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Post by RedRaider on Mar 31, 2018 23:24:01 GMT -5
Not yet but I am surprised there isnt.
I mean really, a company sells you a product that is advertised with certain properties and abilities.
Next thing you know they are modifying it so its performance is less than what you paid for.
How is this not fraud? Bait and Switch?
You buy a shocktrain and then they nerf it.
You buy an ION and next thing you know they nerf it too
How many weapons have been paid for with RM and Pix decides to nerf them?
This is not what was paid for! Pix has a choice, face a class action law suit or refund everyone who bought a weapon or platform that has been nerfed.
This is not rocket science. why has this not happened yet?
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Post by Radar love on Mar 31, 2018 23:30:27 GMT -5
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Post by Replicant on Mar 31, 2018 23:57:15 GMT -5
Small changes they can get away with. Eliminating items without in-game compensation would be harder. If they sell you in game stuff on Monday and then delete it on Tuesday, that contract isn't going to be very enforceable. Plus, you don't have to read or agree to it in order to buy items. They just assume your acceptance... way to easy to claim ignorance and make a reasonableness argument. Most U.S. states have consumer protection laws that give consumers a great deal of power to the consumer where a credit card transaction is involved.
The safer route (for Pixonic) would be to release new content at significantly higher prices that obsoleted the old content. Much less legal exposure there. But why would they do that?
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Post by Strayed on Apr 1, 2018 0:54:15 GMT -5
You're buying the currency that is used to acquire the bot/weap or you're buying the bot/weap itself, not its stats. Nerfing RM purchasable content in video games has always been legal, just look at LoL.
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Post by 2die on Apr 1, 2018 0:58:49 GMT -5
That same as phone manafactures send you updates that make your older phones slower..
They get away with it and the reason they do it is because they want you to buy something newer and better.
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Post by northempire on Apr 1, 2018 1:01:54 GMT -5
You're buying the currency that is used to acquire the bot/weap or you're buying the bot/weap itself, not its stats. Nerfing RM purchasable content in video games has always been legal, just look at LoL. This is section 5(five), paragraph 3(three) of Pix's Eula. "Pixonic may manage, regulate, control, modify or eliminate In-Service Content and/or Merchandise at any time, with or without notice. Pixonic shall have no liability to you or any third party in the event that Pixonic exercises any such rights." an excerpt from pixonic.com/en/?termsIt seems its best to challenge this eula at google first because it violates consumer rights. |
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Post by northempire on Apr 1, 2018 1:10:19 GMT -5
You're buying the currency that is used to acquire the bot/weap or you're buying the bot/weap itself, not its stats. Nerfing RM purchasable content in video games has always been legal, just look at LoL. This is section 5(five), paragraph 3(three) of Pix's Eula. "Pixonic may manage, regulate, control, modify or eliminate In-Service Content and/or Merchandise at any time, with or without notice. Pixonic shall have no liability to you or any third party in the event that Pixonic exercises any such rights." an excerpt from pixonic.com/en/?termsIt seems its best to challenge this eula at google first because it violates consumer rights. The same goes for fb gameroom users. The above mentioned quoted paragraph is a questionable clause due to it not being "fair" on the side of the consumer. If people think they were given an "unfair" purchase or their right as consumer is violated... Its best to inform your local and international commission for consumer rights. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2018 7:55:41 GMT -5
You have good points. But Pixonic makes adjustment based to what the game community gives as opinion plus they want a good balanced game.
Thing i dont understand yet but this will be the case in the future, Orkans (300M)r medium weapons and its more powerfull to (almost) all heavy weapons. When its fired and you are at 350-400metres (behind wall and walk away from all bullets) you can be damaged. Damn? Even MK2 lvl12 bots should watch out. The Orkans makes no sense to me when you compare it with the rest of the weapons. A few spectres/haici MK 2 lvl12 (weapons/bot) alone can wipe out an entire peleton.My point: most medium and heavy weapons vs Orkan in the game r not relevant and that should be adjusted.
