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Post by Koko Bop on Jun 12, 2018 22:47:02 GMT -5
Can you believe it? Everyone’s *favorite* weapon? War Robots pilots BELIEVE in orkans!!! What the Hubble is WRONG with you, kid?
“No sir, I didn’t like it”. I think the Orkan is overpowered, impossible to defend against unless you have a jump available, and generally a cowardly way to conduct battle.
Consider my most common interaction with orkans: I’m in the field, there’s a red on the other side of the wall, and before I can even expose myself to fire, I’m dead. Orkans fired at where I *could* have been killed me, without a single one of them ever hitting me. This scenario happens practically every battle, to where I’ve started heading the other direction when I notice a red tracking me from out of reach. THAT is some major league bovine product...this ONE ‘tactic’ is one of the most broken things in the game, and is certainly more havoc-wreaking than the shocktrain, which makes the wailing about ST just so much hypocrisy. I only have the one ST, but I use it for hunting Orkan-carriers. It’s less boring and less obnoxious than the regular Orkan death-by-proxy, and is unorkanlike in its encouragement of new tactics and strategies.
Of the five bots in my hangar, TWELVE medium points, only ONE has an Orkan. (I *do* have 4, but I don’t like them)
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Post by windcaster on Jun 12, 2018 22:50:41 GMT -5
Orkans over powered? Wait till you're out ranged and getting ripped to bits.. the 300m range is pretty short even ember. a freaking flame thrower out ranges it WUT?!?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2018 22:56:02 GMT -5
Well Orkans don't like You
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Post by anjian on Jun 12, 2018 22:57:29 GMT -5
I love Orkans. Not only do I have two Haechis with them, I also got a Spectre and a Hover packed with them. Lately I have been playing my two Haechis with the Spectre, and that's like 10 Orkans between them in one hanger. The other two bots are Inquisitors.
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Post by maverick on Jun 12, 2018 23:02:33 GMT -5
Tulus are far worse for splash damage, do you hate them too?
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Post by Koko Bop on Jun 12, 2018 23:06:19 GMT -5
No, I don’t hate tulumbas because they only explode on contact. I resent losing a bot to a weapon that didn’t even hit me.
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Post by Koko Bop on Jun 12, 2018 23:09:15 GMT -5
Orkans over powered? Wait till you're out ranged and getting ripped to bits.. the 300m range is pretty short even ember. a freaking flame thrower out ranges it WUT?!? Ember is a separate ‘I hate it’ but for similar reasons.
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Post by inspirace on Jun 12, 2018 23:15:44 GMT -5
Can you believe it? Everyone’s *favorite* weapon? War Robots pilots BELIEVE in orkans!!! What the Hubble is WRONG with you, kid? “No sir, I didn’t like it”. I think the Orkan is overpowered, impossible to defend against unless you have a jump available, and generally a cowardly way to conduct battle. Consider my most common interaction with orkans: I’m in the field, there’s a red on the other side of the wall, and before I can even expose myself to fire, I’m dead. Orkans fired at where I *could* have been killed me, without a single one of them ever hitting me. This scenario happens practically every battle, to where I’ve started heading the other direction when I notice a red tracking me from out of reach. THAT is some major league bovine product...this ONE ‘tactic’ is one of the most broken things in the game, and is certainly more havoc-wreaking than the shocktrain, which makes the wailing about ST just so much hypocrisy. I only have the one ST, but I use it for hunting Orkan-carriers. It’s less boring and less obnoxious than the regular Orkan death-by-proxy, and is unorkanlike in its encouragement of new tactics and strategies. Of the five bots in my hangar, TWELVE medium points, only ONE has an Orkan. (I *do* have 4, but I don’t like them) Perhaps try to make the enemy think you *could* be at one place and then be totally somewhere else by the time rockets arrive at you? Or try to maintain >350m with a plasma setup. Or let the Orkan shooter empty their shots to a teammate and kill it when Orkans start to pee?
There are many ways to fight against Orkans, even when they are poured onto you from a jumping Spectre ...
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Jun 12, 2018 23:15:52 GMT -5
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Post by 0ppressor on Jun 12, 2018 23:22:17 GMT -5
No, I don’t hate tulumbas because they only explode on contact. I resent losing a bot to a weapon that didn’t even hit me. Hasn't been true since 2.9(?) on Android.
