SweeneyTodd
Destrier
Point at Enemy. Pull Trigger. Repeat as Necessary.
Posts: 51
Karma: 29
Pilot name: SweeneyTodd79
Platform: Android
League: Diamond
Server Region: North America
Favorite robot: Rogatka
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Post by SweeneyTodd on Jun 14, 2018 15:09:46 GMT -5
So, I fully expect the response here to be:
- Harden the #### up
- You're so new you don't deserve to argue
- Get over it, that's what tankers and clubbers do
- You've got no room to complain! I've been doing it for XXX time
But I'm gonna rant anyhow, because how 'hard' I am isn't at issue here, how long I've played doesn't excuse this level of problem, excusing the poor behavior of others is not an answer... it's a cop-out, and the fact you may have done it longer than me doesn't make it any more palatable - it just makes you more bitter
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I recently climbed into Diamond 3 - no great shakes I know, but for it being only my 3rd month in the game I'd say not too shabby.
The issue is, it seems like a light switch went on. That light switch is probably about a $200 hangar difference in CP and AU components, and 500m is just nowhere near cutting it anymore as 'mid' range let along the 350 on my bots who get charred to oblivion before closing to fire anymore.
Adding insult to injury, my roughly 20-30 games have all been almost exclusively on the biggest maps including
>10 of them on 'canyon' with more Deathmatches than other game modes
>7 of them on Springfield, again with DM being the most common game mode
So, while part of this is the matchmaker pulling higher and higher ranked opponents (Which I sorta expected)...
Part of this is a <Bovine Fecal Deposit> RNG for game types and maps that seems to really Punish those rising into the ranks where 600m weapon become not just available, but ubiquitous for the opposing force.
The insult to injury here is that I will have to continue to suck in this bracket while I try to retool and raise other bots and other gear to the level of playable. All of that presupposing I just get CP gear to fall like rain.
Thanks for the <fecal material> sandwich, Pix. The reward for advancement really is a kick in the <genitalia> or a blatant money grab to stay competitive.
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SweeneyTodd
Destrier
Point at Enemy. Pull Trigger. Repeat as Necessary.
Posts: 51
Karma: 29
Pilot name: SweeneyTodd79
Platform: Android
League: Diamond
Server Region: North America
Favorite robot: Rogatka
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Post by SweeneyTodd on Jun 14, 2018 15:15:47 GMT -5
First ideas to try to counter this:
- Level my galahad in waiting to replace the PDB Griffin (jump is a trap, ground-speed seems more important, shield)
- Outfit the Leo with my 3 gekkos (no clue how I ended up with so many of them) and a tempest to replace the quickly fading Orkan Rhino
- Level my carnage and fit it with my first real CP gear (a dragoon) and save to buy a Zeus for next to it to swap out for my Rogatka (which makes me sad)
Toughts?
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Post by rags on Jun 14, 2018 15:31:43 GMT -5
It’s the rant section so rant away. Only thing I’ll say is it was like that before component bots even existed. You hit certain points and get crushed until you get your stuff leveled up. The only good thing is that will develop your skills. A lot of these dudes who spend money are still bad pilots. First ideas to try to counter this: - Level my galahad in waiting to replace the PDB Griffin (jump is a trap, ground-speed seems more important, shield) - Outfit the Leo with my 3 gekkos (no clue how I ended up with so many of them) and a tempest to replace the quickly fading Orkan Rhino - Level my carnage and fit it with my first real CP gear (a dragoon) and save to buy a Zeus for next to it to swap out for my Rogatka (which makes me sad) Toughts? Galahad gets wrecked higher up... Plasma griff is good. what do you mean jump is a trap? Leo with gekkos is weak. DB rhino is probably the best thing to use orkans on until you get a dash bot. yea, Rog mostly relegated to lower leagues now. |
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Post by White1Golf on Jun 14, 2018 15:44:44 GMT -5
