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Post by bronzeknee on Jan 31, 2018 12:44:16 GMT -5
TDM is garbage. KOTH isn't much better.
The Shocktrain is a disaster.
Pixonic hasn't seemed to realize that not every idea they come up with and spend time and money developing is a good one, and sometimes they have to remove things they worked hard on to make the game better. Yet they keep filling the game with things that make it frustrating to play. The game has reached the point where I have no reason to play anything but 6 pack anymore, especially since I can keep collecting resources via the supply drops without playing games. My clan is currently giving gold this week based on activity, so I might grind for this last week if I can bring myself too (at the moment I cannot), but after that I'll probably only open to the game to upgrade and collect supply drops in the hopes that Pixonic will fix the game at some point in the future.
But I don't see a bright future.
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Post by Landy on Jan 31, 2018 13:00:38 GMT -5
I am almost laughing now. This is the worst reception that any update has received in my memory and the only one where I have been compelled to speak out on. The only "praise" I have seen is that the supply drops give enough resources to skip playing the regular game entirely. LMAO!
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Post by AzureAura on Jan 31, 2018 13:02:13 GMT -5
War Robots I personally believe will die before August because every bot/weapon pix has ever introduced in the test server has come out on the live server.
The prices are ridiculous for just one bot or weapon. 200$ is enough to provide at least a week's worth of food for my family.
Everything that gets introduced is increasingly more OP than the last. First it was dashes with their speed and firepower. Then it's the Inquisidor. And now it's the Strider and Exorcist.
They're basically running the business into the ground at this point.
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Post by krebby on Jan 31, 2018 13:46:57 GMT -5
I think I have a well-earned reputation as a critic of Pixonic.
But I underestimated the company. I honestly did not think they would shovel this much dung into a single update.
I mean, who would have predicted that introducing a game-breaking OPed bot and a game-breaking OPed weapon would only be a minor complaint compared to other things? Its kind of impressive in a way.
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Post by Landy on Jan 31, 2018 14:47:21 GMT -5
I hear you, it is quite an impressive pile we are looking at here. Those bots will make a big difference down the line. Most of us are just complaining about what we have had access to, KOH and the new random mode. Nobody has had to play against the Spectre or Strider or the new weapon yet, on the live server anyway.
I run a Kumiho and a Haechi. To be honest, I don't like what they have done to the game. Everybody is dashing everywhere, that's just the new way to play.
I am most fearful about the Strider actually. With 5 dashes, its just gonna be chaos. A good Haechi or Kumiho pilot could sneak up on you from way out with just 2 dashes, imagine 5. You will never be safe, you can never turn your back until you are so far out of range. It will just devolve the gameplay even further toward something I don't enjoy.
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Post by fizbanrapper on Jan 31, 2018 14:58:59 GMT -5
TDM is garbage. KOTH isn't much better. The Shocktrain is a disaster. Pixonic hasn't seemed to realize that not every idea they come up with and spend time and money developing is a good one, and sometimes they have to remove things they worked hard on to make the game better. Yet they keep filling the game with things that make it frustrating to play. The game has reached the point where I have no reason to play anything but 6 pack anymore, especially since I can keep collecting resources via the supply drops without playing games. My clan is currently giving gold this week based on activity, so I might grind for this last week if I can bring myself too (at the moment I cannot), but after that I'll probably only open to the game to upgrade and collect supply drops in the hopes that Pixonic will fix the game at some point in the future. But I don't see a bright future. What is striking to me, is how universal the hate us for TDM. I don't see anyone defending it and this place is filled with folks whose religion is contrarianism. KOTH seems to work well. I hated BR at first, but I just needed to adjust the way I played. It's my favorite mode now. KOTH could possibly replace it at some point, but it's too early to tell. TDM can GTFO forever though.
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Post by Anon O. Mous on Jan 31, 2018 15:00:01 GMT -5
I've been playing this game for just over a year. I don't remember the last time people reacted positively to an update. This is especially since the Dash bots were unveiled, but even before then. I guess I came in just after the mail.poo takeover, and from what I gather, they haven't done many things to improve the game. I've nearly walked away a few times. Maybe it's time that I dust off those walking shoes. It's not time yet, but that time may be coming sooner than later.
