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Post by hyderier on Apr 1, 2018 1:55:41 GMT -5
Now I play at FBGR, so no ads, and this is what my component storage looks like:  I'm sure many of you have even more. The thing I am collecting currently is Shocktrain, everything else is just along for the ride. There's of course more stuff below, at triple digit component counts, so I left them out. I think this situation presents a problem for Pix... What are players going to do with their stored stuff? I think this creates a situation for many players where they don't feel like spending money, because they already have all this stuff lying around. There was a period when player stockpiles of WSP and Au were not useful at all, until the component Au and WSP offers appeared. Players weren't exactly happy with their past grinding made irrelevant. Now what is Pix going to do with this situation? If they release Workshop 2.0 as anything except a joke, suddenly a lot of players are going to get these Dashes etc (I actually think Workshop 2.0 is still not released, because they need a way to make it essentially useless for utilizing stockpiles like this, and they're not sure how). My prediction is, they are hoping to cash in with upgrades. The reduction of silver was just a first step. Next they are probably going to make upgrading require components too (of course that will be "balanced" by upgrades needing just slightly less Ag...), or something like that. Another possibility is to add base building to the game, so you can store only as many components etc, as you have storage space for... Oh please, no, not this... What else could they do? Or am I just imagining a problem where Pix has none? |
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Post by Anon O. Mous on Apr 1, 2018 2:20:43 GMT -5
Something was suggested in another string somewhere on the forum that what is holding up Workshop 2.0 is the redemption value of each weapon's components. 10,000 Storm components are not as valuable as 10,000 Haechi components. It will be extremely difficult to set up an exchange system for all the differently valued components.
IMHO Pissoffic really put their foot in it when they came up with the component system, and they don't know how to get out of it.
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Post by hyderier on Apr 1, 2018 2:31:55 GMT -5
Something was suggested in another string somewhere on the forum that what is holding up Workshop 2.0 is the redemption value of each weapon's components. 10,000 Storm components are not as valuable as 10,000 Haechi components. It will be extremely difficult to set up an exchange system for all the differently valued components. IMHO Pissoffic really put their foot in it when they came up with the component system, and they don't know how to get out of it. There's straightforward conversion from the real money prize. Example: Gust components are 7.34 € / 10000 components. Haechi components are 81.56 € / 4500 components = 181.24 € / 10000 components --------------- 181.34 / 7.34 = 24.56 So direct exchange rate would be, 24.56 Gust components give you 1 Haechi components, or 240556 Gust components give you Haechi. But I doubt it will be this good. Expect to need half a million Gust components for Haechi, at least, if such an exchange is ever possible at all. |
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Post by T34 on Apr 1, 2018 2:32:13 GMT -5
Dont worry about it. I am sure they will figure out how to nullify most of the value of stockpiled components  my stockpile is huge. Not because I am holding my breath for ws2.0 but because there is not much I can do with the saved components. Have no need for 8 storms, 7 shocktrains and stuff. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2018 2:38:50 GMT -5
As Anon said. I think Pix really don't know what they're going to do with WSP2.0. We do get a lot of unwanted components along with the components we do want. Gust / Kumiho / Arbalest / Storm / Hover on and on for junk taking up space. It's quite telling that they rarely give any detail, considering they're supposed to be working on it, about exchange rates, costs or what component will be available. "pilots will be able to create components for equipment they need" Notice it says equipment, does that mean robots, weapons and the upcoming modules, or only ones they choose to be in the workshop. They do have a habit of presenting one thing, then doing another - example, reducing currencies - each component type is a separate currency even if they all get 'components' as the name, and we still have all the old currencies.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2018 4:32:46 GMT -5
This is what happens when you have way too many currencies: most of them become useless after a few months. The component system is not sustainable in the long term, and the in-game economy will collapse if they don't change something. In my opinion, a simple converter like they announced would help a lot, even with an unfair rate of conversion: in this way, every currency can be used to obtain or upgrade desired items (WSP for daily deals, Gold for WSP/MK2/Paintjobs/Speed up upgrades, Silver for upgrades, unwanted components for exchanges), with none of them being useless.
