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Post by bronzeknee on Dec 2, 2017 21:55:01 GMT -5
Don't say I didn't warn you guys...
The Storm is to the Thunder what the Shocktrain is to the Zeus. Medium weapons are taking over.
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Post by vin5240 on Dec 2, 2017 22:06:00 GMT -5
Thunder has more spread while storm has less and fires faster. Also, the bulgasari in the vid has some of the thunder hitting the shield, but even without I think the bulg would've won. Also, the shocktrain is to the trebuchet as scourge is to the zeus except scourge is dps while zeus is burst. I also feel like the only suitable bot for the storm weapon are the korean bots because you need something that will allow you to quickly get close to your enemy like how a thunder carnage has its rush ability.
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I did some testing for comparing the storm and thunder:
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Level 12 Storm: 8832 damage per shot | 15 rounds in 10 seconds = 132,480 total damage | Reload time = 10 seconds
Level 12 Thunder: 14,720 damage per shot | 9 rounds in 10 seconds = 132,480 total damage | Reload time = 10 seconds
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So I'm pretty sure the reason the bulgasari won was because it's side shield blocked some of the hits from the fury's thunder.
Conclusion - storm does same amount of damage as thunders in 10 seconds which is the total amount they can fire in a full clip before going into a slow state of firing. The storm would actually be better in cases where the enemy has a sliver of hp left and it comes down to whoever lands the shot first. Also, I tried looking at the spread for the storm and thunder and they seem about the same.
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Post by bronzeknee on Dec 2, 2017 22:40:30 GMT -5
If they do the same damage over time, then the Storm is superior, it is a medium weapon.
Balance literally doesn't exist in this game.
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Post by vin5240 on Dec 2, 2017 22:44:48 GMT -5
If they do the same damage over time, then the Storm is superior, it is a medium weapon. Balance literally doesn't exist in this game. I actually saved up enough to get the storm from components I got in bronze chest and I did some testing to see how long it can fire before entering a slow state of firing and how many shots they were able to fire off and I calculated at lvl.12 they did the same damage. Base of those numbers....looks like I'm storing my 11/11 thunder carnage and making a storm kumiho then...has same damage output, more hp, and the dash can compensate for the ancile by dodging rockets. |
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Post by BastionOW on Dec 2, 2017 22:47:49 GMT -5
Thunder has more spread while storm has less and fires faster. Also, the bulgasari in the vid has some of the thunder hitting the shield, but even without I think the bulg would've won. Also, the shocktrain is to the trebuchet as scourge is to the zeus except scourge is dps while zeus is burst. I also feel like the only suitable bot for the storm weapon are the korean bots because you need something that will allow you to quickly get close to your enemy like how a thunder carnage has its rush ability. update: I did some testing for comparing the storm and thunder: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Level 12 Storm: 8832 damage per shot | 15 rounds in 10 seconds = 132,480 total damage | Reload time = 10 seconds Level 12 Thunder: 14,720 damage per shot | 9 rounds in 10 seconds = 132,480 total damage | Reload time = 10 seconds -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So I'm pretty sure the reason the bulgasari won was because it's side shield blocked some of the hits from the fury's thunder. Conclusion - storm does same amount of damage as thunders in 10 seconds which is the total amount they can fire in a full clip before going into a slow state of firing. The storm would actually be better in cases where the enemy has a sliver of hp left and it comes down to whoever lands the shot first. Also, I tried looking at the spread for the storm and thunder and they seem about the same. But remember, the Storm is a medium, it shouldn't be doing that kind of damage. |
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Post by vin5240 on Dec 2, 2017 22:49:05 GMT -5
Thunder has more spread while storm has less and fires faster. Also, the bulgasari in the vid has some of the thunder hitting the shield, but even without I think the bulg would've won. Also, the shocktrain is to the trebuchet as scourge is to the zeus except scourge is dps while zeus is burst. I also feel like the only suitable bot for the storm weapon are the korean bots because you need something that will allow you to quickly get close to your enemy like how a thunder carnage has its rush ability. update: I did some testing for comparing the storm and thunder: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Level 12 Storm: 8832 damage per shot | 15 rounds in 10 seconds = 132,480 total damage | Reload time = 10 seconds Level 12 Thunder: 14,720 damage per shot | 9 rounds in 10 seconds = 132,480 total damage | Reload time = 10 seconds -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So I'm pretty sure the reason the bulgasari won was because it's side shield blocked some of the hits from the fury's thunder. Conclusion - storm does same amount of damage as thunders in 10 seconds which is the total amount they can fire in a full clip before going into a slow state of firing. The storm would actually be better in cases where the enemy has a sliver of hp left and it comes down to whoever lands the shot first. Also, I tried looking at the spread for the storm and thunder and they seem about the same. But remember, the Storm is a medium, it shouldn't be doing that kind of damage. Yeah exactly....if the storm is doing this much as a medium weapon, I'd hate to see how much the new gust weapon will do as a light weapon. |
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Post by anjian on Dec 2, 2017 23:38:33 GMT -5
The testers had to blame. We all complained it was kind of meh in the test server, but I only suggested raising damage to 5000 a shot on Level 8.