So, I fully expect the response here to be: - Harden the #### up - You're so new you don't deserve to argue - Get over it, that's what tankers and clubbers do - You've got no room to complain! I've been doing it for XXX time But I'm gonna rant anyhow, because how 'hard' I am isn't at issue here, how long I've played doesn't excuse this level of problem, excusing the poor behavior of others is not an answer... it's a cop-out, and the fact you may have done it longer than me doesn't make it any more palatable - it just makes you more bitter . I recently climbed into Diamond 3 - no great shakes I know, but for it being only my 3rd month in the game I'd say not too shabby. The issue is, it seems like a light switch went on. That light switch is probably about a $200 hangar difference in CP and AU components, and 500m is just nowhere near cutting it anymore as 'mid' range let along the 350 on my bots who get charred to oblivion before closing to fire anymore. Adding insult to injury, my roughly 20-30 games have all been almost exclusively on the biggest maps including >10 of them on 'canyon' with more Deathmatches than other game modes >7 of them on Springfield, again with DM being the most common game mode So, while part of this is the matchmaker pulling higher and higher ranked opponents (Which I sorta expected)... Part of this is a <Bovine Fecal Deposit> RNG for game types and maps that seems to really Punish those rising into the ranks where 600m weapon become not just available, but ubiquitous for the opposing force. The insult to injury here is that I will have to continue to suck in this bracket while I try to retool and raise other bots and other gear to the level of playable. All of that presupposing I just get CP gear to fall like rain. Thanks for the <fecal material> sandwich, Pix. The reward for advancement really is a kick in the <genitalia> or a blatant money grab to stay competitive.  Ahoy matey! Don't get bitter, get better! “The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.” -Will Ward |
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Post by ˢᵘᵇᶜᵒᵒˡˢᵘᵖᵉʳʰᵉᵃᵗ on Jun 14, 2018 15:50:11 GMT -5
It’s the rant section so rant away. Only thing I’ll say is it was like that before component bots even existed. You hit certain points and get crushed until you get your stuff leveled up. The only good thing is that will develop your skills. A lot of these dudes who spend money are still bad pilots. First ideas to try to counter this: - Level my galahad in waiting to replace the PDB Griffin (jump is a trap, ground-speed seems more important, shield) - Outfit the Leo with my 3 gekkos (no clue how I ended up with so many of them) and a tempest to replace the quickly fading Orkan Rhino - Level my carnage and fit it with my first real CP gear (a dragoon) and save to buy a Zeus for next to it to swap out for my Rogatka (which makes me sad) Toughts? Galahad gets wrecked higher up... Plasma griff is good. what do you mean jump is a trap? Leo with gekkos is weak. DB rhino is probably the best thing to use orkans on until you get a dash bot. yea, Rog mostly relegated to lower leagues now. Griffins are easy kill in the air when out of cover, easy for me spectre shocktrain and for my spectre scourge |
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Post by hi5 on Jun 14, 2018 15:53:41 GMT -5
Palpable anger, self-censored expletives and pre-emptive counter arguments to potential criticism. A solid rant. A+
As to advice, everyone playing War Robots has or is experiencing this. You are not alone. And yes, Pix sucks.
If you want to keep progressing up the leagues (and there are many who think Diamond and Expert are fine places to stay) then here are my suggestions:
• skip the gekko Leo - not very effective in upper leagues and a waste of silver. But can be a fun troll build.
• Galahad can perform well vs all the long range energy weapons but is not used at all in Masters and Champ. It’s a good mid league bot, so level only to 9 to max speed
• focus leveling Tarans and orkans - you can swap them on to better component bots once you get and level them
• Carnage is fine for now, especially with dragoon’s but again only level to 9. Then you can get a 3rd dragoon for a Fury if it’s still relevant by then (or two on a Bulwark if you can get that)
• get a Kumi, Haechi and/or Bulg using the daily offers for Au and Ag. Takes a month or so but you will get more long term use out of those than any of the WSP bots. I loved my Rhino, but it just can’t hang in Champ except as a situational ST counter with an RDB build.
My advice for how to compete vs mid and long range weapons is to learn how to use cover and advance during reload. Your Rhino will still be good for this, especially against plasma builds. High level opponents will now be the normal experience for you. Just make smart bot and weapon choices, keep leveling them (don’t waste time and Ag on non meta gear) and watch better players to learn their tricks.