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Post by noobcake on Apr 2, 2018 13:43:47 GMT -5
Not yet but I am surprised there isnt. I mean really, a company sells you a product that is advertised with certain properties and abilities. Next thing you know they are modifying it so its performance is less than what you paid for. How is this not fraud? Bait and Switch? You buy a shocktrain and then they nerf it. You buy an ION and next thing you know they nerf it too How many weapons have been paid for with RM and Pix decides to nerf them? This is not what was paid for! Pix has a choice, face a class action law suit or refund everyone who bought a weapon or platform that has been nerfed. This is not rocket science. why has this not happened yet? Nerfs and tweaks wouldn't really lead to any legal action as others have mentioned. The part that surprises me is that there is no legal repercussion for the unlicensed gambling and the gross and deliberate misrepresentation of the odds in mini-games. The blackmarket spinner, non-linear super chest indicator, and the various iterations of the War Robots Royale games (especially the card flip game) for example. |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Apr 2, 2018 14:19:15 GMT -5
You have good points. But Pixonic makes adjustment based to what the game community gives as opinion plus they want a good balanced game. Thing i dont understand yet but this will be the case in the future, Orkans (300M)r medium weapons and its more powerfull to (almost) all heavy weapons. When its fired and you are at 350-400metres (behind wall and walk away from all bullets) you can be damaged. Damn? Even MK2 lvl12 bots should watch out. The Orkans makes no sense to me when you compare it with the rest of the weapons. A few spectres/haici MK 2 lvl12 (weapons/bot) alone can wipe out an entire peleton.My point: most medium and heavy weapons vs Orkan in the game r not relevant and that should be adjusted. I don't want to follow this derailment too far down the rabbit hole, but I did want to address some of the 2nd part of your post: What did you mean by this statement: ? Orkans don't have more than 10m of splash... at most. In fact, it may be as little as 5m, I can't remember. So, no, you will not be damaged at 350 or 400 m if someone shoots them at you when you are that far away. 310 is the very edge of the danger zone. (Kenny Loggins reference FTW!) Tulus have bigger splash, and they are just 15-20m. So they can theoretically (depending on where the target is in relation to your vertical location as weapons will only shoot straight ahead if the target is outside of their range) be used at 510 or 520m instead of just 500. Even that isn't the + 50 to +100m you are referring to. I think you may just have a different perspective, but I can say with a surety that both Tarans (when not bugged) and Scourges are just as good as Orks in their own way. Hell, on one account I would rather run Punishers than Orks on most builds. I switch up a lot, but I would rather run my 4 Ork Doc and leave my griffs/Rogs/whatever to Plasma and Puns. And I am talking level 10 weapons in Expert/Master level play. Just wondering what may have caused your post? IMO, YMMV |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2018 14:32:29 GMT -5
You have good points. But Pixonic makes adjustment based to what the game community gives as opinion plus they want a good balanced game. Thing i dont understand yet but this will be the case in the future, Orkans (300M)r medium weapons and its more powerfull to (almost) all heavy weapons. When its fired and you are at 350-400metres (behind wall and walk away from all bullets) you can be damaged. Damn? Even MK2 lvl12 bots should watch out. The Orkans makes no sense to me when you compare it with the rest of the weapons. A few spectres/haici MK 2 lvl12 (weapons/bot) alone can wipe out an entire peleton.My point: most medium and heavy weapons vs Orkan in the game r not relevant and that should be adjusted. I don't want to follow this derailment too far down the rabbit hole, but I did want to address some of the 2nd part of your post: What did you mean by this statement: ? Orkans don't have more than 10m of splash... at most. In fact, it may be as little as 5m, I can't