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Post by Conflict's Student on Feb 3, 2017 9:52:58 GMT -5
I guess main issue is that even being smart and innovative is not going to take you far. Once you come up with a solution to your current set of opponents you'll be placed against ones with yet better gear or same superior gear as earlier, just more skill than ones you learned to manage. That is the a flaw in the very concept of the current mm (if its pure Elo). How in the world is earning your way to higher-quality gameplay against better competition a flaw in order to maintain decent win rate If you want serious competition, find a PvP game. If you want to feel better about yourself by always winning more than ~50% of the time without constantly needing to improve, try Angry Birds or Candy Crush. Seriously, PvP isn't about finding people you can beat on a regular basis - that's a fundamentally unsporting concept in the first place.
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Post by EatStinkyTofu on Feb 3, 2017 9:59:33 GMT -5
Me too. I actually decided I was getting tired of dodging and hiding around walls, and have been using a punisher Leo to barrel straight into reds at the beginning of matches. This is a much more interesting subject, can we talk about this instead? What do you use on heavy hardpoint? And what levels are they? Could be a good diversion while rest of blues go the other way to flank. I put a thunder on it. It's kind of a throwaway bot. I use punishers because I like laughing like a madman, guns blazing, with explosions and bullets everywhere. Played smartly and if you get in the proper position, it can be a pain in the booty because it has so crazy high HP. Problems are it still is relatively slow, has a big hit box so you absorb a lot of aphids. Punishers are fun but experienced players don't worry about them too much and blow you up. Less experienced players get nervous and that is fun to scatter them with lots of bullets. I think most people use magnums, pinatas or aphids. The thunder is okay but probably better with Zeus because I want to hit the big red "fire all the bullets" button all the time. My bot is only level 7 with 9 weapons, which is underpowered compared to the rest of my hangar. Again, it's a throwaway right now
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Post by K A Z on Feb 3, 2017 10:17:55 GMT -5
I guess main issue is that even being smart and innovative is not going to take you far. Once you come up with a solution to your current set of opponents you'll be placed against ones with yet better gear or same superior gear as earlier, just more skill than ones you learned to manage. That is the a flaw in the very concept of the current mm (if its pure Elo). How in the world is earning your way to higher-quality gameplay against better competition a flaw in order to maintain decent win rate If you want serious competition, find a PvP game. If you want to feel better about yourself by always winning more than ~50% of the time without constantly needing to improve, try Angry Birds or Candy Crush. Seriously, PvP isn't about finding people you can beat on a regular basis - that's a fundamentally unsporting concept in the first place. Competition is not better, but has a superior gear; I guess that' a difference you missed. Quite vivid when looking at how the matches go now; fighting the guys who apparently do not exactly know how to use their one up mass class, +3/3..+4/4 hangars does not bring me much fun as it limits the play options greatly. Too much sneaking and MR. For the win rate, to make it easier for you to understand: 50% itself is not the problem (if you take a game as indicator of "feeling better about yourself", well, up to ya), but 50% being a fixed arbitrary mm goal is the problem since it takes variety from the game and from the players; if you're ok with it, fine - enjoy; you don't need to troll if someone disagrees with you. And yeah I do feel myself quite ok regardless of the game....there is also a real life btw. As for the sugar candy crush whatever, I can ask my older son for some other recommendations for you Cheers & chill
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Post by Conflict's Student on Feb 3, 2017 10:51:27 GMT -5
Fair enough K A Z, my previous comment crossed the line into unfounded ad hominem for which I apologize. No excuse.
A different way of putting the 50% thing is: if you're always doing better than 50% then you're missing opportunities to experience challenges. The primary merit of PvP is its potential to provide greater challenges than PvE or solitaire. At the same time, it would be immoral (by my personal standards) to expect others to participate in anything where they must lose to you regularly. If you're doing better than 50% consistently, the math shows you're subjecting others to doing worse. That means it's time to level up from the comfort zone of the current playpen into something more appropriate for your current capability - serving both your interests and those of your fellow players.
Facing lesser-skilled players with equal equipment is a waste of their time - and IMO a waste of yours. The intent of a player rating system is to give you a mix of equally-skilled and equally-equipped opposition, along with better-skilled but poorly-equipped and lesser-skilled but better-equipped opposition as necessary to provide you a competitive playing experience. I also suspect there is an intentional percentage of matches at either end of the "too hard" and "too easy" spectrum in an attempt to manage your enjoyment of the game, keeping people interested while also motivating them to spend money. I do my best to enjoy the games in the middle while accepting the outliers a necessary evil of free-to-play. And I also understand that the new system will take considerable time to mature - but it's already better than the gepard-promoting, clubber-friendly, the-only-real-competition-is-gold-because-people-are-exploiting-everything-below system we had before.
