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Post by thetruth on Nov 30, 2017 16:43:20 GMT -5
I truly want to meet a person that believes that these "totally random" blackmarket gambling gambits are truly that; random. I don't want to meet face-to-face, but more like going to the zoo where I can witness the naivety in a voyeuristic safe zone.
To witness their thought process of, "OK. This time. THIS TIME, it will be different. This time, the spins won't land sequentially in the order of value. It will be different. I got luck on my side."
I don't get who goes further than the one free spin they get, unless they're aware of what it is: A tiered buying program masked as a "random" gambling mini-game that makes you buy a bunch of overpriced junk to win the grand-prize unit that is even more overpriced.
All that wasted gold for the pie in the sky hopes that luck will beat out programming.
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Post by iamgoot on Nov 30, 2017 16:58:13 GMT -5
To be fair i agree...99% of the time I get screwed and lowest prize upwards. However today on one of them. My free spin got 75 gold when there was 2 lower gold prizes and silver and free premium still left. So occasionally you get something but 99% your bent over and pixonic tosses their sausage down your ally way.
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Post by 「fluffernutter」eney on Nov 30, 2017 17:01:32 GMT -5
Lately, I've only been doing the single free spin or card pickup. I get what I can for free and move on. Each time I cross my fingers for something decent, but am always left disappointed.
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Post by hyderier on Nov 30, 2017 17:02:47 GMT -5
I recommend reporting especially the card flipping version, because that is so blatant fraud, same as dealer switching the card after a gambler chooses it.
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Post by hiranine on Nov 30, 2017 17:38:54 GMT -5
I'd like to think the numbers are already calculated and the card or spinning thing is just for show
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Post by T34 on Nov 30, 2017 17:45:18 GMT -5
Hello, I am one. Lets go to the zoo ?:-)
Yes these people do exist. Lots and lots of them. Most of us. If they would not pix wouldn't insert these games.
Even tho I suspected it was rigged from the start I didnât know and spent marginally more than I should have. And thatâs how Pixonic gets most of us.
These mechanisms are not about assuming people are total 「fluffernutter」wits. These mechanisms start with the premise that people have an open mind and a preconceived understanding based on real life regulated/honest/above board gambling. The same way as say for instance a roulette game in a casino. 「dookie」 would hit the fan if the roulette wheel at the casino be rigged. But in reality it does not need to be rigged bc the odds are in favour of the house. But what ifâ¦. What if you cant see the roulette wheel in that casino and say put down $100 on black than the croupier actually lifts the ball and puts it in the red slot (you cant see the wheel). Then he shows you the outcome. Thatâs what pix is doing.
The only way a person can combat that sort of cheating is by learning from self or learning from others. But there is a learning curve that takes time. During that time Pix reaps its reward. Some get suckered in a lot while other just a bit. When you talking about 100s of thousands of people it all adds up to be a huge amount (lots of bits and few big catches). When people figure out how its rigged and refrain from spending (what pix expects), Pix changes the appearance of the same rigged mechanism or moves to a new rigged mechanism. the problem is you just don't know if its rigged until you give it a go.
TBH, my biggest question is why has pix gone down this path. All they need to do is increase the prizes from 12 to 24 and the same result is achieved without dishonest going ons. Say you reach the 12th spin and you donât end up with the top prize than make the required investment decrease or rig it and give the player the prize. They use a really dumb unscrupulous approach currently that doesnât really have to be used. Really dumb and fraudulent. It also show the attitude at Pix. Why go down a dishonest path when you can achieve the same result without being dishonest. Beyond me. Really is.
I think people would actually gamble more if it wasn't rigged and Pix would get a bigger windfall.