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Post by [AurN] perfectlyGoodInk on Jan 31, 2018 15:44:31 GMT -5
They're basically running the business into the ground at this point. Yeah, the pace of expensive premium gear introduced into the game makes it clear they no longer care about balance anymore. I think it's the stage of "free" software development where they milk what they can out of the remaining whales. ES File Explorer used to be good, and then they released updates with more and more adware to cash in on the reputation they had built up. The "free" software model is inherently broken. Unless created by volunteers like open source, anything that's "free" really means that you are the product.
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Post by ᒪΛᏟIΛ on Jan 31, 2018 15:46:13 GMT -5
War Robots I personally believe will die before August because every bot/weapon pix has ever introduced in the test server has come out on the live server. The prices are ridiculous for just one bot or weapon. 200$ is enough to provide at least a week's worth of food for my family. Everything that gets introduced is increasingly more OP than the last. First it was dashes with their speed and firepower. Then it's the Inquisidor. And now it's the Strider and Exorcist. They're basically running the business into the ground at this point. What do you mean by dying? Server shutdowns?
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Post by CrownBlack on Jan 31, 2018 17:53:53 GMT -5
I could care less about the new bots or weapons this new random mode is just awful. Talk about piss poor implementation. KOTH is just stupid and putting 3 modes in one is even more idiotic. This is making me consider walking away and I never thought that could happen. Side note, there is absolutely no reason to ever buy a chest ever again. The components are so watered down now that nobody will ever gain traction in getting new bots or components through the BM.
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Post by T34 on Jan 31, 2018 19:11:01 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see how the revenue and user base trends go. Has anyone got a paid subscription to appannie so we can see the user base stats?
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Post by ᴛʜᴇ ʙɪɢ ᴅʀᴏᴘ on Jan 31, 2018 19:46:21 GMT -5
When the league system was first introduced, it was to curb seal-clubbing. The various Leagues were designed so everyone, despite their equipment level or ability, could have appropriate adversaries.
Of course, thats not how people handle Leagues or Ranks... The emphasis on being number one contradicts the original idea of why the league system was instituted.
Then, War Robots Version 3.0 comes out and to be number one, now, you need to maybe Tank, or Fade (depending on how high you wanna go) AND have MK2 gear AND have thee bestes gear.
Now, even bester gear is getting released... So it will be needed. I suppose we will see bestest and besterest stuff come out with five hardpoints, double or tripple abilities (jumps and stuff) because like real life... EVIL, HARD, OPPRESSIVE, 'Real Life', Countries and their Governments keep making biggerest and more efficient killing machines to maintain their station.
War Robots isnt really a 'War' game. War Robots uses war, a form of timed, requlated conflict where two teams of six face each other and fight for resources or against each other in the name of an idea, jovement or nation that is hidden in the non-existant lore of the game.
Of course bigger, badder stuff will be released... Maybe Im just having issues along with others because War Robots is becoming too "real" meaning like real life, money is needed for the best killing machines. Mobey many ofus dont have.
So instead of falling into the trap of real-life stuff I cant control, Im going to kill what I can and commit myself to doing the best where Im at in the leagues for as long as I can. I proly wont ever be number one at this game but thats OK, I will squeak by in the average most of way.
Join me in my indifference. Power to the Pilots. F**k 'real life' always. See you at the bottom
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Post by AzureAura on Jan 31, 2018 21:31:11 GMT -5
War Robots I personally believe will die before August because every bot/weapon pix has ever introduced in the test server has come out on the live server. The prices are ridiculous for just one bot or weapon. 200$ is enough to provide at least a week's worth of food for my family. Everything that gets introduced is increasingly more OP than the last. First it was dashes with their speed and firepower. Then it's the Inquisidor. And now it's the Strider and Exorcist. They're basically running the business into the ground at this point. What do you mean by dying? Server shutdowns? Well the player base will shrink and pix will keep trying to entice more players but they try too hard and end up releasing too many bots and weapons.
