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Post by Cdr. Crimmins on Jan 10, 2018 17:13:42 GMT -5
Straight from the horses mouth was this last exchange I had when reporting my latest tanker experience.   Simply put, running L11 MkII gear in Diamond 1, when you have Legend League trophies on your profile, is A-OK. You are NOT tanking. You are NOT intentionally lowering your league level to fight players less equipped than you. 7.8 bots destroyed per match, over a million average damage and an 88% win rate are PERFECTLY NORMAL for Diamond 1 league play. Everything is working as intended. My complaints are done. I will continue to play as long as I am having fun. I love my clanmates and the 6 Pack League is a haven of sanity in a game gone corrupt. Though I won't do it myself, I now agree absolutely with those who say tanking is legitimate and intended behavior, blessed by the game developers themselves. |
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Post by mechtout on Jan 10, 2018 17:17:36 GMT -5
Lol fkn pix....
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Post by squatch on Jan 10, 2018 17:29:35 GMT -5
That response should surprise me but it really doesnt. I honestly believe pix will do nothing about tanking. They want tanking so newer player will be encouraged to spend money to beat these type of unethical players.
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Post by rollinfknpower on Jan 10, 2018 17:31:50 GMT -5
I guess my hanger is a silver league hanger then. I only have one mk2 weapon.
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Post by ᎶƦ℮℮ƊᎽ ƤΛƝƊΛ on Jan 10, 2018 17:52:46 GMT -5
The best part about tanking, is while you wasted your time filling out a report comment about us, we've finished 2 more matches, gotten 1.5mil more Ag, and watched a couple videos for free stuff!  |
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Post by Bui Dui on Jan 10, 2018 18:08:19 GMT -5
If this is the same picture you sent them and there was nothing else, I can explain.
From their point of view you didn't report a tank, but a person with very advanced hangar in a league that is, by you thoughts, inapropriate for playing this hangar. That is why they wrote the definition for a tank so you can compare it to what your can prove from your picture. There can be many reason why he is in a lower league than he was before. Imagine any. Maybe he is a bad player since DIES got indroduced and gets overrun by it all the time, maybe he had bad connection for like 50 games in a row etc.
I think he is a tank, too, but I can't know it for sure, so I understand why pix answered you like this and I probably would have done the same, judging from what you showed them.
Edit: looking from the same point of view, a public admitting of tanking in, for an example, a forum like this, can be used as such proof. Better then a picture of hangar.
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Post by Cdr. Crimmins on Jan 10, 2018 18:11:01 GMT -5
If this is the same picture you sent them and there was nothing else, I can explain. From their point of view you didn't report a tank, but a person with very advanced hangar in a league that is, by you thoughts, inapropriate for playing this hangar. That is why they wrote the definition for a tank so you can compare it to what your can prove from your picture. There can be many reason why he is in a lower league than he was before. Imagine any. Maybe he is a bad player since DIES got indroduced and gets overrun by it all the time, maybe he had bad connection for like 50 games in a row etc. I think he is a tank, too, but I can't know it for sure, so I understand why pix answered you like this and I probably would have done the same, judging from what you showed them. I posted this below the hangar pic.  Plus, we’ll, there are his current and prior stats. Sort of blows a hole in the whole 'maybe he's just a bad player or having a run of bad luck' argument. Fact is, his stats show that he is surfacing for a breath here, before beginning another dive deep into the leagues. |
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Post by Bui Dui on Jan 10, 2018 18:19:34 GMT -5
If this is the same picture you sent them and there was nothing else, I can explain. From their point of view you didn't report a tank, but a person with very advanced hangar in a league that is, by you thoughts, inapropriate for playing this hangar. That is why they wrote the definition for a tank so you can compare it to what your can prove from your picture. There can be many reason why he is in a lower league than he was before. Imagine any. Maybe he is a bad player since DIES got indroduced and gets overrun by it all the time, maybe he had bad connection for like 50 games in a row etc. I think he is a tank, too, but I can't know it for sure, so I understand why pix answered you like this and I probably would have done the same, judging from what you showed them. I posted this below the hangar pic. Plus, we’ll, there are his current and prior stats. Sort of blows a hole in the whole 'maybe he's just a bad player or having a run of bad luck' argument. Fact is, his stats show that he is surfacing for a breath here, before beginning another dive deep into the leagues. Have you reported someone at some point so that your and pixs thoughts about this person being a tank were the same? Something to compare with this situation.. Sorry to say that, but I can still see why this could be not enough to prove what you said to them. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 18:37:50 GMT -5