On a separate note, the competition that adds "sneaking and MR" into the equation is more varied, more dynamic, and in fact better - it's not just about having equipment at higher levels. It's often hard to tell the difference because the players who already own better equipment have been playing more sophisticated opposition than people with bots and weapons like my own (best are at levels 6-8) for so long that they long ago learned techniques and tactics that players with weaker gear are just now experiencing for the first time. So it's not fair to chalk up getting battered simply to facing better gear - often the people with the better gear also had better techniques. Eventually the matchmaker should sort things out so you only experience those batterings the precise fraction of the time that the developer's psychologists have determined is most likely to convince you to spend more money.
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Post by ł⸰§ĦȺĐ◎ŴƧŦḀɌ on Feb 3, 2017 11:38:45 GMT -5
Hmph. Meme attack.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 12:36:34 GMT -5
The best, fairest and fastest way to tank is delete your account and start over again. You lose anything you invested but with the knowledge you have, you can rebuild a lot faster. Plus you won't bother anyone else with your choice. To intentionally tank your account by leaving matches the way you are describing is just crap - play the game thru. Put in the hanger you want to play and just run the matches....grow a pair and take the beatings if you want to play at that lower level. Or get another account, and dont spend any money to play
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 12:38:22 GMT -5
Great sportsmanship. Like taking a knee to run out the clock, walking a batter. No guts!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 12:44:31 GMT -5
Dark side tip of the day:
Easiest way to tank is a noricum on a very fast bot - hit the enemy right away with the artillery and beeline for the closest beacon. Then quit. With the damage and beacon, the game will register your participation.
Of course, your soul is at risk of eternal damnation should you actually pursue this advice.
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Post by K A Z on Feb 3, 2017 12:52:03 GMT -5
Fair enough K A Z, my previous comment crossed the line into unfounded ad hominem for which I apologize. No excuse. A different way of putting the 50% thing is: if you're always doing better than 50% then you're missing opportunities to experience challenges. The primary merit of PvP is its potential to provide greater challenges than PvE or solitaire. At the same time, it would be immoral (by my personal standards) to expect others to participate in anything where they must lose to you regularly. If you're doing better than 50% consistently, the math shows you're subjecting others to doing worse. That means it's time to level up from the comfort zone of the current playpen into something more appropriate for your current capability - serving both your interests and those of your fellow players. Facing lesser-skilled players with equal equipment is a waste of their time - and IMO a waste of yours. The intent of a player rating system is to give you a mix of equally-skilled and equally-equipped opposition, along with better-skilled but poorly-equipped and lesser-skilled but better-equipped opposition as necessary to provide you a competitive playing experience. I also suspect there is an intentional percentage of matches at either end of the "too hard" and "too easy" spectrum in an attempt to manage your enjoyment of the game, keeping people interested while also motivating them to spend money. I do my best to enjoy the games in the middle while accepting the outliers a necessary evil of free-to-play. And I also understand that the new system will take considerable time to mature - but it's already better than the gepard-promoting, clubber-friendly, the-only-real-competition-is-gold-because-people-are-exploiting-everything-below system we had before. On a separate note, the competition that adds "sneaking and MR" into the equation is more varied, more dynamic, and in fact better - it's not just about having equipment at higher levels. It's often hard to tell the difference because the players who already own better equipment have been playing more sophisticated opposition than people with bots and weapons like my own (best are at levels 6-8) for so long that they long ago learned techniques and tactics that players with weaker gear are just now experiencing for the first time. So it's not fair to chalk up getting battered simply to facing better gear - often the people with the better gear also had better techniques. Eventually the matchmaker should sort things out so you only experience those batterings the precise fraction of the time that the developer's psychologists have determined is most likely to convince you to spend more money. It's cool, no hurt feelings I generally agree with you, my only 2 gripes were/are: - knowing the outcome (here we do: half win / half loose) makes the game imo less attractive; for me, by definition a game with known outcome is rather pointless. That's why I'm ranting a bit while also trying to find reasons/ways to continue with War Robots. - too big gap being made by mm; I like to compete + 1 or 2 levels difference are kinda challenging and rewarding; getting in a boxing ring when opponent is swinging a baseball bat is a different story...does not encourage fair / fun play. Anyhow - peace! See you on red / blue side!
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Post by vigusfatbelly on Feb 3, 2017 12:55:01 GMT -5
I was winning problem was it's boring gameplay. Beating botz lvl 10 or higher isn't impossible with lvl 3 gepards. But you have to adjust your gameplay to a more boring one. I call bull「dookie」. If you can club at high levels and beat lvl 10 bots, then there is no way that leaving a match to lower your MM and put you into lower level play is going to "improve the gameplay" and not be a challenge...thus boring. Don't lie. No one likes a liar.