remember. So, no, you will not be damaged at 350 or 400 m if someone shoots them at you when you are that far away. 310 is the very edge of the danger zone. (Kenny Loggins reference FTW!) Tulus have bigger splash, and they are just 15-20m. So they can theoretically (depending on where the target is in relation to your vertical location as weapons will only shoot straight ahead if the target is outside of their range) be used at 510 or 520m instead of just 500. Even that isn't the + 50 to +100m you are referring to. I think you may just have a different perspective, but I can say with a surety that both Tarans (when not bugged) and Scourges are just as good as Orks in their own way. Hell, on one account I would rather run Punishers than Orks on most builds. I switch up a lot, but I would rather run my 4 Ork Doc and leave my griffs/Rogs/whatever to Plasma and Puns. And I am talking level 10 weapons in Expert/Master level play. Just wondering what may have caused your post? IMO, YMMV You should check what the opinion is of the game community about Orkans vs the rest of the weapons. Orkans damage power should be reduced plain simple. Iam btw on Android dont know if this is the same on diffr OS but ive been nailed many times by Orkans while standin on 350m and behind a wall plus runnin away but still i see damage. tarrans(in 3.7.1 with a lot probs, a lot damage you cause arent registerd)/punishers (needs 25% more power) etc. plus a lot heavy weapons r nothin compared to orkans. |
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Post by Replicant on Apr 2, 2018 14:33:12 GMT -5
You have good points. But Pixonic makes adjustment based to what the game community gives as opinion plus they want a good balanced game. Thing i dont understand yet but this will be the case in the future, Orkans (300M)r medium weapons and its more powerfull to (almost) all heavy weapons. When its fired and you are at 350-400metres (behind wall and walk away from all bullets) you can be damaged. Damn? Even MK2 lvl12 bots should watch out. The Orkans makes no sense to me when you compare it with the rest of the weapons. A few spectres/haici MK 2 lvl12 (weapons/bot) alone can wipe out an entire peleton.My point: most medium and heavy weapons vs Orkan in the game r not relevant and that should be adjusted. I don't want to follow this derailment too far down the rabbit hole, but I did want to address some of the 2nd part of your post: What did you mean by this statement: ? Orkans don't have more than 10m of splash... at most. In fact, it may be as little as 5m, I can't remember. So, no, you will not be damaged at 350 or 400 m if someone shoots them at you when you are that far away. 310 is the very edge of the danger zone. (Kenny Loggins reference FTW!) Tulus have bigger splash, and they are just 15-20m. So they can theoretically (depending on where the target is in relation to your vertical location as weapons will only shoot straight ahead if the target is outside of their range) be used at 510 or 520m instead of just 500. Even that isn't the + 50 to +100m you are referring to. I think you may just have a different perspective, but I can say with a surety that both Tarans (when not bugged) and Scourges are just as good as Orks in their own way. Hell, on one account I would rather run Punishers than Orks on most builds. I switch up a lot, but I would rather run my 4 Ork Doc and leave my griffs/Rogs/whatever to Plasma and Puns. And I am talking level 10 weapons in Expert/Master level play. Just wondering what may have caused your post? IMO, YMMV An extra $0.02, Lag can screw with maximum range. I've absolutely been hit by rockets 50ish meters beyond their stated max range. I've also seen it take an extra second or two for Zeus bolts to register damage. ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 is right though. |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Apr 2, 2018 14:47:41 GMT -5
