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Post by trachap on Jul 8, 2018 7:30:40 GMT -5
Krebby, huge thanks for these charts. Please check the numbers for Gekko again as pixo and the wiki say that is went down to 31m AG like Aphid. Also faster upgrade time.
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Post by VEZ’NAN on Jul 8, 2018 9:19:21 GMT -5
Krebby, big thumbs up for the charts. Very helpful! Could you take another look at the Ag and Time rate increases for some of the medium component bots? For example, I think the posted percentage rate increase of silver for the Kumiho is low by 100%. Thanks, Marky
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Post by hjn on Jul 8, 2018 12:13:17 GMT -5
Are you sure re Griffin? Just won one on a bronze spin and the first upgrade is 3 hours faster...
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Post by windcaster on Jul 8, 2018 12:20:06 GMT -5
Kreb is looking over the entire span of lv12mk1
They said previously a lot of the older legacy gear is either faster or cheaper in the lower levels but get's really steep around lv9 so the last few levels is where a lot of the time is.
You'll have to compare upgrade tables pre&post to see exactly what level is faster/cheaper..
This means for 6 pack league a post-hike hanger might be faster together depending on what gear you're also putting on. Looks like the staples like Taran got a pretty big hit on lv2 8min vs 3hours.
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Post by schrotter on Jul 8, 2018 13:03:26 GMT -5
. I wonder how PIX decided on the increases ? Fury for example ... just slightly more than Leo or Griff. Then you look at Natty ... oof. I'm not sure I get the rhyme or reason. No deep mystery there. Pix heavily pursues almost singlemindedly one strategy at the moment and that is to force the majority of us (who have heavily invested into brawler setups) to now spend on sniper/long range setups. As you see in the great charts the OP has posted (thanks!!), least impacted by the new economy are heavy bots, while the costs for brawlers (medium and light bots) have gone through the roof. Similarly random mode is more likely dishing out game modes or maps that encourage a long range play style. And once we all have caved in and bought/built sniper hangars the pendulum will swing again and a new generation of brawling gear will emerge. And of course, it will render current brawling gear utterly obsolete ;-)
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Post by miscanthus on Jul 8, 2018 13:03:34 GMT -5
Great work Thanks
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Post by OrangeMegatron on Jul 8, 2018 13:58:42 GMT -5
Special note, the upgrade time increases for legacy gear is all backloaded. They're all similar/easier to get to level 8 now, but the upgrades from 9-12 still make up more than 1/2 the total time/cost Can you explain the above in simple English, please? Pixonic mentioned, that any bots/weapons obtained before New Economy will have the old upgrade time/cost. If it's not true, then all my efforts to get new bots/weapons before the change would be void. I would like to point out, that there is no way to find out at first glance what is "old" vs "new" in my hangar.
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Post by ΛNNlHlLΛTRlX on Jul 8, 2018 14:29:00 GMT -5
That's great and at the same time very depressing work. Have bookmarked this page and will follow with interest. Seems like when they said "some things like the Rogatka will get cheaper" they actually meant "one thing". What a totally unnecessary and idiotic cluster... rock. EDIT: Haha Pix seriously blew a fanfare over the fact that the Rogatka will get cheaper? It's less than 500k cheaper ffs!!!!!! Meanwhile many other bots and weapons get a doubling or tripling in cost! Unbelievable! Rogatka is cheaper and also utterly useless in top tier. Yay.
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Post by RustFiend on Jul 8, 2018 18:41:08 GMT -5
Special note, the upgrade time increases for legacy gear is all backloaded. They're all similar/easier to get to level 8 now, but the upgrades from 9-12 still make up more than 1/2 the total time/cost Can you explain the above in simple English, please? Pixonic mentioned, that any bots/weapons obtained before New Economy will have the old upgrade time/cost. If it's not true, then all my efforts to get new bots/weapons before the change would be void. I would like to point out, that there is no way to find out at first glance what is "old" vs "new" in my hangar. Upgrade times for gear you owned before the patch does not change. Upgrade times for newly aquired gear are extremely back-heavy. Most items except WSP weapons and component items are faster to level up to 8, but have longer upgrade times going to 9+ Old gear has shorter overall upgrade times, new gear overall times are higher, but heavily distributed onto levels 9-12.
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Post by trachap on Jul 9, 2018 3:17:25 GMT -5
Hope that Krebby is able to update and complete this chart soon. Would be great to have this thread sticked. Any chances?
