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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2017 10:18:00 GMT -5
Had a match in Yamantau like 2hrs ago, came out 4th place on the scoreboard, checked everyone's hanger/league and I saw this: Gold guys hanger: What I'm concerned about is why I'm seeing a Gold league guy playing together with bronze/silver and I'm not shaming him or anything, it's just that I just find it odd. I'm not going to post everyone's hanger from that match here for reasons and don't ask why my in-game name is blank either. I know World Of Tanks has a Tier based MM system like Tier 5 tanks see Tier 7 tanks, so I thought is that the case here? Also the tanker on the red team:
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Post by Jame-thon on Dec 21, 2017 10:21:28 GMT -5
Why the secret, be proud of your IGN lol. But in my opinion TDM isn't as popular as BR or Dom, so the player pool may be smaller to draw from in terms of matchmaking so there may be a more disparity with that. Just my opinion on that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2017 10:25:43 GMT -5
Why the secret, be proud of your IGN lol. But in my opinion TDM isn't as popular as BR or Dom, so the player pool may be smaller to draw from in terms of matchmaking so there may be a more disparity with that. Just my opinion on that. Edited the 1st post for the tanker on the red team. I find having a name to be pointless and makes no difference if I have one or not. If anything, it's unfair because the Gold guy has 5 slots, the 2nd silver guy below him has an LV7 Lancelot and if they were on the red team then my team would be crushed easily. Look at the scores to see what I mean.
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Post by Jame-thon on Dec 21, 2017 11:07:17 GMT -5
even with the mixed squads the same or similar make up should be on the other side. there are always going to be different talents skills and weapons on both sides.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2017 11:49:40 GMT -5
First we need to know the difference between WoT and War Robots.
WoT has over 450+ tanks available meaning a large number of tanks per tier. War Robots does not have but about 27 bots with light, medium, and heavy stats with unique characteristics for specials such as dash, rush, etc. In WoT you can change turrets, guns, tracks, and engine but the actual affect on the tank is negligible compared to the difference of a level 6 Griffin vs a level 12 MK2 Griffin. Thus matching tanks doesn't change drastically due to "leveling". An example would be a fully upgraded Tiger I won't "death button" a zero upgraded Tiger I (unless ammo racked) every time while the MK2 Griffin with DB weapons will destroy a fresh Griffin pretty much every time. Of course in WoT every shot has to count so a skilled fresh Tiger I could take out a fully loaded Tiger I while a noobless wonder could fling hydra's and aphid's all day from a low level Griffin and take an MK2 out...but that is another story.
War Robots is supposed to look at the total level of a hangar to make matches and I am pretty sure this is complete bull?poo-poo?. MK2 Silver league "tanking" idiots are around as well as single bot hangars in Expert matches. While player level is supposed to affect where you stand it only does any good in keeping you from getting better bots, WSP, or anything else limited to a higher player level.
The real matchmaking in War Robots is by league level and your current league ranking. This is why we see "tanking" and why the matchmaker is completely useless and you may get decent battles 1-2 times out of every 5 with the rest being drawn out leaver/quitter morons and seal clubbing jackwagons screwing up the matches. Player skill level ranking is non-existent in War Robots. Wins and losses in a team game do not give an accurate description of skill level. However since Pixonic does show kills, caps, and damage they could actually create skill level rankings that make sense...but I am pretty sure they are not smart enough to figure that out. Game has been out for years and their matchmaking is still ?poo-poo?.
You should not see extreme swings in league levels in matches with domination or beacon rush but it does happen and I have seen a lot worse than what you have posted especially if there are squads. I would be less concerned with what league someone is in and more towards what their number of victories, max damage, and their last 50 battles stats are. Seeing someone with 2000+ victories, max damage of 2M+, and then last 50 way below 40% and low damage average would suggest a "tanking" tard has come to seal club.