Gust fires only a small amount of damage per shot, but it can fire them quickly.
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Post by Nexsan on Dec 2, 2017 23:46:00 GMT -5
Eh, but Gust is a light weapon. I really enjoyed on Test w/ a Stalker.
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Post by inspirace on Dec 2, 2017 23:46:25 GMT -5
so, what had been the sluggish and bulky Thunder Fury will now dash with Ancile shield? speechless...
is there anything Thunder is doing better than Storm? trying to find a way to cheer up my old friend, Thunder Carnage. should I get a pair of Embers for it?
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Post by bronzeknee on Dec 3, 2017 0:12:56 GMT -5
so, what had been the sluggish and bulky Thunder Fury will now dash with Ancile shield? speechless... is there anything Thunder is doing better than Storm? trying to find a way to cheer up my old friend, Thunder Carnage. should I get a pair of Embers for it? Don't worry, you can easily counter a Storm Haechi with a Shocktrain Haechi. In fact, you can defeat anything in a Shocktrain Haechi. |
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Post by Nitro on Dec 3, 2017 0:13:03 GMT -5
so, what had been the sluggish and bulky Thunder Fury will now dash with Ancile shield? speechless... is there anything Thunder is doing better than Storm? trying to find a way to cheer up my old friend, Thunder Carnage. should I get a pair of Embers for it? I would TOTALLY get embers for your ole' Carny. Let things get toasty! Or perhaps whip out the Rajin with that damage buff in Bastion mode? |
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Post by vin5240 on Dec 3, 2017 0:15:22 GMT -5
so, what had been the sluggish and bulky Thunder Fury will now dash with Ancile shield? speechless... is there anything Thunder is doing better than Storm? trying to find a way to cheer up my old friend, Thunder Carnage. should I get a pair of Embers for it? Not really unfortunately and it's a bit of a shame since thunder carnage was an all time fav of mine. Maybe it will be nerfed, but probably won't be for a while since not many has the storm weapon yet and can see how much damage it does. |
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Post by vin5240 on Dec 3, 2017 0:19:20 GMT -5
so, what had been the sluggish and bulky Thunder Fury will now dash with Ancile shield? speechless... is there anything Thunder is doing better than Storm? trying to find a way to cheer up my old friend, Thunder Carnage. should I get a pair of Embers for it? Don't worry, you can easily counter a Storm Haechi with a Shocktrain Haechi. In fact, you can defeat anything in a Shocktrain Haechi. Not necessarily. If that storm haechi gets close, it will kill the shock train haechi because shock train is a burst weapon like the trebs so in order to do high damage again, it will need to charge up first. I wipe with floor with haechis with thunder carnage in BR. idk, the more people spend on a bot, the more it makes me want to kill it fast lol. Also, max level tarans melt haechis easily so they need to play range with ST. |
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Post by leavemealone on Dec 3, 2017 0:38:34 GMT -5
A new paradigms shift I see. You know I wish pixsonic would stick with the old ways of the Plasma style instead of I cannot make up my mind what meta style I want. Since I started 6 months ago I'm still working on my first hangar. ?fluffy bunny? it I don't care about the new weapons. Except shocktrain and Ember which i want...
