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Post by [CK]erazor on May 18, 2018 10:05:43 GMT -5
"We want all new robots and weapons as some of the existing ones to be more affordable. It will be easier to acquire robots you really like and start playing them as soon as you want. At the same time upgrades will be harder to produce and pilots will invest in gear they really want to play. In a nutshell: equipment will be much easier to get but longer to upgrade. For example, you will get Mercury 3 times faster, on average. The same goes for Pursuer, Spectre, Inquisitor and other fresh robots. Ember’s or Dragoon’s acquiring time will be reduced by third and Redeemer’s will be cut in half. We rebalance economy of some of the old robots as well. For example, Destrier will take twice longer to upgrade, while Rogatka upgrades will be faster. Mind that all upgrade changes will affect only the new-acquired equipment. So upgrade time for robots or weapons you already have won’t change. In order to help you upgrade your favourite gear Battle Rewards will bring twice as much silver. The exact amount will depend on your league. But for any league silver rewards will be doubled. All these changes will appear in one of the closest updates. With them we want to support one of War Robots core concepts: customize gameplay the way you want and choose the robots and weapons that suit you the most." That's what we wanted. Even LONGER upgrade times. LOL. Source: warrobots.net/en/posts/244 |
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Post by wildboar on May 18, 2018 10:12:07 GMT -5
... earn gold to cut upgrade times ... ultimately they want you to buy gold for this
I blew about 4k Au today boosting upgrades of a dragoon , inquisitor & a scourge ...
I stuck the Dragoon on a Strider ... very funny ... this zippy little 「dookie」 hitting long range with some hard hitting Zaps ... the recharge on the dashes is a bit slow leaving it vulnerable to Kumiho
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Post by [CK]erazor on May 18, 2018 10:15:30 GMT -5
... earn gold to cut upgrade times ... ultimately they want you to buy gold for this I blew about 4k Au today boosting upgrades of a dragoon , inquisitor & a scourge ... I stuck the Dragoon on a Strider ... very funny ... this zippy little ?dookie? hitting long range with some hard hitting Zaps ... the recharge on the dashes is a bit slow leaving it vulnerable to Kumiho Exactly. In this way they want to create incentives for players to buy more gold again. |
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Post by snk on May 18, 2018 10:28:35 GMT -5
I was thinking go for MKII after I upgrade 2 Orkan and Spectre from stock level will be dream?
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Post by krebby on May 18, 2018 10:29:03 GMT -5
Oh yes, I can see the direct connection between increasing the already punishing upgrade costs and "choos[ing] the robots and weapons that suit you the most."
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Post by Domino on May 18, 2018 10:32:45 GMT -5
If it's anything like the Raven, were screwed
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Post by bone on May 18, 2018 10:36:03 GMT -5
If this is the way that pixonic wants to go with upgrade times then I'm ok with it, however they have to slow down the pace of new tech being released. If the upgrades are taking much longer then they must give you value for the time spent in the longevity of the items usefulness.
I played another game where very expensive content was being released and by the time you had half built what you needed another item which outclassed it had already been made available, the player base in that game has dwindled to the point they had to close 3 servers.
Longer upgrades must equal slower item releases or pixonic will have lots of frustrated players with hangers full of half upgraded equipment which is not fit for purpose and a feeling that they have wasted time and silver for nothing.
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Post by wildboar on May 18, 2018 10:37:02 GMT -5
Of course the knock on will be major tanking for dash 「total babe」s to slaughter newbies to earn easy Ag ...
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Post by Domino on May 18, 2018 10:37:11 GMT -5
Claim your components now. From the sounds of it, if it's in your hangar it won't get affected... only new stuff
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Post by krebby on May 18, 2018 10:42:38 GMT -5
Claim your components now. From the sounds of it, if it's in your hangar it won't get affected... only new stuff Yes, I think this is good advice. Also, I really want to know how this change will affect Mk2. If you Mk2 a pre-change item, does the level 1 Mk2 item count as "new-acquired" or pre-change? |
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Post by Danny Linguini on May 18, 2018 11:02:33 GMT -5
It's 「dookie」 like this that makes me really, really winder if these 「multiple bum-bums」 have ever played their own game as a regular player starting out from scratch for the first time. Everything they do screams an emphatic and resounding 'no'.
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Post by bronzeknee on May 18, 2018 11:09:41 GMT -5
This is hilarious. It's so tone deaf because it will mean the end of anyone being competitive with the whales at all. When people get new stuff, they naturally want to try it out. But I'm not waiting two months to upgrade a Raven or anything for that matter. Thankfully, the Raven isn't one of the best robots.