In your above screenshots the gold guy probably spent some real cash to get the 5000 Au for a fifth slot or he won it. He has leveled up pretty quick and has some pretty expensive bots...won or real money? Your tanker guy is just an idiot...and looks more like a setup for beacon running. If you want to die fast you don't put ECU's on. Additionally he is one of two with no tickets collected. Probably LQ. This is probably normal matchmaking for TDM. I would stop playing it and pick domination or BR. I get more kills in those modes and there are beacons that can give you gold.
There is nothing fair in War Robots. It is just bots and boosting/tanking ?fluffy bunny? stains.
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Post by Anon O. Mous on Dec 21, 2017 11:54:37 GMT -5
TDM will probably have a pretty limited player base at first. I would think that the MM will become more selective, as the player base increases.
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Post by Browncoats4ever on Dec 21, 2017 11:56:57 GMT -5
I just finished a battle where I was the lowest league member. I just became Silver I, in my last matchup there was a Diamond league and the rest were Gold I and II. I came in fourth place. I guess it's good practice but you would think there would be at least one other Silver out of 12 participants.
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Post by Koalabear on Dec 21, 2017 11:57:05 GMT -5
Look at it this way. At least you're not playing with Diamond and Expert! And the equipment levels on the Gold person look fair.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2017 12:01:06 GMT -5
even with the mixed squads the same or similar make up should be on the other side. there are always going to be different talents skills and weapons on both sides. so skill is also a factor in the War Robots MM?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2017 12:02:41 GMT -5
Look at it this way. At least you're not playing with Diamond and Expert! And the equipment levels on the Gold person look fair. He has the upper-hand because he has 5 slots, while the others have 3 or 4.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2017 12:05:15 GMT -5
TDM will probably have a pretty limited player base at first. I would think that the MM will become more selective, as the player base increases. Yeah, it's going to take time for people to update to the latest version. For the time being, it'll have to do for now because I'm not a fan of this uneven league system MM. take modern combat 5 for example...newbies face players level 120 which is absolutely unfair.
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Post by Anon O. Mous on Dec 21, 2017 12:08:25 GMT -5
TDM will probably have a pretty limited player base at first. I would think that the MM will become more selective, as the player base increases. Yeah, it's going to take time for people to update to the latest version. For the time being, it'll have to do for now because I'm not a fan of this uneven league system MM. take modern combat 5 for example...newbies face players level 120 which is absolutely horse dung. That was a brazen thing to say. Using "horse dung" is pretty strong language. One might even say that you're a potty mouth.
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Post by Jame-thon on Dec 21, 2017 12:30:10 GMT -5
even with the mixed squads the same or similar make up should be on the other side. there are always going to be different talents skills and weapons on both sides. so skill is also a factor in the War Robots MM? No no, never implied or was saying that. The MM is just based off of leagues and win % are factored in as well among little things here and there. While someone in a lower level league doesn't mean his gear couldn't possibly be higher than someone in a higher league than him. That indirectly implies there could be someone in a higher league with better skills than someone in a lower league with higher level weapons and lesser skills. Also you have to factor in people who are "tanking" or purposely dropping leagues to farm for resources or task related events to win awards since the game doesn't care or have any type of system for those sort of players with those goals in mind. MM has been a hot topic for the longest time and it's tough especially during events when people have different oriented goals in mind. Best approach is to team up in pairs or full squad to mitigate some of that imo. Good luck to you.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2017 12:30:17 GMT -5
@defender2803 great post and well explained it's post like yours, T34's and Heathen Cat's that I like to read the most with valuable information about the game system.
Thank you for clarifying up the MM question, this whole time I thought it was skill based MM, with leagues only being no more than a showcase of skill and experience. hence why matches got very difficult when I'm on win streaks or unless I'm facing tankers/seal clubbers trolling in low leagues.
If it's truly league and rating based then I should have no problem getting to Gold 1 or higher right?