OR just level everything you want to 9 and stay in the mid leagues. Less BS to frustrate you than in the top leagues. Pix has made War Robots a hamster wheel of punishing matches to get you to spend real money.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jun 14, 2018 16:08:47 GMT -5
So, I fully expect the response here to be: - Harden the #### up - You're so new you don't deserve to argue - Get over it, that's what tankers and clubbers do - You've got no room to complain! I've been doing it for XXX time But I'm gonna rant anyhow, because how 'hard' I am isn't at issue here, how long I've played doesn't excuse this level of problem, excusing the poor behavior of others is not an answer... it's a cop-out, and the fact you may have done it longer than me doesn't make it any more palatable - it just makes you more bitter . I recently climbed into Diamond 3 - no great shakes I know, but for it being only my 3rd month in the game I'd say not too shabby. The issue is, it seems like a light switch went on. That light switch is probably about a $200 hangar difference in CP and AU components, and 500m is just nowhere near cutting it anymore as 'mid' range let along the 350 on my bots who get charred to oblivion before closing to fire anymore. Adding insult to injury, my roughly 20-30 games have all been almost exclusively on the biggest maps including >10 of them on 'canyon' with more Deathmatches than other game modes >7 of them on Springfield, again with DM being the most common game mode So, while part of this is the matchmaker pulling higher and higher ranked opponents (Which I sorta expected)... Part of this is a <Bovine Fecal Deposit> RNG for game types and maps that seems to really Punish those rising into the ranks where 600m weapon become not just available, but ubiquitous for the opposing force. The insult to injury here is that I will have to continue to suck in this bracket while I try to retool and raise other bots and other gear to the level of playable. All of that presupposing I just get CP gear to fall like rain. Thanks for the <fecal material> sandwich, Pix. The reward for advancement really is a kick in the <genitalia> or a blatant money grab to stay competitive. Ahoy matey! Don't get bitter, get better! “The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.” -Will Ward Ha! Great name!
Your post sparked a thought or two:
I agree that one can get far with lower gear levels and "legacy" gear... but usually it is a player's 2nd or 3rd accounts that are able to do that. Newer players have a rough time of it compared to what I went through. It was a slower progression in the OG MM... and you could stay where you wanted just by not leveling bots and weapons. This allowed time to get used to the level of skill that your opponents were at, before you moved up... which allowed for more skill vs skill match-ups since you didn't have massively OP bots showing up at random. Especially once leveled past the Mag Gep hunting grounds of low Silver Tier. High Silver and Low Gold were the break-in periods for High Gold and TT. It worked.
Now, well, you can't learn at a slow pace. You have to pick up advanced skills before you have advanced gear to even come close to competing as F2P or even just a small spender. It has to be frustrating AF to be where the OP is in terms of both his skillset and his equipment to go against tankers and over-leveled hangars for his league without having the learned skills that can compensate. I don't mean the natural instinct that any mech gamer or flight simulator player would have... but the skillsets specific to this game. I have no doubt that the OP can learn it, but it isn't evident on your first time through what exactly you need until you've been around a minute or two.
I could be way off base... but after playing several accounts, like yourself according to your profile, I realized that "smurf" accounts are just NOT indicative of what new players see. I can play against12/12 Masters and Champs in my 8.5 E2 hangar in iOS, now, but if I had encountered the same environments that people see now back when I was all newbish, I would have prolly put the game down.
Sorry, just randomness.... carry on!
IMO, YMMV
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inspirace
Trusted Contributor 
Posts: 2,670
Karma: 2,959
Pilot name: inspirace
Platform: iOS
Clan: NEW
League: Champion
Server Region: North America
Favorite robot: Rog, Griff, Carn, Doc, Rhino, Haechi, Kumiho, Bulgasari, Mender, Inquisitor, Spectre, Strider,
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Post by inspirace on Jun 14, 2018 16:20:09 GMT -5
Palpable anger, self-censored expletives and pre-emptive counter arguments to potential criticism. A solid rant. A+ As to advice, everyone playing War Robots has or is experiencing this. You are not alone. And yes, Pix sucks. If you want to keep progressing up the leagues (and there are many who think Diamond and Expert are fine places to stay) then here are my suggestions: • skip the gekko Leo - not very effective in upper leagues and a waste of silver. But can be a fun troll build. • Galahad can perform well vs all the long range energy weapons but is not used at all in Masters and Champ. It’s a good mid league bot, so level only to 9 to max speed • focus leveling Tarans and orkans - you can swap them on to better component bots once you get and level them • Carnage is fine for now, especially with dragoon’s but again only level to 9. Then you can get a 3rd dragoon for a Fury if it’s still relevant by then (or two on a Bulwark if you can get that) • get a Kumi, Haechi and/or Bulg using the daily offers for Au and Ag. Takes a month or so but you will get more long term use out of those than any of the WSP bots. I loved my Rhino, but it just can’t hang in Champ except as a situational ST counter with an RDB build. My advice for how to compete vs mid and long range weapons is to learn how to use cover and advance during reload. Your Rhino will still be good for this, especially against plasma builds. High level opponents will now be the normal experience for you. Just make smart bot and weapon choices, keep leveling them (don’t waste time and Ag on non meta gear) and watch better players to learn their tricks. OR just level everything you want to 9 and stay in the mid leagues. Less BS to frustrate you than in the top leagues. Pix has made War Robots a hamster wheel of punishing matches to get you to spend real money. All solid advice. I would like to add just one piece: you can use Galahad in Champion league (iOS) if you can drop it only in larger maps (YM, CN, and SF). I run a level 11/11 Punisher Galahad in my second hangar specialized for larger maps (hangar in the signature). It can surprise Shocktrain builds, cross open fields to cap beacons, etc. Maybe not suitable for deeper Champion league after the release of Dragoons and Fluxes, but will definitely work for Master leagues, |
