|
|
Post by iamgoot on Mar 12, 2018 15:49:46 GMT -5
Anyone else really getting annoyed with the blatant mismatches.
I just played a game where not one of our team have a mk2 weapon or bot and only 2 were in champ. We were matched against 5 members of RU clan and one other who only had mk2 LVL 12 dash bots and inquisitors...all weapons mk2 LVL 12. The game ended 27 - 10. It was ridiculous...any enemy Haechi on 30% health took our my full health Haechi because my weapons are LVL 11
How on earth can such huge mismatches be allowed. I think your hanger should have a rating system..not based on performance but by what bots, weapons and LVL they are to allow better grouping of players
Otherwise this is just a joke
|
|
|
|
Post by iamgoot on Mar 12, 2018 16:11:32 GMT -5
Just put the game down for tonight...2 more games..my team...noobs...enemy...full clan mk2 LVL 12 ?
|
|
|
|
Post by fizbanrapper on Mar 12, 2018 16:30:51 GMT -5
It's the matchmaking they want. It actually works perfectly from their side. Every now and then they stack the cards against you for a good long stretch = you spend money.
Once your realize that this is what they're doing, just play through it. No other option, but it does help to know they're trying to milk you... for me anyway
|
|
|
|
Post by tekkamanblade on Mar 12, 2018 17:40:00 GMT -5
You seem like a long term player for lvl 11 weapons. Expert League?
How come you still complaining like a silver league player?
It is completely normal to meet max MK2 in any league any mode. That's what the game is right now. The higher league you go, the more often you will meet,very simple. People have freedom to choose their league position, some like to have a fair fight, some just like steamroll.
_______________________________________
When there was only MK1 max old school bot, it is not hard for a smart beginner to learn and advance to champion league by free. It might take a year or even less with great piloting. Pix is not making money.
Let's say if Pix set the max to MK5, you will see MK5 right away and make hating posts. MK4 MK3 will be everywhere in diamond expert. Silver gold will be full of MK2...99.99% of the new players will have to stay in private league for a very long time and quit the game before making any pruchase. Pix can only milk the old top players, but dead in player base growth and making future potential profit from new players.
Not too high not too low, MK2 and MK3 in future updates makes the perfect balance of tilting free players to spend before quitting.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Karma:
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 17:50:08 GMT -5
Anyone else really getting annoyed with the blatant mismatches. I just played a game where not one of our team have a mk2 weapon or bot and only 2 were in champ. We were matched against 5 members of RU clan and one other who only had mk2 LVL 12 dash bots and inquisitors...all weapons mk2 LVL 12. The game ended 27 - 10. It was ridiculous...any enemy Haechi on 30% health took our my full health Haechi because my weapons are LVL 11 How on earth can such huge mismatches be allowed. I think your hanger should have a rating system..not based on performance but by what bots, weapons and LVL they are to allow better grouping of players Otherwise this is just a joke Not a joke, happens in all leagues. The MM is league-based, which opens quite a loophole....
Buck up Bart, I'd much rather get pulverized to iron ore by reds every 5th or 6th game than deal with playing with cowardly blues too scared to try to gain and keep center beacon control EVERY OTHER GAME,.
|
|
|
|
Post by leavemealone on Mar 12, 2018 18:43:36 GMT -5
this is why i tank is because of this reason. players who spent their money worth ,the MM decide to place against none paying players. this is how MM is designed.
|
|
|
|
Post by Gdu4ever on Mar 12, 2018 19:45:54 GMT -5
Your team members are decent. I would just play 2 bots and AKF.
|
|
|
|
Post by iamgoot on Mar 13, 2018 9:16:19 GMT -5
You seem like a long term player for lvl 11 weapons. Expert League? How come you still complaining like a silver league player? It is completely normal to meet max MK2 in any league any mode. That's what the game is right now. The higher league you go, the more often you will meet,very simple. People have freedom to choose their league position, some like to have a fair fight, some just like steamroll. _______________________________________ When there was only MK1 max old school bot, it is not hard for a smart beginner to learn and advance to champion league by free. It might take a year or even less with great piloting. Pix is not making money. Let's say if Pix set the max to MK5, you will see MK5 right away and make hating posts. MK4 MK3 will be everywhere in diamond expert. Silver gold will be full of MK2...99.99% of the new players will have to stay in private league for a very long time and quit the game before making any pruchase. Pix can only milk the old top players, but dead in player base growth and making future potential profit from new players. Not too high not too low, MK2 and MK3 in future updates makes the perfect balance of tilting free players to spend before quitting. Been playing about 9 months...in master 1. I get that you will face tough opposition and that's fine...i can take down mk2 LVL 12 bots all day even with on half my weapons LVL 11 mk1 rest of weapons are 9's and 10's...bots are about LVL 9 |
|
|
|
Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Mar 13, 2018 9:35:55 GMT -5
It has gotten worse in the past few days to a week, OP. Not just you. I was getting pretty close games for a while... not anymore. From Masters to Silver. One side loaded with Mk2s, one side not. I can say that it has NOT been this way for the past several months. It's recent.
iOS and Android. Expert and Diamond.