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Post by theantisnipe on Nov 30, 2017 21:24:12 GMT -5
Hello, I am one. Lets go to the zoo ï?:-) Yes these people do exist. Lots and lots of them. Most of us. If they would not pix wouldn't insert these games. Even tho I suspected it was rigged from the start I didnâ??t know and spent marginally more than I should have. And thatâ??s how Pixonic gets most of us. These mechanisms are not about assuming people are total ?fluffy bunny?wits. These mechanisms start with the premise that people have an open mind and a preconceived understanding based on real life regulated/honest/above board gambling. The same way as say for instance a roulette game in a casino. ?poo-poo? would hit the fan if the roulette wheel at the casino be rigged. But in reality it does not need to be rigged bc the odds are in favour of the house. But what ifâ?¦. What if you cant see the roulette wheel in that casino and say put down $100 on black than the croupier actually lifts the ball and puts it in the red slot (you cant see the wheel). Then he shows you the outcome. Thatâ??s what pix is doing. The only way a person can combat that sort of cheating is by learning from self or learning from others. But there is a learning curve that takes time. During that time Pix reaps its reward. Some get suckered in a lot while other just a bit. When you talking about 100s of thousands of people it all adds up to be a huge amount (lots of bits and few big catches). When people figure out how its rigged and refrain from spending (what pix expects), Pix changes the appearance of the same rigged mechanism or moves to a new rigged mechanism. the problem is you just don't know if its rigged until you give it a go. TBH, my biggest question is why has pix gone down this path. All they need to do is increase the prizes from 12 to 24 and the same result is achieved without dishonest going ons. Say you reach the 12th spin and you donâ??t end up with the top prize than make the required investment decrease or rig it and give the player the prize. They use a really dumb unscrupulous approach currently that doesnâ??t really have to be used. Really dumb and fraudulent. It also show the attitude at Pix. Why go down a dishonest path when you can achieve the same result without being dishonest. Beyond me. Really is. I think people would actually gamble more if it wasn't rigged and Pix would get a bigger windfall. Noob here, wish I found this thread sooner. Wasted a ton of gold in those draws. Dang it! |
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Post by leavemealone on Nov 30, 2017 21:50:18 GMT -5
Hello, I am one. Lets go to the zoo ï?:-) Yes these people do exist. Lots and lots of them. Most of us. If they would not pix wouldn't insert these games. Even tho I suspected it was rigged from the start I didnâ??t know and spent marginally more than I should have. And thatâ??s how Pixonic gets most of us. These mechanisms are not about assuming people are total ?fluffy bunny?wits. These mechanisms start with the premise that people have an open mind and a preconceived understanding based on real life regulated/honest/above board gambling. The same way as say for instance a roulette game in a casino. ?poo-poo? would hit the fan if the roulette wheel at the casino be rigged. But in reality it does not need to be rigged bc the odds are in favour of the house. But what ifâ?¦. What if you cant see the roulette wheel in that casino and say put down $100 on black than the croupier actually lifts the ball and puts it in the red slot (you cant see the wheel). Then he shows you the outcome. Thatâ??s what pix is doing. The only way a person can combat that sort of cheating is by learning from self or learning from others. But there is a learning curve that takes time. During that time Pix reaps its reward. Some get suckered in a lot while other just a bit. When you talking about 100s of thousands of people it all adds up to be a huge amount (lots of bits and few big catches). When people figure out how its rigged and refrain from spending (what pix expects), Pix changes the appearance of the same rigged mechanism or moves to a new rigged mechanism. the problem is you just don't know if its rigged until you give it a go. TBH, my biggest question is why has pix gone down this path. All they need to do is increase the prizes from 12 to 24 and the same result is achieved without dishonest going ons. Say you reach the 12th spin and you donâ??t end up with the top prize than make the required investment decrease or rig it and give the player the prize. They use a really dumb unscrupulous approach currently that doesnâ??t really have to be used. Really dumb and fraudulent. It also show the attitude at Pix. Why go down a dishonest path when you can achieve the same result without being dishonest. Beyond me. Really is. I think people would actually gamble more if it wasn't rigged and Pix would get a bigger windfall. dishonest company I have ever witnessed In my life. Farming is already hard to gain access to these components in general but by rigging bronze chest and always landing on keys just show how pathetic mail.ru are. |