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Post by nocluevok on Jun 14, 2018 16:30:04 GMT -5
First ideas to try to counter this: - Level my galahad in waiting to replace the PDB Griffin (jump is a trap, ground-speed seems more important, shield) - Outfit the Leo with my 3 gekkos (no clue how I ended up with so many of them) and a tempest to replace the quickly fading Orkan Rhino - Level my carnage and fit it with my first real CP gear (a dragoon) and save to buy a Zeus for next to it to swap out for my Rogatka (which makes me sad) Toughts? For what it's worth, I shelved my MK2/12 Leo when I hit Masters, along with... MK2/12 Geckos, MK2/12 Punishers & MK2/12 Molots. Unless you have a second hanger for large maps, it's not worth the expenditure. Too many fast, lethal bots out there. |
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Post by White1Golf on Jun 14, 2018 17:04:10 GMT -5
Ahoy matey! Don't get bitter, get better! “The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.” -Will Ward Ha! Great name!
Your post sparked a thought or two:
I agree that one can get far with lower gear levels and "legacy" gear... but usually it is a player's 2nd or 3rd accounts that are able to do that. Newer players have a rough time of it compared to what I went through. It was a slower progression in the OG MM... and you could stay where you wanted just by not leveling bots and weapons. This allowed time to get used to the level of skill that your opponents were at, before you moved up... which allowed for more skill vs skill match-ups since you didn't have massively OP bots showing up at random. Especially once leveled past the Mag Gep hunting grounds of low Silver Tier. High Silver and Low Gold were the break-in periods for High Gold and TT. It worked.
Now, well, you can't learn at a slow pace. You have to pick up advanced skills before you have advanced gear to even come close to competing as F2P or even just a small spender. It has to be frustrating AF to be where the OP is in terms of both his skillset and his equipment to go against tankers and over-leveled hangars for his league without having the learned skills that can compensate. I don't mean the natural instinct that any mech gamer or flight simulator player would have... but the skillsets specific to this game. I have no doubt that the OP can learn it, but it isn't evident on your first time through what exactly you need until you've been around a minute or two.
I could be way off base... but after playing several accounts, like yourself according to your profile, I realized that "smurf" accounts are just NOT indicative of what new players see. I can play against12/12 Masters and Champs in my 8.5 E2 hangar in iOS, now, but if I had encountered the same environments that people see now back when I was all newbish, I would have prolly put the game down.
Sorry, just randomness.... carry on!
IMO, YMMV
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Post by masshole on Jun 14, 2018 17:34:12 GMT -5
So, I fully expect the response here to be: - Harden the #### up - You're so new you don't deserve to argue - Get over it, that's what tankers and clubbers do - You've got no room to complain! I've been doing it for XXX time But I'm gonna rant anyhow, because how 'hard' I am isn't at issue here, how long I've played doesn't excuse this level of problem, excusing the poor behavior of others is not an answer... it's a cop-out, and the fact you may have done it longer than me doesn't make it any more palatable - it just makes you more bitter . I recently climbed into Diamond 3 - no great shakes I know, but for it being only my 3rd month in the game I'd say not too shabby. The issue is, it seems like a light switch went on. That light switch is probably about a $200 hangar difference in CP and AU components, and 500m is just nowhere near cutting it anymore as 'mid' range let along the 350 on my bots who get charred to oblivion before closing to fire anymore. Adding insult to injury, my roughly 20-30 games have all been almost exclusively on the biggest maps including >10 of them on 'canyon' with more Deathmatches than other game modes >7 of them on Springfield, again with DM being the most common game mode So, while part of this is the matchmaker pulling higher and higher ranked opponents (Which I sorta expected)... Part of this is a <Bovine Fecal Deposit> RNG for game types and maps that seems to really Punish those rising into the ranks where 600m weapon become not just available, but ubiquitous for the opposing force. The insult to injury here is that I will have to continue to suck in this bracket while I try to retool and raise other bots and other gear to the level of playable. All of that presupposing I just get CP gear to fall like rain. Thanks for the <fecal material> sandwich, Pix. The reward for advancement really is a kick in the <genitalia> or a blatant money grab to stay competitive. This is EXACTLY where I am. I hit Diamond III a week or two a go an now Diamond II and am getting smoked. I have a L9 Gareth, a L7 RDB and PDB Griff, L8 DB griff, and a Thunder Pinata Leo. I cant move without getting abused. |
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Post by T34 on Jun 14, 2018 17:35:04 GMT -5
OP, Hi5 nailed it IMO.