If this is the same picture you sent them and there was nothing else, I can explain. From their point of view you didn't report a tank, but a person with very advanced hangar in a league that is, by you thoughts, inapropriate for playing this hangar. That is why they wrote the definition for a tank so you can compare it to what your can prove from your picture. There can be many reason why he is in a lower league than he was before. Imagine any. Maybe he is a bad player since DIES got indroduced and gets overrun by it all the time, maybe he had bad connection for like 50 games in a row etc. I think he is a tank, too, but I can't know it for sure, so I understand why pix answered you like this and I probably would have done the same, judging from what you showed them. Edit: looking from the same point of view, a public admitting of tanking in, for an example, a forum like this, can be used as such proof. Better then a picture of hangar. Lol.. Can't you see the real picture He must have dropped down to bronze leauge and then started climbing so that he could have enough Ag to level all the gear to mk2 12. Look at his number of victories, no way he could have enough silver for mk2. And RM for silver is insanely huge. it's normal practice for tankers, they drop either for gold, silver, some drop for supperchest etc. Vey few player drop to beat noobs, and if they do then you will find them in between bronze to gold leauge. I have seen some clanmate to accumulate 400 to 500 ag while climbing from bronze to champion leauge. So he must be acquiring silver for mk2 level 12. All top android clan have large number of tankers. Even their leaders are extreme tankers, you can see their hangars. |
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Post by T34 on Jan 10, 2018 19:56:09 GMT -5
If this is the same picture you sent them and there was nothing else, I can explain. From their point of view you didn't report a tank, but a person with very advanced hangar in a league that is, by you thoughts, inapropriate for playing this hangar. That is why they wrote the definition for a tank so you can compare it to what your can prove from your picture. There can be many reason why he is in a lower league than he was before. Imagine any. Maybe he is a bad player since DIES got indroduced and gets overrun by it all the time, maybe he had bad connection for like 50 games in a row etc. I think he is a tank, too, but I can't know it for sure, so I understand why pix answered you like this and I probably would have done the same, judging from what you showed them. Edit: looking from the same point of view, a public admitting of tanking in, for an example, a forum like this, can be used as such proof. Better then a picture of hangar. Lol.. Can't you see the real picture He must have dropped down to bronze leauge and then started climbing so that he could have enough Ag to level all the gear to mk2 12. Look at his number of victories, no way he could have enough silver for mk2. And RM for silver is insanely huge. it's normal practice for tankers, they drop either for gold, silver, some drop for supperchest etc. Vey few player drop to beat noobs, and if they do then you will find them in between bronze to gold leauge. I have seen some clanmate to accumulate 400 to 500 ag while climbing from bronze to champion leauge. So he must be acquiring silver for mk2 level 12. All top android clan have large number of tankers. Even their leaders are extreme tankers, you can see their hangars. Just semantics (not you samoe). Everyone knows thatâs a tanker. The hard/uncomfortable part here for some is the acceptance of the most likely possibility (that that guy is a tanker) and then the implications that brings in relation to the correspondence and finally the most obvious conclusion in regards to the nature of the game. Realisation of an undesired reality is a 「female dog」 but in some cases it does not lead to acceptance. |
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Post by Gdu4ever on Jan 10, 2018 20:19:21 GMT -5
Soooo...we have one clue of the official definition of tanker now.
"player is in the Diamond league, so he/she CANNOT be considered as a 'Tanker'."
Well noted Pix. We hear you, loud and clear.
May I suggest the forum to update the Glossary:
Tanking #2: "The intentional process of performing poorly to lower oneself below Diamond league on the matchmaking rankings."
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Post by The VVatcher on Jan 10, 2018 20:34:03 GMT -5
Wow.
I think we really have to accept that tanking is part of the game.
You should ask them to give you an example of a tanker. It’s clear they define them differently. My guess is it’s someone that goes really low in the leagues. Whatever the cut off is, it’s not considered tanking if you’re above it.
