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Post by raidenii on Oct 17, 2018 21:20:51 GMT -5
Hi all,
Need help. Going to get either a Hover or a Raven. Anyone with these 2 robots, can give me advice on which to get?
I don't want to waste time getting one of these and then regret my choice since it takes 1 month to produce 1 bot.
Thanks!
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Post by moody on Oct 17, 2018 21:38:02 GMT -5
Hi all, Need help. Going to get either a Hover or a Raven. Anyone with these 2 robots, can give me advice on which to get? I don't want to waste time getting one of these and then regret my choice since it takes 1 month to produce 1 bot. Thanks! Neither are top tier bots. both are good in different ways and about on par with one another imho. |
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Post by Domino on Oct 17, 2018 21:56:49 GMT -5
Hover seems to be more fun to play, just because he can do different things. Raven is a bit more serious. More firepower and double jump gets him into the battle fast, in some situations faster then hover.
Hover is a dime a dozen, I assume that's because more people like/use him vs Raven
Hover 1st
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2018 22:21:29 GMT -5
I don't have a Raven. I do have 2 old econ Hovers, they are very fun to pilot and wouldn't replace either for a Raven.
By the way, I've shelved my level 12 Spectre for a 2nd Hover in my CQC hangar...
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Post by metal on Oct 17, 2018 22:22:39 GMT -5
They are not good in higher league bcoz both are easy target in the air. Inquisitor and spectre (despite the nerfed) are superior bcoz both got stealth.
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Post by Old-Cat on Oct 17, 2018 22:30:16 GMT -5
They are not good in higher league bcoz both are easy target in the air. Inquisitor and spectre (despite the nerfed) are superior bcoz both got stealth. Hum... I’m pretty sure Earl is in Champion league I run one in master for beacon rush as my first bot, it’s hoot. |
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Post by AcuityAxiom on Oct 17, 2018 22:44:02 GMT -5
From a technical standpoint, Hover's movement is vertical with a slowed descent, while Raven is more suited for moving in an arc, or for a time, horizontally (When jumps are chained).
Raven has one more light slot than Hover, giving it a higher damage output, depending on what you arm it with, but has a lower health pool than Hover. In short, Raven is faster and deals more damage, but Hover has more survivability, though both suffer in the presence of a sniper.
So it depends, do you want to move fast and eat kick a*s or rain gunfire from the heavens?
I've never piloted a hover outside of skirmish, and we know those ones were tweaked, but I've studied the ability long enough to know how it functions somewhat.
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Post by cheap on Oct 17, 2018 22:49:14 GMT -5
i would say get the Hover. the Hover is a Very, Very ,Very UNDERRATED Bot. it Mobility, Hp, Ability make it a Great Platform for a Plethora of Builds, it can pull off shots that no Bot can it can Survive in a Scrap if it has too, it has the Speed that it can pull Reds away from the Beacon with a good loadout.
But.... i have 2 Pre-N.E.Hovers already lvl'd to 9 so it will be awhile till that N.E. Hover Tree Bears that that Delectable Fruit that is a maxed speed Hover.
the Raven i have right now is only lvl 7 it's Hp are just a little lower then a lvl 9 Griff but it is Faster with a Double Jump. your play style will Determine its Effectiveness.
i play the Raven as Jump into the Fray unload and jump back out. i also do Feints alot with the Double jump ability. it jump agility is Great, what other Bot can jump forward and do Sharp turns in Mid-Air while Strafing Reds besides a Hover.
as i typed my Raven is only 7 right now as i'am playing leveling Leap frog with another Bot and 2 other Weapons.
i don't know what Bots are available at the Moment in Custom matches but you might want to check it out to see if either Hover or Raven are in there. if you Do Test Server you could wait till Friday, that way you can Run both with a loadout you would like to run on either.