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Post by bronzeknee on Dec 3, 2017 0:41:37 GMT -5
Don't worry, you can easily counter a Storm Haechi with a Shocktrain Haechi. In fact, you can defeat anything in a Shocktrain Haechi. Not necessarily. If that storm haechi gets close, it will kill the shock train haechi because shock train is a burst weapon like the trebs so in order to do high damage again, it will need to charge up first. I wipe with floor with haechis with thunder carnage in BR. idk, the more people spend on a bot, the more it makes me want to kill it fast lol. Also, max level tarans melt haechis easily so they need to play range with ST. If the Storm Haechi gets close, the Shocktrain Haechi misplayed. They have equal speed. |
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Post by leavemealone on Dec 3, 2017 0:46:41 GMT -5
Thunder has more spread while storm has less and fires faster. Also, the bulgasari in the vid has some of the thunder hitting the shield, but even without I think the bulg would've won. Also, the shocktrain is to the trebuchet as scourge is to the zeus except scourge is dps while zeus is burst. I also feel like the only suitable bot for the storm weapon are the korean bots because you need something that will allow you to quickly get close to your enemy like how a thunder carnage has its rush ability. update: I did some testing for comparing the storm and thunder: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Level 12 Storm: 8832 damage per shot | 15 rounds in 10 seconds = 132,480 total damage | Reload time = 10 seconds Level 12 Thunder: 14,720 damage per shot | 9 rounds in 10 seconds = 132,480 total damage | Reload time = 10 seconds -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So I'm pretty sure the reason the bulgasari won was because it's side shield blocked some of the hits from the fury's thunder. Conclusion - storm does same amount of damage as thunders in 10 seconds which is the total amount they can fire in a full clip before going into a slow state of firing. The storm would actually be better in cases where the enemy has a sliver of hp left and it comes down to whoever lands the shot first. Also, I tried looking at the spread for the storm and thunder and they seem about the same. But remember, the Storm is a medium, it shouldn't be doing that kind of damage. in test server they was weak af they fired like pallets. Wait... Ohhh I see. I get it now. Pixsonic did it again. They secretly buffed the damage like they did for the shocktrain. False alarmed. There nothing to see here just another device ploy from pixsonic to milk the whales. |
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Post by hon_shu on Dec 3, 2017 1:42:20 GMT -5
If they do the same damage over time, then the Storm is superior, it is a medium weapon. Balance literally doesn't exist in this game. Crazy, what a screw up. They got the damage right (heavy should be 1.5X of a medium) but then just gave it 50% more shots in 10s? How stupid is that? And from the way it's distributed it's not exactly a whale weapon, either, it's almost affordable. Why would they just flood the game with new OP weapons? |
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Post by vin5240 on Dec 3, 2017 2:21:31 GMT -5
Not necessarily. If that storm haechi gets close, it will kill the shock train haechi because shock train is a burst weapon like the trebs so in order to do high damage again, it will need to charge up first. I wipe with floor with haechis with thunder carnage in BR. idk, the more people spend on a bot, the more it makes me want to kill it fast lol. Also, max level tarans melt haechis easily so they need to play range with ST. If the Storm Haechi gets close, the Shocktrain Haechi misplayed. They have equal speed. In a 1v1 yes, but on the field with multiple people targeting you with zeus/trebs/plasma, your movement is pretty limited and must stay behind cover until you are ready to shoot in which another haechi can catch up to you and because they have the same speed, the ST haechi won't be able to escape. ST users are highest priority for snipers. I've killed a ST haechi with orkan kumiho before, and even orkan haechi but that depends on the pilot. A lot of haechi users I faced lack experience in piloting and tend to follow a brute force playstyle. They only have like 2000 battles win and already have mk2 haechi, bulgs, and inquisitors in their hangar. I was still using a 4 slot hangar at 3000 wins back in the day. |