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Post by Cdr. Crimmins on Jan 10, 2018 20:42:18 GMT -5
I posted this below the hangar pic. Plus, we’ll, there are his current and prior stats. Sort of blows a hole in the whole 'maybe he's just a bad player or having a run of bad luck' argument. Fact is, his stats show that he is surfacing for a breath here, before beginning another dive deep into the leagues. Have you reported someone at some point so that your and pixs thoughts about this person being a tank were the same? Something to compare with this situation.. Sorry to say that, but I can still see why this could be not enough to prove what you said to them. To my knowledge Pix has never punished anyone for tanking. I've had Pix tell me that XYZ is in the LPQ despite my screenshots showing them getting rewards and not squadded. I've had Pix tell me dozens of times they are looking into it and then.... nothing. Ever. I've had Pix reassure me that the LPQ will catch them, despite the fact that the pilots aren't doing the things that get you in there. I used to write a nice little statement but now I just send it in with just the word 'Tanker'. I've sent them screenies of pilots in Private, Bronze, Silver, you name it with full Mk II maxed gear. Nothing happens. No bans. No nothing. They don't care. I send them in for me, not because I believe anything will come of it. I've sreenshotted every summary screen of mine since mid January last year, over 2800 of them. And put the stats into a Google sheet. It shows that tankers have affected 39% of all of my matches since then. So that's why a few extra screenshots here and there is no biggie for me. |
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Post by BLYTHE on Jan 10, 2018 20:46:10 GMT -5
If I went down to Diamond League with my hangar, I would totally annihilate everyone it would be embarrassing for me. Point is, some play to win (by any means), some for the challenge (win or lose), and other to accumulate resources.
To each his (or her) own I guess...
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Post by Paps on Jan 10, 2018 21:26:33 GMT -5
Finally!
I can realize my dream of tanking down to diamond league and NOT being considered a tanker.
Thanks Pixonic, my consience can remain clear!
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Post by Ember on Jan 10, 2018 21:52:59 GMT -5
That Mexico clan is among the most notorious...as one of them said to me, "It's strategy."
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Post by Shahmatt on Jan 10, 2018 22:56:46 GMT -5
Was that an automated reply or did some human actually type it out for ya?
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Post by bronzeknee on Jan 10, 2018 23:17:34 GMT -5
Wow. I think we really have to accept that tanking is part of the game. I accepted it long ago, but I don't think of it as tanking. It is farming. Either you farm to get to the top, you pay, or you die to those that do. |
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Post by ΒΣRΖΣRKΛ²³ on Jan 10, 2018 23:25:27 GMT -5
Wow. I think we really have to accept that tanking is part of the game. I accepted it long ago, but I don't think of it as tanking. It is farming. Either you farm to get to the top, you pay, or you die to those that do. That’s what it is |
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Post by zer00eyz on Jan 10, 2018 23:27:26 GMT -5
Straight from the horses mouth was this last exchange I had when reporting my latest tanker experience. Simply put, running L11 MkII gear in Diamond 1, when you have Legend League trophies on your profile, is A-OK. You are NOT tanking. You are NOT intentionally lowering your league level to fight players less equipped than you. 7.8 bots destroyed per match, over a million average damage and an 88% win rate are PERFECTLY NORMAL for Diamond 1 league play. Everything is working as intended. My complaints are done. I will continue to play as long as I am having fun. I love my clanmates and the 6 Pack League is a haven of sanity in a game gone corrupt. Though I won't do it myself, I now agree absolutely with those who say tanking is legitimate and intended behavior, blessed by the game developers themselves. It has been a YEAR -- this isn't a bug in the system it is a feature. Pix made it clear when they put in new player protections around private and (to a lesser extent) bronze and handed out banns for folks who went down that far that the line was down there. LPQ is to prevent you from just ditching --- you have to put some effort in to play your way down, or to stay down if you are there. The real problem here is this: the system is broken but it isn't abused badly enough, by enough people, to make a bit of difference in the bulk of games - Tankers in 1 of 10 or 1 of 20 games IS NOT a lot. And the reality is that it is impacting a SMALL number of people (those on the loosing side of the tankers antics). I assure you that the decisions around "tanking" are driven by numbers and data -- and inspite of the complaints of this forum the problem isn't as bad as folks would like to make it out to be. Don't hate the player, hate the game. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 23:37:57 GMT -5
1) Pix does not want to stop clubbing. If you believe they do, you are being naive.
2). Follow this guy and look him up in 30 days. I guarantee you he will be in bronze. Report it again and see what they say.
3). Kudos on getting an actual response as laughable as it is. The times I've bothered reporting things like my 1 vs 6 matches when a tanker clan all punched out I just got the automated 「fluffernutter」 off they send to everyone.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 23:38:43 GMT -5
「fluffernutter」 it...go tank.
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Post by T34 on Jan 11, 2018 1:00:41 GMT -5
The real problem here is this: the system is broken but it isn't abused badly enough, by enough people, to make a bit of difference in the bulk of games - Tankers in 1 of 10 or 1 of 20 games IS NOT a lot. And the reality is that it is impacting a SMALL number of people (those on the loosing side of the tankers antics). I assure you that the decisions around "tanking" are driven by numbers and data -- and inspite of the complaints of this forum the problem isn't as bad as folks would like to make it out to be. Don't hate the player, hate the game. ^This!!!!! |
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Post by snk on Jan 11, 2018 2:01:13 GMT -5
Good news for me, if all DIESS MKII tank, then Champions League is going back to 10/11 12/12 match.
