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Post by LEGEND on May 15, 2018 6:01:36 GMT -5
It can be agreed that the best sniper/midranger are either the Fury or the Butch.
Now that I have saved up enough gold to buy one of them, and I would like advice on which one is better overall as a sniper/midranger.
Currently I'm leaning towards the Fury as it can outdamage the Butch with most weapons, except with Trebuchets and Zenits, and has a higher hp as well.
I do know that the Butch has a higher speed, but I don't think that's enough to cover up for the DPM and the hp Butch lacks when compared to the Fury.
Which robot works better for you guys and why?
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Post by brozart on May 15, 2018 6:11:36 GMT -5
Fury works better with most high DpM sniping weapons because your 3 weapon hit at once and reload (in cover) at the same time ...
Butch with this weapons deals dps like a carnage... but twice as long... so 2x the exposure time to enemy fire...
the long Cooldown on quick draw wont work well with the long salvo weapons and medium reload Weapons like Tempest Flux Dragoon...
Normaly i dont think youll survive long enugh in the open in Champions league to empty 2x2 Clips of Tempest
i think the only working setup for a Butch is 4Trebs... ... and 4Trebs still have a terrible DPM compard with 3x Flux/Dragoon/tempest or even zeus
For true mid range around 500m shocktrain /ION Bulgi or Spectre would come in my mind as well but your only talking about the heavy weapon snipers right?
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2018 6:17:19 GMT -5
The Fury is better except with Trebuchets, but I would like to try a Dragoon Tempest Butch: Tempests to destroy other midrangers, Dragoons for everything else.
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Post by optimusprime on May 15, 2018 6:41:33 GMT -5
The Fury is better except with Trebuchets, but I would like to try a Dragoon Tempest Butch: Tempests to destroy other midrangers, Dragoons for everything else. Only trebs are better on Butch,thats 4 weapons in the same time basically,everything else is better on a Fury.I am upgrading my dragoons,i have all 3.Even if i had 4 i would still go with the Fury.When Fury Dragoons gets in trouble,like when Haechi sneaks up,you can defend yourself easily.Fury can brawl with dragoons |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2018 6:56:28 GMT -5
The Fury is better except with Trebuchets, but I would like to try a Dragoon Tempest Butch: Tempests to destroy other midrangers, Dragoons for everything else. Only trebs are better on Butch,thats 4 weapons in the same time basically,everything else is better on a Fury.I am upgrading my dragoons,i have all 3.Even if i had 4 i would still go with the Fury.When Fury Dragoons gets in trouble,like when Haechi sneaks up,you can defend yourself easily.Fury can brawl with dragoons Yep, that's what I said!  |
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Post by LEGEND on May 15, 2018 8:25:19 GMT -5
This barely matters at all, but just for the sake of my own curiosity, does anyone know which of the two bots have a larger chassis/hitbox? I'm basically asking which one of the two bots are larger.
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Post by optimusprime on May 15, 2018 8:32:13 GMT -5
Only trebs are better on Butch,thats 4 weapons in the same time basically,everything else is better on a Fury.I am upgrading my dragoons,i have all 3.Even if i had 4 i would still go with the Fury.When Fury Dragoons gets in trouble,like when Haechi sneaks up,you can defend yourself easily.Fury can brawl with dragoons Yep, that's what I said! Yeah lol,i just confirmed |
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Post by LEGEND on May 15, 2018 8:34:16 GMT -5
This barely matters at all, but just for the sake of my own curiosity, does anyone know which of the two bots have a larger chassis/hitbox? I'm basically asking which one of the two bots are larger. From my knowledge, I would say that the Fury is quite a bit larger and thus has a significantly larger hitbox, but I just want to confirm with the others on the forum... |
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Post by optimusprime on May 15, 2018 8:36:14 GMT -5
This barely matters at all, but just for the sake of my own curiosity, does anyone know which of the two bots have a larger chassis/hitbox? I'm basically asking which one of the two bots are larger. I cant say i am 100% correct,but to me it allways looked like fury is bigger.Butch has those weapons hanging on his back,so it may seem like he is bigger from certain angles and looks like a Quasimodo heheh |
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Post by LEGEND on May 15, 2018 8:44:34 GMT -5
This barely matters at all, but just for the sake of my own curiosity, does anyone know which of the two bots have a larger chassis/hitbox? I'm basically asking which one of the two bots are larger. I cant say i am 100% correct,but to me it allways looked like fury is bigger.Butch has those weapons hanging on his back,so it may seem like he is bigger from certain angles and looks like a Quasimodo heheh Probably, but I don't think those weapons on the back contribute to the size of Butch's hitbox, and even if they did, I would still think that the Fury is considerably larger than the Butch... So most likely, the Fury, as you mentioned, is significantly larger and has the larger hitbox. Could others also check and tell us if this is correct? |
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Post by Paps on May 15, 2018 8:45:46 GMT -5
LR and MR are not the same. Can't really smash them into the same category. Fury is the better mid-ranger, I'd say. Butch for long range.