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Post by inhumanus on Jul 9, 2018 4:33:25 GMT -5
I know that I am not the sharpest tool in the shed, but the new economy also came with a huge Nerf to Gold, Silver and Tokens out of the chests, as well as the Keys that come from league position...
so there is no discount; unless you buy boosters to collect tons more of those resources, which you will need Gold....which was nerfed.
But wait, you can buy 600 Gold for 99 cents US.... you will REALLY need Boosters, probably purchase Tokens also, and while we are looking at your hanger, you should really buy some Keys to get one, single, heavily nerfed Super chest.
SMH
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Post by BB on Jul 9, 2018 5:18:53 GMT -5
There is no limit to cluster「fluffernutter」erizing this game ?
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Post by 2die on Jul 9, 2018 5:44:00 GMT -5
Interested to see medium and heavy weapons as well as everything else not in the chart yet.
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Post by linearblade on Jul 9, 2018 6:00:25 GMT -5
I know that I am not the sharpest tool in the shed, but the new economy also came with a huge Nerf to Gold, Silver and Tokens out of the chests, as well as the Keys that come from league position... so there is no discount; unless you buy boosters to collect tons more of those resources, which you will need Gold....which was nerfed. But wait, you can buy 600 Gold for 99 cents US.... you will REALLY need Boosters, probably purchase Tokens also, and while we are looking at your hanger, you should really buy some Keys to get one, single, heavily nerfed Super chest. SMH When I started playing, There was no black market. There was no supply drop and no tokens and no honor rewards. Frankly I’m surprised you get so much free now.
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Post by taniel on Jul 9, 2018 6:35:58 GMT -5
When you started playing the meta was different. No components, no $300 bots. What we get for free is laughable when you think about what we have to get in order to be competitive...
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Post by ganjaspartan on Jul 9, 2018 10:37:57 GMT -5
Wow is all I have to say
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Post by hi5 on Jul 9, 2018 15:45:16 GMT -5
I know that I am not the sharpest tool in the shed, but the new economy also came with a huge Nerf to Gold, Silver and Tokens out of the chests, as well as the Keys that come from league position... so there is no discount; unless you buy boosters to collect tons more of those resources, which you will need Gold....which was nerfed. But wait, you can buy 600 Gold for 99 cents US.... you will REALLY need Boosters, probably purchase Tokens also, and while we are looking at your hanger, you should really buy some Keys to get one, single, heavily nerfed Super chest. SMH When I started playing, There was no black market. There was no supply drop and no tokens and no honor rewards. Frankly I’m surprised you get so much free now. Well, to be fair most of what you get in BM, drops and royale are components - you used to just buy bots with Ag or Au so not sure you get more “free” now. They just added 47 new currencies and other activity hoops to get them. Its true that in the old days you didn’t get random free Ag or Au, so you had to grind to get gold bots and slowly create WSP to get most other bots but they would last you a while and also help you earn more gold by winning more (depending on the bot and tier). And I find the doublespeak from Pix disturbing. They cut Ag payouts after battles months ago, then say things like they are doubling silver to support the new economy (and by “doubling” they mean Ag in honor points/battle rewards, not what you get after each battle. I’m just happy Norri’s emerged from the new enconomy unscathed! Had been furiously buying dozens of them before worrying that I wouldn’t have enough grandfathered in. It’s a relief to know I can still buy them now and level without crazy costs.
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Post by Joopiter on Jul 9, 2018 16:37:20 GMT -5
It's awesome that they're giving away a Taran next in the event, but I guess it'll come with the new upgrade req's.... sucks! Glad I've got 7 grandfathered, wish I had more tho.
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Post by allanpeter on Jul 9, 2018 19:35:02 GMT -5
When I started playing, There was no black market. There was no supply drop and no tokens and no honor rewards. Frankly I’m surprised you get so much free now. Well, to be fair most of what you get in BM, drops and royale are components - you used to just buy bots with Ag or Au so not sure you get more “free” now. They just added 47 new currencies and other activity hoops to get them. Its true that in the old days you didn’t get random free Ag or Au, so you had to grind to get gold bots and slowly create WSP to get most other bots but they would last you a while and also help you earn more gold by winning more (depending on the bot and tier). And I find the doublespeak from Pix disturbing. They cut Ag payouts after battles months ago, then say things like they are doubling silver to support the new economy (and by “doubling” they mean Ag in honor points/battle rewards, not what you get after each battle. I’m just happy Norri’s emerged from the new enconomy unscathed! Had been furiously buying dozens of them before worrying that I wouldn’t have enough grandfathered in. It’s a relief to know I can still buy them now and level without crazy costs. Why are you buying noricums lol
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Post by bronzeknee on Jul 9, 2018 19:49:11 GMT -5
I am really glad to see that this will hardly affect 6 Pack.
