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Post by suntron on Nov 28, 2017 3:49:48 GMT -5
Dash bots were introduced to force ppl to upgrade. They are perfectly balanced for what they were created to do. I think this would be valid if they separated the whales from the rest better. I'm in Silver and when I see a dash I know it will be a terrible game even if it is on my team. They dominate the game, do all the damage and grab all the beacons. I would suggest only allowing them in gold 1 and above in Android. The other platforms seem easier.
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Post by Trogon on Nov 28, 2017 9:34:51 GMT -5
It’s been said to death by many better than me, but worth repeating as often as possible: bring back the ability to outrun/backpedal rockets and Gala/fast bots become viable again. Might even bring balance to the force here in War Robots as an indirect nerf to Ork Haechi. And if all physical shields blocked shocktrain, you’ve got yourself a stew! Even better than this would be removing splash from Aphids and Hydras. Used to be able to take them on the shield and avoid damage. Not anymore. The changes in rocket dynamics and adding splash to the guided missiles are just a couple of the many buffs over the past year that have moved this to a lower-skill insta-kill game.
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Post by GuitarGuy on Nov 28, 2017 10:52:44 GMT -5
agreed. If I was one of those whales I wouldn't spend on a dash bot If it didn't have the OP ability of a double dash. Atleast I wouldn't spend 300 on them. And we all know at this point that pixonic has shown its greedy colors so nerfing the dashbots to a point where they are balanced would only happen if pix was developing an even more powerfull one. (lets just hope that they don't make one that can teleport or go supper sayjin. but guitar guy u have a point. It would make no sense business wise. That's why I mentioned a rush ability for a galahad. It would give us atleast a paintball gun to face our opponents with mini guns instead of facing them with slingshots. basically we would atleast have some form of defense because currently, unless we are sporting zeuses on fast bots like carnage or furys or plasma on griffins, we are pretty much fighting our enemy with sling shots. Pix will nerf the dash bots into near balance (directly or indirectly) before the next major OP bot release. Prior to the nerfing they will be sold at huge discount levels and will be easily obtainable via the gambling mechanisms. Actually, The nerf on the Haechi has already begun. I noticed a few days ago that if I get below 50K health (mine are MKII Level 11) That it will say "Legs Damaged" just like the Gepard would do and the bots speed when not dashing is greatly reduced. Also, It seems weapons get blown off a little easier then before.
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Post by Domino on Nov 28, 2017 11:07:17 GMT -5
Something just that popped in my head that would help is a new game mode. Hear me out. What if there was a mode where you chose your own map you played in? Yeah yeah I know people would become all snipers or brawlers but I'm sure pix could add a drawing mechanism to it where you have to pick a certain group of bots you'd have ready for that mode. Just a thought but I would love being able to chose my map and take in my batch of bots randomly. That's actually a great idea however phoenix has already reached out to pixonic and sujested this and they told him that they didn't want to give the player the choice of maps because they didn't want people to be fully optimized for a map. here is a link to the video 4:25-5:50 is where he talks about that and explains why. however if u haven't watched the full video I recommend u do.
You realize the new hangar system does exactly that, allows for map optimization. You just need to pay through the nose to get it. So instead of saying "We don't want people to be fully optimized for a map" they really meant "We don't want people to be fully optimized for a map, unless they pay for it"
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Post by tharsis on Nov 28, 2017 16:08:12 GMT -5
Lets face it this game has been thrown off the limbo as far as balance goes after the release of the Korean bots. There have been many suggestions from the community to either ban the dash bots or make them available to everyone. The problem with making them accessable to everyone is that it would make every single bot (besides the griffin, ancelot, fury and mabey carnage) obsolete. The problem with banning them is that pix is greedy and wont do it because pulling 300$ from a sucker who is willing to pay them to win is just too good of an offer for them to pass. So the question is what could be done to balance the already existing problem. Well I noticed that the lance has a special rush ability and it gave me the idea that adding a slightly more powerful rush to the gallahad could allow the plasmahad to have a way to counter the haiechi or kumhio. I'm not saying give the gallahad a dash ability, I'm saying give it one of those turbo rush abilities like the lance has. The combination of the physical shield, rush ability and plasma could allow the gallahad to become a meaningfull way of countering a dash bot (unless it has shock trains). I look at the gallahad every day and I just feel like it wants to rush. What do u guys think about this. Yes yes fix the mm would be the better way to go but we all know pix dosent care about fixing the mm. Oh and even with the rush abilities the dashes would still have the upper hand so the whales would continue to spend on them so I doubt it would cause much harm to pix and their stash of benjamins. Sorry I'm not taking the time to read others replies (will do so later), so forgive me if I am echoing others