IMO, YMMV
|
|
paras
Destrier
Posts: 59
Karma: 14
|
Post by paras on Mar 13, 2018 9:36:46 GMT -5
You seem like a long term player for lvl 11 weapons. Expert League? How come you still complaining like a silver league player? It is completely normal to meet max MK2 in any league any mode. That's what the game is right now. The higher league you go, the more often you will meet,very simple. People have freedom to choose their league position, some like to have a fair fight, some just like steamroll. _______________________________________ When there was only MK1 max old school bot, it is not hard for a smart beginner to learn and advance to champion league by free. It might take a year or even less with great piloting. Pix is not making money. Let's say if Pix set the max to MK5, you will see MK5 right away and make hating posts. MK4 MK3 will be everywhere in diamond expert. Silver gold will be full of MK2...99.99% of the new players will have to stay in private league for a very long time and quit the game before making any pruchase. Pix can only milk the old top players, but dead in player base growth and making future potential profit from new players. Not too high not too low, MK2 and MK3 in future updates makes the perfect balance of tilting free players to spend before quitting. This ? This is how the game is. Either accept it OR quit. Nobody is forcing you to play. |
|
|
|
Post by [CK]erazor on Mar 13, 2018 9:42:20 GMT -5
This ? This is how the game is. Either accept it OR quit. Nobody is forcing you to play. Ah? So if you bought a car a year ago and the manufacturer slowed its max speed from 240 KPH to 50, you also say "Accept it or buy another car"? Well, guess not. |
|
|
|
Post by Loganspawn on Mar 13, 2018 9:50:21 GMT -5
It has gotten worse in the past few days to a week, OP. Not just you. I was getting pretty close games for a while... not anymore. From Masters to Silver. One side loaded with Mk2s, one side not. I can say that it has NOT been this way for the past several months. It's recent. iOS and Android. Expert and Diamond. IMO, YMMV For the last few weeks MM has kept me in the 30s win rate wise mostly by placing squads of whales against me. I cant count the number of times I have met BMF, SKY and others lately. I run solo mostly and have an OK Champion hangar but not when playing OP whales or my team is all 4 levels lower. I think their personalized algorithm is trying to pry money out of me. It has the opposite effect in reality no more money spent and less time playing or watching their dumb adds. So I am losing 60% of the time yet still climbing in league since when I lose I am normally still in the top three. What a screw ball system designed to make players tank or spend money. I hate tankers but I can see why many do it. |
|
|
|
Post by Loganspawn on Mar 13, 2018 9:54:27 GMT -5
You seem like a long term player for lvl 11 weapons. Expert League? How come you still complaining like a silver league player? It is completely normal to meet max MK2 in any league any mode. That's what the game is right now. The higher league you go, the more often you will meet,very simple. People have freedom to choose their league position, some like to have a fair fight, some just like steamroll. _______________________________________ When there was only MK1 max old school bot, it is not hard for a smart beginner to learn and advance to champion league by free. It might take a year or even less with great piloting. Pix is not making money. Let's say if Pix set the max to MK5, you will see MK5 right away and make hating posts. MK4 MK3 will be everywhere in diamond expert. Silver gold will be full of MK2...99.99% of the new players will have to stay in private league for a very long time and quit the game before making any pruchase. Pix can only milk the old top players, but dead in player base growth and making future potential profit from new players. Not too high not too low, MK2 and MK3 in future updates makes the perfect balance of tilting free players to spend before quitting. This ? This is how the game is. Either accept it OR quit. Nobody is forcing you to play. Oh can it, people come here to talk about things. How many victories you got anyway and how long have you played? Many players talking here have thousands of hours into this game BTW. Maybe just maybe their options are worth something huh. |
|
|
|
Post by Bui Dui on Mar 13, 2018 10:09:43 GMT -5
Matching pilots based on their gear level is impossible in War Robots, it does not work.
Why? Multiple hangars and the way they work now, when I can choose my bots after I've been matched with others and already put in battle.
As I see it, it is current hangar system OR matches based on lvl. Both just can't be present at the same time in game.
|
|
|
|
Post by [CK]erazor on Mar 13, 2018 10:19:37 GMT -5
Matching pilots based on their gear level is impossible in War Robots, it does not work. Why? Multiple hangars and the way they work now, when I can choose my bots after I've been matched with others and already put in battle. As I see it, it is current hangar system OR matches based on lvl. Both just can't be present at the same time in game. Why? Just factor everything in. Average bot level, weapon level, number of wins, maximum damage, maximum destroyed bots and so on. To avoid cheating on this, everything less than level 8 simply won't make a difference. Of course a hangar based MM would work. League based MM doesn't work as there is a lot of MKII gear down in silver. Even bronze. I guess on my Android I still have a screenshot from yesterday. Edit. Ok, no MKII screenshot in bronze, but a Fury sporting Zeus+Ancile with less than 100 wins and a Bulgasari with some Tulumbas. So the pay to win starts at less than 100 wins and the MM doesn't work at all. Not a bit. |
|
paras
Destrier
Posts: 59
Karma: 14
|
Post by paras on Mar 13, 2018 10:27:33 GMT -5
Woh...woh...woh calm down people. I was just stating the fact although it wasn't very nice.
