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Post by erik1 on Oct 31, 2018 3:43:37 GMT -5
I have a Taran Ancilot and I'm looking to equip a second Lancelot to deal with robots that have physical shields. At first I tired an Orkan Ancilot, but with my play style I got tired of the fact that it takes 23 seconds to fully reload.
For sure I'm going to get two punisher Ts. I'm wondering whether to add an avenger or stick with the Ancile. What are the benefits / disadvantages to both, and to that end which do you like better? I'm looking for the best combination of attack and defense for beacon holding / defending (I have other robots for hunting)
Please leave advice to either Ancile Punisher or Avenger Punisher.
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Tarastir
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Post by Tarastir on Oct 31, 2018 3:51:47 GMT -5
It depends on what weapons you have and your play style. You like team play? Old good Tarancilot ftw! You don't like brawling? Dragoon/Scourge, Zeus/Scourge or Tempest/Molot are viable. You have medium root weapons? Try them with Avenger or Ember.
EDIT:
now I see what you wrote 
The thing that annoys me with Avenger is that you have to shoot for quite a long time to deal that damage, so I use a Carnage with 2 Avengers. On a Lancelot I would try some root weapons. But than again they deal energy damage.
Exodus/Orkan would be nice.
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Post by erik1 on Oct 31, 2018 7:44:25 GMT -5
Thanks Tarastir. Given my play style, time/money I can put into the game and what I like to have fun with, it's either Avenger/Punisher or Ancile/Punisher.
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Post by BadAsh on Oct 31, 2018 8:06:29 GMT -5
Punishers alone don’t do much damage. Without the avenger you’re just going to be annoying the reds.
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Post by hjn on Oct 31, 2018 8:39:54 GMT -5
I've gone ember, Tpun and one of the star wars pew pew root guns (mainly because I won it and couldn't find a use for it)
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Oct 31, 2018 8:53:02 GMT -5
If you're good at Selective Fire, try Storm/Exodus.
Fire Storms slowly starting at 500m to clear Anciles and soften up the target, then once you hit 300m, let 'er rip with Exodus. Storms have good sustained fire, especially inside 200m, to finish the job.
The fast "smart" reload on Storm means you're never helpless, and you can maintain fire while Exodus' big burst reloads.
I use a similar setup (Exodus/Gust) on my Strider, and it's quite effective against both Energy and Physical shields.
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Post by erik1 on Oct 31, 2018 9:05:00 GMT -5
I know that all of you have played longer than I have, but again, please just tell me which to pick from either Avenger/Punisher or Ancile/Punisher (Thank you BadAsh!)
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Post by grump76 on Oct 31, 2018 9:36:59 GMT -5
I ran a lead hose Lance until I got a Bulwark and loved it. Then again, I've always had a soft spot for punishers.I think Ancile Punisher would be a waste.
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Post by ystava on Oct 31, 2018 9:48:34 GMT -5
I have a Taran Ancilot and I'm looking to equip a second Lancelot to deal with robots that have physical shields. At first I tired an Orkan Ancilot, but with my play style I got tired of the fact that it takes 23 seconds to fully reload. For sure I'm going to get two punisher Ts. I'm wondering whether to add an avenger or stick with the Ancile. What are the benefits / disadvantages to both, and to that end which do you like better? I'm looking for the best combination of attack and defense for beacon holding / defending (I have other robots for hunting) Please leave advice to either Ancile Punisher or Avenger Punisher.Due to its speed, ancilot needs a weapon that doesn't require a long wait for reloads and has a little reach. Thus, scourge... or storm... or punisher. So I'd actually steer you to Avenger/Storm. That's going to put the most lead down range and will eat up both physical _and_ energy shields. ETA: or Avenger/Storm/Corona |
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Post by Haxer999 on Oct 31, 2018 9:56:10 GMT -5
Avenger
Outranging is a thing right, I didn’t dream it.
2x damage to physical shields
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Post by MarauderCatIsEdgy on Oct 31, 2018 10:51:25 GMT -5
avenger on top if you can put a glory
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Post by psychopsyd on Oct 31, 2018 11:21:59 GMT -5
ERIK: You're going to get answers outside of your question parameters because your choices hamstring your bot....
Straight up...PUNISHER T won't kill fast enough against a physical shield bot...or any shielded bot....to recommend it along with an ANCILE....
