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Post by Tripzter on Oct 30, 2016 17:17:13 GMT -5
So from my search I've discovered that there are multiple tiers but what is the cutoff? I found some information but it's old and according to the page invalid. Is there a new updated page?
As a beginner player I dont want to end up getting my fancy mech and then end up getting placed against the veterans with 1 good mech and 2 beginner mechs in my garage.
Thanks for reading.
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Post by KaneoheGrown on Oct 30, 2016 17:23:46 GMT -5
If you're starting off, don't go higher than medium bots @ level 4 with weapons averaging 6.5. Don't use any heavies (the mm penalty will automatically push you up a tier)
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Post by Tripzter on Oct 30, 2016 17:27:29 GMT -5
ok so upgrading my mechs to tier 4 with weapons at tier 6 will keep me in the beginner bracket?
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Post by Divine Thunder on Oct 30, 2016 18:16:54 GMT -5
First -Tiers are our creation. We the users developed the tier system because Pix was not telling us anything. The tiers were reversed engineered by experience and experimentation.
Basically the tiers are rookie, low/high bronze, low/high silver and essentually gold.
There are no rigid boundaries. And I basically forget where we believe they are.
Low silver seems to break to high silver at light bot 4/12, medium 4/9 and heavy 6/5. The first number is the lvl of the bot, the second the average of the weapons.
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Post by pilotp2ltb on Oct 30, 2016 18:23:58 GMT -5
I don't think it is that cut and dry. I don't fully understand matchmaking but it seems like there are always a few random overpowered people thrown in. Maybe to fill out a group. I run a 4/6 upper bronze hangar and pretty frequently see wsp bots, especially fujin and occasionally a rhino, so think of it as more of a general guideline rather than an absolute rule. Here is what little I have read from the forums so far:
Your mm score does go off of the strongest bot so it is best to keep your hangar even. Having one wasp or shield bot should usually move you up to low gold ranks. Having large bots gives you a severe penalty that is not worth it until gold rank. It is considered optimized to keep your weapons two levels above your bot, though some people go far more and a lot of successful people seem to keep weapons at twice bot level. There is a significant penalty for having too high of a win ratio, though I do not have accurate numbers about what it does.
Low Bronze - Stuff like a 3/5 thunder schultz
High bronze - 4/6 mediums
Low silver - 4/9 mediums
High silver - ? ? ?
Low gold - wsp bots, britbots, the realm of rhinos and missile griffins.
High gold - Here there be dragons
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Post by Tripzter on Oct 30, 2016 18:45:30 GMT -5
Does the number of mechs you have chosen add up? Like if you have 1 mech that is low silver qualified and no other mechs will you get thrown into low silver or will you get thrown in a lower game because you have only 1 mech? by the same theory if you have 5 high bronze mechs will you get thrown in a higher ranking because you have 5 of them?
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Post by Zhøu™ on Oct 30, 2016 19:06:07 GMT -5
Does the number of mechs you have chosen add up? Like if you have 1 mech that is low silver qualified and no other mechs will you get thrown into low silver or will you get thrown in a lower game because you have only 1 mech? by the same theory if you have 5 high bronze mechs will you get thrown in a higher ranking because you have 5 of them? MM only considers your strongest bot in paper. So if you have 5 bots, 4 are bronze tier, and 1 is silver, you will be matched based on the silver bot. |
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Post by boomsplat on Oct 30, 2016 19:08:53 GMT -5
No, it only goes by your strongest bot. Read thru the wiki on threads like What I Wish I Knew....you'll see people typically make the mistake of getting med and heavy bots and leveling them up before getting their weapons ready first. You will go up against more experienced players with more advanced bots and get crushed....I know I did. Light and med bots lvl 2-4 and weps to 6 should keep you in bronze. On light bots, you can push your weps higher to lvl12 and stay in silver.
At times when there are fewer people on, you will see more mismatches as MM tries to get players into matches and pulls players from different tiers together - it will happen. Learn from it and keep having fun.
This game is a blast....figure out what works for your style of play and investment and keep learning and asking questions. Especially helpful if you snapshot your hanger and post it with questions to get feedback.
Cheers!
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Post by bagofsoup on Oct 30, 2016 20:30:58 GMT -5
People have created or discovered formulas for calculating bot and hangar strength across the entire spectrum. It's a bit hard to follow for me. Here's a simplified version that just shows some of the tiers:
Low bronze is all light bots up to 4/6.
High bronze is 4/9 lights, 4/6 mediums, (6/3 heavys?)
Low silver is 4/12 lights, 4/9 mediums, (6/4.5 heavys)
The heavys are tricky and can push you up a bit some times. Not really worth it until high silver or low gold anyway. I can get a 6/4 or 6/4.5 griffin to work though. Most other heavys aren't worth it at this level. Shield bots and wsp purchased bots will also push you up higher. They either need to be way lower in bot and gun level to get into a tier, or they shine better at high silver and low gold and just need to be upgraded higher.