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Post by anjian on Jan 31, 2018 23:25:36 GMT -5
Well, the player base and engagement rate are indeed shrinking, though it seemed to have picked up a few days ago. www.similarweb.com/app/google-play/com.pixonic.Walking War Robots/statistics#ranking The easiest stat to follow is one in your smartphone or tablet. If you are in an Android one, go to Google Play, look for Top Charts and look for Gross Revenue. Do note that at one point, War Robots is consistently at the top 50, and would occasionally reach the top 20. Now its lingering past 90, this is the lowest point I have seen War Robots so far. The crash was pretty obvious a month after the dash bots were released. So far 3.6 hasn't picked up new gains but we will see. So the decline is very real. The more the game declines, it seems the harder they try with the worst ideas and causing the decline even more. Personally I play only once in a while now, despite a whale looking hanger, and I just got a second Bulgasari, and I play mostly in the test server. Much of my mobile game time lies with other games higher in the list, like Fire Emblem Heroes which is now consistently ranked in the top 20 if not the top 10, and an old favorite, Pokemon Go. One game I lately started, Fate Grand Order, is now consistently on the top 100 if not top 50, outranking even War Robots. The more a game declines the more I am reluctant to invest on it since game longevity is a key reason for that spending. FEH is now my main whaling game, and damn its good to spend only a few rolls to catch the new legendary Ike and the new Xander in his swimming trunks. I will be busy with its first year anniversary event soon.
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Post by AVC on Feb 1, 2018 0:20:03 GMT -5
War Robots I personally believe will die before August because every bot/weapon pix has ever introduced in the test server has come out on the live server. The prices are ridiculous for just one bot or weapon. 200$ is enough to provide at least a week's worth of food for my family. Everything that gets introduced is increasingly more OP than the last. First it was dashes with their speed and firepower. Then it's the Inquisidor. And now it's the Strider and Exorcist. They're basically running the business into the ground at this point. What do you mean by dying? Server shutdowns? Server shutdowns would be the very last step. Development is the big cost. That would go first. Which wouldn't be a bad thing, as it would halt the death spiral of increasingly OP gear. Maybe with no dev. and players just paying for the occasional premium, or specials, or keys, it could last a while, with only tech support and servers costs to cover. Once everyone was on a level playing field though, the money would stop rolling in, and the game would tank. The current business model is basically a pyramid scheme, they need new players and whales to spend money to get gear. And there must always be something just out of reach for the masses.
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Post by bronzeknee on Feb 1, 2018 1:37:41 GMT -5
What do you mean by dying? Server shutdowns? Server shutdowns would be the very last step. Development is the big cost. That would go first. Which wouldn't be a bad thing, as it would halt the death spiral of increasingly OP gear. Maybe with no dev. and players just paying for the occasional premium, or specials, or keys, it could last a while, with only tech support and servers costs to cover. Once everyone was on a level playing field though, the money would stop rolling in, and the game would tank. The current business model is basically a pyramid scheme, they need new players and whales to spend money to get gear. And there must always be something just out of reach for the masses. They keep recycling old ideas, the Redeemer, Spectre, Strider, Thermite, Vortex... just all old programming rehashed.
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Post by bronzeknee on Feb 1, 2018 1:43:57 GMT -5
I could care less about the new bots or weapons this new random mode is just awful. Talk about piss poor implementation. KOTH is just stupid and putting 3 modes in one is even more idiotic. This is making me consider walking away and I never thought that could happen. Yeah I don't like KOTH and I don't like TDM. I just can't bring myself to play anymore when I could be playing League or SC2... or MWO.
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Post by fizbanrapper on Feb 1, 2018 7:27:41 GMT -5
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Post by gothopie on Feb 2, 2018 2:14:40 GMT -5
Curious... why is the general sentiment on this forum that "nobody likes TDM" ? Are there any stats to back this claim? If I recall correctly, TDM was its own mode before this latest update, I ran it once in a while... and while it's not MY cup of tea, I don't think it's fair to say it isn't anyone else's... the match making time didn't seem all that long, if it truly was universally hated, wouldn't the wait times be horrible?