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Post by danny on Nov 30, 2017 22:09:50 GMT -5
Hello, I am one. Lets go to the zoo ï?:-) Yes these people do exist. Lots and lots of them. Most of us. If they would not pix wouldn't insert these games. Even tho I suspected it was rigged from the start I didnâ??t know and spent marginally more than I should have. And thatâ??s how Pixonic gets most of us. These mechanisms are not about assuming people are total ?fluffy bunny?wits. These mechanisms start with the premise that people have an open mind and a preconceived understanding based on real life regulated/honest/above board gambling. The same way as say for instance a roulette game in a casino. ?poo-poo? would hit the fan if the roulette wheel at the casino be rigged. But in reality it does not need to be rigged bc the odds are in favour of the house. But what ifâ?¦. What if you cant see the roulette wheel in that casino and say put down $100 on black than the croupier actually lifts the ball and puts it in the red slot (you cant see the wheel). Then he shows you the outcome. Thatâ??s what pix is doing. The only way a person can combat that sort of cheating is by learning from self or learning from others. But there is a learning curve that takes time. During that time Pix reaps its reward. Some get suckered in a lot while other just a bit. When you talking about 100s of thousands of people it all adds up to be a huge amount (lots of bits and few big catches). When people figure out how its rigged and refrain from spending (what pix expects), Pix changes the appearance of the same rigged mechanism or moves to a new rigged mechanism. the problem is you just don't know if its rigged until you give it a go. TBH, my biggest question is why has pix gone down this path. All they need to do is increase the prizes from 12 to 24 and the same result is achieved without dishonest going ons. Say you reach the 12th spin and you donâ??t end up with the top prize than make the required investment decrease or rig it and give the player the prize. They use a really dumb unscrupulous approach currently that doesnâ??t really have to be used. Really dumb and fraudulent. It also show the attitude at Pix. Why go down a dishonest path when you can achieve the same result without being dishonest. Beyond me. Really is. I think people would actually gamble more if it wasn't rigged and Pix would get a bigger windfall. Why do some of your letters appear in some weird form? A rectangle with an X within. |
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Post by danny on Nov 30, 2017 22:14:53 GMT -5
Hello, I am one. Lets go to the zoo ï?:-) Yes these people do exist. Lots and lots of them. Most of us. If they would not pix wouldn't insert these games. Even tho I suspected it was rigged from the start I didnâ??t know and spent marginally more than I should have. And thatâ??s how Pixonic gets most of us. These mechanisms are not about assuming people are total ?fluffy bunny?wits. These mechanisms start with the premise that people have an open mind and a preconceived understanding based on real life regulated/honest/above board gambling. The same way as say for instance a roulette game in a casino. ?poo-poo? would hit the fan if the roulette wheel at the casino be rigged. But in reality it does not need to be rigged bc the odds are in favour of the house. But what ifâ?