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Post by kevmac on Mar 31, 2018 1:12:15 GMT -5
I always hated Shocks because I was getting fried with one shot by them.Finally I realized they aren't going anywhere so I swallowed my pride and got a couple and leveled those baddies to ten.Well I guess I've been getting hit by Mk 12 L12 because to say the least I'm underwhelmed by the damage mine deliver. It figures.
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Post by balathrang on Mar 31, 2018 1:29:12 GMT -5
Stop complaining about STs, I'm growing tired of it. In champion league it's not such a big deal. The same thing can be said about tarans,Okans, TREBS, HYDRAS in lower leagues. Our clan is a free to play clan and almost everyone has bulgasari ST. If events are boring to you then stop complaining. Don't expect anything for free.
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Post by HEATHEN HERETIC on Mar 31, 2018 18:14:44 GMT -5
Stop complaining about STs, I'm growing tired of it. In champion league it's not such a big deal. The same thing can be said about tarans,Okans, TREBS, HYDRAS in lower leagues. Our clan is a free to play clan and almost everyone has bulgasari ST. If events are boring to you then stop complaining. Don't expect anything for free. IT IS IN THE RANTS SECTION OF THESE FORUMS WHERE IT BELONGS. YOU ARE FREE TO NOT READ IT. AIN'T THAT AWESOME?
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Post by 2die on Mar 31, 2018 22:23:37 GMT -5
So, you feel that you are on board the "Castration Train" instead of the "Push-Button-To-Win" Train because you have to actually deal with... gasp... counters to your P2W weapon? There is always one. P2W weapon? I have 3 of them and haven't paid for any. Although I find them underwhelming as I've only tried them in my Haechi and Kumiho as I don't have a Bulgsari. I use it on the Kumiho as a becon runner at the start of a game but usually die to something put of my range or if I can get in range of anything I can get in 1 shot before my weapon is reloaded but by that time I'm dead if I'm out in the open. So after I try to grab 2 or 3 becons with it I'll try to dash out of cover to use it and then back in, the only problem is everyone is waiting for it and will fire at you as soon as you pop out. And then on top of that everyone is also focusing you because you have a shocktrain. I'm saving components for a Bulgsari now but I'm not sure if I'll use scrouge or shock train on it. I have a lot of component bots and weapons and haven't spent money for anything, I find it amusing that people call them pay to win when they were obtained for free just by watching ads and opening chests, playing the card game and using daily deals with gold and wsp earned in game. I remember when everyone was the same with the Lance, conplaining how overpowered it is and that it's pay to win even though I had 2 that cost nothing. You can complain about the weapon all you like but it's not pay to win as you can obtain it for free quite easily if you wait for it, just like any other gold or silver weapons there is shortcuts to buying it with real money if you don't want to wait to save gold or silver but you never hear them called pay to win anymore.
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Post by balathrang on Mar 31, 2018 23:24:18 GMT -5
Stop complaining about STs, I'm growing tired of it. In champion league it's not such a big deal. The same thing can be said about tarans,Okans, TREBS, HYDRAS in lower leagues. Our clan is a free to play clan and almost everyone has bulgasari ST. If events are boring to you then stop complaining. Don't expect anything for free. IT IS IN THE RANTS SECTION OF THESE FORUMS WHERE IT BELONGS. YOU ARE FREE TO NOT READ IT. AIN'T THAT AWESOME? It's the rant section and I have my own right to RANT, AIN'T THAT AWESOME.?