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Post by Gdu4ever on Feb 2, 2018 2:22:33 GMT -5
I'm sure their next response will be equally useless. As Pix is not deleting TDM I've deleted the game. I am ruthless when someone crossed my line.
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Post by FlashAhAhh on Feb 2, 2018 2:22:43 GMT -5
Curious... why is the general sentiment on this forum that "nobody likes TDM" ? Are there any stats to back this claim? If I recall correctly, TDM was its own mode before this latest update, I ran it once in a while... and while it's not MY cup of tea, I don't think it's fair to say it isn't anyone else's... the match making time didn't seem all that long, if it truly was universally hated, wouldn't the wait times be horrible? Campers LOVED it and hated BR/Dom mix because their hangars were useless for BR. Game was actually good for a while with campers having their own playground. If they swapped KOTH into the random mix and kept TDM on it's own I'd be happy... not that the current state of the game really bothers me though.
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Post by Paps on Feb 2, 2018 2:26:32 GMT -5
gothopieAndroid champ wait time for TDM from a week-ish ago. Booted me back to hangar without finding a game.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2018 2:36:08 GMT -5
Can corroborate Paps. I tried to play TDM a few times when it was stand alone, and could never get a match. Now I get it every other game. Yay me!
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Post by mallexx222 on Feb 2, 2018 12:10:27 GMT -5
Well, the player base and engagement rate are indeed shrinking, though it seemed to have picked up a few days ago. www.similarweb.com/app/google-play/com.pixonic.Walking War Robots/statistics#ranking The easiest stat to follow is one in your smartphone or tablet. If you are in an Android one, go to Google Play, look for Top Charts and look for Gross Revenue. Do note that at one point, War Robots is consistently at the top 50, and would occasionally reach the top 20. Now its lingering past 90, this is the lowest point I have seen War Robots so far. The crash was pretty obvious a month after the dash bots were released. So far 3.6 hasn't picked up new gains but we will see. So the decline is very real. The more the game declines, it seems the harder they try with the worst ideas and causing the decline even more. Personally I play only once in a while now, despite a whale looking hanger, and I just got a second Bulgasari, and I play mostly in the test server. Much of my mobile game time lies with other games higher in the list, like Fire Emblem Heroes which is now consistently ranked in the top 20 if not the top 10, and an old favorite, Pokemon Go. One game I lately started, Fate Grand Order, is now consistently on the top 100 if not top 50, outranking even War Robots. The more a game declines the more I am reluctant to invest on it since game longevity is a key reason for that spending. FEH is now my main whaling game, and damn its good to spend only a few rolls to catch the new legendary Ike and the new Xander in his swimming trunks. I will be busy with its first year anniversary event soon. This is the biggest tell that I have seen in awhile and would explain some of Pix/Mail.r.u's behavior and behavior pattern. As always this is just IMHO reasoning things out. Just prior to a published event participation will historically go up, call it a temporary spike. Free stuff and a way to catch up and check up on the game but fades directly after the event. BUT a fall to past 90 in game apps is a very serious indicator of rapid decline and would cause reactionary behavior out of Pix and Mail.r.u. to push an already flawed plan. On the one side they need to maintain and rebuild the user base and on the other they need to earn the ROIC that Mail.r.u. is seeking after its purchase. It's a vicious negative feedback loop...so where is the balancing or equalizing loop. That's the ironic thing. Failure is the balancing loop in this case. Failure means an end to the current business model of milking a now dying cow. It means an end to development efforts so updates will literally come to a screeching halt. (Test servers will remain but they will have MUCH longer runs as there is no rush or burning platform to satisfy.) WITH the death of the plan and the developers the game establishes a new balance and a new base. More importantly costs fall back to more manageable levels as developers are released and staff size is greatly reduced always your most expensive costs. No new tech costs either as the platform is locked save for standard software upgrade releases. Now the new focus becomes stabilizing the user base and seeing what happens... This involves dropping features such as TDM and KOTH that will come as a matter of course and my guess is that only Dom and BR will remain. This game in its original form, proved by the success of 6/6 league, was a successful and stable app even when left alone. Disturbing that balance has actually proven not only costly but ineffective and harmful. The effect is real profit loss not gain when you compare it to population level of the game. (Meaning they made more per person with less people playing than they have percentage to population wise after messing with it.) The game has been out since the mid 80's I believe on PC and only recently in the past 3 to 5 years come to the mobile app platform. (May have timing a bit wrong apologies.) But was in the top 50 to 20 performing apps. That is impressive. Translation: Again it made far more money per capital of dollar spending than it is making now. So for every dollar pix spent it was probably making $1.50 back which is enormous. MOST top performing companies can claim $1.15 per dollar spent. So my number is probably exaggerated but you get the point I hope. My point: Pix impending failure may very well be the only thing that saves it as it prevents any further meddling with a past proven stable platform.