I don't want to follow this derailment too far down the rabbit hole, but I did want to address some of the 2nd part of your post: What did you mean by this statement: ? Orkans don't have more than 10m of splash... at most. In fact, it may be as little as 5m, I can't remember. So, no, you will not be damaged at 350 or 400 m if someone shoots them at you when you are that far away. 310 is the very edge of the danger zone. (Kenny Loggins reference FTW!) Tulus have bigger splash, and they are just 15-20m. So they can theoretically (depending on where the target is in relation to your vertical location as weapons will only shoot straight ahead if the target is outside of their range) be used at 510 or 520m instead of just 500. Even that isn't the + 50 to +100m you are referring to. I think you may just have a different perspective, but I can say with a surety that both Tarans (when not bugged) and Scourges are just as good as Orks in their own way. Hell, on one account I would rather run Punishers than Orks on most builds. I switch up a lot, but I would rather run my 4 Ork Doc and leave my griffs/Rogs/whatever to Plasma and Puns. And I am talking level 10 weapons in Expert/Master level play. Just wondering what may have caused your post? IMO, YMMV You should check what the opinion is of the game community about Orkans vs the rest of the weapons. Orkans damage power should be reduced plain simple. Iam btw on Android dont know if this is the same on diffr OS but ive been nailed many times by Orkans while standin on 350m and behind a wall plus runnin away but still i see damage. tarrans(in 3.7.1 with a lot probs, a lot damage you cause arent registerd)/punishers (needs 25% more power) etc. plus a lot heavy weapons r nothin compared to orkans. Ok... totally disagree... but Ok. |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Apr 2, 2018 14:49:58 GMT -5
I don't want to follow this derailment too far down the rabbit hole, but I did want to address some of the 2nd part of your post: What did you mean by this statement: ? Orkans don't have more than 10m of splash... at most. In fact, it may be as little as 5m, I can't remember. So, no, you will not be damaged at 350 or 400 m if someone shoots them at you when you are that far away. 310 is the very edge of the danger zone. (Kenny Loggins reference FTW!) Tulus have bigger splash, and they are just 15-20m. So they can theoretically (depending on where the target is in relation to your vertical location as weapons will only shoot straight ahead if the target is outside of their range) be used at 510 or 520m instead of just 500. Even that isn't the + 50 to +100m you are referring to. I think you may just have a different perspective, but I can say with a surety that both Tarans (when not bugged) and Scourges are just as good as Orks in their own way. Hell, on one account I would rather run Punishers than Orks on most builds. I switch up a lot, but I would rather run my 4 Ork Doc and leave my griffs/Rogs/whatever to Plasma and Puns. And I am talking level 10 weapons in Expert/Master level play. Just wondering what may have caused your post? IMO, YMMV An extra $0.02, Lag can screw with maximum range. I've absolutely been hit by rockets 50ish meters beyond their stated max range. I've also seen it take an extra second or two for Zeus bolts to register damage. ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 is right though. Lag is deffo the "x" factor... no doubt. Maybe those that see it happen a lot have bad connections... because I play on both Android and iOS and have NEVER encountered Orks doing anything but what the are supposed to... except for that glorious time when they accidentally made Orks only hit on impact. THAT I would support bringing back... but wish in one hand...  |
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Post by northempire on Apr 2, 2018 14:52:30 GMT -5
good news. The EU will be enforcing pro-consumer by-laws on all virtual corporations on September 2018 particularly on the EULAs, procurement, purchase, refund transaction on all of its consumers. Google and its sub-companies, Facebook, and twitter are a few companies that will be affected.
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1. purchasing electronic items; (deleted accounts with premium purchases)
2. refunding electronic transactions; (easier refunds)
3. protecting consumers from virtual purchase investments, i.e., buying something premium today then suddenly they convert it to a TOTAL trash later that day or tomorrow! (hmmm... sounds familiar) without prior notice is somewhat classifiable as internet fraud.