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Post by anjian on Dec 3, 2017 3:15:24 GMT -5
Starting to see a Trend Shotgun weapon Heavy - Thunder, Medium - Storm, Light - Gust Lightning weapon Heavy - Zeus, Medium - Scourge, Light -  Medium range rockets Heavy - Trident, Medium - Tulumbas, Light - Pins Short range rockets Heavy - , Medium - Orkans, Light - Pinatas Guided Missiles Heavy - , Medium - Hydras, Light - Spirals Short ranged Missiles Heavy - , Medium - Vortex, Light - Aphids Plasma Heavy - Redeemer, Medium - Tarans, Light - Magnums Autocannons Heavy - Tempest, Medium - Molot T, Light - Molot Gatling Guns Heavy - , Medium - Punisher T, Light - Punisher Energy laser weapons Heavy - Trebuchet, Medium - , Light - Gekko The is what you should pay attention as possible weapons in the future. |
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Post by The VVatcher on Dec 3, 2017 3:33:59 GMT -5
Starting to see a Trend Shotgun weapon Heavy - Thunder, Medium - Storm, Light - Gust Lightning weapon Heavy - Zeus, Medium - Scourge, Light - Medium range rockets Heavy - Trident, Medium - Tulumbas, Light - Pins Short range rockets Heavy - , Medium - Orkans, Light - Pinatas Guided Missiles Heavy - , Medium - Hydras, Light - Spirals Short ranged Missiles Heavy - , Medium - Vortex, Light - Aphids Plasma Heavy - Redeemer, Medium - Tarans, Light - Magnums Autocannons Heavy - Tempest, Medium - Molot T, Light - Molot Gatling Guns Heavy - , Medium - Punisher T, Light - Punisher Energy laser weapons Heavy - Trebuchet, Medium - , Light - Gekko The is what you should pay attention as possible weapons in the future. Don’t forget Ember. TBA medium and light weapons that ignores shields. Shocktrain is hard to classify. Power, accuracy, and reload similar to Zeus, instant shot and charge mechanic like Trebuchet. And ignores some of the shields like a wannabe Ember. |
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Post by The VVatcher on Dec 3, 2017 3:41:09 GMT -5
If the Storm Haechi gets close, the Shocktrain Haechi misplayed. They have equal speed. In a 1v1 yes, but on the field with multiple people targeting you with zeus/trebs/plasma, your movement is pretty limited and must stay behind cover until you are ready to shoot in which another haechi can catch up to you and because they have the same speed, the ST haechi won't be able to escape. Well this also applies to you. Does he not have teammates? Just as he is hampered by your teammates, his teammates should hamper you too. You’ll be facing both rangy energy weapons as well as tarans and orkans at that range. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 3:45:37 GMT -5
The sky is falling again. Gotcha. If you say the sun won't rise the next morning every night you might be right eventually...
I own a few storms now. Looking forward to levelling and playing them. Will let the forum know if this is the one that breaks the game.
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Post by vin5240 on Dec 3, 2017 4:18:23 GMT -5
In a 1v1 yes, but on the field with multiple people targeting you with zeus/trebs/plasma, your movement is pretty limited and must stay behind cover until you are ready to shoot in which another haechi can catch up to you and because they have the same speed, the ST haechi won't be able to escape. Well this also applies to you. Does he not have teammates? Just as he is hampered by your teammates, his teammates should hamper you too. You’ll be facing both rangy energy weapons as well as tarans and orkans at that range. It depends on the situation. Case by case. My point is that any bot using shock trains is seen as a huge threat, therefore, more people will target that bot and prioritize it over other bots. Similarly, if my teammate is pushing with an ancilot, but I'm running a light bot, they will probably prioritize that ancilot rather than my light bot because that ancilot has a much higher damage output than me and is seen as a bigger threat so I may not be taking any damage at all while I'm doing damage to them. Perhaps enemy team wants to protect their precious ST user and target anyone who goes near it or they just kill whoever is trying to take the beacon or whoever is closest to them. Depends on the situation as I said before. |
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Post by ᴛʜᴇ ʙɪɢ ᴅʀᴏᴘ on Dec 3, 2017 11:28:19 GMT -5
Just as the Dashers and Inquisitor are 'uncategorized' (Hover too? Proly) then the Shocktrain, Scourge ahd Ember—all the D.I.E.S.S equipment (including wrapins) are too.