edit: your Leveling and League goals are important too
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Post by eco on Oct 17, 2018 22:51:19 GMT -5
indeed both bots are not champion bots. I don’t have a raven.I think he is too similar to the griffin and his extra speedy jumps ate what makes him shine but the special ability is pretty limited imho. Also I can’t rembember when I saw one in battle
My tip Hover with tulumbas pin maybe a shredder. Thats how I use him. Shredder I am not shure about. The bot is alot of fun. With practice you can avoid 90% of rocket damage with your jump. You can fly criss cross the map. His walking speed is very high. And you get to higher level structure very easy. The ability cooldown is low so alot of action guaranteed. Get the bot to 10 at least and aim for mk2 tulus
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Post by cheap on Oct 17, 2018 22:53:32 GMT -5
From a technical standpoint, Hover's movement is vertical with a slowed descent, while Raven is more suited for moving in an arc, or for a time, horizontally (When jumps are chained). Raven has one more light slot than Hover, giving it a higher damage output, depending on what you arm it with, but has a lower health pool than Hover. In short, Raven is faster and deals more damage, but Hover has more survivability, though both suffer in the presence of a sniper. So it depends, do you want to move fast and eat kick a*s or rain gunfire from the heavens? I've never piloted a hover outside of skirmish, and we know those ones were tweaked, but I've studied the ability long enough to know how it functions somewhat. with a Hover you can bump a ledge to stop your Vertical and Skate across the terrain at a good rate of Speed but it takes some Practice to get the timing right . he's right with the Raven double jump speed it can cover ground quickly. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2018 23:00:14 GMT -5
They are not good in higher league bcoz both are easy target in the air. Inquisitor and spectre (despite the nerfed) are superior bcoz both got stealth. Hum... I’m pretty sure Earl is in Champion league I run one in master for beacon rush as my first bot, it’s hoot. I'd agree with metal for TDM and many other situations, but for me its about fun and contributing to the win instead of damage damage and more damage. Quiz and Spectre are mighty good, no secret there, but their ability to contribute getting wins and Hover's ability to contribute to the win have very different dynamics, but the "gap", so to speak, is debatable with Hover ability, 228k HP, and Spark/Scourge build . If I'm running 2 Hovers in the CQC hangar, I expect my teammates to have good stealth brawlers, and whatever they don't finish off, I definitely will (from a long way off usually) in spite of red's efforts to hide somewhere and recharge their stealth.
I have north of 1 M damage matches where I survived the center beacon encounter and went on terrorizing everything weak. This is possible on some maps, and very iffy on others (Yam, Canyon, Springfield) As long as you view Scourge Hover as a flanker, and not a brawler, everything will be fine. The ability for me is mostly attack and defense only (have fun trying to take me out with Tulus or Orkans), getting on top of a building to get sniping point, etc. Travel is fine at 60 km/hr thanks to 4.3, so there are only a few places where I'll fly to travel, e.g. over the two walls at the spawn area of Moon to get the right-most beacon, same on Dead City, etc.
The special sauce with Hover isn't the bot alone, it is the Scourge/Spark synergy. These weapons with the ability combined is a lot to deal with for any bot...Godlike is easy for this bot if you manage your distance effectively, prey on stray reds, compliment blue brawlers and cappers, etc.
Edit: I'm not suggesting this is a top-meta bot, as such, but if the limitations are respected Hover is definitely deserving precious hangar space in any league. There are far less prickly paths than Hover, but I'm not into hiding and waiting for my stealth to recharge as much as I am enjoying the matches in squad or solo, getting that win...
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Post by Old-Cat on Oct 17, 2018 23:21:38 GMT -5
Hum... I’m pretty sure Earl is in Champion league I run one in master for beacon rush as my first bot, it’s hoot. I'd agree with metal for TDM and many other situations, but for me its about fun and contributing to the win instead of damage damage and more damage. Quiz and Spectre are mighty good, no secret there, but their ability to contribute getting wins and Hover's ability to contribute to the win have very different dynamics, but the "gap", so to speak, is debatable with Hover ability, 228k HP, and Spark/Scourge build . If I'm running 2 Hovers in the CQC hangar, I expect my teammates to have good stealth brawlers, and whatever they don't finish off, I definitely will (from a long way off usually) in spite of red's efforts to hide somewhere and recharge their stealth.
I have north of 1 M damage matches where I survived the center beacon encounter and went on terrorizing everything weak. This is possible on some maps, and very iffy on others (Yam, Canyon, Springfield) As long as you view Scourge Hover as a flanker, and not a brawler, everything will be fine. The ability for me is mostly attack and defense only (have fun trying to take me out with Tulus or Orkans), getting on top of a building to get sniping point, etc. Travel is fine at 60 km/hr thanks to 4.3, so there are only a few places where I'll fly to travel, e.g. over the two walls the spawn area of Moon to get the right-most beacon, etc.
The special sauce with Hover isn't the bot alone, it is the Scourge/Spark synergy. These weapons with the ability combined is a lot to deal with for any bot...Godlike is easy for this bot if you manage your distance effectively, prey on stray reds, compliment blue brawlers and cappers, etc.