4. protecting consumers from stress. (we all know stress is a major factor on human mortality and diseases)
5. One-sided EULAs.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2018 16:37:21 GMT -5
Also what i discoverd lately is false registration of bots that ive killed. Havin destroyed 100% 5 (no one around to steal my kill) and you see later in stats 2kills. Plus a false registration of damage and suddely (this happend one time) w my Leo bot w 70% health just bang gone. 「whiskey tango foxtrot」? Game errors? Or somethin else, time to record some videos. Also....i dont see those internet blockin tricks anymore, good! Last one KOTH is lately big fraud, time to save my stats for the next time to show.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Apr 2, 2018 17:47:30 GMT -5
Also what i discoverd lately is false registration of bots that ive killed. Havin destroyed 100% 5 (no one around to steal my kill) and you see later in stats 2kills. Plus a false registration of damage and suddely (this happend one time) w my Leo bot w 70% health just bang gone. 「whiskey tango foxtrot」? Game errors? Or somethin else, time to record some videos. Also....i dont see those internet blockin tricks anymore, good! Last one KOTH is lately big fraud, time to save my stats for the next time to show. TBH, that really DOES sound like there are lag issues... either at the server level or at the device level... but almost all of what you say in this post is a symptom of lag. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2018 18:50:23 GMT -5
You should check what the opinion is of the game community about Orkans vs the rest of the weapons. Orkans damage power should be reduced plain simple. Iam btw on Android dont know if this is the same on diffr OS but ive been nailed many times by Orkans while standin on 350m and behind a wall plus runnin away but still i see damage. tarrans(in 3.7.1 with a lot probs, a lot damage you cause arent registerd)/punishers (needs 25% more power) etc. plus a lot heavy weapons r nothin compared to orkans. Ok... totally disagree... but Ok. I completely disagree with your opinion. You have no idea how to play this game and what the good and the bad things are. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2018 18:51:34 GMT -5
Also what i discoverd lately is false registration of bots that ive killed. Havin destroyed 100% 5 (no one around to steal my kill) and you see later in stats 2kills. Plus a false registration of damage and suddely (this happend one time) w my Leo bot w 70% health just bang gone. 「whiskey tango foxtrot」? Game errors? Or somethin else, time to record some videos. Also....i dont see those internet blockin tricks anymore, good! Last one KOTH is lately big fraud, time to save my stats for the next time to show. TBH, that really DOES sound like there are lag issues... either at the server level or at the device level... but almost all of what you say in this post is a symptom of lag. I disagree with your opinion, you really have no idea what you are writing. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2018 18:57:22 GMT -5
Also what i discoverd lately is false registration of bots that ive killed. Havin destroyed 100% 5 (no one around to steal my kill) and you see later in stats 2kills. Plus a false registration of damage and suddely (this happend one time) w my Leo bot w 70% health just bang gone. 「whiskey tango foxtrot」? Game errors? Or somethin else, time to record some videos. Also....i dont see those internet blockin tricks anymore, good! Last one KOTH is lately big fraud, time to save my stats for the next time to show. TBH, that really DOES sound like there are lag issues... either at the server level or at the device level... but almost all of what you say in this post is a symptom of lag. You probably think that on all occasion you are playing against bots thats managed by peeps on their mobile/desktop/laptop.....well its not. Think again and you will discover who your real opponants are in the game. |
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Post by Gilded Wolf on Apr 2, 2018 19:51:50 GMT -5
Ok... totally disagree... but Ok. I completely disagree with your opinion. You have no idea how to play this game and what the good and the bad things are. I won't discount your experiences in the game but the person you are addressing absolutely knows what he's talking about, for what it's worth. |
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Post by noobcake on Apr 2, 2018 21:37:20 GMT -5