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Post by windcaster on Jul 9, 2018 20:57:33 GMT -5
I got 4 grandfathered tarans, but ya I'll take it for 6 pack.. I actually could use a pair for my lance.
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Post by hi5 on Jul 9, 2018 21:20:27 GMT -5
Well, to be fair most of what you get in BM, drops and royale are components - you used to just buy bots with Ag or Au so not sure you get more “free” now. They just added 47 new currencies and other activity hoops to get them. Its true that in the old days you didn’t get random free Ag or Au, so you had to grind to get gold bots and slowly create WSP to get most other bots but they would last you a while and also help you earn more gold by winning more (depending on the bot and tier). And I find the doublespeak from Pix disturbing. They cut Ag payouts after battles months ago, then say things like they are doubling silver to support the new economy (and by “doubling” they mean Ag in honor points/battle rewards, not what you get after each battle. I’m just happy Norri’s emerged from the new enconomy unscathed! Had been furiously buying dozens of them before worrying that I wouldn’t have enough grandfathered in. It’s a relief to know I can still buy them now and level without crazy costs. Why are you buying noricums lol The exquisite art of NorriNinja is the final stage of War Robots Transcendence: war-robots-forum.freeforums.net/thread/9529/deadly-noricums
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Post by OrangeMegatron on Jul 10, 2018 1:23:50 GMT -5
Can you explain the above in simple English, please? Pixonic mentioned, that any bots/weapons obtained before New Economy will have the old upgrade time/cost. If it's not true, then all my efforts to get new bots/weapons before the change would be void. I would like to point out, that there is no way to find out at first glance what is "old" vs "new" in my hangar. Upgrade times for gear you owned before the patch does not change. Upgrade times for newly aquired gear are extremely back-heavy. Most items except WSP weapons and component items are faster to level up to 8, but have longer upgrade times going to 9+ Old gear has shorter overall upgrade times, new gear overall times are higher, but heavily distributed onto levels 9-12. Thanks
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trachap
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Post by trachap on Jul 12, 2018 3:34:51 GMT -5
Will you complete these charts anytime soon? Would be GREAT!
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Post by gampo on Jul 17, 2018 4:27:33 GMT -5
Can't believe this isn't sticky, I search "krebcharts" on Google almost every day. Good job!
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Post by The VVatcher on Jul 17, 2018 6:47:59 GMT -5
Weren’t some bots suppose to be adjusted for the better like Rogatka? It didn’t even receive a full 1% price cut. And they only saved us 10 mins. ?? Aphids is the best improvement. Trash the old ones if you haven’t yet. The new ones are better.
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Post by go red on Jul 17, 2018 11:05:18 GMT -5
Can't believe this isn't sticky, I search "krebcharts" on Google almost every day. Good job! Bump
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Post by allanpeter on Jul 17, 2018 13:22:27 GMT -5
I know that I am not the sharpest tool in the shed, but the new economy also came with a huge Nerf to Gold, Silver and Tokens out of the chests, as well as the Keys that come from league position... so there is no discount; unless you buy boosters to collect tons more of those resources, which you will need Gold....which was nerfed. But wait, you can buy 600 Gold for 99 cents US.... you will REALLY need Boosters, probably purchase Tokens also, and while we are looking at your hanger, you should really buy some Keys to get one, single, heavily nerfed Super chest. SMH When I started playing, There was no black market. There was no supply drop and no tokens and no honor rewards. Frankly I’m surprised you get so much free now. There was also no components which are needed now
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Post by 2die on Jul 22, 2018 13:23:31 GMT -5
Seems like most stuff will take 1500h to lvl 12 That means 2 months, and 4 for MK2 20 months for a full MK2 Spectre... (100 months) 8 years and 4 months for 1 hanger Don't forget we have 5 hangers pixonic want us to use (500 months) 42 years to max all hangers I'll be 80 years old then.
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Post by linearblade on Jul 22, 2018 20:28:27 GMT -5
Seems like most stuff will take 1500h to lvl 12 That means 2 months, and 4 for MK2 20 months for a full MK2 Spectre... (100 months) 8 years and 4 months for 1 hanger Don't forget we have 5 hangers pixonic want us to use (500 months) 42 years to max all hangers I'll be 80 years old then. Look at the bright side, next time someone says they are free to play, you can call bull-dookie
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