¦. What if you cant see the roulette wheel in that casino and say put down $100 on black than the croupier actually lifts the ball and puts it in the red slot (you cant see the wheel). Then he shows you the outcome. Thatâ??s what pix is doing. The only way a person can combat that sort of cheating is by learning from self or learning from others. But there is a learning curve that takes time. During that time Pix reaps its reward. Some get suckered in a lot while other just a bit. When you talking about 100s of thousands of people it all adds up to be a huge amount (lots of bits and few big catches). When people figure out how its rigged and refrain from spending (what pix expects), Pix changes the appearance of the same rigged mechanism or moves to a new rigged mechanism. the problem is you just don't know if its rigged until you give it a go. TBH, my biggest question is why has pix gone down this path. All they need to do is increase the prizes from 12 to 24 and the same result is achieved without dishonest going ons. Say you reach the 12th spin and you donâ??t end up with the top prize than make the required investment decrease or rig it and give the player the prize. They use a really dumb unscrupulous approach currently that doesnâ??t really have to be used. Really dumb and fraudulent. It also show the attitude at Pix. Why go down a dishonest path when you can achieve the same result without being dishonest. Beyond me. Really is. I think people would actually gamble more if it wasn't rigged and Pix would get a bigger windfall. dishonest company I have ever witnessed In my life. Farming is already hard to gain access to these components in general but by rigging bronze chest and always landing on keys just show how pathetic mail.ru are. Dishonest, yes, but the most impressive business model I have ever seen. They know exactly how the different groups of players (whales, non-whale spenders and free players) will respond and they have the right antidote to appease. Contrary to popular belief, I am convinced this game will last for years to come. |
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Post by acdcfan on Nov 30, 2017 22:21:45 GMT -5
I have tried bringing up few of said winners, and some of them have not been active for months and months.... I'll see if I can post a few pictures later
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Post by T34 on Nov 30, 2017 22:46:08 GMT -5
dishonest company I have ever witnessed In my life. Farming is already hard to gain access to these components in general but by rigging bronze chest and always landing on keys just show how pathetic mail.ru are. Dishonest, yes, but the most impressive business model I have ever seen. They know exactly how the different groups of players (whales, non-whale spenders and free players) will respond and they have the right antidote to appease. Contrary to popular belief, I am convinced this game will last for years to come. time will show us for sure. |
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Post by leavemealone on Nov 30, 2017 22:51:36 GMT -5
dishonest company I have ever witnessed In my life. Farming is already hard to gain access to these components in general but by rigging bronze chest and always landing on keys just show how pathetic mail.ru are. Dishonest, yes, but the most impressive business model I have ever seen. They know exactly how the different groups of players (whales, non-whale spenders and free players) will respond and they have the right antidote to appease. Contrary to popular belief, I am convinced this game will last for years to come. exactly good example with antidote. They're using exact model YouTube are using based on what your interested in . This is used to go back on the drawing board allowing them to work on next strategy that will work . Notice how every update changes completely. |
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Post by Nitro on Dec 1, 2017 2:28:00 GMT -5
To be fair i agree...99% of the time I get screwed and lowest prize upwards. However today on one of them. My free spin got 75 gold when there was 2 lower gold prizes and silver and free premium still left. So occasionally you get something but 99% your bent over and pixonic tosses their sausage down your ally way. I took the free spin for the Royale not too long ago and bagged 75 gold right there. Was pretty surprised and chose to leave while I was ahead. |
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Post by locutis on Dec 1, 2017 9:28:42 GMT -5
I just spin until I get premium. It's usually one of the first prizes won. Well worth the au.
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Post by frunobulax on Dec 1, 2017 9:37:19 GMT -5
It's rigged, but there is a small chance that you'll get better prizes at early spins. I always do 2 spins at most (2 if I want to play a bit and don't have VIP), and I got 50 gold once so far. I'd expect the chance to hit the big prize is 0 for the first few spins though.
The chances are constantly changed it seems. When the games were started, I always excluded the 3 worst silver prizes and one low component prize, and got VIP almost every time with my first spin. For the last week or so I usually wound up with the lowest component amount.