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Feb 2, 2018 12:24:27 GMT -5
Mail.fu has no choice but to try and ride their race horse into a stroke.They will succeed.
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Post by U Camp = I Camp on Feb 2, 2018 12:30:47 GMT -5
*EJECT-*EJECT-*EJECT-*EJECT-*KAMIKAZE!!! GAWHHHHHHHH!!!!! Although KotH is not THAT bad.
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Post by bronzeknee on Feb 2, 2018 12:32:38 GMT -5
gothopie Android champ wait time for TDM from a week-ish ago. Booted me back to hangar without finding a game. Wow. I didn't play TDM solo, but once with my squad we waited 6 minutes which felt like forever so I told them this is ridiculous and we went back to random.
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Post by gothopie on Feb 6, 2018 6:27:06 GMT -5
I see my experience wasn't typical in the TDM queue. I didn't really like the game mode that much either, not compared to the others at least, one thing I must admit though, right now, when TDM does come up, I enjoy it way more than I used to (Diamond league, Android), maybe related to most of the players having mixed hangers, and not full teams of long rangers, so the battles are far more interesting this time around (to me at least).
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Post by kevmac on Feb 12, 2018 23:27:15 GMT -5
I hear you, it is quite an impressive pile we are looking at here. Those bots will make a big difference down the line. Most of us are just complaining about what we have had access to, KOH and the new random mode. Nobody has had to play against the Spectre or Strider or the new weapon yet, on the live server anyway. I run a Kumiho and a Haechi. To be honest, I don't like what they have done to the game. Everybody is dashing everywhere, that's just the new way to play. I am most fearful about the Strider actually. With 5 dashes, its just gonna be chaos. A good Haechi or Kumiho pilot could sneak up on you from way out with just 2 dashes, imagine 5. You will never be safe, you can never turn your back until you are so far out of range. It will just devolve the gameplay even further toward something I don't enjoy. It's to the point of if you don't own a dash bot you're at quite a disadvantage .I joined a new clan that's pretty serious and they have a lot of dashers and op weapons while my stuff is L 9,10, and I'm getting smoked in squad matches.I'm a little bit embarrassed cause i'm only an average player somewhat new to War Robots.But my only hope of a dash is through the events.
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Post by anjian on Feb 12, 2018 23:42:17 GMT -5
I hear you, it is quite an impressive pile we are looking at here. Those bots will make a big difference down the line. Most of us are just complaining about what we have had access to, KOH and the new random mode. Nobody has had to play against the Spectre or Strider or the new weapon yet, on the live server anyway. I run a Kumiho and a Haechi. To be honest, I don't like what they have done to the game. Everybody is dashing everywhere, that's just the new way to play. I am most fearful about the Strider actually. With 5 dashes, its just gonna be chaos. A good Haechi or Kumiho pilot could sneak up on you from way out with just 2 dashes, imagine 5. You will never be safe, you can never turn your back until you are so far out of range. It will just devolve the gameplay even further toward something I don't enjoy. It's to the point of if you don't own a dash bot you're at quite a disadvantage .I joined a new clan that's pretty serious and they have a lot of dashers and op weapons while my stuff is L 9,10, and I'm getting smoked in squad matches.I'm a little bit embarrassed cause i'm only an average player somewhat new to War Robots.But my only hope of a dash is through the events. May you get the dash you deserved. The game is becoming a game of haves and have nots. Have or Have not Dashes.
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