Honestly, I don't think an AVENGER will make this a sure thing either....
Rockets are the only thing that kill thru physical shields fast...and they don't have to be leveled way up to do so.
ORKANS are pricey...TULUMBUS are cheap, have smart reload now, 200m range advantage over ORKANS, and a large splash area.
Your ANCILE and PHYSICAL shields on the ANCILOT will keep you in the fight after your initial 16 rocket salvo slows to 2 rockets per .9 seconds.... I fear that setup more than most in my lvl 12 GALAHAD...
Just saying....
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Post by Koalabear on Oct 31, 2018 11:37:13 GMT -5
Leadhose all the way if you're in a Lancelot and want to break shields. You don't want to get into Orkan range of anything if you don't have an Ancile.
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Post by ystava on Oct 31, 2018 13:16:50 GMT -5
ERIK: You're going to get answers outside of your question parameters because your choices hamstring your bot.... Straight up...PUNISHER T won't kill fast enough against a physical shield bot...or any shielded bot....to recommend it along with an ANCILE.... Honestly, I don't think an AVENGER will make this a sure thing either.... Rockets are the only thing that kill thru physical shields fast...and they don't have to be leveled way up to do so. ORKANS are pricey...TULUMBUS are cheap, have smart reload now, 200m range advantage over ORKANS, and a large splash area. Your ANCILE and PHYSICAL shields on the ANCILOT will keep you in the fight after your initial 16 rocket salvo slows to 2 rockets per .9 seconds.... I fear that setup more than most in my lvl 12 GALAHAD... Just saying.... Agree your suggestion is a good build. Goes back to what I often say. You have to consider you whole hangar to decide how to set up some bots. What role does it need to fill in the context of everything else. Lance can do a lot of things pretty well, which is why you still see them running around. |
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Post by erik1 on Oct 31, 2018 13:52:36 GMT -5
ERIK: You're going to get answers outside of your question parameters because your choices hamstring your bot.... Straight up...PUNISHER T won't kill fast enough against a physical shield bot...or any shielded bot....to recommend it along with an ANCILE.... Honestly, I don't think an AVENGER will make this a sure thing either.... Rockets are the only thing that kill thru physical shields fast...and they don't have to be leveled way up to do so. ORKANS are pricey...TULUMBUS are cheap, have smart reload now, 200m range advantage over ORKANS, and a large splash area. Your ANCILE and PHYSICAL shields on the ANCILOT will keep you in the fight after your initial 16 rocket salvo slows to 2 rockets per .9 seconds.... I fear that setup more than most in my lvl 12 GALAHAD... Just saying.... Agree your suggestion is a good build. Goes back to what I often say. You have to consider you whole hangar to decide how to set up some bots. What role does it need to fill in the context of everything else. Lance can do a lot of things pretty well, which is why you still see them running around. Yes, you're right, it depends on the role of the bot. My second Ancilot needs to be another tank. I have other bots for actually killing things. When holding a beacon, my tank needs to survive robot after robot, or surprise missile / rocket attacks, or a wave of robots (when I'm with teammates). Why not a second Tarancilot? Again, because of physical shields. One thing I failed to mention is I'm not trying to completely kill robots in one go with this tank. Thank you all very much for your help After experimenting with both an Avenger Punishlot and an Ancile Punishlot, I like the Ancile one better. It fits my play style, so I'm having a lot of fun with it! Fun is more important to me than reaching the Master's or Champ's league. Results of my experimenting: * I like that the Ancile provides more health and can regenerate, plus protect the bot from surprise attacks * I like the flexibility of being able to shoot from far away but also being able to do more damage up close. * Finally, I like the high cycle DPS. The lower cycle DPS of Orkans frustrated and bored me. Thank you all again |
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Post by milty72 on Oct 31, 2018 21:45:45 GMT -5
I've run my Ancilot as a scourge/orkan.
Scourge starts the damage from afar whilst you wander in at a great rate of slow and then when within range send in the rockets.
Not an great help for your shield issue but I was finding more ancile than shield on the battlefield.
Anyway I found it a good balanced build most of the time.