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Post by Gdu4ever on Jun 12, 2018 23:29:33 GMT -5
Everyone has their own strengths and weaknesses.
If you can't do CQC well, just don't do it.
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Post by [CK]erazor on Jun 13, 2018 0:24:19 GMT -5
Can you believe it? Everyone’s *favorite* weapon? War Robots pilots BELIEVE in orkans!!! What the Hubble is WRONG with you, kid? “No sir, I didn’t like it”. I think the Orkan is overpowered, impossible to defend against unless you have a jump available, and generally a cowardly way to conduct battle. Consider my most common interaction with orkans: I’m in the field, there’s a red on the other side of the wall, and before I can even expose myself to fire, I’m dead. Orkans fired at where I *could* have been killed me, without a single one of them ever hitting me. This scenario happens practically every battle, to where I’ve started heading the other direction when I notice a red tracking me from out of reach. THAT is some major league bovine product...this ONE ‘tactic’ is one of the most broken things in the game, and is certainly more havoc-wreaking than the shocktrain, which makes the wailing about ST just so much hypocrisy. I only have the one ST, but I use it for hunting Orkan-carriers. It’s less boring and less obnoxious than the regular Orkan death-by-proxy, and is unorkanlike in its encouragement of new tactics and strategies. Of the five bots in my hangar, TWELVE medium points, only ONE has an Orkan. (I *do* have 4, but I don’t like them) While Orkan is still powerful, it's far from being overpowered. In the old days, the only bot that had three slots for Orkan was the Fujin and I loved piloting my Fujin. Took some time to master but once having mastered this bot, it was a killing machine. Disadvantage of course was, that once you utilize the shield, you become a sitting duck so it was only usable against weapons which would get stopped by the Fujin's Ancile. Today? We have bots with three slots that can dash and have Ancile that works while they're walking. (Haechi). We further have boths that have four slots and can jump and make themselves invisible. tl;dr Not Orkan is a problem. Stealth bots, super fast bots and bots with three or even four slots are the problem.
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Post by Stapleton on Jun 13, 2018 0:31:52 GMT -5
No, I don’t hate tulumbas because they only explode on contact. I resent losing a bot to a weapon that didn’t even hit me. Tulumbas have a much greater splash radius than orkans. A fact I exploit regularly and the reason I still rock an RDB in Expert league. Are you sure you're not being hit by those? Like the other guys say, either keep 350 metres away or wait until they have unleashed their main salvo before engaging. Won't always work out but satisfying when it does.
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Post by cheap on Jun 13, 2018 3:48:00 GMT -5
i say fight where you feel comfortable, some it CqC others like range. ST's ... di¢k move weak sauce.
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Post by ancelot on Jun 13, 2018 4:21:01 GMT -5
"orkan is owerpowered"
Lmao, what league are you in ?
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Post by maverick on Jun 13, 2018 4:38:59 GMT -5
No, I don’t hate tulumbas because they only explode on contact. I resent losing a bot to a weapon that didn’t even hit me. You are kidding right? I've been killed many times by tulus exploding a kilometre away from me fired at another bot. OK I exaggerate a little but you get the idea the splash damage from them is stupid.
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Post by RightOn on Jun 13, 2018 4:49:54 GMT -5
You're 5 years too late on that one.
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Post by optimusprime on Jun 13, 2018 5:24:01 GMT -5
Can you believe it? Everyone’s *favorite* weapon? War Robots pilots BELIEVE in orkans!!! What the Hubble is WRONG with you, kid? “No sir, I didn’t like it”. I think the Orkan is overpowered, impossible to defend against unless you have a jump available, and generally a cowardly way to conduct battle. Consider my most common interaction with orkans: I’m in the field, there’s a red on the other side of the wall, and before I can even expose myself to fire, I’m dead. Orkans fired at where I *could* have been killed me, without a single one of them ever hitting me. This scenario happens practically every battle, to where I’ve started heading the other direction when I notice a red tracking me from out of reach. THAT is some major league bovine product...this ONE ‘tactic’ is one of the most broken things in the game, and is certainly more havoc-wreaking than the shocktrain, which makes the wailing about ST just so much hypocrisy. I only have the one ST, but I use it for hunting Orkan-carriers. It’s less boring and less obnoxious than the regular Orkan death-by-proxy, and is unorkanlike in its encouragement of new tactics and strategies. Of the five bots in my hangar, TWELVE medium points, only ONE has an Orkan. (I *do* have 4, but I don’t like them) You have to get them yourself,because thats how this game works.You must fight fire with fire!