I don’t have any scourge or sparks so I’m using a shredder and tarans. The shredder has from a quick bump up frozen more than a few hell burners steps from center... haha.. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2018 23:26:38 GMT -5
I'd agree with metal for TDM and many other situations, but for me its about fun and contributing to the win instead of damage damage and more damage. Quiz and Spectre are mighty good, no secret there, but their ability to contribute getting wins and Hover's ability to contribute to the win have very different dynamics, but the "gap", so to speak, is debatable with Hover ability, 228k HP, and Spark/Scourge build . If I'm running 2 Hovers in the CQC hangar, I expect my teammates to have good stealth brawlers, and whatever they don't finish off, I definitely will (from a long way off usually) in spite of red's efforts to hide somewhere and recharge their stealth.
I have north of 1 M damage matches where I survived the center beacon encounter and went on terrorizing everything weak. This is possible on some maps, and very iffy on others (Yam, Canyon, Springfield) As long as you view Scourge Hover as a flanker, and not a brawler, everything will be fine. The ability for me is mostly attack and defense only (have fun trying to take me out with Tulus or Orkans), getting on top of a building to get sniping point, etc. Travel is fine at 60 km/hr thanks to 4.3, so there are only a few places where I'll fly to travel, e.g. over the two walls the spawn area of Moon to get the right-most beacon, etc.
The special sauce with Hover isn't the bot alone, it is the Scourge/Spark synergy. These weapons with the ability combined is a lot to deal with for any bot...Godlike is easy for this bot if you manage your distance effectively, prey on stray reds, compliment blue brawlers and cappers, etc.
I don’t have any scourge or sparks so I’m using a shredder and tarans. The shredder has from a quick bump up frozen more than a few hell burners steps from center... haha.. I go back and forth between Halo and Shredder on the light slot. My Pulsars and Shredder are under-leveled, but still do ok as a stopper on first drop. I like this build too, and imagine it will be great once leveled.
However, my fav first drop build is still Scourge/Halo, and if I have other runners with me, we'll be good at center.
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Post by pattykun16 on Oct 17, 2018 23:38:48 GMT -5
Well Hover has way more health and speed than a Raven, especially with the buff it gained from the 4.3 update. Hover can use its ability more quickly than a Raven and travels dang fast on land at 60km. Using your ability often can also be useful for pinpointing direct locations and the bots you will encounter, as well as the weapons they have. Raven is slower and a bit more squishy than the Raven, but it can double jump, enabling it to zoom through areas quickly. However, the jumps are more focused horizontally than vertically, so it isn't one of the best bots to jump over obstacles and buildings with one jump. What Raven lacks in stats, it makes up for having 1 extra light weapon slot. Everything counts on the battlefield and an extra weapon slot of any type will surely make an impact. Anything that the Hover can do in firepower, the Raven can do a bit more. Both bots can evade attacks from rockets and missile (Aphids, Vortex, and Thermite) very well, although I think Hover can avoid them better. Both bots also are very flexible at whatever weapon you equip: it could be a brawler, a knife fighter, or a distant sniper. Whatever you put on these bots, they will somehow make it work (just make sure it matches your playstyle). A shared disadvantage with the two are that in midair, they are very vulnerable to attacks such as plasma and snipes, especially with the Hover because you go high up into the air.
So in the end, it really depends on your preference. If you like being durable and fast at the same time while raining fire above your enemies (so out of their sight), go for the Hover. If you like battles with lots of firepower and mobility, go for the Raven. If you like the Griffin bot, you may like the Raven too because it's basically a Griffin but better.
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Post by hjn on Oct 17, 2018 23:40:54 GMT -5
I recently dusted off my Hover too, it's fast on the ground but the jump is close to useless, the gliding is better used by stepping off edges. That said on the crashed spaceship map and carrier map the vertical ascension can be used to deal a good rocket burst to targets that are caught completely unaware.
Also Hover Hasan big health pool. I don't have a Raven and I see few in high D low E. In the TS is fun to pilot but it's like a Griffin on steroids for the jump, it's useful as long as the reds mistake you for one and the 2nd jump throws them off.
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Post by ezekielcrow on Oct 18, 2018 1:44:30 GMT -5
I play 3 lv9 hovers in gold diamond and a raven (currently levelling to 9). Meta bots they are not. But both are lots of fun and played right are a significant threat on the field due to the firepower they carry, and the distances they can quickly cover. Both are awesome in turning a close fight into a lopsided one. Both are great at reinforcing attack vectors and creating new ones.Both are also tricky to play and are hypersesnsitive to snipers.
The Hover does a lot of things well and, as earlier stated pairs well with a spark/scourge combo, it has an hp advantage and faster ground speed and a high short arc when jump making it awesome in maps with ample cover.