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Post by anjian on Nov 1, 2018 4:44:15 GMT -5
I have a Taran Ancilot and I'm looking to equip a second Lancelot to deal with robots that have physical shields. At first I tired an Orkan Ancilot, but with my play style I got tired of the fact that it takes 23 seconds to fully reload. For sure I'm going to get two punisher Ts. I'm wondering whether to add an avenger or stick with the Ancile. What are the benefits / disadvantages to both, and to that end which do you like better? I'm looking for the best combination of attack and defense for beacon holding / defending (I have other robots for hunting) Please leave advice to either Ancile Punisher or Avenger Punisher.Anciles will no longer save you. At least with the Avenger you can go down in glory inflicting pain and death before you are destroyed. |
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Post by k5aid on Nov 1, 2018 6:25:53 GMT -5
Personally, I run an Ancille scourge setup. It allows for fighting at distance effectively as well as close up.
The shields of the Lance do quite well. scourge allows for 600m and under fighting. Just stand outside of 500m and Shock the Monkey.
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Post by thapusher on Nov 1, 2018 8:32:22 GMT -5
I have a hard time removing the ancille from my lancelot .... it just compliments the robot so friggin well. In fact, I've tried to move away from the ancille/Taran setup simply because i like to try and change things up .... but i always come back to it, it just works so well Even against physical shielded opponents, if your Tarans are upgraded well enough, the Lancelot can usually absorb enough back and forth that you will eventually break the opponents physical shield before you take too much dmg.
that being said, it may be worth 2x punishers/avenger setup if you want, I use this setup on my inquisitor and it wrecks. even at max range you do ok damage, but once your withing 350 or less, it destroys both energy and physical shields, and rips bots to pieces. the 10 sec reload time can bite you sometimes if your in the thick of it, but the ammo capacity is great enough for you try to and manage that without being caught with your robo-pants down.
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Post by 002bestgirl on Nov 1, 2018 13:03:01 GMT -5
I like Ancile-Ecu Lances. Its really good for capping and holding beacons.
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Post by blurpleflatwing on Nov 1, 2018 14:50:25 GMT -5
Avenger/Punisher all the way. I've run it recently and compared even to a Punisher Griff it puts out way more damage. The T's themselves as pointed out aren't enough, you need the Avenger to really be a threat. It brings down most anciles in a hurry and will take out a carnage with a single clip. Nice part too as mentioned is that it works well for brawling as well as at range.
That being said, I like the ancilot combo enough that I've got a second lancelot in the lab (done tomorrow) that i will use with tarans/ancile as well.
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Post by k5aid on Nov 1, 2018 22:15:39 GMT -5
When I was a noob, I had an under leveled Lancelot and sold it @ level 4, I think. After the rebalance I wondered if I should be shot for doing that! Luckily, I won one in a 100 key spin and now he sits @ level 9 with ancille and scourges. I plan on fully getting him to Mk ii...
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Post by aaronc on Nov 1, 2018 23:55:36 GMT -5
Something you might also want to consider when making your choice is how long do you need the Lancelot to last on the field. If you have 5 bots in the hanger and another heavy hitter or two then you might not need to keep the Lance alive so long so drop the Ancil and deal damage with the Avenger. If you need that Lance to stick around then the Ancile might be the way to go.
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Post by erik1 on Nov 2, 2018 0:55:55 GMT -5
Something you might also want to consider when making your choice is how long do you need the Lancelot to last on the field. If you have 5 bots in the hanger and another heavy hitter or two then you might not need to keep the Lance alive so long so drop the Ancil and deal damage with the Avenger. If you need that Lance to stick around then the Ancile might be the way to go. Yes, it is indeed a Lance that needs to stick around. I've just finished a game where I was bombarded over and over again with missiles but successfully held the beacon thanks to the Ancile. Plus got a triple kill So yes, the punisher setup isn't the best damage dealer, but for what I'd like to do, it works |
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Post by bonecollector on Jan 24, 2019 22:14:30 GMT -5
i have used avenger/puns exclusively on leos, natashas and fury just to prove a point that the 'fancy-pants' bots are a joke and for people who lack skills and need bots who cater to the handicapped in order to play. I've walked through all tiers, straight into champion league in rapid succession, and im eating my way up through that still. Here is the truth about the leadhose: unless your guns are AT LEAST lvl 9's, it'll take you a week of sustained fire to take anything down. Bots getting fired on with avengers and puns usually return fire with extreme prejudice
Pun-T with no avenger? id say at least lvl 10 or your gonna get tired of getting hammered when you advance in tiers. Use the nuclear module and be sure to upgrade them. Avengers recently got nerfed 6% but if you max out 2 nuclear reactor modules, you end up with all that 6% back plus an extra 2% buff for some really nice firepower that backs pilots the hell away from you, or deletes the bot from the match if they try to fight back while your guns are spooled up.
