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Post by rollinfknpower on Nov 29, 2017 19:27:50 GMT -5
Has anyone ever noticed that lance has two hard point spots for heavy? That empty spot is just begging for something. Now that would level the playing field against dashers heh? Although it would probably be more OP than dashers to everything but a dasher. Just think of the loadout possibilities though!!
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Post by BLYTHE on Nov 29, 2017 19:40:15 GMT -5
There is no counter to the Dashbot other than a good sense of humour.
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Post by inspirace on Nov 29, 2017 19:41:35 GMT -5
ultimate counter to a Dash = teammates
EDIT: unless they carry Shocktrucks Mk2,
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Post by porkchopexpress on Nov 29, 2017 19:51:57 GMT -5
For an anti dash bot my go to is the rog and have good success countering them unless they disengage an make a run for it.
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Post by rollinfknpower on Nov 29, 2017 19:54:27 GMT -5
I think I would rather face a heichi than a super Griff lance. Seriously though. Yes the dash bots are OP but they are much better than the death star patton, treb butch/fury show we had a while back. At least I have some chance of shooting at them before I'm turned into a smoldering hulk. Maybe settle for a plasma heavy weapon that complements the taran?
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Post by rollinfknpower on Nov 29, 2017 19:55:23 GMT -5
For an anti dash bot my go to is the rog and have good success countering them unless they disengage an make a run for it. Yes I do like the rog but for me orkans work better on every thing but Heichi so I can't change it to tarans
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Post by mechtout on Nov 29, 2017 20:18:54 GMT -5
PDB griffins are solid vs Orkan dash bots. Save your jump!
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Post by vin5240 on Nov 29, 2017 20:37:17 GMT -5
There is no counter to the Dashbot other than a good sense of humour. There's plenty of counters to taran dashes. Plasmahad and Taran Ancilot can kill taran haechis and bulgs. B
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Post by BLYTHE on Nov 29, 2017 20:57:09 GMT -5
There is no counter to the Dashbot other than a good sense of humour. There's plenty of counters to taran dashes. Plasmahad and Taran Ancilot can kill taran haechis and bulgs. B Correction: There are plenty of counters to Dashes when they are piloted badly. In higher leagues, the only counter to a Haechi is another Haechi; otherwise, 1V1, you will always lose. If you don't have any DIESS like me in Master League, you need a sense of humour because you will be going against Champion leaguers with MK2 and at least 3 dashes each.
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Post by rollinfknpower on Nov 29, 2017 21:44:38 GMT -5
Dang I shouldn't have put dash bot in the title of this thread. Was supposed to be about a two heavy lance in all of its as designed glory. Lance was designed for two heavies. It even has the mounting circle on its lid for the second. Even though heachis could still take one down they would definitely have to think twice before rushing in guns blazing. With the evolution of the game, giving lance it's full compliment of weapons makes sense in my opinion.
And sorry folks. Eventually all of your old favorite go to bots will become obsolete. This includes Griffins. Sooner or later they will be hanger bots or support at best. Evolution is a healthy thing.
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Post by BLYTHE on Nov 29, 2017 22:04:04 GMT -5
True that. Dashies do sire quite a bit of dislike. I do apologize for derailing the thread. If the Lance did have another hard point I'd have a thunder with an ancile + tarans that would prove effective against those pesky Das—sorry, there I go again...
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Post by rollinfknpower on Nov 29, 2017 22:20:57 GMT -5
True that. Dashies do sire quite a bit of dislike. I do apologize for derailing the thread. If the Lance did have another hard point I'd have a thunder with an ancile + tarans that would prove effective against those pesky Das—sorry, there I go again... No worries bro. Dash bots are the hot topic and yes the introduction of the dash bots is what makes adding this to lance make more sense. When lance was released it was way OP with just one. Now it seems a bit more viable. Although I really kind of think it would be scarier than the dash bots. Too many ways to set it up. Long range, mid range, knifer. Unless a hiechi ambushed it I really think a good lance pilot could put a hurt on even a good dash pilot. I saw shocktrains mentioned but I don't worry bout that much. They already took a huge nerf (50%) on the chain hits. That's huge. I think it will be nerfed again. Hiechi is getting nerfed as well. They can't do a big nerf on it cause that would anger all the spenders that bought it but expect a lot of small incremental nerfs that slowly bring it back down to earth. There I go on dashers hahaha goodness « Prev1 Read more: war-robots-forum.freeforums.net/thread/17313/ultimate-dash-bot-counter?page=1#ixzz4zsidHIdI
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Post by mechtout on Nov 30, 2017 1:28:49 GMT -5
damn that CRE Lance looks like a nightmare
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Post by ᥣᵃᵛᵃʲᵃᵛᵃ on Nov 30, 2017 2:45:13 GMT -5
Something like this you have in mind? And I threw some extra medium slots for awesomeness. After all nowadays the Lance can't stand a chance against MK2 Orkan Haechi I'll take 2 please - what colours do they come in??