WRT the pay wall, I reckon it will double down on you as you advance from diamond up. Eg, when you make it to Exp than the transition will be even rougher than from gold to diamond.
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Post by DiscountDalek on Jun 14, 2018 18:34:54 GMT -5
Expert league will 「fluffernutter」 you up.
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Post by Koko Bop on Jun 14, 2018 19:55:56 GMT -5
I feel you on the jarring transition. I bounced back and forth between silver and gold for a month or more. I was however, nearing the end of a long upgrade period, and by the time I hit diamond3, I was frantically raising up three new bots, which I got mostly from accumulating pieces in storage. Since being in D3, I have avoided getting smoked, and only bounced back to gold one time.
I mean no disrespect to the more experienced pilots whoâve offered advice, but I was real recently about where you are.
Iâm currently running L9 Leo w/ L10 gekkos and L10 Tempest, even though I have a full set of dashbots...these need leveling still, and Leo kicks 「bum-bum」. The most important thing right now is to keep winning enough that you donât sag back down to silver. Itâs true that the Au/Ag equipment has limited lifespan, given where you are, but theyâll STILL help you win, so donât be afraid to bring them up some while youâre scavenging current gear.
This will not end the keister kicking, but is a useable stop-gap measure. Get the most up of your time by giving yourself after-action sessions. Since youâve only been at it for three months, you need to use the beat downs to improve your piloting skills, learn to make better use of cover, learn the peculiarities of your bots, make changes in strategy and tactics and load-outs until you find approaches and methods that are comfortable and rack up scores.
I advise against updating a single bot or weapon from one to your goal, then moving to another: when trying to bring up the whole hangar, you need to level broadly, making sure that the hangar is made stronger by each waiting period. One topped-out weapon, one L12 bot, wonât be enough:: all hangar bots to 6, 8 preferably; all weapons to 8, then 10. Works well.
Good luck, I look forward to seeing you on the field!
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Post by rags on Jun 14, 2018 20:43:52 GMT -5
It’s the rant section so rant away. Only thing I’ll say is it was like that before component bots even existed. You hit certain points and get crushed until you get your stuff leveled up. The only good thing is that will develop your skills. A lot of these dudes who spend money are still bad pilots. Galahad gets wrecked higher up... Plasma griff is good. what do you mean jump is a trap? Leo with gekkos is weak. DB rhino is probably the best thing to use orkans on until you get a dash bot. yea, Rog mostly relegated to lower leagues now. Griffins are easy kill in the air when out of cover, easy for me spectre shocktrain and for my spectre scourge Cool story |
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Post by Koko Bop on Jun 14, 2018 21:00:43 GMT -5
OP, Hi5 nailed it IMO. WRT the pay wall, I reckon it will double down on you as you advance from diamond up. Eg, when you make it to Exp than the transition will be even rougher than from gold to diamond. I wasn’t thinking about leagues at the time, just knew that my weapons couldn’t deal enough damage to keep me alive/winning, and part of that was because my bots weren’t durable enough to let them deliver what they had. I just knew that, if I didn’t get serious the game would become unplayable, unenjoyable for me. I didn’t want that. Best game ever. So far. |
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cross
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Platform: Android
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Post by cross on Jun 14, 2018 21:42:27 GMT -5
If you aim to play long term, level the two popular weapons first (taran, orkan). Maybe up to Level 10. Any higher will be too demanding on the silvers for now. These two are still practical at higher league. Then level the bots up to the maximum where the speed plateau, usually Level 9 if I'm not mistaken. From here, save all the silvers you get. Use gold to buy the first 3 - 5 workshop point deals. Use workshop points for the daily offers of bots you want. For mid-range, I use Zeus, Punisher, Tulumbas, Pins. Then I upgraded to Scourges. Saving for my 3rd one now and slowly getting my Bulgasari. Also managed to get a Kumiho on the last campaign. So I mount both Scourges on the Kumiho now. Play with an open mind. Win or lose, you still get silvers. Good luck!
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