check out the stats on the War Robots wiki. if im not mistaken, avengers have the most damage output in the game. and they produce the most Ag and gold from battles and tasks. If you go for avenger/puns (which i am strongly for)...*ahem* BE SURE TO LEVEL THEM UP! all 7 of mine are lvl 11. i dont bother with taking cover for anyone. enemy reds do their best to stay clear away from me, and thats ok lol. anything over lvl 9 and you may find it addictive. Hope this helps.
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Post by moody on Jan 24, 2019 23:30:02 GMT -5
If you are after an anti shield bot - go ember. either taran ember or orkan ember (with slightly different uses).
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Post by cheap on Jan 25, 2019 0:16:08 GMT -5
i run a Lance Dragoon/(2)Pulsar which is fun, but the Avenger/Pun was a Excellent build. with that typed AG wise the A/P build is by far the most bang for the AG and upgrade Time.
waiting for the Calamity to drop, one of the few Weapons i have been waiting for and want,so gonna drop Google Gift card $$$ on this weapon.
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Post by foxypotato on Jan 25, 2019 18:40:41 GMT -5
Punisher Ancile sucks. I've ran it. Avenger Punisher for sure. With the camo skin it is a mean looking machine. Avenger Storm is also good from what I hear.
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Post by milty72 on Jan 25, 2019 19:17:37 GMT -5
i have used avenger/puns exclusively on leos, natashas and fury just to prove a point that the 'fancy-pants' bots are a joke and for people who lack skills and need bots who cater to the handicapped in order to play. I've walked through all tiers, straight into champion league in rapid succession, and im eating my way up through that still. Here is the truth about the leadhose: unless your guns are AT LEAST lvl 9's, it'll take you a week of sustained fire to take anything down. Bots getting fired on with avengers and puns usually return fire with extreme prejudice Pun-T with no avenger? id say at least lvl 10 or your gonna get tired of getting hammered when you advance in tiers. Use the nuclear module and be sure to upgrade them. Avengers recently got nerfed 6% but if you max out 2 nuclear reactor modules, you end up with all that 6% back plus an extra 2% buff for some really nice firepower that backs pilots the hell away from you, or deletes the bot from the match if they try to fight back while your guns are spooled up. check out the stats on the War Robots wiki. if im not mistaken, avengers have the most damage output in the game. and they produce the most Ag and gold from battles and tasks. If you go for avenger/puns (which i am strongly for)...*ahem* BE SURE TO LEVEL THEM UP! all 7 of mine are lvl 11. i dont bother with taking cover for anyone. enemy reds do their best to stay clear away from me, and thats ok lol. anything over lvl 9 and you may find it addictive. Hope this helps. I love my Leadhose Leo. I have mine with level 10 Avenger/Punisher. Not all that much of a lengthy investment and they carve up most bots. Get in a good crossfire situation or even get a good beacon drop and oh yeah come and get some. I have leveled standard armour mods on the Leo due to not getting an active health mod and 8% is noticeable. |
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Post by kevmac on Jan 25, 2019 23:48:58 GMT -5
I have a Taran Ancilot and I'm looking to equip a second Lancelot to deal with robots that have physical shields. At first I tired an Orkan Ancilot, but with my play style I got tired of the fact that it takes 23 seconds to fully reload. For sure I'm going to get two punisher Ts. I'm wondering whether to add an avenger or stick with the Ancile. What are the benefits / disadvantages to both, and to that end which do you like better? I'm looking for the best combination of attack and defense for beacon holding / defending (I have other robots for hunting) Please leave advice to either Ancile Punisher or Avenger Punisher.Due to its speed, ancilot needs a weapon that doesn't require a long wait for reloads and has a little reach. Thus, scourge... or storm... or punisher. So I'd actually steer you to Avenger/Storm. That's going to put the most lead down range and will eat up both physical _and_ energy shields. ETA: or Avenger/Storm/Corona If forced to choose it'd be Avenger,Punisher.An Ancilelot is the only set up I'd consider when using an Ancile. |
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