Uncategorized equipment is its own category now?
It could be similar to Battletech in a sense... No weapon classifications but Light, Medium, Heavy, Assault, Super Heavy and Omni-Mechs being a choice.
Perhaps obe day in War Robots you will be able to choose legs, engines, armor types, abilities and other key parts to build your own mek?
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Post by bronzeknee on Dec 3, 2017 11:41:05 GMT -5
The sky is falling again. Gotcha. If you say the sun won't rise the next morning every night you might be right eventually... I own a few storms now. Looking forward to levelling and playing them. Will let the forum know if this is the one that breaks the game. You just love the Strawman. I say the Storm performs as well as the Thunder, and you say I say the sky is falling. Literally. It makes me laugh, you weren't in debate club were you? Anyway, the Shocktrain has broken War Robots, this is just evidence how the game has zero balance, not that it broke the game. We waited and saw about the power of Dash robots. I was right. You weren't. We waited and saw about the prices of Dash robots. I was right. You weren't. We waited and saw about the power of the Ember. I was right. You weren't. So yeah, let's do wait and see now, since it means I am right as you've never shown an ability to process an argument and just strawman everything. So this is just wait and see how good Bronze is at predicting things. Because I am not nostradamus or lucky, I'm just educated and have predictive analytical skills. And I want to add to that list, let's add the Storm to that list and I'll just copy pasta into it my next thread when StrawPanda shows up.You don't mind if you I call you StrawPanda, right? |
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Post by hyderier on Dec 3, 2017 12:29:49 GMT -5
The math of light/medium/heavy versions of same weapons is very simple. If 3 lights do as much damage as 2 mediums, and 3 mediums do as much as 2 heavies, then they're balanced. That is damage ration 1:1.5:2.25.
Anything else, and the ones which do less are not good, it's better to switch bots to be able to use the one which does better.
Now there could be slight changes to 1:1.5:2.25 ratio to adjust the meta to a desired state. Like currently, medium weapons are relatively the best. To compensate this, bots with many medium hardpoints are not as good as... wait... have you noticed the game balance being slightly out of whack lately? Just asking, because I think dashes have medium hard points, and are kind anti-worse compared to other bots.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 13:13:46 GMT -5
The sky is falling again. Gotcha. If you say the sun won't rise the next morning every night you might be right eventually... I own a few storms now. Looking forward to levelling and playing them. Will let the forum know if this is the one that breaks the game. You just love the Strawman. I say the Storm performs as well as the Thunder, and you say I say the sky is falling. Literally. It makes me laugh, you weren't in debate club were you? Anyway, the Shocktrain has broken War Robots, this is just evidence how the game has zero balance, not that it broke the game. We waited and saw about the power of Dash robots. I was right. You weren't. We waited and saw about the prices of Dash robots. I was right. You weren't. We waited and saw about the power of the Ember. I was right. You weren't. So yeah, let's do wait and see now, since it means I am right as you've never shown an ability to process an argument and just strawman everything. So this is just wait and see how good Bronze is at predicting things. Because I am not nostradamus or lucky, I'm just educated and have predictive analytical skills. And I want to add to that list, let's add the Storm to that list and I'll just copy pasta into it my next thread when StrawPanda shows up.You don't mind if you I call you StrawPanda, right? And all I said was I look forward to trying them out. They sound strong. And of course, I like to keep track of all the things that have broken the game. Everytime you post you sound just like this guy. I guess I'll see you in game since you play "at the top of Android". Cheers bub.  |
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Post by BastionOW on Dec 3, 2017 13:26:03 GMT -5