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Post by SGT D00M! on Apr 1, 2018 0:29:34 GMT -5
So, you feel that you are on board the "Castration Train" instead of the "Push-Button-To-Win" Train because you have to actually deal with... gasp... counters to your P2W weapon? There is always one. P2W weapon? I have 3 of them and haven't paid for any. Although I find them underwhelming as I've only tried them in my Haechi and Kumiho as I don't have a Bulgsari. I use it on the Kumiho as a becon runner at the start of a game but usually die to something put of my range or if I can get in range of anything I can get in 1 shot before my weapon is reloaded but by that time I'm dead if I'm out in the open. So after I try to grab 2 or 3 becons with it I'll try to dash out of cover to use it and then back in, the only problem is everyone is waiting for it and will fire at you as soon as you pop out. And then on top of that everyone is also focusing you because you have a shocktrain. I'm saving components for a Bulgsari now but I'm not sure if I'll use scrouge or shock train on it. I have a lot of component bots and weapons and haven't spent money for anything, I find it amusing that people call them pay to win when they were obtained for free just by watching ads and opening chests, playing the card game and using daily deals with gold and wsp earned in game. I remember when everyone was the same with the Lance, conplaining how overpowered it is and that it's pay to win even though I had 2 that cost nothing. You can complain about the weapon all you like but it's not pay to win as you can obtain it for free quite easily if you wait for it, just like any other gold or silver weapons there is shortcuts to buying it with real money if you don't want to wait to save gold or silver but you never hear them called pay to win anymore. While ST's have become obtainable (I have two and 7800 components towards my third)the rate of new high level gear being introduced along with high cost and getting them being restricted to chance and "daily deals" means the P2W moniker is going to stick until at least two of those three factors are changed. *edit* add in cost and time of MK2 hangars to that equation.
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Post by 2die on Apr 1, 2018 0:51:13 GMT -5
P2W weapon? I have 3 of them and haven't paid for any. Although I find them underwhelming as I've only tried them in my Haechi and Kumiho as I don't have a Bulgsari. I use it on the Kumiho as a becon runner at the start of a game but usually die to something put of my range or if I can get in range of anything I can get in 1 shot before my weapon is reloaded but by that time I'm dead if I'm out in the open. So after I try to grab 2 or 3 becons with it I'll try to dash out of cover to use it and then back in, the only problem is everyone is waiting for it and will fire at you as soon as you pop out. And then on top of that everyone is also focusing you because you have a shocktrain. I'm saving components for a Bulgsari now but I'm not sure if I'll use scrouge or shock train on it. I have a lot of component bots and weapons and haven't spent money for anything, I find it amusing that people call them pay to win when they were obtained for free just by watching ads and opening chests, playing the card game and using daily deals with gold and wsp earned in game. I remember when everyone was the same with the Lance, conplaining how overpowered it is and that it's pay to win even though I had 2 that cost nothing. You can complain about the weapon all you like but it's not pay to win as you can obtain it for free quite easily if you wait for it, just like any other gold or silver weapons there is shortcuts to buying it with real money if you don't want to wait to save gold or silver but you never hear them called pay to win anymore. While ST's have become obtainable (I have two and 7800 components towards my third)the rate of new high level gear being introduced along with high cost and getting them being restricted to chance and "daily deals" means the P2W moniker is going to stick until at least two of those three factors are changed. I think the people here complaining about them being pay to win probably don't put in anywhere close to the effort that others do to get them for free either. It reminds me of a guy that was in my clan that would constantly ask for gold for 5th slot because he only plays 3-5 games a day and can't save any gold as he always spends it on speeding up weapon upgrades because saving for his 5th slot takes too long. Whinging about shocktrains (especially saying they are P2W) when they are easily obtained is just because those people are lazy and/or not patient enough so they would rather 「female dog」 about them. I just shelved my level 12 shocktrains for now in favor of 6/7 scrouge on my kumiho and it's a lot better to play.
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Post by HEATHEN HERETIC on Apr 1, 2018 2:44:48 GMT -5
IT IS IN THE RANTS SECTION OF THESE FORUMS WHERE IT BELONGS. YOU ARE FREE TO NOT READ IT. AIN'T THAT AWESOME? It's the rant section and I have my own right to RANT, AIN'T THAT AWESOME.? Sure is. If Nobody is forcing you to read it then report them. We've been trying to pin down that 「dookie」head for a long time now. They're always forcing someone to do something that they don't want to do. They're a total 「fluffernutter」tard in that regard.
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Post by HEATHEN HERETIC on Apr 1, 2018 2:57:58 GMT -5
「dookie」train is a no skill needing, team effort killing, physics defying piece of 「dookie」 that does not belong in a game that is supposed to be all about player skill and strategy. 「fluffernutter」 the designer. 「fluffernutter」 the developers. And 「fluffernutter」 PIXONIC for allowing it into the game and 「fluffernutter」 them for allowing it to stay in the game.