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Post by Cjax on Apr 1, 2018 7:23:34 GMT -5
This is what happens when you have way too many currencies: most of them become useless after a few months. The component system is not sustainable in the long term, and the in-game economy will collapse if they don't change something. In my opinion, a simple converter like they announced would help a lot, even with an unfair rate of conversion: in this way, every currency can be used to obtain or upgrade desired items (WSP for daily deals, Gold for WSP/MK2/Paintjobs/Speed up upgrades, Silver for upgrades, unwanted components for exchanges), with none of them being useless. None useless except IP. I've been collecting it since day 1 that it's been out. Maybe missed 20 days total, so 600 points. I even got 600 from a alt account in the beginning. I'm still nowhere near a butch. I'm hoping I'll get it in a chest so I can stop sending the invites, but I probably still got about 9 months to go. That, my friends, is ridiculous. |
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Post by ★๖ۣۜƊสʀkᴡʀⱥiτh★ on Apr 1, 2018 8:29:04 GMT -5
This is what happens when you have way too many currencies: most of them become useless after a few months. The component system is not sustainable in the long term, and the in-game economy will collapse if they don't change something. In my opinion, a simple converter like they announced would help a lot, even with an unfair rate of conversion: in this way, every currency can be used to obtain or upgrade desired items (WSP for daily deals, Gold for WSP/MK2/Paintjobs/Speed up upgrades, Silver for upgrades, unwanted components for exchanges), with none of them being useless. None useless except IP. I've been collecting it since day 1 that it's been out. Maybe missed 20 days total, so 600 points. I even got 600 from a alt account in the beginning. I'm still nowhere near a butch. I'm hoping I'll get it in a chest so I can stop sending the invites, but I probably still got about 9 months to go. That, my friends, is ridiculous. Everyone who got butch, doc and jesse via IP, got them from dummies on facebook, they cost too much for nothing and they need WAY too many friends. It's not even against the rules, their robberies are. |
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Post by AcuityAxiom on Apr 1, 2018 9:11:27 GMT -5
This is what happens when you have way too many currencies: most of them become useless after a few months. The component system is not sustainable in the long term, and the in-game economy will collapse if they don't change something. In my opinion, a simple converter like they announced would help a lot, even with an unfair rate of conversion: in this way, every currency can be used to obtain or upgrade desired items (WSP for daily deals, Gold for WSP/MK2/Paintjobs/Speed up upgrades, Silver for upgrades, unwanted components for exchanges), with none of them being useless. None useless except IP. I've been collecting it since day 1 that it's been out. Maybe missed 20 days total, so 600 points. I even got 600 from a alt account in the beginning. I'm still nowhere near a butch. I'm hoping I'll get it in a chest so I can stop sending the invites, but I probably still got about 9 months to go. That, my friends, is ridiculous. Yeah, i never bothered with IP, i just managed to win all of my Gunslingers from chests, i don't use them that often but i'm a collector, so they're welcome in my garage, i wish they did something interesting with IP though, like being able to convert IP points towards different factions or something, there's already the USA bots, so why not put other new-age nation bots in there? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2018 9:42:27 GMT -5
What are players going to do with their stored stuff? I think this creates a situation for many players where they don't feel like spending money, because they already have all this stuff lying around. Notice that it's really not pixonic's problem but yours, ours, players'. Pixonic will just introduce new weapons, new bots and you'll have to start saving/spending again because old ones will be obsolete. The part where they are paiting themselves in the corner is what I call paid/grind vs. non-paid/ new player spread. Constantly releasing more powerful stuff means new players cannot really compete without spending a lot of money. Now I'm sure some will spend but others will get discouraged and leave. And whales need somebody to beat up on, so they'll leave too. That's why Pixonic is trying to bridge that gap by giving stuff away like Kumiho's, Inqui and other parts. We'll see how well that works. |
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Post by CrownBlack on Apr 1, 2018 9:43:22 GMT -5
Dont worry about it. I am sure they will figure out how to nullify most of the value of stockpiled components my stockpile is huge. Not because I am holding my breath for ws2.0 but because there is not much I can do with the saved components. Have no need for 8 storms, 7 shocktrains and stuff. So so true..we all saved Au for the release of the dashes and looked what happened there. This workshop will be no different. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2018 9:58:12 GMT -5
As it has been already stated number of times, making profits is number one through ten for Pixonic and balanced gameplay falls somewhere after that. So they'll keep introducing weapons, bots and do all sort of tweaks that won't really address core issues. And when this whole mess becomes to hard to manage they'll wrap it up and introduce War Robots 2 and start all over.
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Post by hi5 on Apr 1, 2018 10:18:01 GMT -5
I have no expectation WS 2.0 will allow conversion of one component type to another, no matter what has been officially said by Pix.FU.
We all expected this with WSP and components and we got the special offers that paired desireable components with something else. They’ll do something, but not what we’re expecting.