Also, Pixonic doesn't do DEV videos like some games do so gathering key information about the game is tricky.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2017 12:33:32 GMT -5
Yeah, it's going to take time for people to update to the latest version. For the time being, it'll have to do for now because I'm not a fan of this uneven league system MM. take modern combat 5 for example...newbies face players level 120 which is absolutely horse dung. That was a brazen thing to say. Using "horse dung" is pretty strong language. One might even say that you're a potty mouth. ;) I apologize if that offended you, man. I will remove it.
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Post by Anon O. Mous on Dec 21, 2017 12:34:59 GMT -5
That was a brazen thing to say. Using "horse dung" is pretty strong language. One might even say that you're a potty mouth. I apologize if that offended you, man. I will remove it. I hope you realize that I was joking.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2017 12:44:13 GMT -5
I apologize if that offended you, man. I will remove it. I hope you realize that I was joking. Oh man, I'm trying to stay on the good side of the Moderators, so they don't kick my rear. Because I'm aware that I broke the "Excessive profanity/working around the profanity filter" rule of the REVISED FORUM CODE OF CONDUCT 3/8/2017 so many times already ?.
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Post by zer00eyz on Dec 21, 2017 13:18:50 GMT -5
TDM will probably have a pretty limited player base at first. I would think that the MM will become more selective, as the player base increases. TDM increasing player base? Your joking right? Why do people play TDM? - Failure to understand beacons (territory control)
- Don't like being team players
- Want to camp/park/hide
- Are trying to fade/tank
What about this screams "player base increase"
Fixing or limiting the maps doesn't fix what is wrong with TDM -
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2017 13:34:19 GMT -5
TDM will probably have a pretty limited player base at first. I would think that the MM will become more selective, as the player base increases. TDM increasing player base? Your joking right? Why do people play TDM? - Failure to understand beacons (territory control)
- Don't like being team players
- Want to camp/park/hide
- Are trying to fade/tank
What about this screams "player base increase"
Fixing or limiting the maps doesn't fix what is wrong with TDM -
Because there is only one objective in TDM which is killing and it's easier to focus on one thing at a time. I prefer TDM over BR and DOM.
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Post by zer00eyz on Dec 21, 2017 14:07:22 GMT -5
TDM increasing player base? Your joking right? Why do people play TDM? - Failure to understand beacons (territory control)
- Don't like being team players
- Want to camp/park/hide
- Are trying to fade/tank
What about this screams "player base increase"
Fixing or limiting the maps doesn't fix what is wrong with TDM -
Because there is only one objective in TDM which is killing and it's easier to focus on one thing at a time. I prefer TDM over BR and DOM. Do you have trouble walking and chewing gum at the same time? Based on your input I'll modify my original statement to be. Why do people play TDM? - Failure to understand beacons (territory control)
- Don't like being team players
- Want to camp/park/hide
- Are trying to fade/tank
- They are dumb
Thankfully I'm working at home today, so I don't have to explain to anyone why I just spent the last 5 minutes laughing out loud
Let me just close with this final thought:
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Post by Kanshou on Dec 21, 2017 14:18:12 GMT -5
Because there is only one objective in TDM which is killing and it's easier to focus on one thing at a time. I prefer TDM over BR and DOM. Do you have trouble walking and chewing gum at the same time? Based on your input I'll modify my original statement to be. Why do people play TDM? - Failure to understand beacons (territory control)
- Don't like being team players
- Want to camp/park/hide
- Are trying to fade/tank
- They are dumb
Thankfully I'm working at home today, so I don't have to explain to anyone why I just spent the last 5 minutes laughing out loud
Let me just close with this final thought:
I think you are being out of line here to go as far to call someone who plays TDM dumb. People have different tastes and what they are looking for in entertainment may be different from yours, but by no means are they dumb for playing what they enjoy. I like TDM because I like to blow up bots.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Dec 21, 2017 14:19:19 GMT -5
Because there is only one objective in TDM which is killing and it's easier to focus on one thing at a time. I prefer TDM over BR and DOM. Do you have trouble walking and chewing gum at the same time? Based on your input I'll modify my original statement to be. Why do people play TDM? - Failure to understand beacons (territory control)
- Don't like being team players
- Want to camp/park/hide
- Are trying to fade/tank
- They are dumb
Thankfully I'm working at home today, so I don't have to explain to anyone why I just spent the last 5 minutes laughing out loud
Let me just close with this final thought:
Quite harsh and elitist Zero. I understand Beacons, at least I'd like to think so... and I enjoy TDM. It's different and allows for different gameplay focus. There is a different experience when you get a good team vs a good team on TDM... You have to work together and play the game in its most pure form... fighting bots. If you don't like it and feel that it is beneath you, great. Enjoy that high horse. Insulting folks for liking things that don't meet your standards is pretty petty, and frankly, more indicative of being lower than the folk you are insulting. IMO, YMMV
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Post by Anon O. Mous on Dec 21, 2017 14:24:07 GMT -5
Well said, ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48. I don't plan to play TDM much, if at all, but I'm not going to bag on those that do. It's the same for those who prefer Dom or BR. To each his/her own.