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Post by iFail on Jun 13, 2018 5:53:30 GMT -5
My opinion on Orkans:
1: Getting killed by a bot without Orkans while in a bot without Orkans:
"Oh, ok. Nice shot!"
2: Getting killed by a bot without Orkans while in a bot with Orkans:
"I could've taken him! Darn!"
3: Getting killed by a bot with Orkans while in a bot with Orkans:
"I've been outsmarted. Touché."
4: Getting killed by a bot with Orkans while in a bot WITHOUT Orkans:
"AAAAAAH! 「fluffernutter」ING NO-SKILL ORKAN SPAMMERS! BROKEN GAME STUPID PIECE OF -"
5: Killing anyone with Orkan:
"What's that? You have half health? How cute! Goodbye, Peasant! Bow to the god of instant damage!"
TL;DR: Orkans are kinda a rage-inducer if used by anyone else, and a power trip if I have them.?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2018 6:46:06 GMT -5
I thought the same as you but you will soon discover in higher leagues the Orkans are not overpowerd. Its now less damage since a few weeks ago.
If u encounter 4x mk2 12 Orks against ur mk1 12 than its logic. U can reach the same level with patience.
Shocktrains r powerful weapons but its ok since those r WMD, they shud fix the bugs.
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Post by Koko Bop on Jun 13, 2018 11:16:58 GMT -5
No, not kidding.
Level 30, Diamond 3.
I give Orkan machines a wide berth whenever I can. I do pretty fine in CQC, but not against orkans, PARTICULARLY in the common situation I described in the OP. If I can be killed so frequently by rockets that don’t hit me, don’t hit anything near me, just sail past, yards away, and I’m dead, I don’t really see the difference between it and and insta-death grenades or some other instakill weapon.
I freely admit that I’ve been unable to work the same tactic successfully: my orkans have never taken a bot down in a single salvo, even when I HIT my target; the dookie projectile ambush has never brought down a bot at my hands in the year I’ve been practicing. I’ll wait until my Doc reaches L12, and send it out after them, with Orkans...and in the meantime I’ll get my new hangar leveled to 10, get my weapons to 12, and keep rising up.
This wasn’t intended to be a rant, but to spark real discussion...but as I said, War Robots pilots *BELIEVE* in orkans, they tell newbs to start getting orkans and leveling them before they got the paint scratched on their bots.. AFAICT, the shocktrain is a counter to the massive dominance of orkans in the game, and only unbalancing because of that counter strategy sending up wails from the people who count on orkan tricks to win. Fight fire with fire, Optimus see. Makes sense.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jun 13, 2018 11:28:41 GMT -5
I think you are referring to leading the target? Or what looks like "bending the orks" if you are firing them while backing away around a corner.
Here is the deal, the splash area of Orks is a measly 5m. There is a video of a bot getting hit by orkans that are shot a little to one side of it. Simply by revolving his torso by 90 degrees, he stopped taking damage as the part of his hitbox within the splash radius was removed. They are actually very precise weapons for Splash munitions.
Tulus have about 15 m Splash Radius. You have to VERY careful hanging around corners on Shenzhen (for example) when those are around.
Tridents are somewhere around 25 - 30 iirc. I just stay out of their range until they fire, even if it is just to cross a piece of ground that just barely dips into their range.