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Post by optimusprime on May 15, 2018 8:46:12 GMT -5
I cant say i am 100% correct,but to me it allways looked like fury is bigger.Butch has those weapons hanging on his back,so it may seem like he is bigger from certain angles and looks like a Quasimodo heheh Probably, but I don't think those weapons on the back contribute to the size of Butch's hitbox, and even if they did, I would still think that the Fury is considerably larger than the Butch... So most likely, the Fury, as you mentioned, is significantly larger and has the larger hitbox. Could others also check and tell us if this is correct? Yeah i just said that the weapons give the illusion that Butch is bigger from certain angles |
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Post by Paps on May 15, 2018 8:47:18 GMT -5
Referencing the original poster, optimusprime. Didn't mean to give the wrong impression. |
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Post by optimusprime on May 15, 2018 8:50:32 GMT -5
Referencing the original poster, optimusprime. Didn't mean to give the wrong impression. Yeah i know,thats why we clearly said Fury for MR and Butch for LR or sniper as the OP said |
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Post by johnnashpppiii on May 15, 2018 8:57:05 GMT -5
I never owned a fury so I will go for my butch treb It can be agreed that the best sniper/midranger are either the Fury or the Butch. However, I have saved up enough gold to buy one of them, and I would like advice on which one is better overall as a sniper/midranger. Currently I'm leaning towards the Fury as it can outdamage the Butch with most weapons, except with Trebuchets and Zenits. Which robot works better for you guys and why? |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on May 15, 2018 9:26:38 GMT -5
Agree, Butch for Trebs and Zenits (Yes I am seeing them more and more Mk2-ed. They are killing folks too.)
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Fury for MR and Tempests and either of the cannon LR weapons (Nashorn and Kang Dae)
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Post by YearZero on May 15, 2018 9:28:53 GMT -5
Fury works better with most high DpM sniping weapons because your 3 weapon hit at once and reload (in cover) at the same time ... Butch with this weapons deals dps like a carnage... but twice as long... so 2x the exposure time to enemy fire... the long Cooldown on quick draw wont work well with the long salvo weapons and medium reload Weapons like Tempest Flux Dragoon... Normaly i dont think youll survive long enugh in the open in Champions league to empty 2x2 Clips of Tempest i think the only working setup for a Butch is 4Trebs... ... and 4Trebs still have a terrible DPM compard with 3x Flux/Dragoon/tempest or even zeus For true mid range around 500m shocktrain /ION Bulgi or Spectre would come in my mind as well but your only talking about the heavy weapon snipers right? Hard to compare Trebs with Flux/Dragoon/Tempest/Zeus. Trebs are IMO the best true sniping weapon. And because of that I would say Butch is the best true sniper. Flux and tempest are long-range suppression, not sniping. You give away your position very easily. And no target will sit there while you are firing at them, so it's hardly fair to compare DPM against Trebs. Dragoon is outranged by all of these weapons (even though Dragoon is arguably the most useful of all of these weapons) so it's also not comparable. As a side note - I want to see someone run a spectre 4x ballista sniper. |
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Post by brozart on May 15, 2018 9:44:20 GMT -5
Yes its true thous weapons are not the same playstyle and you cant just compare dpm cause M / Champions League player wont give you the time to unloade a full clip
Suppression weapons are not too kill its to block a path, drain shilds and isolating and weaken enemys for your team... with the big magazins you can shut down multible bots on multible corners
Some times a few bullets is enugh to make a bot hide for 20 sec
Trebs as a true sniper weapon will take out priority targets from distance and is abel to always find a sneaky line of sight when your team is enganging to stop there burst dmg and trash them befor they can hide back in cover to reload
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Post by noobcake on May 15, 2018 12:07:29 GMT -5
It can be agreed that the best sniper/midranger are either the Fury or the Butch. However, I have saved up enough gold to buy one of them, and I would like advice on which one is better overall as a sniper/midranger. Currently I'm leaning towards the Fury as it can outdamage the Butch with most weapons, except with Trebuchets and Zenits. Which robot works better for you guys and why? Choose the Fury. It works much better for every setup except Trebuchet. Fury Dragoon is the best followed by the Tempest. The Zeus and Trident are both very playable but not nearly as good. The Flux is quite good and is probably on par with the Tempest. The Butch's best setup is the quad Trebuchet but it is barely playable. It feels extra raw getting your level 9 bot mashed by an mk2 L12 Treb tanker from a bajillion miles away. However, level differences aside, the weapon isn't great. You'll get kills with it, you'll do damage with it, but it puts a lot of pressure on your brawlers to make up for the piss poor dpm. That said, it looks damn cool! |
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Post by LEGEND on May 15, 2018 16:34:58 GMT -5
I do want to know which of the two are better with the meta weapons as well, including Dragoon, Tempest, Flux, and Exodus.
