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Post by darksun on Sept 3, 2018 0:58:17 GMT -5
Just for fun I put 4 level 9 lasers on a level 1 Patton... and holy moly.
Melts anything without a physical shield. Why was I led to believe they were potato class?
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Post by elttaes on Sept 3, 2018 1:07:10 GMT -5
They didn't use to be that good, but they got a buff a while back. There is also a lot of pressure in the brawling range these days, pushing people further back, so long-range options are looking better for tactical reasons as well.
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Post by Eurobercik on Sept 3, 2018 10:06:48 GMT -5
Gekko is good, Flux is even better, 2,3x stronger. Flux Fury deals over 100.000DMG in 5 seconds (Gekko Platon 60.000).
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Post by bravex on Sept 3, 2018 10:13:38 GMT -5
I have an underleveled Treb Gekko Leo sitting unused in my hangar. This encourages me to take him out and level him up
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Post by iam99 on Sept 3, 2018 10:59:13 GMT -5
i love the Patton with 4 x gecko, molot, punisher (or even aphid). Wish they would give the speed a boost/nerf.
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Post by FlashAhAhh on Sept 3, 2018 11:34:38 GMT -5
It will only play well in the very low leagues. Yes, it can do some damage to an exposed target... but they get rarer and rarer the higher you go.
In gold and Silver you'll catch unshielded bots wandering in the open all the time, in higher leagues though, pilots become increasingly good at not exposing themselves.
Burst weapons are where it's at right now.
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Post by zombiewolf907 on Sept 3, 2018 11:38:55 GMT -5
I run a Flux/Gecko Natasha in Champion and it is good on LR maps. Triple Flux would be better but can’t afford it right now. Two Geckos are close to one Flux.
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Post by DiscountDalek on Sept 3, 2018 11:39:52 GMT -5
Gekks really can’t catch anyone by surprise. Pilots can get cover long before you mess them up much, and those bright beams make you a blinking neon sign that says, “SHOOT ME!”.
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Post by Desert Eagle 44 on Sept 4, 2018 7:27:13 GMT -5
I'm in D3 on Android and I've been seeing them a lot more lately. I've won 4 from silver chests myself, and they start out at lv5, so I think that appeals to a lot of people. I did face a Mk2 Leo with Mk2/12 Gekkos not too long ago. It made for a long game because no one would step out from behind cover. Smaller bots couldn't stand up to the barrage and heavies were too slow to cover the distance. I can't remember what was mounted in the heavy slot, but it wasn't a Treb or Flux, may have been a Tempest.
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Post by Koalabear on Sept 4, 2018 9:21:20 GMT -5
I've been seeing more Gekkos lately, often paired with Fluxes. Ugh, brings back lots of bad memories of my lower league days on Canyon Springfield and Yamantau. Still remember my Fujin getting hit by 2 snipers at once on Yam and it was dead before I reached the end of the ramp to get to cover.
If you plan to stay in the lower leagues, I think it's still an effective build. But, the higher you go, the better people are at using cover. If you want to use Gekkos, my Zeus/Gekko Nat took me very very far.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Sept 4, 2018 9:30:19 GMT -5
Most of the hate that they receive is the same as any LR weapon. Folks tend to stay in bots that run LR weapons passed the point of good sense and nothing is more apt to piss a Brawler or Beacon Pusher off, more.
Pure Brawlers consider anything that is beyond 600m range "potato" class lol. Also, some 500-600m weapons too... but the Dragoon and Zeus are still pretty good MR that can, in a pinch, perform decently at closer ranges if needed so those tend to get a pass.
But yeah, Gekko and Flux, both, are to be feared if you are not in cover... they have their places... even in higher leagues. Just don't expect them to be great on every map and in every game.
IMO, YMMV
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Sept 4, 2018 9:41:34 GMT -5
It will only play well in the very low leagues. Yes, it can do some damage to an exposed target... but they get rarer and rarer the higher you go. In gold and Silver you'll catch unshielded bots wandering in the open all the time, in higher leagues though, pilots become increasingly good at not exposing themselves. Burst weapons are where it's at right now. Thing is... a highly leveled Flux is a burst weapon... holy crap.