I've only used my Raven for rocket builds though, preferring an RDB set up to maximize reach and minimize time out of cover. It does well in this role, allowing me to (at times) rescue blue team mates reloading during an engagement in addition to getting reds to react.
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Post by lewis on Oct 18, 2018 3:45:43 GMT -5
I recently dusted off my Hover too, it's fast on the ground but the jump is close to useless, the gliding is better used by stepping off edges. That said on the crashed spaceship map and carrier map the vertical ascension can be used to deal a good rocket burst to targets that are caught completely unaware. Also Hover Hasan big health pool. I don't have a Raven and I see few in high D low E. In the TS is fun to pilot but it's like a Griffin on steroids for the jump, it's useful as long as the reds mistake you for one and the 2nd jump throws them off. From a standstill, the jump is mostly useless. Take a few steps for a running start and make your own edge. Dont drain your whole charge at once, and don’t stab and hold that button. It’s also been my experience that if you just step off a real edge, you waste a lot of juice just getting back to travelling, let alone having enough to maneuver. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 7:02:48 GMT -5
Hi all, Need help. Going to get either a Hover or a Raven. Anyone with these 2 robots, can give me advice on which to get? I don't want to waste time getting one of these and then regret my choice since it takes 1 month to produce 1 bot. Thanks! Hover's higher HP and much higher speed more than make up for having one less light weapon than Raven. That amount of extra damage is negligable compared to the far more beneficial tradeoffs Hover offers. Also, with hover's ability in hands of a dexterous pilot, hover is near-immune to slow-traveling short range weapon such as: Orkan/Pinatas/Ember. **Raven is faster than hover only a small fraction of the time when double jumping.** Hover is the superior bot between the two in ALMOST every aspect. However, there is another trade off. Hover takes time to learn to use. Raven can be mastered almost out of the box. There is perhaps no bot in the game that requires more practice, study, and talent to fully unlock It's optimum performance than Hover. Adept pilots can expect a learning curve of 1-2 months at least. -P.S.: Earl keep your mitts off my post's like button. |
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Post by Koalabear on Oct 18, 2018 7:07:33 GMT -5
I run 3 Hovers and 1 Raven. Guess which one I prefer?
Both bots are pretty mobile and before I would have said that it as an even toss up with an edge to the Hover due to lower upgrade times. I'm not sure what the upgrade times are now, so double check that. After the recent buffs to the Hover, I have to say, hands down Hover for pure fun and excitement. Raven is still a fun bot, but it's basically Griffin Mark 2. So if you're a Griffin fan, you can't go wrong with setting a goal to replace your Griffins with Ravens. Similar playstyles, almost double the mobility.
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Post by raidenii on Oct 18, 2018 10:02:52 GMT -5
Thanks all who replied. I know the good and bad for both bots. I will just get Hover for first, then Raven in the coming months. I like using Griffins, got me to where I am now. I don't like shooting from afar, I like to be where the action is. Looking to get some fun bots now.
I have a Scourge, just need to get another scourge and a spark.
I have a list of bots I want to get, Pursuer, Strider or a Kumiho. I don't have any fast bots at the moment, in my hanger, the "good" bots I have are Falcon, Bulgasari, Haechi, Inquisitor and Spectre, all level 5.
I would also like to have a Mender (I already have a Halo. I got free components of Pulsar and Shredder from the Royale, Honour chest (whatever you call that) which I can easily complete for both in just 2 weeks and put it on the Mender).
Currently, my Bulgasari is on the shelf...I find it gets killed too easily. Been replaced by my DB Griffin (L9) for now.
Oh...I was lucky, in Gold chest, I got 8000 Invader components. Now I have 8150 components of that. Just have to wait for it to appear in WS.
Not going upgrade to more than L7, anything higher is too expensive and time consuming, because of the NE. If Pixonic did not quickly make changes to the upgrade times, I would have got those bots in 2 months. I guess, the new players would not want to play this game...just ridiculous.
I am a F2P player, only started playing in Gameroom in the middle of Jun this year. If I were to be introduced with this game at this stage, I would say bye bye to this.
