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Post by TheDecepticonIdeal on Oct 14, 2018 11:51:07 GMT -5
Predator's created a video on this build. Really surprising how dangerous it can be.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 7:16:52 GMT -5
Why don’t you use an avenger Carnage? Damage is great at point blank 0-275m Good for suppressing at 400-500m.
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Post by TheDecepticonIdeal on Oct 18, 2018 11:10:09 GMT -5
Why don’t you use an avenger Carnage? Damage is great at point blank 0-275m Good for suppressing at 400-500m. My Avengers are upgrading currently. That's the build I'm planning on replacing my Tempest Carnage with. The rain of lead has fall upon my enemies very soon.
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Oct 18, 2018 11:33:59 GMT -5
Why don’t you use an avenger Carnage? Damage is great at point blank 0-275m Good for suppressing at 400-500m. My Avengers are upgrading currently. That's the build I'm planning on replacing my Tempest Carnage with. The rain of lead has fall upon my enemies very soon. Too bad you can't sub a single Bot for each battle. Tempests on long maps, Avengers on short.
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Post by TheDecepticonIdeal on Oct 19, 2018 6:51:17 GMT -5
My Avengers are upgrading currently. That's the build I'm planning on replacing my Tempest Carnage with. The rain of lead has fall upon my enemies very soon. Too bad you can't sub a single Bot for each battle. Tempests on long maps, Avengers on short. Yeah well, it is what it is. Gotta do the best you can with what you have. Still, I predominately play BR, so long range maps aren't too bad with my hanger.
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Post by >^\}VULTURE{/^< on Oct 23, 2018 7:06:24 GMT -5
So yeah, this is my current hanger. My stats are a bit lower than usual though, been squading against some Master and Champ league players with all MKII stuff which cost me. Was wondering how good is the Exodus Carnage as compared to your other builds? Sadly I didn't like the Redeemer Carnage, the RoF was too slow for me personally for such a close range weapon. The double Zues is too campy for me as well, kinda feels like a waste of the Carnage speed. I have however run both the Dragoon and Tempest builds, I like both but prefer the Avenger build over both. Just want to get some feed back before making a decision on such an expensive and time consuming build as Exodus parts produce slowly.
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Post by TheDecepticonIdeal on Oct 23, 2018 9:28:03 GMT -5
So yeah, this is my current hanger. My stats are a bit lower than usual though, been squading against some Master and Champ league players with all MKII stuff which cost me. Was wondering how good is the Exodus Carnage as compared to your other builds? Sadly I didn't like the Redeemer Carnage, the RoF was too slow for me personally for such a close range weapon. The double Zues is too campy for me as well, kinda feels like a waste of the Carnage speed. I have however run both the Dragoon and Tempest builds, I like both but prefer the Avenger build over both. Just want to get some feed back before making a decision on such an expensive and time consuming build as Exodus parts produce slowly. The Exodus is definitely worth getting in my opinion. They do quite a lot of burst damage, and when levelled up, I don't think that they would have much trouble smashing through energy shields. My exodus are both level 9, and it takes around 2/3 of my clip to go through an energy shield. The RoF of Redeemers are admittedly slow, but each shot hits like a tank. 1v1ing with Redeemers aren't recommended, but they can hold their own if you manage range well by bobbing in and out of your opponents range. Trying to fight Taran enemies out in the open with Redeemers rarely works well for me, so I suggest you retreat and find cover if forced to engage with them. When in a Zeus Carnage, you should aim to move around a lot, spamming your Rush whenever possible to get to the best positions available. That 5sec reload on Zeus should allow for a fairly engaging gameplay if you're getting to the right spots and making life hell for your enemies. I get why you would say it feels like a campy build, but you need to take advantage of the Carnage's mobility and be more aggressive. That should enhance your gameplay significantly. Dragoons are absolute killers, and should be played like a Zeus Carnage on steroids. Now, here the fun bit. Tempests are a difficult weapon to get right. That 800m range on them allows them to counter/annoy a lot of 600m weapons. On the other hand, Tempests make a decent close range setup when in a pinch, since their RoF is pretty high for a mid-long range weapon. Taking advantage of that range flexibility to counter your enemies is key to bringing the best out of Tempests. Tempest Carnage is probably the best bot to make use of that range flexibility. Haven't used an Avenger Carnage yet (still upgrading), but I'm sure it'll be a monster setup on close-mid range maps due to the 500m range. Definitely an upgrade over the Tempest.