When one player can sit in their spawn and take out two-three opponents at a time in just 2-3 zaps it's an over powering weapon.
When an entire team of players is using them and a match lasts less than two minutes it's an over powering weapon and the game is 「fluffernutter」ed.
When two whole teams are using them....
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Post by T34 on Apr 1, 2018 4:22:27 GMT -5
I used to be an 100% brawler , 3 Rhino's and 2 Lances. Then pix let loose the dash bots on the un-expecting. Had 3 Zuses that were at lev1. Never used them. But after the release of the Dashes I charged 2 of them bad boys up. Now I enjoy frying chickens. Levelling up the 3rd as I like my chicken well fried. I encourage every player get Zuses for the likes of OP and get to frying chicken. Sorry no sympathy for dash users. If more people jump on the Zeus band wagon than Pix will nerf them too. I think it's just a matter of time now. The key is to get in early and not on the tail end. Early = RM or lots of grinding.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Apr 2, 2018 7:59:37 GMT -5
While ST's have become obtainable (I have two and 7800 components towards my third)the rate of new high level gear being introduced along with high cost and getting them being restricted to chance and "daily deals" means the P2W moniker is going to stick until at least two of those three factors are changed. I think the people here complaining about them being pay to win probably don't put in anywhere close to the effort that others do to get them for free either. It reminds me of a guy that was in my clan that would constantly ask for gold for 5th slot because he only plays 3-5 games a day and can't save any gold as he always spends it on speeding up weapon upgrades because saving for his 5th slot takes too long. Whinging about shocktrains (especially saying they are P2W) when they are easily obtained is just because those people are lazy and/or not patient enough so they would rather ?female dog? about them. I just shelved my level 12 shocktrains for now in favor of 6/7 scrouge on my kumiho and it's a lot better to play. Sorry, I should have said: That weapon that allows for anyone to damage multiple bots with as little skill as possible, that has almost ruined the game that it just so happens that the folks who DO P2W, max out on 3-4 Sphincters, effectively making the game a pure joke at both Champ level and when they tank to Bronze and Silver.
But yes you can get them for free in certain advantageous situations. I have 1 on each acct that came from chests. I don't have 3 for every dash nor are the 2 that I own leveled past 6. I have no intention of doing so, either, because I loathe the weapon and what it's done to the game. I realize I could be aiming for it with the offers and all that, and that I could get it for "free" but "P2W" is a shorter way of saying "what the folks who will pay to win use the most."
My bad.
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Post by 2die on Apr 2, 2018 8:49:28 GMT -5
I think the people here complaining about them being pay to win probably don't put in anywhere close to the effort that others do to get them for free either. It reminds me of a guy that was in my clan that would constantly ask for gold for 5th slot because he only plays 3-5 games a day and can't save any gold as he always spends it on speeding up weapon upgrades because saving for his 5th slot takes too long. Whinging about shocktrains (especially saying they are P2W) when they are easily obtained is just because those people are lazy and/or not patient enough so they would rather ?female dog? about them. I just shelved my level 12 shocktrains for now in favor of 6/7 scrouge on my kumiho and it's a lot better to play. Sorry, I should have said: That weapon that allows for anyone to damage multiple bots with as little skill as possible, that has almost ruined the game that it just so happens that the folks who DO P2W, max out on 3-4 Sphincters, effectively making the game a pure joke at both Champ level and when they tank to Bronze and Silver.
But yes you can get them for free in certain advantageous situations. I have 1 on each acct that came from chests. I don't have 3 for every dash nor are the 2 that I own leveled past 6. I have no intention of doing so, either, because I loathe the weapon and what it's done to the game. I realize I could be aiming for it with the offers and all that, and that I could get it for "free" but "P2W" is a shorter way of saying "what the folks who will pay to win use the most."