Also include which bot is better with Redeemer and Ember, even though they are close range weapons, as they are viable to use on the Fury of Butch.
Finally, as I mentioned earlier, which of the two bots is bigger/has a bigger hitbox?
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Post by Luk on May 15, 2018 17:35:54 GMT -5
My finger is itching to buy a Butch, just got the 5 k gold needed. Is anyone using Dragoon/Tempest combo on this bot or maybe Trebuchet/Tempest ?
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Post by shivaswrath on May 15, 2018 18:59:47 GMT -5
My finger is itching to buy a Butch, just got the 5 k gold needed. Is anyone using Dragoon/Tempest combo on this bot or maybe Trebuchet/Tempest ? Get the fury. I have a fury and Butch and actually need another fury....too many Zeus' and Tempests! |
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Post by dobby on May 15, 2018 19:44:17 GMT -5
Finally, as I mentioned earlier, which of the two bots is bigger/has a bigger hitbox? There are some anakin test videos on YT, you can deduce from a few of those that the Fury has a slightly larger hit-box, and it’s shape is also more flat and wide so it catches more bullets than Butch. On a side note I think the Fury is a really ugly looking thing, I really dislike it’s Khaki wall-like aesthetics, most of the paint jobs are crap also, that damn Lava theme is childish, the panda one is sort-of okay with redeemers equipped, but that’s not a viable setup in higher leagues. I do like the look of the default Butch though, such a shame no reasonable weapon setups for him atm other than 4xTrebs which I don’t like. |
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Post by noobcake on May 16, 2018 0:04:34 GMT -5
I do want to know which of the two are better with the meta weapons as well, including Dragoon, Tempest, Flux, and Exodus. Also include which bot is better with Redeemer and Ember, even though they are close range weapons, as they are viable to use on the Fury of Butch. Finally, as I mentioned earlier, which of the two bots is bigger/has a bigger hitbox? Fury is much better with everything except trebuchet. It is also probably bigger from most angles. The Fury dominates all ranges mid to long range. Some might argue that the Flux Fury is suppression and that the treb butch is the therefor best sniper. I would argue that the Flux Fury will do similar damage and still have gas in the tank when you factor the time it takes to switch. |
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Post by LEGEND on May 16, 2018 15:15:06 GMT -5
Wouldn't Fury be a better LR as well? Except for Trebuchet or Zenits, which are barely used, the Fury does more DPM with weapons such as Tempest and Flux...
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Post by Neffarious on May 16, 2018 15:30:30 GMT -5
im saving up for my Butch currently and upgrading my trebs while I wait, one level 10 and one 9, other two are still level 1 but I will get them leveled up when I finally get my Butch  |
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Post by LEGEND on May 16, 2018 16:24:58 GMT -5
im saving up for my Butch currently and upgrading my trebs while I wait, one level 10 and one 9, other two are still level 1 but I will get them leveled up when I finally get my Butch Do you have a Fury as well? If not, why are you going for the Butch rather than the Fury? If yes, which in your opinion is better? |
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Post by LEGEND on May 16, 2018 16:27:11 GMT -5
restarted poll as it locked due to expiration. set the poll to be permanent. sorry for the inconvenience, but everyone is going to have to vote again for it to count.
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Post by LEGEND on May 16, 2018 16:41:24 GMT -5
I'm really close to 5000 gold right now, and I need to make the decision quick. Could anyone inform me more about the topic last minute before I make the purchase?
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Post by Maximus on May 16, 2018 17:00:47 GMT -5
I'm really close to 5000 gold right now, and I need to make the decision quick. Could anyone inform me more about the topic last minute before I make the purchase? Fury will work better for every weapon except Treb and Zenit. Fury is used in champ, but Butch isn't. |
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