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Post by >^\}VULTURE{/^< on Oct 23, 2018 22:51:14 GMT -5
TY for the timely response, sounds great. As for Avenger over the Tempest, it is simply a matter of clip size & RoF. As where with the tempest you would beat em down & retreat as the clip empties, you would advance with the Avengers due to the larger clip & RoF increasing as it empties. I like Both for their advantages in different situations. If I get another Carnage I will consider a second setup as I can only do 1 at a time at this moment. I do however have 95% of a Bulwark and was considering using one of my ranged Carnage gears for it & Exodus the Carnage or keep it Avengers. At the moment my Carnage is lvl 9 MKII, I think that's the equivalent of lvl 11 MKI if I'm not mistaken. It seems to handle the lvl 7 MKI Avengers just fine, I cant wait for more lvl-ing of both.
Thanks again for the info and input.
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Oct 26, 2018 23:24:56 GMT -5
TY for the timely response, sounds great. As for Avenger over the Tempest, it is simply a matter of clip size & RoF. As where with the tempest you would beat em down & retreat as the clip empties, you would advance with the Avengers due to the larger clip & RoF increasing as it empties. I like Both for their advantages in different situations. If I get another Carnage I will consider a second setup as I can only do 1 at a time at this moment. I do however have 95% of a Bulwark and was considering using one of my ranged Carnage gears for it & Exodus the Carnage or keep it Avengers. At the moment my Carnage is lvl 9 MKII, I think that's the equivalent of lvl 11 MKI if I'm not mistaken. It seems to handle the lvl 7 MKI Avengers just fine, I cant wait for more lvl-ing of both. Thanks again for the info and input. MkII is approximately equivalent to 2 extra levels for Weapons, 3 levels for Bots. Stragely enough, Carnage and Bulwark play a lot differently. Bulwark's resistance to Energy weapons is a total game-changer for the Bot's role. And don't discount Carnage's Rush and better shield regeneration.
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Post by TheDecepticonIdeal on Oct 27, 2018 9:14:02 GMT -5
TY for the timely response, sounds great. As for Avenger over the Tempest, it is simply a matter of clip size & RoF. As where with the tempest you would beat em down & retreat as the clip empties, you would advance with the Avengers due to the larger clip & RoF increasing as it empties. I like Both for their advantages in different situations. If I get another Carnage I will consider a second setup as I can only do 1 at a time at this moment. I do however have 95% of a Bulwark and was considering using one of my ranged Carnage gears for it & Exodus the Carnage or keep it Avengers. At the moment my Carnage is lvl 9 MKII, I think that's the equivalent of lvl 11 MKI if I'm not mistaken. It seems to handle the lvl 7 MKI Avengers just fine, I cant wait for more lvl-ing of both. Thanks again for the info and input. MkII is approximately equivalent to 2 extra levels for Weapons, 3 levels for Bots. Stragely enough, Carnage and Bulwark play a lot differently. Bulwark's resistance to Energy weapons is a total game-changer for the Bot's role. And don't discount Carnage's Rush and better shield regeneration. Agreed. Bulwark is a walking fortress with it's Aegis and physical shield. The Carnage is a "Hit them when they're not looking" kind of bot.
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Post by >^\}VULTURE{/^< on Oct 28, 2018 6:40:32 GMT -5
That's how I like to use it. Let the "red" engage another bot, then charge in & blind side them. Bulwark can hold it's own solo, Carnage is more for team play, like 2V1 and lending it's Ancile to nearby "blues".
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Post by TheDecepticonIdeal on Oct 28, 2018 12:17:19 GMT -5
That's how I like to use it. Let the "red" engage another bot, then charge in & blind side them. Bulwark can hold it's own solo, Carnage is more for team play, like 2V1 and lending it's Ancile to nearby "blues". That's exactly right. Carnage isn't really a good 1v1 or solo bot (hence why I'm rubbish at custom matches whenever someone challenges me ). It really shines when it has a good tanky bot to team up with which can distract enemies. I can't count the number of games I've lost which I could have won if I had a tanky teammate with me making the right moves.
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Post by >^\}VULTURE{/^< on Oct 28, 2018 18:00:37 GMT -5
I don't know who has the video, but someone showed footage of a Carnage and a fully loaded Lancelot with the Carnage humping it's butt, and the Carnage popping out finishing the bots as the Carnage shielded the Lancelot from physical "kinetic" DMG. And the Lancelot shielding the Carnage from energy DMG. Seems to be the only time butt humping is cool in game play. I hate when 3 unshielded bots all bunch together blocking each other & exposing teamies to enemy fire.
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Post by TheDecepticonIdeal on Oct 28, 2018 20:41:04 GMT -5
I find it better to do the butt humping thing with a Galahad. Lanecelot's height sometimes gets in the way of my shots.
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