But in the future when new extremely powerful robots and weapons are released, no one will be able to afford to upgrade this stuff except the whales before something better comes along. Thus, eventually all the meta robots and weapons will be unusable at the top by the vast majority of players. This will drive high end players from the game because they don't want to be whale food. The matchmaker will be forced to give the whales increasingly easier competition, and it will just be Pixonic sponsored clubbing.
They have zero understanding of human behavior. This is a huge middle finger to the perennial Pixonic defenders who talk about how easy it is to get component stuff without spending money...
I know a lot of people are skeptical that Battle of Titans is going to take over, but remember Battle of Titans is still in beta. In a year from now, it is what we will all be playing.
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Post by Revelate on May 18, 2018 11:24:11 GMT -5
Guess I will offer the dissenting view as a newer player.
TLDR: this makes the game less P2W, and that's a good thing.
Disclaimer: I spent money to acquire gear, because the amount spent was trivial in comparison to the time that would've been spent grinding. As a result, some of my clan mates have said "You've only been playing for a month and you have stuff I don't have even after a year!" multiple times, so this is an indication that I'm not going to be alone in this opinion.
Many people play this game for months or years, it's a pretty compelling premise for all that people have described it as a dying game... yep there are issues, and one of them is people don't have access to the new gear. So now, WSP/gold offers 3x on that Spectre, and 3x from the Royale (though my guess is they will just cut token prices by 1/3). That sucks /sarcasm.
Longer upgrade times, who does that really affect?
1) Diamond and below: current IOS if you have level 7 gear you can play with it in Diamond even with average skill... that's a non-trivial bit of the player base and doesn't take long to get to even at 2 or 3x the amount of time required.
2) Master and above: regardless of platform you already have a functional team so we're just talking added capabilities. If you want to spend gold to speed that process along (I did) more power to you, but it's not needed.
3) Expert, expert match making is a cluster ?fluffernutter? anyway, but those of us sitting in there now will suck it up... my random little Expert 3 league is smaller than every other one I've seen which suggests people transition through Expert either on the way to Master or tanking down to Diamond (different issue).
4) New players: ultimately skill > gear, that's been proven over and over again: I'm an average pilot at this point for all that I sometimes take top slots in pub, when I squad with my clan I'm happy if I'm not dead last, so let's take the brand spanking newbie with a destrier and 3 slots... that person will spend more time upgrading which does slow down the progression, but wait, all the new component gear which people cry about acquisition rate will be tripled, which means in a month or two after the change we'll see Destriers and similar with Gust weapons or a Cossack with a Storm, which will make for interesting gameplay even at the low end. Again this does slow down progression in the gear space, but that's not necessarily a bad thing as gear is faster to obtain than real skill, so it's not that big of an issue really.
With how many people in this game artificially limit their ranks either by tanking (and I submit 3-4 of those stupid reports a day, this game is rife with it) or others that flatly refuse to upgrade their gear past 9/9 and take the beating when we squad and get matched with Noob and similar (like seriously why even play that match), so this change really affects virtually nobody negatively except maybe the new players, which I don't really see. I do think the old gear (read as non-component) should have current upgrade times but that's a tweak which can be made.
Oh and the silver change, that's for the legion of casual players (I'm finding I play more in a day than some do in a week or more in my clan as an example) once they get to non-trivial gear levels, and that's a good thing too... it's also for those of us who speed upgrades as have been pointed out, you need a lot of silver if you're skipping time as you have to be playing a lot to earn enough to keep punching that ticket.
Ultimately I think this change is good up and down the stack, people and the game will not only be OK, it should be better.
(edit: speaking of better when does this forum Quarantine go away?)
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Post by Danny Linguini on May 18, 2018 11:48:28 GMT -5
Simple answer to the above -- longer upgrade times are going to affect EVERYONE who doesn't pay for gold to speed up upgrades. All Pix is doing here is dangling the carrot closer to your face by (supposedly) making the gear you want available quicker -- except you can't use it until it's leveled. The way the availability progression works, by the time any of the truly desirable gear is available, players are already pretty well advanced and should have their gear leveled to at least 5. Which means to remain competitive, any new gear they acquire will need to be closely leveled to be useful. Except now it's going to take longer. Unless you want to pay. The whales who are already paying for instant upgrades are going to continue to pay. The noncomformists like me are still NOT going to pay. But many who are presently on the fence about paying will probably be more compelled to pay in order to keep up... or quit because they can't. Pix doesn't care about the latter, only the former. Anybody who continues to hang on without paying is only going to fall farther and farther behind the rest. Probably with even bigger piles of nice new - and unusable - gear.