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Post by CrownBlack on Jun 13, 2018 11:49:55 GMT -5
you know I still remember the day I got my first Ork. I felt so powerful by putting it on my trusty Golem with a thunder and pinata. What a sweet ride!! I love the Ork so much that I named my first son Orkan Thunder Golem Pinata Crownblack. He has gotten used to it. Hell even the guy who wrote Lord of the Rings loved them so much he named the mean creatures after it. So loosen up on the ork hate, you have bigger fish to fry.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Jun 13, 2018 13:41:02 GMT -5
Totally lost me as soon as it was suggested that CQC is a cowardly way to do battle. If that's the case, then what do you call gekkos, trebuchets, and hydras. This thread is either A, a troll post; B, sarcasm (and a very poor attempt at that); or C, the product of a complete idiot.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jun 13, 2018 14:04:28 GMT -5
Totally lost me as soon as it was suggested that CQC is a cowardly way to do battle. If that's the case, then what do you call gekkos, trebuchets, and hydras. This thread is either A, a troll post; B, sarcasm (and a very poor attempt at that); or C, the product of a complete idiot. Good to see you haven't sharpened that edge up at all... still as blunt as a sledgehammer!
You could turn C into "inexperienced" if you chose to be a bit more tactful... but... yeah, not the typical Danny that we know and love!
I agree that close quarters battle is anything but cowardly. I think the OP was referring to the way that you can shoot Orks so that folks walk INTO the explosions, judging from the rest of the post... but I could be wrong.
Will let him/her speak for themselves.
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Post by Koko Bop on Jun 13, 2018 14:07:35 GMT -5
That’s NOT what I said, Danny. I said I’m pretty good at CQC. I’m a brawler at heart.
I said I don’t like orkans. Orkans. Heckles, it may just be they have to be 10 or above to wake up, I’ve noticed that with other weapons, and mine are L9.
Still has nothing to do with whether it’s cool to kill a bot without a missle coming within splash range, and no, not talking about walking into a missle stream, ‘cause duh, I try hard not to do that - happens, but totally my bad.
PS: I like you, too
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2018 14:16:13 GMT -5
I think what OP is saying is something simple.
A. CQ is two guys fist fighting B. CQ is two guys with pistols
Both are close quarters but B is cowardly compared to A. Bam , you are down , you are dead, while A...
Two bots with punishers CQ is hard core compared to a 3 second of orkan exchange CQ.
Yep. Well OP it's an arcade bro. Red button and stuff explode. You either embrace it and accept the fun such games can bring or you play a different one.
Edit: Just saw the answer ...
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Post by HEATHEN HERETIC on Jun 13, 2018 14:42:48 GMT -5
I'm that 「bum-bum hole」 tracking you behind that cover ready to shred you with splash before you pop out and cut me down.?
I use both an Orkan/Pinata/Griff and a Tulu/Pin/Griff. Hit and run, hit and run. I learned years ago to be wary of such builds but I still get caught by them too.
I'm also sky-bombing with a Vortex/Aphid/Griff as well. And now I have two 「dookie」stains on a Zeus/Inquisitor. Got damn tired of being hammered by those damn things and so I decided to keep the last two that accumulated in my inventory. I've used them a few times just to get used to them but I'm still not a fan of those 「dookie」ty things. Personally I'd rather be pounded by Orkans to my face or at least directly or even by splash than ricocheted to death while reloading behind cover. I can move if I start to feel threatened by splash. I can't teleport away from the damn 「dookie」stain. It's instant and removes any relief or advantage of using cover as a reprieve.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jun 13, 2018 14:48:34 GMT -5
I'm that ?bum-bum? tracking you behind that cover ready to shred you with splash before you pop out and cut me down.ð I use both an Orkan/Pinata/Griff and a Tulu/Pin/Griff. Hit and run, hit and run. I learned years ago to be wary of such builds but I still get caught by them too. I'm also sky-bombing with a Vortex/Aphid/Griff as well. And now I have two ?dookie?stains on a Zeus/Inquisitor. Got damn tired of being hammered by those damn things and so I decided to keep the last two that accumulated in my inventory. I've used them a few times just to get used to them but I'm still not a fan of those ?dookie?ty things. Personally I'd rather be pounded by Orkans to my face or at least directly or even by splash than ricocheted to death while reloading behind cover. I can move if I start to feel threatened by splash. I can't teleport away from the damn ?dookie?stain. It's instant and removes any relief or advantage of using cover as a reprieve. It was the cookies... wasn't it?
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Post by Zero Jee on Jun 13, 2018 14:54:52 GMT -5
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