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Post by asie on Nov 28, 2017 17:27:37 GMT -5
Hey guys, could anyone tell me why expert 3 is full with hydra guys? Sometimes 2-3 of them are in my team, we collapse, teammates mech out, they stand right at the beacon for a long time and dont capture it. They dont ditch bot, remain in the same all the time. I mean, what's the point? Is it good against haechi or ther dashes? Or good for damage (I dont think so, but who knows). Or are they unable to score against better opponent otherwise? Or are they tanking this way? I seriously cannot understand, why do they do this? What is this crap about?
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Post by moolamu on Nov 28, 2017 20:45:44 GMT -5
Same here in Diamond.
For the love of God please don't spawn anything-Hydra as the first bot.
Loosing that initiative on the first beacons could lose the game right there.
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Post by Radar love on Nov 28, 2017 21:13:14 GMT -5
Preach!
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Post by Nitro on Nov 28, 2017 21:33:49 GMT -5
Dude, I'm in a similar spot as you, except that the Hydras are in the other team and are always a pain in the 「bum-bum」 to chase down and it seems like nerfing them only made them more attractive. It seems like most cover I used to use to hide from those little 「illegitimate child」s is obsolete now because they seem to be able to track around and over it now. I shove me face against a flat wall and the Hydras still somehow clock the top of my noggin.
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Nov 29, 2017 0:10:03 GMT -5
At some point we need to accept that there are pilots who simply don’t have skill, or who don’t care, or who don’t know what they’re doing, and instead of trying to figure out why this happens or keep getting upset by it, in those matches we should just accept the situation is what it is, that it may not result in a win, and just do our best to get as much damage as possible and as many beacons as we can. Despite a loss in these situations, if you turn your anger into a fierce determination to have fun destroying robots and capping beacons, you will be rewarded often with good silver, additional league points and other good stats if that’s your thing. You may also magically produce a win by ‘carrying your team’, in which case you get gold. Is it lame when LR pilots don’t know how to select the LR and MR threats that keep killing you, sure is, but it is what it is, so adjust piloting. If it frustrates you that much, just rush into guns blazing and get silver while you mech out quick and get to the next game. Unfortunately, when my team doesn’t seem to care, I will do just this so I can move on to hopefully a better match. As for people hatin’ on Hydras, all I have to say is:   Go ahead, call me all the bad names you want. It ain’t gonna stop me from smackin’ you silly lol |
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Post by cmdrperalta on Nov 29, 2017 1:24:05 GMT -5
Hydra-Spiral is attractive bc they fixed the splash damage in 3.x and it is now a pretty effective albeit totally annoying build. They actually work best in teams bc they have good range and ability to hit but very low damage. If you level them enough they can really cause some pain. When short distance heavies get to them the good pilots bounce to a new spot. I don't run it but I have started leveling one for my second hangar in dead city and valley.
I don't think it's necessarily low skilled. Sadistic mayvpbe, but usually skilled. The key is to not drop them until you get a beacon advantage and then use them to Harass the other side and force them to cover big distances to come to you and wear them down while clock runs out.
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Post by 7iquid on Nov 29, 2017 1:38:28 GMT -5
It's the same pilots that you encountered in Gold and Silver. Except they had Natasha's with Zenith or Kang Dae's then - thinking of low damage, no beacon cap, etc. Now they have got Spydras instead. Same mindset in my opinion.
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Post by inesb on Nov 29, 2017 5:17:08 GMT -5
I run a Hydra Fujin and I like it a lot. Like every bot setup, they have some pro and cons. Pro´s are the great range of 600m, the ability to shoot from cover and the Ancile. The bad sides are low beacon capping abilities and the vulnerabilty to plasma. With my Hydra Fujin I had some really bad matches, like you described: after a couple of minutes the enemy had 4 beacons, 3 enemy plasma bots were standing at our spawn point and my Fujin was dead. No matter what I respawned, it got under fire instantly as well.