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Post by Tatamat on Jan 11, 2018 2:01:55 GMT -5
Straight from the horses mouth was this last exchange I had when reporting my latest tanker experience. Simply put, running L11 MkII gear in Diamond 1, when you have Legend League trophies on your profile, is A-OK. You are NOT tanking. You are NOT intentionally lowering your league level to fight players less equipped than you. 7.8 bots destroyed per match, over a million average damage and an 88% win rate are PERFECTLY NORMAL for Diamond 1 league play. Everything is working as intended. My complaints are done. I will continue to play as long as I am having fun. I love my clanmates and the 6 Pack League is a haven of sanity in a game gone corrupt. Though I won't do it myself, I now agree absolutely with those who say tanking is legitimate and intended behavior, blessed by the game developers themselves. Hey man, are you joking? Look at that poor boy's hangar! None of his bots is even Mk2, none of his weps has reached the standard Mk2 level 12! And have you seen his Hover? Laughable. Also, he has only one deck, so the poor fellow has to change his hangar manually each time he wants to go down, instead of just clicking on #2 deck - 1 lvl1 unarmed Cossack... On top of all that, he's so brave to fight in DIAMOND! No. This is NOT a true tanker. I'll find you a better one. In the meantime - take care! |
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Jan 11, 2018 7:41:14 GMT -5
The solution to Tanking is to supply box 300 gold, 500 components and 10 million silver per day to everyone in Champ League regardless of win or lose. Otherwise the turds will go down to bronze to get it. If you think I am joking I am not. And that is why tanking will never die. Pix will not pay out that amount in the top league to attract the would be baby slappers.
The other cure is to allow no player to back down more than 3 full leagues from their highest attained no matter what.
And Tanking/smurfing is in every game.
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Post by Domino on Jan 11, 2018 10:07:00 GMT -5
Like anywhere you might get someone who is clueless behind the chair. IDK it doesn't take a genius to see how toxic it is to the game
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Post by F-A-H-Q on Jan 11, 2018 10:09:57 GMT -5
I played my wifes IOS account for the event to help her out in silver, it was full of Mexico, funny enough she got a clan invite from them (I put some pain on them), also a bunch of chinese clans were down there as well.
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Post by Loganspawn on Jan 11, 2018 10:33:20 GMT -5
Straight from the horses mouth was this last exchange I had when reporting my latest tanker experience. Simply put, running L11 MkII gear in Diamond 1, when you have Legend League trophies on your profile, is A-OK. You are NOT tanking. You are NOT intentionally lowering your league level to fight players less equipped than you. 7.8 bots destroyed per match, over a million average damage and an 88% win rate are PERFECTLY NORMAL for Diamond 1 league play. Everything is working as intended. My complaints are done. I will continue to play as long as I am having fun. I love my clanmates and the 6 Pack League is a haven of sanity in a game gone corrupt. Though I won't do it myself, I now agree absolutely with those who say tanking is legitimate and intended behavior, blessed by the game developers themselves. I still keep reporting them daily until Pix bans me. |
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Post by Loganspawn on Jan 11, 2018 10:39:32 GMT -5
Straight from the horses mouth was this last exchange I had when reporting my latest tanker experience. Simply put, running L11 MkII gear in Diamond 1, when you have Legend League trophies on your profile, is A-OK. You are NOT tanking. You are NOT intentionally lowering your league level to fight players less equipped than you. 7.8 bots destroyed per match, over a million average damage and an 88% win rate are PERFECTLY NORMAL for Diamond 1 league play. Everything is working as intended. My complaints are done. I will continue to play as long as I am having fun. I love my clanmates and the 6 Pack League is a haven of sanity in a game gone corrupt. Though I won't do it myself, I now agree absolutely with those who say tanking is legitimate and intended behavior, blessed by the game developers themselves. Hey man, are you joking? Look at that poor boy's hangar! None of his bots is even Mk2, none of his weps has reached the standard Mk2 level 12! And have you seen his Hover? Laughable. Also, he has only one deck, so the poor fellow has to change his hangar manually each time he wants to go down, instead of just clicking on #2 deck - 1 lvl1 unarmed Cossack... On top of all that, he's so brave to fight in DIAMOND! No. This is NOT a true tanker. I'll find you a better one. In the meantime - take care! HAHAHAH |
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