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Post by calehb on Sept 4, 2018 13:34:55 GMT -5
Yes I know I shouldn't do it. I know it's way better to upgrade grandfathered stuff. I know My hangar isn't all 12.
But to see all that shiny new economy stuff in my shelf... I took a new economy strider to level 8 (9 is incoming). I have 2 old economy gusts (11 - 10) and an old economy Thunder (11). Do you think it's wise ti swap kumiho for that strider?
My Kumy have now old economy Orkans (only 10 an 9).
This is My Hangar:
Thank you, as alwais.
Ps I start to think my new economy Haechi should be a better one, but now it's late.
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Post by Koalabear on Sept 4, 2018 13:52:23 GMT -5
I personally like the Kumiho better than the Strider. It's easier to keep track of the dashes by doing a 5 count in my head.
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Post by BadAsh on Sept 4, 2018 14:35:28 GMT -5
The Kumi is forbeacon capping. The shotgun strider is for picking one bot on the field and assasinating it. You could also rush to the center beacon and die a glorious death.
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Post by go red on Sept 4, 2018 14:45:22 GMT -5
Kumi has a bit more health than Strider, but Strider has a bit more firepower then Kumiho.
Strider can utilize Ancile but not Kumi so Kumi can be countered by homing, and might even be atry.
For myself I've picked Strider over Kumi cuz I think Strider is more versatile.
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Post by magicjellybean on Sept 4, 2018 15:53:24 GMT -5
I prefer kumi.
But strider is nice too without the ancile. More firepower.
Using ancile instead of a heavy weapon is half the firepower of the robot. Considering it only takes 2 orkans to bust through an ancile (most robots have 3 or 2 mediums with additional light/heavy weapons), the extra protection is never worth the damage sacrifice.
Ancile takes 33 seconds to recharge from 0 to 100 HP.
A thunder/avenger takes ten seconds. This means your weapons are 50% more useful being that you can use it in its entirety(empty a whole clip and reload) 2-3 times as fast as an ancile.
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Post by BossieBos on Sept 4, 2018 16:07:53 GMT -5
That’s a hard choice. I guess it’s real personal and other’s preference might not be relevant for yourself. You should just test it yourself.
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Post by magicjellybean on Sept 4, 2018 16:17:38 GMT -5
Strider if you be patient and not waste 2-3 dashes to move across the map can out perform the kumiho 1v1 against other bots. Against orkans Kumi can dash-dance 2-3 times before you are a sitting duck and get wasted by the salvo.
A strider with all 5 dashes can dash 5 maybe 6 times if you them right meaning you can waste most of their salvo. The trick is to dash, let them adjust their aim. Wait until you see the aim adjustment, then dash again.
I do this with the kumi alot. I'll show an example.
Enemy fires orkan, I wait moments before the first rocket hits. Dash right, now I have two options. Most of the time players overaim and shoot ahead. If they do, as soon as my first dash is done I start walking left in the opposite direction. At this point it's mind games. Once they adjust their aim again, some people expect me to dash opposite but sometimes I dash going left again, then walk right. By the time all this has happened I have or am usually less than one second away from my third dash.
So typically if I get the mind-games right, I can get 3 dashes in and if I have enough firepower, I kill them or try to dash while running to cover if I don't.
I don't have a strider but if you saved your dashes for firefights, you could use 4 dashes in mind-games like I did and by the time you're done playing mind games. you can either use the rest of your dashes to kill them, or if you know you won't come out the fight alive, you can dash out.
Oh and if you're fighting shocktrains, none of this matters LOL
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Post by FlashAhAhh on Sept 4, 2018 16:30:45 GMT -5
Kumiho.. by a large margin.
A dash every 5 seconds is crazy powerful in the right hands.
Strider can work well as an assasin but because of it's dash recharge delay it spends a lot of time just recharging.
Kumi is still the best capper / flanker in the game. It can take a beacon on one side of the map, and then be on the otherside of the map a minute later with a sneaky flank.
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Post by windcaster on Sept 4, 2018 18:03:41 GMT -5
Well the Strider has same ground speed, and has a higher dash reserve but it's dash is 12 seconds vs the Kumi's 5 second.. Having played a kumi quit a bit I can tell you the Kumi's speed comes primarily from it's dashes.. not it's 60 ground speed.