But, with my Hydra Fujin I had many many really great matches as well. Many more than those horrible ones. I love to start with this bot on moon map. There I can maneuver my missiles around almoust every obstacle. The only save place for my enemies is the lower tunnel in the middle. I often get gold for top score, and sometimes I get a repair bill of zero as well.
You don´t like Hydras, hey, that´s ok, everybody has his favorites. But let me tell you, Hydra is not a bad weapon. In a battle, the mixture of bots and weapons determines winner and loser. And in this mixture Hydra has its place.
Just a few days ago I had a very interesting match on moon map. I started with my Hydra Fujin and a second team member did the same. Our two Fujin stayed together the whole match. We won the game. After the match I took a look into the other players profile to see the stats of his Fujin and what else he has got in his hangar. His Fujin was lvl 12 with three lvl12 Hydras. In the match he did 420k damage, I got gold for top score with 860k damage, while my Hydras are just level 10, 11 & 11. Scoring more damage with inferior equipment is amazing due to that it supposedly needs no skill, isn´t it?
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Post by tekkamanblade on Nov 29, 2017 6:56:22 GMT -5
I run a Hydra Fujin and I like it a lot. Like every bot setup, they have some pro and cons. Pro´s are the great range of 600m, the ability to shoot from cover and the Ancile. The bad sides are low beacon capping abilities and the vulnerabilty to plasma. With my Hydra Fujin I had some really bad matches, like you described: after a couple of minutes the enemy had 4 beacons, 3 enemy plasma bots were standing at our spawn point and my Fujin was dead. No matter what I respawned, it got under fire instantly as well.
But, with my Hydra Fujin I had many many really great matches as well. Many more than those horrible ones. I love to start with this bot on moon map. There I can maneuver my missiles around almoust every obstacle. The only save place for my enemies is the lower tunnel in the middle. I often get gold for top score, and sometimes I get a repair bill of zero as well.
You don´t like Hydras, hey, that´s ok, everybody has his favorites. But let me tell you, Hydra is not a bad weapon. In a battle, the mixture of bots and weapons determines winner and loser. And in this mixture Hydra has its place.
Just a few days ago I had a very interesting match on moon map. I started with my Hydra Fujin and a second team member did the same. Our two Fujin stayed together the whole match. We won the game. After the match I took a look into the other players profile to see the stats of his Fujin and what else he has got in his hangar. His Fujin was lvl 12 with three lvl12 Hydras. In the match he did 420k damage, I got gold for top score with 860k damage, while my Hydras are just level 10, 11 & 11. Scoring more damage with inferior equipment is amazing due to that it supposedly needs no skill, isn´t it? But you will never have 1m+ score with this set up. While my thunders tarans orkans always give me easy 1m in diamond. |
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Post by _psychø on Nov 29, 2017 7:18:33 GMT -5
Fortunately, the Hydra fever got me, now I run a Spydra Rhino.
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Post by darkknight on Nov 29, 2017 7:51:53 GMT -5
Time to take out my ancile now..those hydra and spirals kills my kumi even a griffin,Leo,lance can’t kill my kumi but those hydras are so irritating..specislly if 2 hydra players teams up ..sometimes I make sure to kill them even if it means to use all of my bot and most of the time I do unless a enemy is constantly covering for him
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Post by Koalabear on Nov 29, 2017 7:58:30 GMT -5
I will run my Spydra last or close to last. That's when I find it most effective. On matches that get down to the wire, with only a few bots left - some with very little health, you want a bot that has the 600m, and can shoot from cover without exposing yourself. It's actually a VERY effective end game bot.