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Post by ░SᑌᑕKᗩ░ᘻC░ on Oct 18, 2018 10:56:32 GMT -5
Thanks all who replied. I know the good and bad for both bots. I will just get Hover for first, then Raven in the coming months. I like using Griffins, got me to where I am now. I don't like shooting from afar, I like to be where the action is. Looking to get some fun bots now. I have a Scourge, just need to get another scourge and a spark. I have a list of bots I want to get, Pursuer, Strider or a Kumiho. I don't have any fast bots at the moment, in my hanger, the "good" bots I have are Falcon, Bulgasari, Haechi, Inquisitor and Spectre, all level 5. I would also like to have a Mender (I already have a Halo. I got free components of Pulsar and Shredder from the Royale, Honour chest (whatever you call that) which I can easily complete for both in just 2 weeks and put it on the Mender). Currently, my Bulgasari is on the shelf...I find it gets killed too easily. Been replaced by my DB Griffin (L9) for now. Oh...I was lucky, in Gold chest, I got 8000 Invader components. Now I have 8150 components of that. Just have to wait for it to appear in WS. Not going upgrade to more than L7, anything higher is too expensive and time consuming, because of the NE. If Pixonic did not quickly make changes to the upgrade times, I would have got those bots in 2 months. I guess, the new players would not want to play this game...just ridiculous. I am a F2P player, only started playing in Gameroom in the middle of Jun this year. If I were to be introduced with this game at this stage, I would say bye bye to this. If you like the Griffin you'll love the Raven. The Hover is a fantastic bot; piloted correctly it is one of the most versatile and deadly in the game. It will also have a learning curve if you are not used to using it. If you are decent with the Griff I say get the Raven first. |
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Post by heavypiece on Oct 18, 2018 12:10:51 GMT -5
I don't have a Raven... But I totally enjoy my Hover.
Two Scourges and a Spark make it a killing machine.
With the target lock weapons, flying across the battle field
gives the Hover angles of attack that no other bots have.
When Red bots with low HP are hiding behind obstacles,
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Post by Koalabear on Oct 18, 2018 12:20:28 GMT -5
raidenii, I'm with @?S??K???C? on this. If you're a Griffin lover, then there will be less of a learning curve with the Raven. But, on the other hand, it also might be too similar for you to really have fun... Play the Skirmishes every time they come out and see which bot you actually have more fun in. There's a Raven this week, there was a Hover last week.
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Post by Loganspawn on Oct 18, 2018 12:20:42 GMT -5
They are not good in higher league bcoz both are easy target in the air. Inquisitor and spectre (despite the nerfed) are superior bcoz both got stealth. Hum... I’m pretty sure Earl is in Champion league I run one in master for beacon rush as my first bot, it’s hoot. Our clan KOMM is ranked in the Top 20 on Android. All are champion players and I know at least one of our clan members runs a Hover in his main hangar. Like most things in life its all in how you use it.  |
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Post by raidenii on Oct 18, 2018 12:41:33 GMT -5
I played both Raven and Hover in Skirmish. Better at using the Raven. But I like Hover's ability to glide, as well as the HP and speed. And...lol...I like Hover's shiny blue skin.
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Post by raidenii on Oct 18, 2018 12:48:59 GMT -5
Just a side question...why do I get bumped down so easily in Diamond League III?? I get bumped down to Gold easily after getting Diamond League III. It's like I am been purposely put into a bad team, and if I get below the top 3, I get like -22 points deducted...that is crazy. If you win a game well, you don't get 22 points, i think. Thanks to Pixonic, I guess.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 13:01:42 GMT -5
I played both Raven and Hover in Skirmish. Better at using the Raven. But I like Hover's ability to glide, as well as the HP and speed. And...lol...I like Hover's shiny blue skin. I like her HP, speed, etc. but yeah, the shiny blue skin is great.
And lips w/the cig...Humphrey Bogart has nothing on her. Zero!
And those shoes...heck even her purse has "I've got good taste" written all over it.
She's a good girl, swears a lot, moody, etc., but I like her enough to put two in my non-Yam/Canyon hangar:
And the result...happy!
This was from a BR on Carrier match earlier today. Mostly Cs, but a few Ms too....good times.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 14:15:18 GMT -5
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Post by reconnecting on Oct 18, 2018 19:13:29 GMT -5
I want to make a quick comment here, as some players have pointed out that Hover jumps High and becomes a target or sort of clay pigeon for snipers. That is only if you hold down the jump and use it all at once. Dont do that. I have Hover in my main hangar and use it most of the time. You can just tap tap tap the hover button while moving and stay just above the ground zooming forward or whereever. You get places fast while also using cover. And Hovers walking speed is fast, coupled with its firepower it can hold its own in a brawl, corner shooting etc. Raven sits on the shelf right now. So with practice the Hover is great.
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Post by raidenii on Oct 18, 2018 19:23:59 GMT -5
Thanks all! Hover on the way. Followed by Pursuer and Mender.
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