good news. The EU will be enforcing pro-consumer by-laws on all virtual corporations on September 2018 particularly on the EULAs, procurement, purchase, refund transaction on all of its consumers. Google and its sub-companies, Facebook, and twitter are a few companies that will be affected. samples: 1. purchasing electronic items; (deleted accounts with premium purchases) 2. refunding electronic transactions; (easier refunds) 3. protecting consumers from virtual purchase investments, i.e., buying something premium today then suddenly they convert it to a TOTAL trash later that day or tomorrow! (hmmm... sounds familiar) without prior notice is somewhat classifiable as internet fraud. 4. protecting consumers from stress. (we all know stress is a major factor on human mortality and diseases) 5. One-sided EULAs. Sounds pretty good to me. Hopefully, we get something similar in the U.S. There should definitely be some regulations for gambling and representation of odds imo. Not sure that that is covered in those 5 changes. Maybe number 3? Defiant, your experience sounds pretty frustrating. However, ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 definitely knows what he is talking about when it comes to this game. |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Apr 3, 2018 7:48:44 GMT -5
TBH, that really DOES sound like there are lag issues... either at the server level or at the device level... but almost all of what you say in this post is a symptom of lag. You probably think that on all occasion you are playing against bots thats managed by peeps on their mobile/desktop/laptop.....well its not. Think again and you will discover who your real opponants are in the game. Well, since I, apparently, don't know what I am talking about nor how to play the game, could you enlighten us as to what/who our opponents are if not other players? OOOH I know... Is it secret training for real mechs!? That would be cool! Like Ender's Game... but Mechs! |
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Post by Vindictive999 on Apr 3, 2018 8:14:52 GMT -5
Ok... totally disagree... but Ok. I completely disagree with your opinion. You have no idea how to play this game and what the good and the bad things are. I disagree with your opinion most vehemently, please provide your hanger and Stats so we can compare them to a trusted contributor who has huge experience in this game over years of playing on both OS's. Strong to say that someone doesn't know how to play the game. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2018 8:15:35 GMT -5
I don't like Cossack's edgey grin, nervous jump or beady eyes, think I'll sue.
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Post by xj92 on Apr 3, 2018 8:21:36 GMT -5
TBH, that really DOES sound like there are lag issues... either at the server level or at the device level... but almost all of what you say in this post is a symptom of lag. I disagree with your opinion, you really have no idea what you are writing. Hey Mr. Snowflake, before you call out one of the trusted contributors of the forum atleast know what you are talking about and don't make yourself a fool. I'm not sure if you lack the knowledge or if you are just half blind if you can't figure out if it's orkans or tulumbs hitting you.... Orkans = 5-10 splash (at best) Tulumbs = ~15 (more like 10-15 to be on the safe side) What you are describing is probably lag or you are just a confused drunk. Oh before you call me noob, I'm champion Android, fight me. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2018 9:54:55 GMT -5
I disagree with your opinion, you really have no idea what you are writing. Hey Mr. Snowflake, before you call out one of the trusted contributors of the forum atleast know what you are talking about and don't make yourself a fool. I'm not sure if you lack the knowledge or if you are just half blind if you can't figure out if it's orkans or tulumbs hitting you.... Orkans = 5-10 splash (at best) Tulumbs = ~15 (more like 10-15 to be on the safe side) What you are describing is probably lag or you are just a confused drunk. Oh before you call me noob, I'm champion Android, fight me. No need to fight you because you will be gone in the first 2min-)) Peeps like you are a big hoax. Ive seen losers that r in champ league, most of them r nothin. Go figure out why.... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2018 9:56:49 GMT -5
I completely disagree with your opinion. You have no idea how to play this game and what the good and the bad things are. I disagree with your opinion most vehemently, please provide your hanger and Stats so we can compare them to a trusted contributor who has huge experience in this game over years of playing on both OS's. Strong to say that someone doesn't know how to play the game. Trusted ...,who? Another hoax. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2018 9:57:57 GMT -5
You probably think that on all occasion you are playing against bots thats managed by peeps on their mobile/desktop/laptop.....well its not. Think again and you will discover who your real opponants are in the game. Well, since I, apparently, don't know what I am talking about nor how to play the game, could you enlighten us as to what/who our opponents are if not other players? OOOH I know... Is it secret training for real mechs!? That would be cool! Like Ender's Game... but Mechs! Exactly you really dont know whats going on, just a lot crap. |
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Post by Vindictive999 on Apr 3, 2018 10:24:14 GMT -5
Haha your weird. Remind me of that lunatic honey nut cheerio's...
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