It's like that laser on the movie "Real Genius" from the 80's. Better not have any un-popped popcorn in your cockpit if you get hit by a Flux Fury... jus' sayin'... |
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Post by Koalabear on Sept 4, 2018 9:45:34 GMT -5
It will only play well in the very low leagues. Yes, it can do some damage to an exposed target... but they get rarer and rarer the higher you go. In gold and Silver you'll catch unshielded bots wandering in the open all the time, in higher leagues though, pilots become increasingly good at not exposing themselves. Burst weapons are where it's at right now. Thing is... a highly leveled Flux is a burst weapon... holy crap.
It's like that laser on the movie "Real Genius" from the 80's. Better not have any un-popped popcorn in your cockpit if you get hit by a Flux Fury... jus' sayin'... Agreed! Holy, I got hit by a Flux Fury and I was diead before I realized I needed cover! |
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Post by magicjellybean on Sept 4, 2018 15:10:04 GMT -5
Thing is... a highly leveled Flux is a burst weapon... holy crap.
It's like that laser on the movie "Real Genius" from the 80's. Better not have any un-popped popcorn in your cockpit if you get hit by a Flux Fury... jus' sayin'... Agreed! Holy, I got hit by a Flux Fury and I was diead before I realized I needed cover!
When I see a flux natasha or fury, I actually prioritze that more than dragoon robots cause they can sit in their super death start builds the whole match if left unchecked |
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Post by nocluevok on Sept 4, 2018 15:18:34 GMT -5
Most of the hate that they receive is the same as any LR weapon. Folks tend to stay in bots that run LR weapons passed the point of good sense and nothing is more apt to piss a Brawler or Beacon Pusher off, more. Pure Brawlers consider anything that is beyond 600m range "potato" class lol. Also, some 500-600m weapons too... but the Dragoon and Zeus are still pretty good MR that can, in a pinch, perform decently at closer ranges if needed so those tend to get a pass. But yeah, Gekko and Flux, both, are to be feared if you are not in cover... they have their places... even in higher leagues. Just don't expect them to be great on every map and in every game. IMO, YMMV Yessir, 3 MK2/12 Geckos can hurt ya. Ran them and an MK2/12 Zeus on my Leo for awhile. Pester them into range and... bug zap! |
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Post by Estoplast on Sept 4, 2018 15:20:45 GMT -5
For ages i wanted to run Disco Patton, but as it is not very effective i didn't.
Now i finally got a second hangar in my smurf and leveled one up. Vermillon'n'「dookie」.
I like it.
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Post by AcuityAxiom on Sept 4, 2018 15:38:27 GMT -5
It is good on large open maps with a big line of sight, but the higher you go in terms of leagues, players get smarter and will hunt you down instead of hiding from you.
I used to love the setup, but it's not as useful to me anymore, plus Patton is pretty slow moving so if someone goes from you, there's not much you can do other than hope a teammate has your back.
Maybe i'll play with it again someday.
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Post by darksun on Sept 5, 2018 0:21:20 GMT -5
I had to put it away! 1, after your initial unload, the enemy so see up to you, and 2, I have like, no patience.
Oh and does anyone know what the colour differences are in the gekkoes? Level?
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Post by Estoplast on Sept 5, 2018 1:22:47 GMT -5
Jap. Level.
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Post by kellhound2002 on Sept 5, 2018 9:30:08 GMT -5
Laser weapons like Flux and Gekko are definitely situational. Mostly good for large maps and TDM. But when the situation is right you can really deal a ton of damage with them. I run a flux gekkos Natty and it really helps on maps like Yamantau or canyon. Fun to hit unsuspecting Spectres that jump out and land on open ground. They're usually dead or nearly dead before they can get back to cover.