So who again does this change help?
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Post by mechtout on May 18, 2018 11:57:19 GMT -5
Was going to wait to spend my au on a fury, but might need to put one in the hangar now to lock in the upgrade time
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Post by windcaster on May 18, 2018 11:58:36 GMT -5
Dude I can't upgrade my ?dookie? any faster.. look at my schedule.
And just so you know I didn't make that up just now "-" means completed.
I mapped mine out at time I could be up to get another one going, my shop runs non stop.
Upgrade Schedule
-LV6 Orkan finishes 3pm Thurs
-Lv4 Kumi: 7pm thurs
-Lv5 Gust: 12am Friday
-Lv5 Kumi: 10am Friday
-Lv7 Orkan: 4pm Sat
-Lv6 Kumi: Noon Sun
-Lv6 Gust: 9:30pm Sun
~New Gust first few level quick upgrade to lv4: 11:00pm Sun
-Lv7 Kumi: 8:00am Tue
-Lv5 Gust: 12:45pm Tue
-Lv8 Orkan: 2:45am Thur
Lv8 Kumi: 12:45am Sat
Lv7 Gust: 8:15pm Sat
Lv9 Orkan: 5:15pm Mon
Lv9 Kumi: 2:15am Thur
Lv6 Gust: 11:45am Thur
Lv8 Gust: 1:00pm Fri
Lv9 Gust: 7:00pm Sat
Lv7 Gust: 3:30pm Sun
Lv8 Guet: 4:45pm Mon
Lv9 Gust: 10:45pm Tue
Kumi/Orkan/Both Gusts Now lv9 (June 5th)
Current Times are: +5
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Post by ΒΣRΖΣRKΛ²³ on May 18, 2018 12:02:39 GMT -5
Guess I will offer the dissenting view as a newer player. TLDR: this makes the game less P2W, and that's a good thing. Disclaimer: I spent money to acquire gear, because the amount spent was trivial in comparison to the time that would've been spent grinding. As a result, some of my clan mates have said "You've only been playing for a month and you have stuff I don't have even after a year!" multiple times, so this is an indication that I'm not going to be alone in this opinion. Many people play this game for months or years, it's a pretty compelling premise for all that people have described it as a dying game... yep there are issues, and one of them is people don't have access to the new gear. So now, WSP/gold offers 3x on that Spectre, and 3x from the Royale (though my guess is they will just cut token prices by 1/3). That sucks /sarcasm. Longer upgrade times, who does that really affect? 1) Diamond and below: current IOS if you have level 7 gear you can play with it in Diamond even with average skill... that's a non-trivial bit of the player base and doesn't take long to get to even at 2 or 3x the amount of time required. 2) Master and above: regardless of platform you already have a functional team so we're just talking added capabilities. If you want to spend gold to speed that process along (I did) more power to you, but it's not needed. 3) Expert, expert match making is a cluster ?fluffernutter? anyway, but those of us sitting in there now will suck it up... my random little Expert 3 league is smaller than every other one I've seen which suggests people transition through Expert either on the way to Master or tanking down to Diamond (different issue). 4) New players: ultimately skill > gear, that's been proven over and over again: I'm an average pilot at this point for all that I sometimes take top slots in pub, when I squad with my clan I'm happy if I'm not dead last, so let's take the brand spanking newbie with a destrier and 3 slots... that person will spend more time upgrading which does slow down the progression, but wait, all the new component gear which people cry about acquisition rate will be tripled, which means in a month or two after the change we'll see Destriers and similar with Gust weapons or a Cossack with a Storm, which will make for interesting gameplay even at the low end. Again this does slow down progression in the gear space, but that's not necessarily a bad thing as gear is faster to obtain than real skill, so it's not that big of an issue really. With how many people in this game artificially limit their ranks either by tanking (and I submit 3-4 of those stupid reports a day, this game is rife with it) or others that flatly refuse to upgrade their gear past 9/9 and take the beating when we squad and get matched with Noob and similar (like seriously why even play that match), so this change really affects virtually nobody negatively except maybe the new players, which I don't really see. I do think the old gear (read as non-component) should have current upgrade times but that's a tweak which can be made. Oh and the silver change, that's for the legion of casual players (I'm finding I play more in a day than some do in a week or more in my clan as an example) once they get to non-trivial gear levels, and that's a good thing too... it's also for those of us who speed upgrades as have been pointed out, you need a lot of silver if you're skipping time as you have to be playing a lot to earn enough to keep punching that ticket. Ultimately I think this change is good up and down the stack, people and the game will not only be OK, it should be better. (edit: speaking of better when does this forum Quarantine go away?) You have no idea... |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2018 12:06:19 GMT -5
Just used all for upgrades.