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Post by mechtout on Apr 1, 2018 12:03:35 GMT -5
I predict Workshop 2.0 will give you the same value trade as when you sell your items for silver. no way we get actual value in relation to another item.
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Post by Anon O. Mous on Apr 1, 2018 14:03:38 GMT -5
Simple enough for me. I'm just suggesting that Pissoffic might see things differently. At least that was the reason given by the person explaining the possible reasons for the delay.
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Post by Replicant on Apr 1, 2018 14:32:23 GMT -5
hyderier right now there's really no strong incentive for them to release Workshop 2.0. If you're willing to spend money, you can buy component gear directly. If not you fall back on Workshop points and daily offers. If you want to accelerate acquisition, you supplement with Au either via purchasing WSP, Au daily deals, or Ag for upgrades. The current currency model only gets worse if the number of deals that offer what you want dips below the amount of WSP you have available to spend. That's solvable by increasing the number of offers so that each component continues to be available 3-4 times a week. There's still a lot of slack in their system for more component gear. Note: I am not saying this is a "good" system. 25 weeks of 2-hour a day play or $300 is a ridiculous price-tag for a Haechi
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Post by moses on Apr 1, 2018 14:39:40 GMT -5
Something was suggested in another string somewhere on the forum that what is holding up Workshop 2.0 is the redemption value of each weapon's components. 10,000 Storm components are not as valuable as 10,000 Haechi components. It will be extremely difficult to set up an exchange system for all the differently valued components. IMHO Pissoffic really put their foot in it when they came up with the component system, and they don't know how to get out of it. There's straightforward conversion from the real money prize. Example: Gust components are 7.34 € / 10000 components. Haechi components are 81.56 € / 4500 components = 181.24 € / 10000 components --------------- 181.34 / 7.34 = 24.56 So direct exchange rate would be, 24.56 Gust components give you 1 Haechi components, or 240556 Gust components give you Haechi. But I doubt it will be this good. Expect to need half a million Gust components for Haechi, at least, if such an exchange is ever possible at all. Potentially even easier is the silver conversion rate for each component (when you sell it) as this is already there in the game and does not run into the potential issue that the offers are priced differently in different currencies. |
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Post by dom0aragato on Apr 1, 2018 20:32:18 GMT -5
Find myself spending more now that they’re being generous with the components. If they’ll give me an inquisitor I’ll gladly buy some gold to hurry up and get an ember etc. Bought orkans for all five Kumis the kids and I got. I wouldn’t have bought them for a Griffin or rhino. Will probably buy the last few components for my Dragoon going to since I’m sick of waiting. I’ll spend 20 bucks but I won’t spend 100 on a weapon. Pix has been much more generous and that makes me want to support them.
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Post by inspirace on Apr 1, 2018 20:44:37 GMT -5
They can start with adding a button to sell 100 components at a time ...
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Post by Danny Linguini on Apr 1, 2018 21:01:45 GMT -5
Find myself spending more now that they’re being generous with the components. If they’ll give me an inquisitor I’ll gladly buy some gold to hurry up and get an ember etc. Bought orkans for all five Kumis the kids and I got. I wouldn’t have bought them for a Griffin or rhino. Will probably buy the last few components for my Dragoon going to since I’m sick of waiting. I’ll spend 20 bucks but I won’t spend 100 on a weapon. Pix has been much more generous and that makes me want to support them. You say they're being generous, I say you're playing right to their hand. If you're not going to blow hundreds outright on a bot or weapon, they're going to dangle that carrot a little closer by giving you enough that you'll do the next best thing and spend something to make up the difference. You're doing exactly what they want you to do, what the game is designed to entice you to do. |
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Post by leavemealone on Apr 1, 2018 21:07:22 GMT -5
They can start with adding a button to sell 100 components at a time ... or how about allow us to punch in the numbers for ourselves. Another chance over choice. Do Russia get treated that way in their culture chance over choices? Is that what Pixsonic is doing, wanting us to be drag along for the ride. They don't they give us the choice to how much we want to sell the components here we have sit there and tap the + as fast as we can to see who has the fastest finger in the world here |
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Post by FlashAhAhh on Apr 1, 2018 21:19:09 GMT -5
A lot of people assuming weapon components will be swapable for bot components.. this is HIGHLY unlikely.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Apr 2, 2018 4:31:07 GMT -5
Go back to just gold and silver, FFS. Price new gear at outrageously high amounts of gold if they must -- people will still pay for it. And quit jerking us around with 8000 different currencies for the sole purpose of confusing people into buying more of something than they need to.