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Post by vin5240 on Nov 30, 2017 2:50:36 GMT -5
There's plenty of counters to taran dashes. Plasmahad and Taran Ancilot can kill taran haechis and bulgs. B Correction: There are plenty of counters to Dashes when they are piloted badly. In higher leagues, the only counter to a Haechi is another Haechi; otherwise, 1V1, you will always lose. If you don't have any DIESS like me in Master League, you need a sense of humour because you will be going against Champion leaguers with MK2 and at least 3 dashes each. Can't argue with that hahaha. When I see a orkan haechi, I already know I'm going to die so I just use the orkan kumiho I got from event and hug it and do as much as I can before I die lol. The highest priority target I look for are the shock train ones. I'm in cover, but my teammate is just like "come fight me fair and square!" in his ancilot and the ST bounces off his shield and hits me. I'm still in cover like "ow....another one...ahnotha wan....yep...I died" lmao.
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Post by BastionOW on Nov 30, 2017 3:01:16 GMT -5
I think I would rather face a heichi than a super Griff lance. Seriously though. Yes the dash bots are OP but they are much better than the death star patton, treb butch/fury show we had a while back. At least I have some chance of shooting at them before I'm turned into a smoldering hulk. Maybe settle for a plasma heavy weapon that complements the taran? You ever heard of the Ember?
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Post by BastionOW on Nov 30, 2017 3:03:49 GMT -5
True that. Dashies do sire quite a bit of dislike. I do apologize for derailing the thread. If the Lance did have another hard point I'd have a thunder with an ancile + tarans that would prove effective against those pesky Das—sorry, there I go again... I'd use two Anciles if that were the case, because 1 Ancile can easily be taken out be three Orkans.
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Post by Refuse2GrowUp on Nov 30, 2017 4:53:15 GMT -5
Lol, I was just looking at the extra hardpoint on the Lance right before jumping on the forums. If only lol. But I do agree it would be rediculously OP. Probably still so even if converted to a light hardpoint.
And not to derailt the thread, but I really think the Raijin could use a top mounted light hardpoint. Make it far back and elevated so that the shields can still slide and the gun would be above the shield. Feels a bit underwhelming without it, but would probably be a bit OP with it. None-the-less, would love to see Raijins more usable.
And @jarvis awesome brother. I like it!!
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Post by BastionOW on Nov 30, 2017 5:03:08 GMT -5
Lol, I was just looking at the extra hardpoint on the Lance right before jumping on the forums. If only lol. But I do agree it would be rediculously OP. Probably still so even if converted to a light hardpoint. And not to derailt the thread, but I really think the Raijin could use a top mounted light hardpoint. Make it far back and elevated so that the shields can still slide and the gun would be above the shield. Feels a bit underwhelming without it, but would probably be a bit OP with it. None-the-less, would love to see Raijins more usable. And @jarvis awesome brother. I like it!! Maybe that's what Raijin really needed, an extra light Hardpoint on the top that's only accessible in Bastion mode.
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Post by tectonic on Nov 30, 2017 5:10:06 GMT -5
If we’re adding hardpoints to bots why don’t we add another light hardpoint to the top of the Leo?
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Post by Alpha on Nov 30, 2017 5:19:07 GMT -5
Has anyone ever noticed that lance has two hard point spots for heavy? That empty spot is just begging for something. Now that would level the playing field against dashers heh? Although it would probably be more OP than dashers to everything but a dasher. Just think of the loadout possibilities though!! Something like this you have in mind? And I threw some extra medium slots for awesomeness. After all nowadays the Lance can't stand a chance against MK2 Orkan Haechi Think you forgot the double speed up as well and the inclusive new shield too :lol:
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Post by weaksauce on Nov 30, 2017 7:45:40 GMT -5
If we're using unused hard points, I know a few others have them as well. Kumiho and Haechi both could mount 4 medium weapons, locations are shown there. Looks like the devs were playing around with options and settled on what they did, but left the hard points in place but unusable. Fun idea, until you apply it universally. The lance would drop dead in most situations vs Quad Shocktrain Haechi or Quad Scourge. As long as they stayed past 350m....