In a sprint the strider is faster, and there is really nothing that can catch a strider with full reserves.. but it's stamina is pretty low.
Once it's burnt up it's dashes it can not keep up with the likes of a Kumi.
For made suicide runs on the center beacon.. nothing can touch strider but the Kumi is better rounded imo.
They have different hard points.. 2light+1heavy vs 2medium, so the strider has a few possibilities the kumi does not and the reverse is also true.
I have found shotgun loadouts to be the most threatening on striders cause they can bum rush like no other bot.. but the problem is once they bum rush you they are committed, they can not escape.
Kumi's on the other hand you can pretty much run them empty and it's not a big deal because the dash is so quick to recharge you're not stuck for long.
I do not have a Strider, Honestly I don't want one, The do not interest me on paper, they do not interest me in the skirmish I've played them and I find them to be sub par based on the ones I've faced on the battle field.
I personally would endorse the Kumi as a better rounded bot.. having already acknowledged the striders strengths.
I think you get more for your money with the Kumi, it's a great beacon capper, it can flank, it can provides support fire, it can harass.
Kumi is not a strong brawler, but neither is the Strider, I do find the Kumi to be a great skirmish bot however.
My vote is Kumi.. and the fact you have one that is old econ is just cherry on top.. no brainier for me.
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Post by darksun on Sept 5, 2018 0:23:04 GMT -5
The Kumi is forbeacon capping. The shotgun strider is for picking one bot on the field and assasinating it. You could also rush to the center beacon and die a glorious death. I love everything about this comment. |
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Post by cheap on Sept 5, 2018 1:02:12 GMT -5
depends on what you are using it for, if it's your first Bot you drop and what Map.
i like my Strider never really liked Kumi it's just OK.
me, i can usally take out 2 Kumi at a Beacon then usally get killed by the 3rd. i run Ancile an Gust because the Common Kumi loadout is Ork and only worry about Energy Loadouts. every now and then i use a Treb/Alba(arbalest) just because it fun to use the Dashes an a Sniper build to Zip all over the Place.
besides i feel you should never burn more than 3 dashes to get to a beacon if you can help it, you will need those extra since most likely at least 2 Red Kumi's will be going after said Beacon.
if you have a Ancile your teammate which will 90% of the time be a Beacon running Kumi will also Benefit from Ancile coverage.
as BadAsh typed Strider is great at Assassination.
remember results will vary
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Post by magicjellybean on Sept 5, 2018 8:19:58 GMT -5
depends on what you are using it for, if it's your first Bot you drop and what Map. i like my Strider never really liked Kumi it's just OK. me, i can usally take out 2 Kumi at a Beacon then usally get killed by the 3rd. i run Ancile an Gust because the Common Kumi loadout is Ork and only worry about Energy Loadouts. every now and then i use a Treb/Alba(arbalest) just because it fun to use the Dashes an a Sniper build to Zip all over the Place. besides i feel you should never burn more than 3 dashes to get to a beacon if you can help it, you will need those extra since most likely at least 2 Red Kumi's will be going after said Beacon. if you have a Ancile your teammate which will which 90% of the time will be a Beacon running Kumi will also Benefit. as BadAsh typed Strider is great at Assassination. remember results will vary  results may vary* |
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Post by cheap on Sept 5, 2018 10:28:44 GMT -5
depends on what you are using it for, if it's your first Bot you drop and what Map. i like my Strider never really liked Kumi it's just OK. me, i can usally take out 2 Kumi at a Beacon then usally get killed by the 3rd. i run Ancile an Gust because the Common Kumi loadout is Ork and only worry about Energy Loadouts. every now and then i use a Treb/Alba(arbalest) just because it fun to use the Dashes an a Sniper build to Zip all over the Place. besides i feel you should never burn more than 3 dashes to get to a beacon if you can help it, you will need those extra since most likely at least 2 Red Kumi's will be going after said Beacon. if you have a Ancile your teammate which will which 90% of the time will be a Beacon running Kumi will also Benefit. as BadAsh typed Strider is great at Assassination. remember results will vary alas just like life Results will Very |
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Post by calehb on Sept 5, 2018 18:30:52 GMT -5
I suppose I did a bad and expensive move hahaha. Well I have 22k gold, but onli 45 millions silver. I'm thinking of some other bad move... Maybe the Haechi, the Mercury, or a shredder (speaking of new economy stuff I have yet hahaha).