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Post by ben2490 on May 18, 2018 12:09:54 GMT -5
Omg windcaster you need to get out more..lol
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Post by Revelate on May 18, 2018 12:18:19 GMT -5
Simple answer to the above -- longer upgrade times are going to affect EVERYONE who doesn't pay for gold to speed up upgrades. All Pix is doing here is dangling the carrot closer to your face by (supposedly) making the gear you want available quicker -- except you can't use it until it's leveled. The way the availability progression works, by the time any of the truly desirable gear is available, players are already pretty well advanced and should have their gear leveled to at least 5. Which means to remain competitive, any new gear they acquire will need to be closely leveled to be useful. Except now it's going to take longer. Unless you want to pay. The whales who are already paying for instant upgrades are going to continue to pay. The noncomformists like me are still NOT going to pay. But many who are presently on the fence about paying will probably be more compelled to pay in order to keep up... or quit because they can't. Pix doesn't care about the latter, only the former. Anybody who continues to hang on without paying is only going to fall farther and farther behind the rest. Probably with even bigger piles of nice new - and unusable - gear. So who again does this change help? Talking level 5, with a Spectre. 2 28,000 59,000 43 2 hours, 30 minutes 3 70,000 63,000 45 5 hours 4 140,000 67,000 47 12 hours 5 280,000 71,000 48 1 day That's less than 2 days currently. Doubling it or even tripling it is less than a week. Presumably they made the upgrade time change so that players such as myself didn't have (much) cause for asking for refunds for all offers purchased (see IOS terms of service). I'm just not seeing the issue for newer players TBH and they didn't say how much it was going to be increased by either. Also those gold rewards when talking low level gear, can get a few hundred gold per day now, that's enough to nearly buy all of that in a sitting. What else are you spending your gold on anyway? I could be wrong here but I don't think so and the arguments made so far ("you have no idea") are ad hominem at best... agreed that it's going to come to a 「fluffernutter」ing crawl longer term, but that doesn't affect new players immediately. My cynical guess, they'll make this change, then give the ability to work on two or three upgrades at once as a new feature to VIP and convert a bunch of people into a subscription model. |
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Post by windcaster on May 18, 2018 12:23:36 GMT -5
Omg windcaster you need to get out more..lol See what Pixonic has done to me?, DO YOU SEE!?, Next they'll come for you  |
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Post by ben2490 on May 18, 2018 12:27:27 GMT -5
I know what you mean...it's only gonna get worse..lol
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Post by Loganspawn on May 18, 2018 12:43:46 GMT -5
 Poor saps are going to be so happy when they get new cool toys then get their behinds handed to them unless they pay to upgrade them ASAP. Pixonic knows where to make money remember they are all about the DATA. |
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Post by Replicant on May 18, 2018 12:56:38 GMT -5
Simple answer to the above -- longer upgrade times are going to affect EVERYONE who doesn't pay for gold to speed up upgrades. All Pix is doing here is dangling the carrot closer to your face by (supposedly) making the gear you want available quicker -- except you can't use it until it's leveled. The way the availability progression works, by the time any of the truly desirable gear is available, players are already pretty well advanced and should have their gear leveled to at least 5. Which means to remain competitive, any new gear they acquire will need to be closely leveled to be useful. Except now it's going to take longer. Unless you want to pay. The whales who are already paying for instant upgrades are going to continue to pay. The noncomformists like me are still NOT going to pay. But many who are presently on the fence about paying will probably be more compelled to pay in order to keep up... or quit because they can't. Pix doesn't care about the latter, only the former. Anybody who continues to hang on without paying is only going to fall farther and farther behind the rest. Probably with even bigger piles of nice new - and unusable - gear. So who again does this change help? So much this. If you're new to the game and don't intend to spend crazy amounts of money, this change is just one more reason to stick with a damage capped hanger in Silver. |
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Post by grendelsbot on May 18, 2018 12:58:35 GMT -5
Funny if they change the currency for cutting upgrade times to silver and that's why they are giving us more silver. Meanwhile everyone uses all their gold in this thread...
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Post by xelraon on May 18, 2018 13:01:28 GMT -5
Or maybe buy an additional upgrade queue for the low price of 20000 gold! Hahahahaha.