My bad. I dislike trebs more way than shocktrains, they are a skill less weapon that can be used without danger or engagement of the enemy unlike shocktrains for the most part. There are good a few counters to shocktrain bulgsari, unlike something hidden the other side of the map with only it's weapons sticking out above cover taking shots at everything that moves. While I also dislike coming up against shocktrains in most of my bots (I have 2 bots to counter them) I find there is a lot of weapons that I dislike more. You just have to adapt your game style and learn to live with it like any other weapon. I spend a lot of time cussing at other pilots on my phone, mostly zeus or treb but nearly anything out of range that attacking me and I can't attack back. There is a lot of no skill weapons but I think shocktrain is far from the worst.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Apr 2, 2018 9:16:44 GMT -5
Sorry, I should have said: That weapon that allows for anyone to damage multiple bots with as little skill as possible, that has almost ruined the game that it just so happens that the folks who DO P2W, max out on 3-4 Sphincters, effectively making the game a pure joke at both Champ level and when they tank to Bronze and Silver.
But yes you can get them for free in certain advantageous situations. I have 1 on each acct that came from chests. I don't have 3 for every dash nor are the 2 that I own leveled past 6. I have no intention of doing so, either, because I loathe the weapon and what it's done to the game. I realize I could be aiming for it with the offers and all that, and that I could get it for "free" but "P2W" is a shorter way of saying "what the folks who will pay to win use the most."
My bad. I dislike trebs more way than shocktrains, they are a skill less weapon that can be used without danger or engagement of the enemy unlike shocktrains for the most part. There are good a few counters to shocktrain bulgsari, unlike something hidden the other side of the map with only it's weapons sticking out above cover taking shots at everything that moves. While I also dislike coming up against shocktrains in most of my bots (I have 2 bots to counter them) I find there is a lot of weapons that I dislike more. You just have to adapt your game style and learn to live with it like any other weapon. I spend a lot of time cussing at other pilots on my phone, mostly zeus or treb but nearly anything out of range that attacking me and I can't attack back. There is a lot of no skill weapons but I think shocktrain is far from the worst. Matters of opinion. You talk to me like I am a noob... I promise you that I have come to the conclusion of how absolutely crappy the weapon is based upon my own 2 years experience of playing the game, as well as the experiences of my clannies and friends. IMO it's the worst thing to happen to the game besides the MM change. The chain is my issue, and always has been. Enjoy using that POS all you want man, I think it's crap and I can't be dissuaded from that. Yes I know how to counter it and I still think it is a big ole pile of fresly lain, rank and funky, crap. IMO, YMMV
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Post by hyderier on Apr 2, 2018 9:24:55 GMT -5
I always hated Shocks because I was getting fried with one shot by them.Finally I realized they aren't going anywhere so I swallowed my pride and got a couple and leveled those baddies to ten.Well I guess I've been getting hit by Mk 12 L12 because to say the least I'm underwhelmed by the damage mine deliver. It figures. I don't know. I run a single (for now) Shocktrain either on a Hover or a Gareth. At level 11, it does take a reasonable chunk out of life bar of most bots... Well, I guess it takes like 10 shots to kill a Leo (depending on level), but still pretty impressive. Can't wait to get the 2nd one... though they work ok together with Tulu-Pin on the other side of the Hover. I mean, it is no Orkan, single shot will not do nearly as much as full Orkan load, but then again that's how it should be, isn't it. One-shotting with 3 x Mk2-12 is another thing of course. I predict I will have such setup around 2021.