First you all need to accept that this is NOT Real life, it's a GAME. So stop comparing/applying your real world standards/rules/regulations here. There are no rules or laws here so pixo can do whatever it wants. And pixo wants money. They don't give a feck about our problems.
Now it's upto us whether we accept this or not.
|
|
|
|
Post by darkknight on Mar 13, 2018 10:47:16 GMT -5
I thought that I’ll stop tanking and so climbed up till champs . Now I hardly face a guy with mk1 max weap while my weapons are not even mk1 max except shocktrains (mk1 lvl 12). So can I keep up ? Yup I usually am at 3/4th at either side . Do I enjoy playing ? Not at all. I’ll rather play with my stalker gust in gold leaugue.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Karma:
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 10:54:20 GMT -5
Give it a little more time. Matchmaking will settle down in time (over a year later and still the same complaints - thus, for accuracy, please refer to it as the MMM MisMatchMaker).
|
|
|
|
Post by Bui Dui on Mar 13, 2018 12:24:58 GMT -5
Matching pilots based on their gear level is impossible in War Robots, it does not work. Why? Multiple hangars and the way they work now, when I can choose my bots after I've been matched with others and already put in battle. As I see it, it is current hangar system OR matches based on lvl. Both just can't be present at the same time in game. Why? Just factor everything in. Average bot level, weapon level, number of wins, maximum damage, maximum destroyed bots and so on. To avoid cheating on this, everything less than level 8 simply won't make a difference. Of course a hangar based MM would work. League based MM doesn't work as there is a lot of MKII gear down in silver. Even bronze. I guess on my Android I still have a screenshot from yesterday. Edit. Ok, no MKII screenshot in bronze, but a Fury sporting Zeus+Ancile with less than 100 wins and a Bulgasari with some Tulumbas. So the pay to win starts at less than 100 wins and the MM doesn't work at all. Not a bit. There is nothing to factor in, because you can't factor in the things that matter Avarage bot level, weapon level - this is the main thing that must be taken into account when making even matches, others don't give that much of a sense to look at if i'm not using my most advanced stuff (or stuff I got those dmg/win%/kill/etc. stats with) in current battle. And at the same time bot and weapons levels are the things that the MM is unable to determine for sure. If I have different hangars to choose from with different average level stuff in them and i can choose between them AFTER the MM has done its magic or whatever, then I highly doubt that such a level/gear based MM can work even in theory. MM must be done after the game has sure data, what my gear I will use in the match and its levels will be. Only way to do it now is to take the data from all hangars at the same time. Basing MM for me by highest of my hangars is stupid, because it puts me in a disadvantage whenever I play any of other hangars. Other options, as average levels in all hangars, or only mostly played hangar, etc. will again make game uneven for the current match. And without basing MM on current gear and lvl a league based MM is the best Pix was able to do, and we see what it does. I could imagine they are putting other stuff like kill count, wins etc. in the algorithm, but they are unable to know what stuff I'll use in the battle. I think this there is another reason why MM got worse after DIESS - because multiple hangers were introduced to the game just before that, and when dashes and tanks started breaking the game, it was too late to change that. Multiple hangars option must be removed or changed completely before even start making a gear/lvl based MM algorithm. And I must learn to express myself shorter  |
|
[FTE] Minty Fresh
Recruit
Posts: 1
Karma: 0
Pilot name: Minty Fresh
Clan: For The Empire!
League: Gold
Server Region: North America
Favorite robot: Rajin
|
Post by [FTE] Minty Fresh on Mar 13, 2018 16:10:50 GMT -5
I had a game recently where all of the other team had level 12 Bulgasari's, level 12 Haechi's, and other fully upgraded component bots. While on my team I had 4 I repeat 4 Cossaks! And they didn't even know how to use them! The other team was also ALL Champion Leagues.
|
|
|
|
Post by T34 on Mar 13, 2018 16:49:00 GMT -5
Is the current MM-ing worse than before (3 months ago)?
Back then Diamonds were mixed with Champs. Squadding was heavily penalised (eg, silver squad of 6 pitted against a champ squad of 6).
Unfortunately, other contributing factors are at play IMO which may include a smaller active userbase, deliberate mismatches in order to sell stuff, multi hangers, MK2, modes and tankers. Sort of side effects of the current game design strategy. Would take a change of strategy, belief in the game's longevity and lots of resources to change that.
|
|
![[CK]erazor Avatar](http://storage.proboards.com/6607038/avatar/ELHKjZdxORLnQBpejRhX.jpg)
![[FTE] Minty Fresh Avatar](http://storage.proboards.com/6607038/avatar/UzQwOsMP0sCNidHNNeIR.png)