They did release multiple hangar options. So maybe theyll release an additional upgrade queue for an enormous amount of "free" stuff.
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Post by Danny Linguini on May 18, 2018 13:11:10 GMT -5
Simple answer to the above -- longer upgrade times are going to affect EVERYONE who doesn't pay for gold to speed up upgrades. All Pix is doing here is dangling the carrot closer to your face by (supposedly) making the gear you want available quicker -- except you can't use it until it's leveled. The way the availability progression works, by the time any of the truly desirable gear is available, players are already pretty well advanced and should have their gear leveled to at least 5. Which means to remain competitive, any new gear they acquire will need to be closely leveled to be useful. Except now it's going to take longer. Unless you want to pay. The whales who are already paying for instant upgrades are going to continue to pay. The noncomformists like me are still NOT going to pay. But many who are presently on the fence about paying will probably be more compelled to pay in order to keep up... or quit because they can't. Pix doesn't care about the latter, only the former. Anybody who continues to hang on without paying is only going to fall farther and farther behind the rest. Probably with even bigger piles of nice new - and unusable - gear. So who again does this change help? Talking level 5, with a Spectre. 2 28,000 59,000 43 2 hours, 30 minutes 3 70,000 63,000 45 5 hours 4 140,000 67,000 47 12 hours 5 280,000 71,000 48 1 day That's less than 2 days currently. Doubling it or even tripling it is less than a week. Presumably they made the upgrade time change so that players such as myself didn't have (much) cause for asking for refunds for all offers purchased (see IOS terms of service). I'm just not seeing the issue for newer players TBH and they didn't say how much it was going to be increased by either. Also those gold rewards when talking low level gear, can get a few hundred gold per day now, that's enough to nearly buy all of that in a sitting. What else are you spending your gold on anyway? I could be wrong here but I don't think so and the arguments made so far ("you have no idea") are ad hominem at best... agreed that it's going to come to a ?fluffernutter?ing crawl longer term, but that doesn't affect new players immediately. My cynical guess, they'll make this change, then give the ability to work on two or three upgrades at once as a new feature to VIP and convert a bunch of people into a subscription model. You're talking one bot, not taking into account the likelihood of there being possibly 4 weapons that will also need upgrading, not to mention the other bots and weapons in the hangar not moving while the new stuff catches up, and at a point in the players' progression where they need to be leveling up everything as fast as possible. The effect compounds in multiples each successive gear level. The ONLY purpose for this is to entice more people to spend to speed up upgrades, which they will be more likely to do with a garage full of new level 1 gear than not. |
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Post by rags on May 18, 2018 13:30:33 GMT -5
This is hilarious. It's so tone deaf because it will mean the end of anyone being competitive with the whales at all. When people get new stuff, they naturally want to try it out. But I'm not waiting two months to upgrade a Raven or anything for that matter. Thankfully, the Raven isn't one of the best robots. But in the future when new extremely powerful robots and weapons are released, no one will be able to afford to upgrade this stuff except the whales before something better comes along. Thus, eventually all the meta robots and weapons will be unusable at the top by the vast majority of players. This will drive high end players from the game because they don't want to be whale food. The matchmaker will be forced to give the whales increasingly easier competition, and it will just be Pixonic sponsored clubbing. They have zero understanding of human behavior. This is a huge middle finger to the perennial Pixonic defenders who talk about how easy it is to get component stuff without spending money...
I know a lot of people are skeptical that Battle of Titans is going to take over, but remember Battle of Titans is still in beta. In a year from now, it is what we will all be playing. Dude it’s already been like this since they got rid of silver tier |
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Post by ᒪΛᏟIΛ on May 18, 2018 13:39:26 GMT -5
Welp I just blowed 3k gold to orkan and taran upgrades they are 11 now. I'm going to upgrade 3 scourge as well to level 11. Then time comes for another set of tarans. Lastly I'm going to upgrade my main 5 bots to 10 level. I don't think I can achieve it until update tho.
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Post by Cjax on May 18, 2018 13:40:30 GMT -5
The article said any equipment you already had b4 the change stays the same, only newly acquired gear is affected with the longer upgrade times.
My advice, redeem on those comps you were saving for ws 2.0. I wasn't sure I wanted 6 storms or 3 kumis, but I'll take them now with a much shorter upgrade time over anything I get after the change. Just hope I can get another couple things I'm chasing before this goes live.
On a side note, the B.o.T Android beta is really awesome! It's already taking up most of my War Robots time, even with this event going on. It's nice to know even when (not if) pix runs this thing into the ground I'll have something to fall back on!
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