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Post by snk on Dec 1, 2017 9:47:54 GMT -5
I open less than 3 cards and spin recently, most of the time got low end or near low end prize.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 9:53:49 GMT -5
Lol one time I was away for 2 days and the black friday spins were there, so a total of 4 free spins. Ended up with 48 hours of free premium  I always get lucky with premium. I am never lucky with chests however, once I was a centimeter away from getting a lance but no! I was rewarded with.... *drumroll* 7 bulgasari components! Can you think of ANYTHING better than THAT?!?!? *goes to curl up in the fetal position in the corner* |
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Post by zer00eyz on Dec 1, 2017 10:12:39 GMT -5
I recommend reporting especially the card flipping version, because that is so blatant fraud, same as dealer switching the card after a gambler chooses it. Reporting it for what? Much like gambling, fraud has a legal definition, and this isn't it. |
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Post by Strayed on Dec 1, 2017 10:17:09 GMT -5
I recommend reporting especially the card flipping version, because that is so blatant fraud, same as dealer switching the card after a gambler chooses it. Reporting it for what? Much like gambling, fraud has a legal definition, and this isn't it. Couldn't this be reported for false advertising? They're advertising it as a spinner when it isn't. |
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Post by Alpha on Dec 1, 2017 10:29:04 GMT -5
Reporting it for what? Much like gambling, fraud has a legal definition, and this isn't it. Couldn't this be reported for false advertising? They're advertising it as a spinner when it isn't. More importantly wouldn't this company fall under the Russian Law and what exactly are the Russian laws on gambling? And who exactly are you going to report this to? |
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Post by Strayed on Dec 2, 2017 0:04:34 GMT -5
Couldn't this be reported for false advertising? They're advertising it as a spinner when it isn't. More importantly wouldn't this company fall under the Russian Law and what exactly are the Russian laws on gambling? And who exactly are you going to report this to? If you were to report it to them, Apple or Google might take it off of their respective stores. |
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Post by hon_shu on Dec 2, 2017 4:15:47 GMT -5
Well, the Casino Royal is gambling where the odds are stacked heavily against you. I'm sure it's not impossible to win the jackpot on the first round, but just very very very very very unlikely.
So what? You know it, I know it, it stinks, play it to your advantage (free premium) and get on with it. Or play another game if Pixonic's attitude makes you nauseous but good luck finding one that's much different. At least on mobile.
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Post by leavemealone on Dec 2, 2017 6:50:18 GMT -5
I truly want to meet a person that believes that these "totally random" blackmarket gambling gambits are truly that; random. I don't want to meet face-to-face, but more like going to the zoo where I can witness the naivety in a voyeuristic safe zone. To witness their thought process of, "OK. This time. THIS TIME, it will be different. This time, the spins won't land sequentially in the order of value. It will be different. I got luck on my side." I don't get who goes further than the one free spin they get, unless they're aware of what it is: A tiered buying program masked as a "random" gambling mini-game that makes you buy a bunch of overpriced junk to win the grand-prize unit that is even more overpriced. All that wasted gold for the pie in the sky hopes that luck will beat out programming. You are talking about the ROYALE games (Lucky Spin and the Card game), Black Market chests are random.  The ROYALE is not even GAMBLING, it's more like a scam that street con-artists use to take your money. In this case is your hard earned gold.A lot of new players are lured in those games thinking that they will win a Dash bot or Hover and in the end they just waste their 4th slot gold. mail.ru and they're unethical dirty practices. they think it's okay to scam and take advantage of us....do they think were living in the cold war still? that they think were that stupid enough not to see their deception?. what's up with the war robot royale? more like payxonic unroyale to the fan base. They pretend their giving us the chance to win goods, but in the end it's just a buyout a stealth of chance to win. The unroyale system is for veterans who has gold at their disposal. |
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Post by hyderier on Dec 2, 2017 8:02:11 GMT -5
I recommend reporting especially the card flipping version, because that is so blatant fraud, same as dealer switching the card after a gambler chooses it. Reporting it for what? Much like gambling, fraud has a legal definition, and this isn't it. For Google, it violates this at least with the "card flipping" deception: "Developers must not mislead users about the apps they are selling nor about any in-app services, goods, content, or functionality offered for purchase."
It's found at play.google.com/about/developer-content-policy-print/I'm waiting to hear how somebody defends the card flipping game as either not an "in-app service, good, content or functionality offered for purchase" (because it's actually Au you have purchase and not... card flip... tokens or something?), or how it is not misleading users to believe they are actually flipping virtual cards with set prizes on the hidden side. |
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Post by zer00eyz on Dec 2, 2017 13:00:37 GMT -5
Reporting it for what? Much like gambling, fraud has a legal definition, and this isn't it. For Google, it violates this at least with the "card flipping" deception: "Developers must not mislead users about the apps they are selling nor about any in-app services, goods, content, or functionality offered for purchase."