I know, better to upgrade old economy stuff, sadly.
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Post by osang on Sept 5, 2018 23:13:55 GMT -5
Well, it depends on how you use these bots. I have Strider with Thunder and Gusts, and Kumi with Orkans...they're both fine.
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Post by calehb on Sept 6, 2018 6:20:36 GMT -5
I now have a mender too, temptation is strong.
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Post by Koalabear on Sept 6, 2018 7:00:37 GMT -5
I now have a mender too, temptation is strong. Mender can be fun, but you really have to have it at a decent level before it starts to be useful. For the first several levels, I felt like I spent most of my time chasing blues shouting: "wait, let me heal you!". Plus, until you get it to like at least 8, the healing doesn't heal very much. I'm still playing around with the builds for mine, but since I don't have many weapons left that are leveled, it's tough. My ultimate plan is Shredders and Corona. |
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Post by milty72 on Sept 6, 2018 7:02:58 GMT -5
I love my Shotgun Suicide Machine. Great to use for multiple missions in the course of a battle.
As for the Tish Chicken that ugly bird can stay in the museum.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Sept 6, 2018 9:46:39 GMT -5
I vote Strider... You can put an Avenger on it.
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Post by RightOn on Sept 6, 2018 10:26:29 GMT -5
Nothing is as fast as hellburner XD
Anyway, I run kumiho in 2nd hangar (until Falcon replaces it) and it is fast, but I think the dash is overrated. On a flat surface, yeah, but I frequently find myself on uneven terrain and the dash is null.
The strider I could consider getting because 2 light 1 heavy is a bit more firepower than 2 med, and you can pull off some stunts, like the root heavy shotgun with gusts, with a dash to confuse your opponent.
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Post by magicjellybean on Sept 6, 2018 12:12:06 GMT -5
Nothing is as fast as hellburner XD .... |
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Post by ystava on Sept 6, 2018 12:37:30 GMT -5
Yes I know I shouldn't do it. I know it's way better to upgrade grandfathered stuff. I know My hangar isn't all 12.
But to see all that shiny new economy stuff in my shelf... I took a new economy strider to level 8 (9 is incoming). I have 2 old economy gusts (11 - 10) and an old economy Thunder (11). Do you think it's wise ti swap kumiho for that strider?
My Kumy have now old economy Orkans (only 10 an 9).
This is My Hangar:
Thank you, as alwais.
Ps I start to think my new economy Haechi should be a better one, but now it's late.
In my experience. Striders get there first... and get destroyed by the Kumihos that get there second. So take your pick. In squad play I'd probably like to see 2 Kumihos running for every one strider at the opening of KOTH or BR. They're both valuable. In some instances you might hold your strider for the end and grab beacons when squads are having more trouble defending everything. If you're trying to get beacons Strider... If you're trying to get beacons and defend them until they can be reinforced, Kumiho. |
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Post by calehb on Sept 6, 2018 13:55:54 GMT -5
Your words (I mean all of you)are wise, I think I'll come back to kumuho for beacon. But having a level 9 strider can be useful in the future. But right now I don't think it can take the place of another bot of my hangar, sadly.
I see few damage from him even at close range, that's very weird. Maybe a bug?
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Sept 6, 2018 14:37:44 GMT -5
Your words (I mean all of you)are wise, I think I'll come back to kumuho for beacon. But having a level 9 strider can be useful in the future. But right now I don't think it can take the place of another bot of my hangar, sadly. I see few damage from him even at close range, that's very weird. Maybe a bug? What weapons? |
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Post by calehb on Sept 6, 2018 15:21:25 GMT -5
2 gust (11 - 10) and a level 11 thunder. 1 vs 1 at close range a double orkan kumy outdamages me, even if I start firing.
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