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Post by suprakoan on Nov 29, 2017 14:18:44 GMT -5
I tried spydra and kind of found the spiral bad, I have MUCH more luck (on most maps) with 2 aphids with the hydra. Seems like the chasers are guaranteed if you have a spiral going off as well, and you are easy to kill after the inevitable fury. Meanwhile, the spirals are not adding useful damage to go with the additional anger. Whereas you get the majority of the same ranged damage with just hydras, and it is more like 50/50 if anybody even chases you... some psychological instinctive reaction I guess, couple periodic stones smacking you relentlessly aren't as annoying as stones AND tickle rockets, they don't chase until a couple more barrages usually. More importantly, if they DO come you usually get a couple aphid punches to the now softened chaser.... or if they don't you can dump hydras away while simultaneously looking to chuck some decent support damage in another direction. Even an aphydra (?) though is 5th slot/change of pace material... and when I do try to use him I'm guaranteed to get dreadnought the next 5 fights (where he isn't great... no 2nd hangar yet).
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Post by hon_shu on Nov 29, 2017 14:31:03 GMT -5
It's annoying but more often than not a red Spydra bot will result in a blue beacon advantage. It gets really deadly when maxed or even Mk2, but that applies to all weapons ..
The usual techniques apply
- If you're leading the pack with a Rog on a small map, you're doomed. Don't get angry and apply the other techniques.
- Stay close to walls to mitigate the damage at least a little. This is good advice in any case, Spydra or not.
- Drop something with an Ancile.
- Stay close to something with an Ancile.
- Take a defensive position or get under a roof if possible when blue has a beacon advantage.
- Figure out where the Spydra spammer is, drop into a PDB or Ancilot and melt the sucker away when the opportunity presents itself.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Nov 29, 2017 15:12:19 GMT -5
I run a Hydra Fujin and I like it a lot. Like every bot setup, they have some pro and cons. Pro´s are the great range of 600m, the ability to shoot from cover and the Ancile. The bad sides are low beacon capping abilities and the vulnerabilty to plasma. With my Hydra Fujin I had some really bad matches, like you described: after a couple of minutes the enemy had 4 beacons, 3 enemy plasma bots were standing at our spawn point and my Fujin was dead. No matter what I respawned, it got under fire instantly as well.
But, with my Hydra Fujin I had many many really great matches as well. Many more than those horrible ones. I love to start with this bot on moon map. There I can maneuver my missiles around almoust every obstacle. The only save place for my enemies is the lower tunnel in the middle. I often get gold for top score, and sometimes I get a repair bill of zero as well.
You don´t like Hydras, hey, that´s ok, everybody has his favorites. But let me tell you, Hydra is not a bad weapon. In a battle, the mixture of bots and weapons determines winner and loser. And in this mixture Hydra has its place.
Just a few days ago I had a very interesting match on moon map. I started with my Hydra Fujin and a second team member did the same. Our two Fujin stayed together the whole match. We won the game. After the match I took a look into the other players profile to see the stats of his Fujin and what else he has got in his hangar. His Fujin was lvl 12 with three lvl12 Hydras. In the match he did 420k damage, I got gold for top score with 860k damage, while my Hydras are just level 10, 11 & 11. Scoring more damage with inferior equipment is amazing due to that it supposedly needs no skill, isn´t it? But you will never have 1m+ score with this set up. While my thunders tarans orkans always give me easy 1m in diamond. Wrong. Totally possible to do a mill+. Doesn't bypass the fact that hydras suck. Garbage. Don't use them. |
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Nov 29, 2017 16:00:27 GMT -5
One of our clan members frequently gets 1mil damage with Spydra.
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Post by inesb on Nov 30, 2017 6:38:13 GMT -5
But you will never have 1m+ score with this set up. While my thunders tarans orkans always give me easy 1m in diamond.
Second, the 5 gold for being top scorer is much more important to me than getting 1m damage. A good horse jumps just as high as it has to. As long as I get the 5 gold reward I don´t care for 1m.
Third, it´s simple mathematics: A Hydra has a max damage output of 896dps* at lvl 11 or 986dps* at lvl 12. A game last 10min which are 600seconds. So one lvl 11 Hydra could do 537,6k damage in a match (three of them 1,6m), one lvl 12 Hydra could do 591,6k damage in a game (three of them 1,77m)
*got those numbers from wiki
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