High silver I'm not sure, but let's suppose 8/12 lights?, 8/10 mediums?, 6/8 heavys. Not sure on the wsp bots and shield bots here. By high silver and low gold their matchmaking penalty is mostly negligible.
Low gold is 12/12 lights?, 10/10 mediums?, 9/9 heavys? Quite frankly, once you get to low gold, there is a smaller player pool and matches tend to get blended together. You will see guys with up to 12/12 hangars thrown in here and there. Occasionally you will face a hangar of 12/12 guys, especially if you platoon with 3-6 players.
* These are all basic numbers. The MM formula floating around here can give more specifics, like a 1/10 light bot can get in where a 4/8 might be, or a 6/6, etc. plus, players who are under level 30 may ger higher bots or wsp and shield bots in lower matches, or a high or low win % rate can affect things. I also have a working theory that if you use gold to purchase any gold bots, whether purchased or farmed gold, MM will ease up for you for up to 24-36 hours. Has happened to me multiple times after getting shield bots, including the last 36 hours after farming 5000 gold for a Lancelot. Just a working theory.
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Post by Tripzter on Oct 30, 2016 20:58:20 GMT -5
Sweet, thanks for the feedback. Got another question. Are all mechs given the same MM rating based on upgrade level and weight class or is X_light mech a higher rating than Y_light mech at the default lvl 1?
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Post by daniel012 on Oct 30, 2016 21:04:55 GMT -5
I don't think it is that cut and dry. I don't fully understand matchmaking but it seems like there are always a few random overpowered people thrown in. Maybe to fill out a group. I run a 4/6 upper bronze hangar and pretty frequently see wsp bots, especially fujin and occasionally a rhino, so think of it as more of a general guideline rather than an absolute rule. Here is what little I have read from the forums so far: Your mm score does go off of the strongest bot so it is best to keep your hangar even. Having one wasp or shield bot should usually move you up to low gold ranks. Having large bots gives you a severe penalty that is not worth it until gold rank. It is considered optimized to keep your weapons two levels above your bot, though some people go far more and a lot of successful people seem to keep weapons at twice bot level. There is a significant penalty for having too high of a win ratio, though I do not have accurate numbers about what it does. Low Bronze - Stuff like a 3/5 thunder schultz High bronze - 4/6 mediums Low silver - 4/9 mediums High silver - ? ? ? Low gold - wsp bots, britbots, the realm of rhinos and missile griffins. High gold - Mysterious elder masters. Their exact practices are unknown but avoid if you value your life. Takes a year to reach can we trade weapon level for bot level, for instance what tier is 2/7 med? thanks |
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Post by boomsplat on Oct 30, 2016 21:30:00 GMT -5
Sweet, thanks for the feedback. Got another question. Are all mechs given the same MM rating based on upgrade level and weight class or is X_light mech a higher rating than Y_light mech at the default lvl 1? I think the only bots with a MM penalty are the shield/wsp bots as bagofsoup says above. Bots at the same lvl and same weps are the same. the other impact on MM is your winning %...I think for every 10% above 50%, it throws in a factor to your hanger score for MM. Again as bagofsoup states, Pixonic has never come out with the algorithm....if you notice something changing in your opponent level, think about what you may have changed or time of day or winning %. If I notice something with a wep upgrade, I'll drop in lvl 1 weps and then swap out the wep in question to see what impact it is having on my tiering. |
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Post by Zhøu™ on Oct 30, 2016 21:39:04 GMT -5
I don't think it is that cut and dry. I don't fully understand matchmaking but it seems like there are always a few random overpowered people thrown in. Maybe to fill out a group. I run a 4/6 upper bronze hangar and pretty frequently see wsp bots, especially fujin and occasionally a rhino, so think of it as more of a general guideline rather than an absolute rule. Here is what little I have read from the forums so far: Your mm score does go off of the strongest bot so it is best to keep your hangar even. Having one wasp or shield bot should usually move you up to low gold ranks. Having large bots gives you a severe penalty that is not worth it until gold rank. It is considered optimized to keep your weapons two levels above your bot, though some people go far more and a lot of successful people seem to keep weapons at twice bot level. There is a significant penalty for having too high of a win ratio, though I do not have accurate numbers about what it does. Low Bronze - Stuff like a 3/5 thunder schultz High bronze - 4/6 mediums Low silver - 4/9 mediums High silver - ? ? ? Low gold - wsp bots, britbots, the realm of rhinos and missile griffins. High gold - Mysterious elder masters. Their exact practices are unknown but avoid if you value your life. Takes a year to reach can we trade weapon level for bot level, for instance what tier is 2/7 med? thanks 2/7 med should still be in High Bronze. |
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