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Post by dom0aragato on Apr 2, 2018 7:37:22 GMT -5
Find myself spending more now that they’re being generous with the components. If they’ll give me an inquisitor I’ll gladly buy some gold to hurry up and get an ember etc. Bought orkans for all five Kumis the kids and I got. I wouldn’t have bought them for a Griffin or rhino. Will probably buy the last few components for my Dragoon going to since I’m sick of waiting. I’ll spend 20 bucks but I won’t spend 100 on a weapon. Pix has been much more generous and that makes me want to support them. You say they're being generous, I say you're playing right to their hand. If you're not going to blow hundreds outright on a bot or weapon, they're going to dangle that carrot a little closer by giving you enough that you'll do the next best thing and spend something to make up the difference. You're doing exactly what they want you to do, what the game is designed to entice you to do. I enjoy the game and it's worth it to me. Many items that were unattainable are now within reach. I like that. |
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Post by leavemealone on Apr 2, 2018 7:44:30 GMT -5
You say they're being generous, I say you're playing right to their hand. If you're not going to blow hundreds outright on a bot or weapon, they're going to dangle that carrot a little closer by giving you enough that you'll do the next best thing and spend something to make up the difference. You're doing exactly what they want you to do, what the game is designed to entice you to do. I enjoy the game and it's worth it to me. Many items that were unattainable are now within reach. I like that. you're just naive as many others on this game. if you went out and gambled and won a car as your prize and received 1/3 of that (only you'll receive the seat , the wheels and the axle and the rest is not included), is that generous to you? |
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Post by leavemealone on Apr 2, 2018 7:59:53 GMT -5
Find myself spending more now that they’re being generous with the components. If they’ll give me an inquisitor I’ll gladly buy some gold to hurry up and get an ember etc. Bought orkans for all five Kumis the kids and I got. I wouldn’t have bought them for a Griffin or rhino. Will probably buy the last few components for my Dragoon going to since I’m sick of waiting. I’ll spend 20 bucks but I won’t spend 100 on a weapon. Pix has been much more generous and that makes me want to support them. You say they're being generous, I say you're playing right to their hand. If you're not going to blow hundreds outright on a bot or weapon, they're going to dangle that carrot a little closer by giving you enough that you'll do the next best thing and spend something to make up the difference. You're doing exactly what they want you to do, what the game is designed to entice you to do. this is exactly the type of bait pix <3 it's their favorite one. What do you think the royale is designed for? to lure people like dom0aragato and burn their pile of stash when they don't see it coming until it's too late. |
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Post by BooBooKitty on Apr 2, 2018 14:12:46 GMT -5
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Post by Danny Linguini on Apr 2, 2018 14:29:28 GMT -5
You say they're being generous, I say you're playing right to their hand. If you're not going to blow hundreds outright on a bot or weapon, they're going to dangle that carrot a little closer by giving you enough that you'll do the next best thing and spend something to make up the difference. You're doing exactly what they want you to do, what the game is designed to entice you to do. I enjoy the game and it's worth it to me. Many items that were unattainable are now within reach. I like that. Well, that's all that really matters. |
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Post by Replicant on Apr 2, 2018 14:46:06 GMT -5
There's straightforward conversion from the real money prize. Example: Gust components are 7.34 € / 10000 components. Haechi components are 81.56 € / 4500 components = 181.24 € / 10000 components --------------- 181.34 / 7.34 = 24.56 So direct exchange rate would be, 24.56 Gust components give you 1 Haechi components, or 240556 Gust components give you Haechi. But I doubt it will be this good. Expect to need half a million Gust components for Haechi, at least, if such an exchange is ever possible at all. Potentially even easier is the silver conversion rate for each component (when you sell it) as this is already there in the game and does not run into the potential issue that the offers are priced differently in different currencies. Plug the daily deals into a matrix, and the results are indeterminate. There is no unified exchange rate. |
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Post by hyderier on Apr 2, 2018 16:41:20 GMT -5
Potentially even easier is the silver conversion rate for each component (when you sell it) as this is already there in the game and does not run into the potential issue that the offers are priced differently in different currencies. Plug the daily deals into a matrix, and the results are indeterminate. There is no unified exchange rate. I think the daily deal "original price" values were just pulled out of someones 「bum-bum」, if that's what you are referring to. The silver conversion ratio is universal and fixed for each component type, and is actually a number that exists in the game code already. |
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my stockpile is huge. Not because I am holding my breath for ws2.0 but because there is not much I can do with the saved components. Have no need for 8 storms, 7 shocktrains and stuff. 