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Post by sanr on Dec 21, 2017 14:51:14 GMT -5
TDM will probably have a pretty limited player base at first. I would think that the MM will become more selective, as the player base increases. Yeah, it's going to take time for people to update to the latest version. For the time being, it'll have to do for now because I'm not a fan of this uneven league system MM. take modern combat 5 for example...newbies face players level 120 which is absolutely unfair. I agree with you on the MC5. I played it for a few days, and kept thinking 「whiskey tango foxtrot」 was happening. Neeedless to say I hit the uninstall button.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2017 14:57:51 GMT -5
@defender2803 great post and well explained it's post like yours, T34's and Heathen Cat's that I like to read the most with valuable information about the game system. Thank you for clarifying up the MM question, this whole time I thought it was skill based MM, with leagues only being no more than a showcase of skill and experience. hence why matches got very difficult when I'm on win streaks or unless I'm facing tankers/seal clubbers trolling in low leagues. If it's truly league and rating based then I should have no problem getting to Gold 1 or higher right? Also, Pixonic doesn't do DEV videos like some games do so gathering key information about the game is tricky. Learn from forums like these and see what works best for you. Additionally YouTube videos help with learning any game. One thing in games is to evaluate your own performance. Should I have jumped like that? Should I have gone for what beacon first? Did I evaluate the reds speed, size of target before engaging? Am I in a brawler or a sniper? TDM, BR, or dom? What map am I on? I don't see any problem with getting to whatever league you want to get to. It all depends on what you learn, what bots work for you, how much time you put in, and how old will you be when you get all MK2 bots and weapons.
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Post by zer00eyz on Dec 21, 2017 15:29:54 GMT -5
ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 & KanshouIf you go back to OP's statement you can note that it is viable to several interpretations: one is mundane and normal the other is a subtle implication that he is "a bit slow" or "stupid" - That second interpretation makes his statement a double entendre (not always sexual in nature) -- In responding to him I chose to use a proverb (walking and chewing gum) as the first part of my response. It is a style of humor called a "wellerism": an example of witch you may be familiar with, is "thats what she said". Clearly though the two of you missed this and took a more literal interpretation, but I left you another clue in my response. An admission that I was literally laughing at my own joke for far too long and to hard. To the point where if witnesses were present it would have been actually embarrassing. Finally, I included a video, one that should have been the final bit of context that said "humor" and not "serious" one that should have been a footnote to what was an otherwise funny post. At this juncture I can only assume that the education that has just been given to you has made you smarter. However I advise that you refrain from reading too much into this, if you grow your intellect any further it may reduce your chances of enjoying TDM in the future. Portions of this post are satire, if you need help figuring out witch ones, just ask.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Dec 21, 2017 15:33:14 GMT -5
ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 & Kanshou If you go back to OP's statement you can note that it is viable to several interpretations: one is mundane and normal the other is a subtle implication that he is "a bit slow" or "stupid" - That second interpretation makes his statement a double entendre (not always sexual in nature) -- In responding to him I chose to use a proverb (walking and chewing gum) as the first part of my response. It is a style of humor called a "wellerism": an example of witch you may be familiar with, is "thats what she said". Clearly though the two of you missed this and took a more literal interpretation, but I left you another clue in my response. An admission that I was literally laughing at my own joke for far too long and to hard. To the point where if witnesses were present it would have been actually embarrassing. Finally, I included a video, one that should have been the final bit of context that said "humor" and not "serious" one that should have been a footnote to what was an otherwise funny post. At this juncture I can only assume that the education that has just been given to you has made you smarter. However I advise that you refrain from reading too much into this, if you grow your intellect any further it may reduce your chances of enjoying TDM in the future. Portions of this post are satire, if you need help figuring out witch ones, just ask. Ahhh, so for those of us, again, too dumb to get your humor, instead of just saying, "just joking," you had to again point out that we are too dumb. Good show. Humorous.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2017 15:45:57 GMT -5
ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 & Kanshou If you go back to OP's statement you can note that it is viable to several interpretations: one is mundane and normal the other is a subtle implication that he is "a bit slow" or "stupid" - That second interpretation makes his statement a double entendre (not always sexual in nature) -- In responding to him I chose to use a proverb (walking and chewing gum) as the first part of my response. It is a style of humor called a "wellerism": an example of witch you may be familiar with, is "thats what she said". Clearly though the two of you missed this and took a more literal interpretation, but I left you another clue in my response. An admission that I was literally laughing at my own joke for far too long and to hard. To the point where if witnesses were present it would have been actually embarrassing. Finally, I included a video, one that should have been the final bit of context that said "humor" and not "serious" one that should have been a footnote to what was an otherwise funny post. At this juncture I can only assume that the education that has just been given to you has made you smarter. However I advise that you refrain from reading too much into this, if you grow your intellect any further it may reduce your chances of enjoying TDM in the future. Portions of this post are satire, if you need help figuring out witch ones, just ask.
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Post by zer00eyz on Dec 21, 2017 16:10:34 GMT -5
ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 & Kanshou If you go back to OP's statement you can note that it is viable to several interpretations: one is mundane and normal the other is a subtle implication that he is "a bit slow" or "stupid" - That second interpretation makes his statement a double entendre (not always sexual in nature) -- In responding to him I chose to use a proverb (walking and chewing gum) as the first part of my response. It is a style of humor called a "wellerism": an example of witch you may be familiar with, is "thats what she said". Clearly though the two of you missed this and took a more literal interpretation, but I left you another clue in my response. An admission that I was literally laughing at my own joke for far too long and to hard. To the point where if witnesses were present it would have been actually embarrassing. Finally, I included a video, one that should have been the final bit of context that said "humor" and not "serious" one that should have been a footnote to what was an otherwise funny post. At this juncture I can only assume that the education that has just been given to you has made you smarter. However I advise that you refrain from reading too much into this, if you grow your intellect any further it may reduce your chances of enjoying TDM in the future. Portions of this post are satire, if you need help figuring out witch ones, just ask. Ahhh, so for those of us, again, too dumb to get your humor, instead of just saying, "just joking," you had to again point out that we are too dumb. Good show. Humorous. Yes, I did - just for your further edification this is called a "callback" and is a very common technique in modern comedy see: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Callback_(comedy)I can feel your enjoyment of TDM fading away with every post.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2017 16:29:48 GMT -5
I think zer00eyz that you may have missed the original point. TDM doesn't increase the game's playerbase, but rather, it increases the playerbase selecting BR/Dom mode. I would guess last week, the player base divides 60/40 between those that play BR and those that play DOM. Combining those and introducing TDM likely makes the split more like 90/10, so there are more players available for BR/DOM than before when they were select-able. But enough of my jibber jabber. Now, where are those mouth breathing, Hydra weilding TDM lovers, so I can put this "kick me" sign on someone's arse!
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