The sky is falling again. Gotcha. If you say the sun won't rise the next morning every night you might be right eventually... I own a few storms now. Looking forward to levelling and playing them. Will let the forum know if this is the one that breaks the game. You just love the Strawman. I say the Storm performs as well as the Thunder, and you say I say the sky is falling. Literally. It makes me laugh, you weren't in debate club were you? Anyway, the Shocktrain has broken War Robots, this is just evidence how the game has zero balance, not that it broke the game. We waited and saw about the power of Dash robots. I was right. You weren't. We waited and saw about the prices of Dash robots. I was right. You weren't. We waited and saw about the power of the Ember. I was right. You weren't. So yeah, let's do wait and see now, since it means I am right as you've never shown an ability to process an argument and just strawman everything. So this is just wait and see how good Bronze is at predicting things. Because I am not nostradamus or lucky, I'm just educated and have predictive analytical skills. And I want to add to that list, let's add the Storm to that list and I'll just copy pasta into it my next thread when StrawPanda shows up.You don't mind if you I call you StrawPanda, right? How dare you disrespect Panda, lord and poster of memes?! |
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Post by Shockwave on Dec 3, 2017 13:45:48 GMT -5
Starting to see a Trend Shotgun weapon Heavy - Thunder, Medium - Storm, Light - Gust Lightning weapon Heavy - Zeus, Medium - Scourge, Light - Medium range rockets Heavy - Trident, Medium - Tulumbas, Light - Pins Short range rockets Heavy - , Medium - Orkans, Light - Pinatas Guided Missiles Heavy - , Medium - Hydras, Light - Spirals Short ranged Missiles Heavy - , Medium - Vortex, Light - Aphids Plasma Heavy - Redeemer, Medium - Tarans, Light - Magnums Autocannons Heavy - Tempest, Medium - Molot T, Light - Molot Gatling Guns Heavy - , Medium - Punisher T, Light - Punisher Energy laser weapons Heavy - Trebuchet, Medium - , Light - Gekko The is what you should pay attention as possible weapons in the future. Don’t forget Ember. TBA medium and light weapons that ignores shields. Shocktrain is hard to classify. Power, accuracy, and reload similar to Zeus, instant shot and charge mechanic like Trebuchet. And ignores some of the shields like a wannabe Ember. You just sum up why Shocktrain is such a BS weapon. |
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Post by bronzeknee on Dec 3, 2017 14:42:31 GMT -5
You just love the Strawman. I say the Storm performs as well as the Thunder, and you say I say the sky is falling. Literally. It makes me laugh, you weren't in debate club were you? Anyway, the Shocktrain has broken War Robots, this is just evidence how the game has zero balance, not that it broke the game. We waited and saw about the power of Dash robots. I was right. You weren't. We waited and saw about the prices of Dash robots. I was right. You weren't. We waited and saw about the power of the Ember. I was right. You weren't. So yeah, let's do wait and see now, since it means I am right as you've never shown an ability to process an argument and just strawman everything. So this is just wait and see how good Bronze is at predicting things. Because I am not nostradamus or lucky, I'm just educated and have predictive analytical skills. And I want to add to that list, let's add the Storm to that list and I'll just copy pasta into it my next thread when StrawPanda shows up.You don't mind if you I call you StrawPanda, right? And all I said was I look forward to trying them out. They sound strong. And of course, I like to keep track of all the things that have broken the game. Everytime you post you sound just like this guy. I guess I'll see you in game since you play "at the top of Android". Cheers bub. You do know we can read what you actually wrote, right? You misrepresented your own argument to shield yourself. You use the strawman fallacy over and over and over and over... can I teach you some other fallacies to use while you make my fries?  Because StrawPanda didn't say it sounded strong, StrawPanda said this: But now at least you now know we can read posts from the past. Because history matters, and your record about being right when it comes to the things you've predicted... well I'll let you look it up...  |
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