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Post by weaksauce on Nov 30, 2017 7:49:20 GMT -5
As you can clearly see, it would be nothing to add 4 mediums if allowed. The mounts are there, and can mound in either direction. Why not both? Because a Quad anything Kumiho would be insane. Not to mention the Haechi. A 6 slot lance would be breakfast, everything else dessert.
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Post by Refuse2GrowUp on Nov 30, 2017 7:54:41 GMT -5
Wish I had photoshop on this computer. Could have a lot of fun with this lol
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Post by Alpha on Nov 30, 2017 7:56:02 GMT -5
If we're using unused hard points, I know a few others have them as well. Kumiho and Haechi both could mount 4 medium weapons, locations are shown there. Looks like the devs were playing around with options and settled on what they did, but left the hard points in place but unusable. Fun idea, until you apply it universally. The lance would drop dead in most situations vs Quad Shocktrain Haechi or Quad Scourge. As long as they stayed past 350m.... Well the Lance would actually fair better off as i would run a quad Scourge and double zues with these set ups,
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Post by weaksauce on Nov 30, 2017 8:04:28 GMT -5
That might have a chance. But as shown above, in that make believe meta, would be on the same level it is now. If we're using unused hard points, I know a few others have them as well. Kumiho and Haechi both could mount 4 medium weapons, locations are shown there. Looks like the devs were playing around with options and settled on what they did, but left the hard points in place but unusable. Fun idea, until you apply it universally. The lance would drop dead in most situations vs Quad Shocktrain Haechi or Quad Scourge. As long as they stayed past 350m.... Well the Lance would actually fair better off as i would run a quad Scourge and double zues with these set ups,
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Post by Refuse2GrowUp on Nov 30, 2017 8:08:29 GMT -5
If we're using unused hard points, I know a few others have them as well. Kumiho and Haechi both could mount 4 medium weapons, locations are shown there. Looks like the devs were playing around with options and settled on what they did, but left the hard points in place but unusable. Fun idea, until you apply it universally. The lance would drop dead in most situations vs Quad Shocktrain Haechi or Quad Scourge. As long as they stayed past 350m.... Well the Lance would actually fair better off as i would run a quad Scourge and double zues with these set ups, Would also be some 「deteriorated bum-bum」ery Tho let's really have fun with this. I want @jarvis's Close Range Exterminator (CRE), but I want to really make it ridiculous. We can call it the CRE Penetrator Variant. Same double thunders and quad orkans, but add a tower mounted ancile, two 50 degree angled aphids mounted behind the shield mounted orkans, and a punisher mounted under the groin, and protruding appropriately for the varient name
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Post by Koalabear on Nov 30, 2017 9:01:47 GMT -5
Well the Lance would actually fair better off as i would run a quad Scourge and double zues with these set ups, Would also be some 「deteriorated bum-bum」ery Tho let's really have fun with this. I want @jarvis 's Close Range Exterminator (CRE), but I want to really make it ridiculous. We can call it the CRE Penetrator Variant. Same double thunders and quad orkans, but add a tower mounted ancile, two 50 degree angled aphids mounted behind the shield mounted orkans, and a punisher mounted under the groin, and protruding appropriately for the varient name ...and it'll have a walking speed of 5 km/h.
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Post by Refuse2GrowUp on Nov 30, 2017 9:05:28 GMT -5
Would also be some 「deteriorated bum-bum」ery Tho let's really have fun with this. I want @jarvis 's Close Range Exterminator (CRE), but I want to really make it ridiculous. We can call it the CRE Penetrator Variant. Same double thunders and quad orkans, but add a tower mounted ancile, two 50 degree angled aphids mounted behind the shield mounted orkans, and a punisher mounted under the groin, and protruding appropriately for the varient name ...and it'll have a walking speed of 5 km/h. Slow and steady wins the race
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Post by MΞCHДИISΓIC on Nov 30, 2017 9:09:40 GMT -5
Correction: There are plenty of counters to Dashes when they are piloted badly. In higher leagues, the only counter to a Haechi is another Haechi; otherwise, 1V1, you will always lose. If you don't have any DIESS like me in Master League, you need a sense of humour because you will be going against Champion leaguers with MK2 and at least 3 dashes each. Can't argue with that hahaha. When I see a orkan haechi, I already know I'm going to die so I just use the orkan kumiho I got from event and hug it and do as much as I can before I die lol. The highest priority target I look for are the shock train ones. I'm in cover, but my teammate is just like "come fight me fair and square!" in his ancilot and the ST bounces off his shield and hits me. I'm still in cover like "ow....another one...ahnotha wan....yep...I died" lmao. I agree with orkan dashers- the burst damage from 3 orkans is insane. Taran haechis are deadly, but much more manageable to face.
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