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Post by [AurN]Zenotaph on Feb 3, 2017 12:58:17 GMT -5
I was winning problem was it's boring gameplay. Beating botz lvl 10 or higher isn't impossible with lvl 3 gepards. But you have to adjust your gameplay to a more boring one. I call bull?poo-poo?. If you can club at high levels and beat lvl 10 bots, then there is no way that leaving a match to lower your MM and put you into lower level play is going to "improve the gameplay" and not be a challenge...thus boring. Don't lie. No one likes a liar. Except when she says, you where the best, she ever had...
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Post by slayer29000 on Jun 16, 2017 4:21:00 GMT -5
I was winning problem was it's boring gameplay. Beating botz lvl 10 or higher isn't impossible with lvl 3 gepards. But you have to adjust your gameplay to a more boring one. Thats my favorite part. I love to brag when I go a whole battle in my gep and land in first place. BTW I'm now in diamond and still knock some s**t out of the park with my gep. I'm gonna hang on to my gep untill it becomes a liability
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 4:43:09 GMT -5
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Post by T34 on Jun 16, 2017 4:45:26 GMT -5
Rating system sets you into a different bracket once every 5 games if you drop in league points sufficiently within those 5 games, it's not every hour. Don't do anything and quit when the clock reaches 9:30 if you wish to tank. If you have no moral objections to doing this, tank away! I wouldn't do the 9:30 method as it leads to the leavers queue. Crap game experience there and if u haven't got a decent hanger u will be helping some red to gold and lots of silver. Fresh meat.
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Post by SGT D00M! on Jun 16, 2017 5:39:01 GMT -5
Rating system sets you into a different bracket once every 5 games if you drop in league points sufficiently within those 5 games, it's not every hour. Don't do anything and quit when the clock reaches 9:30 if you wish to tank. If you have no moral objections to doing this, tank away! I wouldn't do the 9:30 method as it leads to the leavers queue. Crap game experience there and if u haven't got a decent hanger u will be helping some red to gold and lots of silver. Fresh meat. This is a necro post. Look at the date of the post you respinded to. Ugh, of all the posts to necro...
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jun 16, 2017 8:12:46 GMT -5
fine candidate for deletion... this thread.
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Post by inspirace on Jun 16, 2017 10:10:39 GMT -5
don't delete, this is funny . a history,
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Post by 7iquid on Jun 16, 2017 12:10:44 GMT -5
Play fair - support your team - nobody loves a quitter in this game.
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Post by BooBooKitty on Jun 16, 2017 12:55:09 GMT -5
Rating system sets you into a different bracket once every 5 games if you drop in league points sufficiently within those 5 games, it's not every hour. Don't do anything and quit when the clock reaches 9:30 if you wish to tank. If you have no moral objections to doing this, tank away! I wouldn't do the 9:30 method as it leads to the leavers queue. Crap game experience there and if u haven't got a decent hanger u will be helping some red to gold and lots of silver. Fresh meat. lol I need to turn my forum notifications off, I got an email about this because u quoted me. This was sometime after the new matchmaker was introduced but before the league interface showed up.
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Post by DarkVagabond on Jun 16, 2017 13:06:35 GMT -5
Dredd77 Can u please trash this thread? Otherwise I'm gonna post my article again, 'Confessions of a reluctant Tanker'. I'm gonna post it 12345678890 times..... ;-)
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Post by mijapi300 on Jun 16, 2017 13:07:19 GMT -5
Dredd77 Can u please trash this thread? Otherwise I'm gonna post my article again, 'Confessions of a reluctant Tanker'. I'm gonna post it 12345678890 times..... ;-) It bothers me that you typed 8 twice
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Post by DarkVagabond on Jun 16, 2017 13:10:41 GMT -5
Dredd77 Can u please trash this thread? Otherwise I'm gonna post my article again, 'Confessions of a reluctant Tanker'. I'm gonna post it 12345678890 times..... ;-) It bothers me that you typed 8 twice I'm an artist - we don't like to stick to convention ;-)
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Post by titando on Jun 16, 2017 13:23:07 GMT -5
Here's my 2 cents... I lost over 20 games in a row when I got close to the Expert league, even though I was consistently placing in the top 3, and over 50% of the time, number 1. This is extremely frustrating to be playing pretty well, but constantly losing. For some reason, I'm always going against maxed out hangars. My 8-9 bots/weapons cannot compete with that. So, in my opinion, if tanking helps you get more fun out of the game, go for it. The MM system is not perfect, and never will be. I think it's intentional, to get folks to spend more money.
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Post by Dredd77 on Jun 16, 2017 13:33:48 GMT -5
Presto change-o!
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