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Post by mothbot on Sept 6, 2018 17:15:35 GMT -5
Gekks really can’t catch anyone by surprise. Pilots can get cover long before you mess them up much, and those bright beams make you a blinking neon sign that says, “SHOOT ME!”. But, isn't that true with a lot of other weapons? I mean, you can see the tracer streams from Molots but no one ever says don't use them, they give your position away. You can thank WS 2.0 for that. Geckos are one of the easiest weapons to make. I've observed this prejudice in other games. People just don't respect ranged damage even though it is just as legitimate as melee damage. They view it as cheating when really it's their own reluctance to seek cover like they would in a real modern combat situation. They rather beat on other point blank. Got to top the damage chart, you know. Personally, I believe any weapon Pixonic comes up with is legitimate and It is up to us, the players, to develop strategies to deal with them. However, Pixonic isn't innocent in all of this. They reward a player more for the highest damage more than for completing battlefield goals. Pixonic needs to switch up how they reward players. Players should be rewarded higher for capturing beacons. Perhaps, they should receive more points for capturing a hostile beacon than a non-hostile one. That would certainly shake things up a little. |
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Post by ystava on Sept 7, 2018 8:05:50 GMT -5
Just for fun I put 4 level 9 lasers on a level 1 Patton... and holy moly. Melts anything without a physical shield. Why was I led to believe they were potato class? The only Patton/Gekko I remotely fear is Mk2Lvl12 bot and beam. Flux/Fury says you're cute. |
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Post by ystava on Sept 7, 2018 8:10:35 GMT -5
Most of the hate that they receive is the same as any LR weapon. Folks tend to stay in bots that run LR weapons passed the point of good sense and nothing is more apt to piss a Brawler or Beacon Pusher off, more. Pure Brawlers consider anything that is beyond 600m range "potato" class lol. Also, some 500-600m weapons too... but the Dragoon and Zeus are still pretty good MR that can, in a pinch, perform decently at closer ranges if needed so those tend to get a pass. But yeah, Gekko and Flux, both, are to be feared if you are not in cover... they have their places... even in higher leagues. Just don't expect them to be great on every map and in every game. IMO, YMMV There are a lot of people running support bots that have no idea what support means and are completely uninterested in the game mode and what that requires. I started a KOTH match yesterday against the #2 clan on my platform and 4 morons dropped in with support bots and stayed in them the whole game. If you're in any random match besides DM and you drop in support as your first bot you are basically an idiot. |
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Post by magicjellybean on Sept 7, 2018 8:16:33 GMT -5
Just for fun I put 4 level 9 lasers on a level 1 Patton... and holy moly. Melts anything without a physical shield. Why was I led to believe they were potato class? The only Patton/Gekko I remotely fear is Mk2Lvl12 bot and beam. Flux/Fury says you're cute.
Might not work as well now since the bulgasari exists but still worth a shot |
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Post by ystava on Sept 7, 2018 8:35:22 GMT -5
Gekks really can’t catch anyone by surprise. Pilots can get cover long before you mess them up much, and those bright beams make you a blinking neon sign that says, “SHOOT ME!”. Their purpose is less to kill than to force other support bots into less ideal firing positions.... or make bots headed for the front line more manageable for your team mates. I actually try not to kill my targets but instead grind them down to between between 25-50% depending on their make and weapons so they are easy marks for my guys. I tend not to linger on targets either... I want everyone guessing who's next. I only try to kill spectres and reds actively engaging my squadmates at close range. |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Sept 7, 2018 9:31:03 GMT -5
Gekks really can’t catch anyone by surprise. Pilots can get cover long before you mess them up much, and those bright beams make you a blinking neon sign that says, “SHOOT ME!”. Their purpose is less to kill than to force other support bots into less ideal firing positions.... or make bots headed for the front line more manageable for your team mates. I actually try not to kill my targets but instead grind them down to between between 25-50% depending on their make and weapons so they are easy marks for my guys. I tend not to linger on targets either... I want everyone guessing who's next. I only try to kill spectres and reds actively engaging my squadmates at close range.Translation: Effective Support |
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Post by ystava on Sept 7, 2018 9:35:28 GMT -5
Their purpose is less to kill than to force other support bots into less ideal firing positions.... or make bots headed for the front line more manageable for your team mates. I actually try not to kill my targets but instead grind them down to between between 25-50% depending on their make and weapons so they are easy marks for my guys. I tend not to linger on targets either... I want everyone guessing who's next. I only try to kill spectres and reds actively engaging my squadmates at close range.Translation: Effective Support I should change the "and" to an "or". I always try to kill spectres at every opportunity... no matter where they are on the map. |
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Post by mothbot on Sept 7, 2018 10:34:04 GMT -5
Their purpose is less to kill than to force other support bots into less ideal firing positions.... or make bots headed for the front line more manageable for your team mates. I actually try not to kill my targets but instead grind them down to between between 25-50% depending on their make and weapons so they are easy marks for my guys. I tend not to linger on targets either... I want everyone guessing who's next. I only try to kill spectres and reds actively engaging my squadmates at close range.Translation: Effective Support Yep. Support is much more than ranged dps. Support should actively focus their attacks where they are most needed. |
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