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Post by 2die on Apr 2, 2018 9:56:46 GMT -5
I dislike trebs more way than shocktrains, they are a skill less weapon that can be used without danger or engagement of the enemy unlike shocktrains for the most part. There are good a few counters to shocktrain bulgsari, unlike something hidden the other side of the map with only it's weapons sticking out above cover taking shots at everything that moves. While I also dislike coming up against shocktrains in most of my bots (I have 2 bots to counter them) I find there is a lot of weapons that I dislike more. You just have to adapt your game style and learn to live with it like any other weapon. I spend a lot of time cussing at other pilots on my phone, mostly zeus or treb but nearly anything out of range that attacking me and I can't attack back. There is a lot of no skill weapons but I think shocktrain is far from the worst. Matters of opinion. You talk to me like I am a noob... I promise you that I have come to the conclusion of how absolutely crappy the weapon is based upon my own 2 years experience of playing the game, as well as the experiences of my clannies and friends. IMO it's the worst thing to happen to the game besides the MM change. The chain is my issue, and always has been. Enjoy using that POS all you want man, I think it's crap and I can't be dissuaded from that. Yes I know how to counter it and I still think it is a big ole pile of fresly lain, rank and funky, crap. IMO, YMMV Sorry if you think I'm talking to you like you're a noob, honestly I'm not and I'm just enjoying the discussion and sharing opinions. I don't know how long I've been playing exactly but probably around 2 years as well but with about a year break in the middle (started playing about 3 years ago), I have just over 4300 wins so with about 8-9k games played I'd like to think my opinion is just as valid as those who are bashing it too. As I said I don't like it, but it's not the worst and far from one of the bigger problems with the games. I'm not using it either at least for the time being. I think they will nerf it a little more in the future rather than just keep making stronger and stronger weapons for cash sales too.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Apr 2, 2018 11:52:51 GMT -5
Matters of opinion. You talk to me like I am a noob... I promise you that I have come to the conclusion of how absolutely crappy the weapon is based upon my own 2 years experience of playing the game, as well as the experiences of my clannies and friends. IMO it's the worst thing to happen to the game besides the MM change. The chain is my issue, and always has been. Enjoy using that POS all you want man, I think it's crap and I can't be dissuaded from that. Yes I know how to counter it and I still think it is a big ole pile of fresly lain, rank and funky, crap. IMO, YMMV Sorry if you think I'm talking to you like you're a noob, honestly I'm not and I'm just enjoying the discussion and sharing opinions. I don't know how long I've been playing exactly but probably around 2 years as well but with about a year break in the middle (started playing about 3 years ago), I have just over 4300 wins so with about 8-9k games played I'd like to think my opinion is just as valid as those who are bashing it too. As I said I don't like it, but it's not the worst and far from one of the bigger problems with the games. I'm not using it either at least for the time being. I think they will nerf it a little more in the future rather than just keep making stronger and stronger weapons for cash sales too. Fair enough, forgive me if I came off harsh... I won't go into all the reasons why I hate it again but I will reiterate what is the worst part of it. Those who disagree are able to enjoy them and the environment that they create. It is what it is. But I won't ever be able to agree that a game with a team that is all mk2 12s, no matter the league, with at least 2 bots with 3 or 4 hardpoints (Bulg/Haeci/Sphincter) that are nonstop spamming STs, per hangar, i s any where near a fun match. The Chain that is unbreakable, even if the person that gets hit the first time blocks it and the rest of the team is behind cover from the enemy, kills any hope of competing unless they have them too in similar numbers. It used to be that even if one team was under leveled you could work together and overcome the higher leveled players... Now, if you are not the same levels with near equal weapon selections, you will die if you try and work together as a team due to that ridiculously thought out and implemented chain.
If the above situation was rare... then it would be a different story. But it's pretty common on Android and iOS. Seen quite a few with 2 Sphincter STs in the same hangar lately... if not then they deffo have Bulgas which are still pretty bad. But again, thread is rehashing old stuff... I will bow out and let y'all run with it. I will repeat, however, that Pix did not "castrate" a damn thing with this "nerf". IMO, YMMV
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Post by kevmac on Apr 2, 2018 17:18:06 GMT -5
I always hated Shocks because I was getting fried with one shot by them.Finally I realized they aren't going anywhere so I swallowed my pride and got a couple and leveled those baddies to ten.Well I guess I've been getting hit by Mk 12 L12 because to say the least I'm underwhelmed by the damage mine deliver. It figures. I don't know. I run a single (for now) Shocktrain either on a Hover or a Gareth. At level 11, it does take a reasonable chunk out of life bar of most bots... Well, I guess it takes like 10 shots to kill a Leo (depending on level), but still pretty impressive. Can't wait to get the 2nd one... though they work ok together with Tulu-Pin on the other side of the Hover. I mean, it is no Orkan, single shot will not do nearly as much as full Orkan load, but then again that's how it should be, isn't it. One-shotting with 3 x Mk2-12 is another thing of course. I predict I will have such setup around 2021. After using mine at L11 for a bit I'm getting better results but im running them on Rog which isn't the best platform imo but it's that or Kumi and I'd rather use Orks on my only dash.Would love a Ballisari but who knows when that'll happen.
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