abracadabra
Destrier
Posts: 73
Karma: 36
Pilot name: Richard Nixon
Platform: Facebook
Clan: Aurora Nova
League: Champion
Server Region: Asia
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Post by abracadabra on Apr 2, 2018 2:20:51 GMT -5
Question for the Facebook Gameroom users To tank or not to tank? The problem is - the percentage of victories. It's 20%! 「whiskey tango foxtrot」?!?! Every time when I lose I'm No1 or 2, then my rank is getting higher So, matchmaking system is pairing me with 12/12 MK2 m...f..rs It's like a spiral staircase. Again and agian To be honest I did tanking in the last "classification round". It works only for a week or less - you're getting the rank Faster-Than-Light ))) 20% victories... What to do? Tanking for every second game? Send an email to Pixonic?
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ziglodyte
GI. Patton
Posts: 147
Karma: 111
Pilot name: Light Legs
Platform: Facebook
Clan: ANgr
League: Master
Server Region: North America
Favorite robot: Gareth
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Post by ziglodyte on Apr 2, 2018 3:39:10 GMT -5
Yo, clanmate. Sorry we haven't had much of a chance to squad together yet. Here's my hangar for reference. Obviously, things aren't much better for me. I dropped out of Champ a little under a month ago and my winrate has usually stayed around 30-something%. A streak of only 20% sounds unusually rough but I can understand that happening even with solid play given the state of the meta and matchmaking on FBGR. Here's my advice: there's a big difference between tanking and managing your league points. Intentionally losing to tank will always be a 「wee-wee」 move because it's unfair to the other people placed on your team. That being said, there's no reason to try and deal the most damage on your team in losses unless you are trying to maintain your present league or rise higher. The only reward you're getting for doing that is a little bit more silver and keys, but not much. So, what I'd say is try to figure out as early on in a match whether the match is actually winnable for your team. If it's not winnable, don't try so hard to maximize your damage. For example, if I sense that a match is unwinnable, I'll then happily send several of my bots on suicide missions with the goal of at least killing a ShockBulg on the other side. When you're thrown against unbeatable full-clan Mk2 squads playing the game on easy mode, you can just play hyper-aggressively and target the most cancerous setup they're running. Playing smarter and maximizing your damage isn't really accomplishing anything for you anyways in those situations. If the match becomes 6 on 3, you don't have to keep dropping in bots just to feed the whales--the match has already been lost. You're also running a hangar clearly geared toward maximizing damage, but it's still not a meta hangar for your league. Consider running a second support setup or a second capper. Then, even in cases where it looks like you can get the win, you can still contribute (and try for capping gold) while minimizing your damage a bit. All that being said though, I'm not sure if it's worth it to drop down if you only drop down a little bit as I have. The matchmaker has only been slightly more kind to me after falling out of Champ. I'm maybe a little more likely to be thrown in with Gold/Diamond/Expert matches, but it's hard to say. The only other advice I can give is, if you have any control over the time of day/which days of the week you play, try to experiment with that because it can make a huge difference. If you figure out that you're seeing lots of whale pods at a particular time of day, try to avoid that time and you should be able to have a somewhat better experience.
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abracadabra
Destrier
Posts: 73
Karma: 36
Pilot name: Richard Nixon
Platform: Facebook
Clan: Aurora Nova
League: Champion
Server Region: Asia
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Post by abracadabra on Apr 2, 2018 4:21:02 GMT -5
Thanks for your reply, Light Legs Informative and practical
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Post by snk on Apr 2, 2018 5:46:50 GMT -5
I am not sure you need to tank in FBGR, I am always paired with Gold or Diamond League even in Champions League.
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ziglodyte
GI. Patton
Posts: 147
Karma: 111
Pilot name: Light Legs
Platform: Facebook
Clan: ANgr
League: Master
Server Region: North America
Favorite robot: Gareth
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Post by ziglodyte on Apr 2, 2018 5:49:52 GMT -5
Also, have you looked into 6-pack/Hangar X leagues yet? I've been trying to get into both, but there have been issues getting enough people together, especially on FBGR. I'm not planning on upgrading my primary hangar above 9 anytime soon and instead focusing on putting together a solid 6-pack hangar. Last I heard on Discord there was still only one firm 6-pack team going for FBGR and we were still struggling to put together a second one, so we could use you and anyone else.
Having to schedule custom matches is inconvenient, but it's gotta be worth it to get in on some truly balanced gameplay.
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Post by hyderier on Apr 2, 2018 5:51:53 GMT -5
No point to tank at FBGR. Things will probably swing around soon.
If not... Sounds like a glitch in the brilliant skewed MM Pix has come up with. In that case, try stuff. Frirst get your league score up to 5100 or so, then play a chain of KotH (I would try to stay at Champs for supply drops), with that hangar it should result in some bad placements in battle results, and maybe get you out of the glitched state.