It's found at play.google.com/about/developer-content-policy-print/I'm waiting to hear how somebody defends the card flipping game as either not an "in-app service, good, content or functionality offered for purchase" (because it's actually Au you have purchase and not... card flip... tokens or something?), or how it is not misleading users to believe they are actually flipping virtual cards with set prizes on the hidden side. Look, I just want to put it out there that I think the mechanics are awful - the whole industry is going to get itself regulated because of greed (it might take a while). Second, you aren't purchasing a spin and you can get spins for free (by playing). If you purchased gold it had NOTHING to do with the spins --- if you choose to throw them away or to acquire some orkans that was your choice. |
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Post by thetruth on Dec 2, 2017 19:02:23 GMT -5
Well, the Casino Royal is gambling where the odds are stacked heavily against you. I'm sure it's not impossible to win the jackpot on the first round, but just very very very very very unlikely. So what? You know it, I know it, it stinks, play it to your advantage (free premium) and get on with it. Or play another game if Pixonic's attitude makes you nauseous but good luck finding one that's much different. At least on mobile. Do you normally do that? Add your own little story of what you want a post to be about or are you just inefficient with reading comprehension? |
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Post by amidf on Dec 2, 2017 19:35:18 GMT -5
Sorry guys, I didn't see this when it was posted. To thetruth, random does not mean all outcomes equally likely. I ranted about this in another thread. The BM and Royale are random, but the odds are heavily weighted. The color codes of the tiles or cards group the prizes based on their relative odds. So I would like to be in your zoo in the exhibit for people who know what random means. I like to use the example of a craps roll (the sum of two six-sided dice). The odds of rolling a 7 are six times as high as the odds of rolling a 12. To another point, you don't get the same things every time (obviously for BM but you're talking about Royale). Thankfully, I often get Premium first, but sometimes it is components and sometimes low gold. One time I got some moderate amount of gold (~50) which helped pay for me to try for Premium again. Now, "rigged" has a definition more open to interpretation. When the odds are heavily weighted but undisclosed, it's fair to call that rigged. |
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Post by rollinfknpower on Dec 2, 2017 21:14:18 GMT -5
They let one out of 1000 hit the good 「dookie」 with one spin cause they will talk about it and word of mouth is wonderful advertisement. One person gets a dasher cheap they tell all their buddies. Their buddies rush like rabid dogs to get their easy dash bot. But really yes. It is on a set meter, cheapest prizes first
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Post by leavemealone on Dec 2, 2017 23:15:42 GMT -5
Sorry guys, I didn't see this when it was posted. To thetruth, random does not mean all outcomes equally likely. I ranted about this in another thread. The BM and Royale are random, but the odds are heavily weighted. The color codes of the tiles or cards group the prizes based on their relative odds. So I would like to be in your zoo in the exhibit for people who know what random means. I like to use the example of a craps roll (the sum of two six-sided dice). The odds of rolling a 7 are six times as high as the odds of rolling a 12. To another point, you don't get the same things every time (obviously for BM but you're talking about Royale). Thankfully, I often get Premium first, but sometimes it is components and sometimes low gold. One time I got some moderate amount of gold (~50) which helped pay for me to try for Premium again. Now, "rigged" has a definition more open to interpretation. When the odds are heavily weighted but undisclosed, it's fair to call that rigged. I don't know if weighted odd and fixed percentage belong the group . do u have case to back that up? Make a video when you hit the highest value on the first try and post it up. Coincidence? A Royal gamble giving almost the exact identical pattern of items every time. You called it weights against you I doubt it. This deception device is to lure and trap new player's into spending real money giving them false advertised that they'll have chance to win best items in little money spent as possible but end up spending more than the actual cost value. Just another dirty business dishonest practice by pixsonic. |
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