 2018 1:08:49 GMT -5
I keep my equipment the same levels across the board, or at least i try, with shfiting configs it got a bit messy, but if you're on desktop, my sig shows a slightly clean lineup.
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Post by erik1 on Nov 12, 2018 1:31:14 GMT -5
In general you can do what you like. A low level item is cheaper und quicker to upgrade it might be better to level two low level things than one high level. Bots on lev l 9 have max speed. A spectre might be enough at level 9. a lance or bulg get better shield and alot of hp it might make sense to level these higher. In the long term it is better to invest in weapons. a taran from the early days is still a very good weapon. But a rhino once the top bot has lost alot of value. If you have mid to long range the bot can be lower level since the distance protects him. If you like to go 1on1 close high level bot might be the right thing. In your case lance taran I keep the tarans and bot equal level. But if you switch around bots often level the tarans higher. Then the lance gains speed up to level 9 that might be a reason to level him up. That ... makes... a lot of sense. I'll keep that in mind -- which bots do I plan on keeping forever and which ones are just placeholders? |
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Post by go red on Nov 12, 2018 2:37:11 GMT -5
If you want to climb in league fast, yes.
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Post by ezekielcrow on Nov 12, 2018 3:00:12 GMT -5
It really depends on what you want to do. Weapons lower than bots slows your ascent up the leagues. I use level 9 bots and level 7-9 weapons and stay between gold and diamond.
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Post by jonnya on Nov 12, 2018 3:10:35 GMT -5
You obviously want both as high a level as possible and in my opinion I'd level bots before weapons. Levelling bots keeps you in the fight longer and is better value for silver and time. As when you
level a bot you can be getting three increases, Speed, HP and shield strength whereas with weapons you are only really getting a damage increase on one weapon at a time.
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Post by milty72 on Nov 12, 2018 19:55:34 GMT -5
I'm the opposite 12Mk2 Bots Level 10 weps.
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Post by Pilot Moby_dic on Nov 12, 2018 21:17:43 GMT -5
On the wiki, it says that weapons should always be at least two levels higher than a robot. For example, level 7 tarans on a level 5 Lancelot. Is this still true in the new league system, or is it okay to have level 7 tarans on a level 7 Lancelot? This was good advise back in the dark ages (Pre-mm) when MM placed you on hanger strength. So general advise was run weapons higher than bots. Now I don’t think there are any rules and bot dependent. For example. Spectre x Scourge. I love this bot, but I don’t have to level it past 9, cod against four maxed out Mrk2’s an extra 30k HP doesn’t really matter. But I have level 11/11/10/5 scourges and they pack a punch. Falcon is the reverse. I want to get that sucker up as high as possible. Currently level 10. With weapons 10/6/6. That works as well but it’s more of a one hit wonder. Kill and then be killed. |
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Post by RIP_HARAMBE on Nov 12, 2018 21:44:47 GMT -5
I like fast bots so I always get them to 9 as soon as possible after acquiring. I'll start playing them at lvl1 but they don't get serious hangar time until 5/6.
Weapons you really start feeling how they dmg around 5/6 also, but the magic happens, in my experience around lvl9 with the old stuff and new economy weapons and bots are functional at lvl7.
Even I have a Redeemer sitting at lvl7 and it is okay but I know if I bumped it to 9 it would go to 11.
Root guns are fine at 4/5. Above that it's dmg improvements.
I took an Ember to 11 at the end of the event (3d 14h left!) because I like to burn bots, it's on a lvl9 Falcon with lvl10 Avengers. Whole rig is super expensive and I'm currently making Exoduses to replace the Avengers.
Yeah, weapons do the damage so level up those that you enjoy most and those that are super versatile (e.g. Tarans, Orks, Gusts, Scourge, Avenger).
Don't waste your time with Spiral, Hydra, Aphid, Zeus (okay, maybe 9/10), Punisher (okay also 9/10), Storm, Thunder, Molot, Pin, Pinata, Arbalest, Noricum, Zenit, Nashorn, King Dong, Tempest, Trident.
But lvl9 bots will give you much better maneuverability = longer life / more aggressive play.
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Post by moody on Nov 12, 2018 23:28:06 GMT -5
Yes and no. Level 9 is top speed so a lot of people level bots to 9 and leave them there.
The two levels above thing is a holdover from an earlier matchmaking system (r.i.p.) that benefited by keeping bots and weapons at particularly levels (4/6, 6/8 etc.) It doesn't make it bad advice, but it was advice designed for the best result in that given situation that no longer exists. current advice would be somewhere between leveling bots and weapons equally or leveling weapons slightly higher.
Some weapons and some bots are different. For example: Mender should be upgraded as both its speed, health and ability are improved. Dash bots and inquisitor rely on their special ability which is not improved through upgrading and there is therefore less overall improvement by upgrading the bot.
Rooting weapons, while they improve slightly in their ability to root at higher levels, are not greatly improved - so if you have a spectre with 3 old economy storm and a new economy corona, you will get more benefit from upgrading the storms to improve damage while still having a good chance of rooting.
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