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Post by Loganspawn on Apr 2, 2018 9:50:26 GMT -5
If you run Solo expect wild rides. My win rate constantly goes from over 70% wins to 30% back and forth and has for over 10,000 games but Pixonic swears to me MM is completely random HAHAHAHAHAHAH
Just play what you want and try to have fun do not worry about anything else. Win rates mean what? Nothing if the game is rigged.
All the stats are pretty much worthless and only exist to make people feel they need to keep spending IMO.
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Post by Replicant on Apr 2, 2018 16:59:29 GMT -5
I haven't had much luck finding a Clan on FBGR, but MM change in January absolutely had a disruptive effect. I started at Champion and over the course of a month have been pushed down to the border of Expert 2 and Expert 3. The basic problem is that with a short range hanger, your damage statistic is heavily dependent on your opponents. An Mk2 Component hanger opponent is going to limit your damage output whereas your same hanger vs. more reasonable opponents will post much higher stats. The oscillations in damage placement play havoc with the league system. Mid/Long range hangers tend to do lower average damage with less variability. At 20-30% win rates, you have to be consistently placing in the top half to avoid moving down in League Score. At first blush, it looks like you're either getting paired with weak team-mates, or you're prioritizing damage over objectives (or both). FWIW, it took over a month for my MM to settle out. I went from a 70% win rate pre-January '17 to a sub 50% win rate. The matches are only now becoming more reasonable. Kumi: 6/6 Fujin: 9/9/9 Carnage: 6/6 Rhino: 6/6/6/6 Raijin: 12/9 Ancile
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Post by hyderier on Apr 2, 2018 17:54:55 GMT -5
I haven't had much luck finding a Clan on FBGR, but MM change in January absolutely had a disruptive effect. I started at Champion and over the course of a month have been pushed down to the border of Expert 2 and Expert 3. The basic problem is that with a short range hanger, your damage statistic is heavily dependent on your opponents. An Mk2 Component hanger opponent is going to limit your damage output whereas your same hanger vs. more reasonable opponents will post much higher stats. The oscillations in damage placement play havoc with the league system. Mid/Long range hangers tend to do lower average damage with less variability. At 20-30% win rates, you have to be consistently placing in the top half to avoid moving down in League Score. At first blush, it looks like you're either getting paired with weak team-mates, or you're prioritizing damage over objectives (or both). FWIW, it took over a month for my MM to settle out. I went from a 70% win rate pre-January '17 to a sub 50% win rate. The matches are only now becoming more reasonable. Kumi: 6/6 Fujin: 9/9/9 Carnage: 6/6 Rhino: 6/6/6/6 Raijin: 12/9 Ancile Interesting, that being pushed down from Champions... And all the way down to Expert?! It's interesting, because I have been expecting it to happen to me! But so far I've steadily gained league points through seasons since... I think it was November when I got to Champs. Here's my hangar from Decemnber, very close to what got me to Champs I think, just some stuff a bit higher in levels, and that was an experimental Rhino, I normally used Punishers: And here's my hangar now: I have to say I really like playing solo in the low Champs, so you might want to try and up that damage... My average is a tad over 500k, so that should be the level which should get you to low Champs easily.
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Post by Replicant on Apr 2, 2018 19:45:39 GMT -5
I haven't had much luck finding a Clan on FBGR, ... FWIW, it took over a month for my MM to settle out. I went from a 70% win rate pre-January '17 to a sub 50% win rate. The matches are only now becoming more reasonable. Kumi: 6/6, Fujin: 9/9/9, Carnage: 6/6, Rhino: 6/6/6/6, Raijin: 12/9 Ancile Interesting, that being pushed down from Champions... And all the way down to Expert?! It's interesting, because I have been expecting it to happen to me! But so far I've steadily gained league points through seasons since... I think it was November when I got to Champs. Here's my hangar from Decemnber, very close to what got me to Champs I think, just some stuff a bit higher in levels, and that was an experimental Rhino, I normally used Punishers: And here's my hangar now: I have to say I really like playing solo in the low Champs, so you might want to try and up that damage... My average is a tad over 500k, so that should be the level which should get you to low Champs easily. Its all about the damage. My potential damage is quite a bit lower than yours. Treat the single 12 Zeus on the Raijn as two 6's and I'm running 13 hardpoints vs. your 14, with a 4 point level differential. I touched on this in another thread, but League movement is far more impacted by damage than any other factor (including win/loss). I'm hesitant to upgrade weapons at this point because I'm basically getting good matches again and until I have the resources to get some component gear I'm not sure that upgrading the existing would be long-term useful or result in better games. For reference, my December hanger subbed the Haechi (which I did not have) for a Leo, Griffin, or Garry depending on the objective, The Fujin ran with Punishers, and all weapons were level 6.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2018 22:25:59 GMT -5
Question for the Facebook Gameroom users To tank or not to tank? The problem is - the percentage of victories. It's 20%! 「whiskey tango foxtrot」?!?! Holy smokes, you have what I'd consider decent hangar for expert league and you get 20% win rate? That's rough, I feel for you. On Amazon platform instead of tanking I'd play less games but I'm not sure if it's a solution for you.
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