thoughts. I do not think buffing one bot will in anyway provide a more balanced game. The only way to obtain balance is to nerf OP bots or buff numerous bots to make them more competitive with OP bots. Suggesting to buff only a single bot might make it a more balanced game for you, but that is only because of a bias and personal play style. I fully expect the dash bots, or any new, premium content, to be slightly more powerful that existing equipment. But the key word there is slightly. Maybe a 10-15% advantage, or power creep, over existing game content. This provides a slight edge to indice sales, but doesn't fullymake it P2W, and keeps the emphasis on skill - tho admittedly if two equally skilled players go head-to-head and one has newer gear, that player would win, but such is life. Pix made the new bots and weapons significantly stronger than existing bots/weapons and that is what most players have issue with. Plus the shocktrain was implemented in a way that completely ruins team play. Simply, nerf the dash bots, shock train, and inferno (ninja nerfed in 3.4?) or buff several preexisting bots to make them more competitive with new stuff (and thus mitigate reasons for players to request refunds due to nerfs). hi refuse to grow up we came to an agreement that buffing the gallahad wont really counter the dashes in the earlier replies. however other members came up with better ideas go ahead and read them. As for the gallahad well unfortunately its gonna join the tea party of retirement(lance will join them soon) with the rhino and other bots that are no longer viable because of the OP dash bots and have long chats about their glory days like one member on here said. Unfortunatly as great as ur idea to balance the Korean bots (yes its basically the fix we need) is not viable because pixstalinsonics greed will keep the dashes where they are so that people keep paying 300$+ for one. And regardless how many community members have asked them to balance the bots they continue to ignore us so unfortunately that's not gonna happen unless they release another OP bots that smoke the dashes. And well if they smoke the dashes then we might as well say goodbye to the game because we will all become seals to get clubbed and turned into fur coats
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Post by iamgoot on Nov 28, 2017 16:25:32 GMT -5
To be honest as others have noted...the way to solve this is not to add things to other bots but to scale back the power of the dash bots. Kumiho is fine as it is...haechi needs the most change and an effective way is to cut the dash from 2 to 1...however I would say increase the distance of a dash slightly as a single dash really doesn't get you far hence the importance of the 2 dashes. By only having 1 it will still be strong but not nearly as capable of dominating games like now.
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Post by tharsis on Nov 28, 2017 16:41:18 GMT -5
That's actually a great idea however phoenix has already reached out to pixonic and sujested this and they told him that they didn't want to give the player the choice of maps because they didn't want people to be fully optimized for a map. here is a link to the video 4:25-5:50 is where he talks about that and explains why. however if u haven't watched the full video I recommend u do.
You realize the new hangar system does exactly that, allows for map optimization. You just need to pay through the nose to get it. So instead of saying "We don't want people to be fully optimized for a map" they really meant "We don't want people to be fully optimized for a map, unless they pay for it" exactly! 59$ just so u can be competitive and how many free to play players have 59$ (7500 gold) worth of gold in their accounts. yeah imagin how much time it would take the average free to play player just to grind the resources needed to aquire a second hanger. Not to mention every new player needs to get their 5 hanger slots first to be competitive. That's an extra 6100 added to the 7500. so the total is 13600 gold. yes I get that the new hanger system allows for map optimization. But for who? the whales that blow hundreds of dollars with maxed out Korean bots and sniper fury bots offcoarse! not U and me (unless ur a whale)
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Post by Domino on Nov 28, 2017 16:46:05 GMT -5
You realize the new hangar system does exactly that, allows for map optimization. You just need to pay through the nose to get it. So instead of saying "We don't want people to be fully optimized for a map" they really meant "We don't want people to be fully optimized for a map, unless they pay for it" exactly! 59$ just so u can be competitive and how many free to play players have 59$ (7500 gold) worth of gold in their accounts. yeah imagin how much time it would take the average free to play player just to grind the resources needed to aquire a second hanger. Not to mention every new player needs to get their 5 hanger slots first to be competitive. That's an extra 6100 added to the 7500. so the total is 13600 gold. yes I get that the new hanger system allows for map optimization. But for who? the whales that blow hundreds of dollars with maxed out Korean bots and sniper fury bots offcoarse! not U and me (unless ur a whale) I have enough Au to buy a second hangar but not enough bots/weapons to complete it. They believe this is by intention, if the you could template different scenario's off the same bots and it would utilize that template based on hangar selection then ALOT more ppl will buy this. However to have 10+ bots/weapons all in a synchronous power level, that requires someone who spent a lot of money, time or both. i'm 1.5 years into this roughly and I have about 7 lvl 9 bots that all have lvl 9/10 weapons.
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Post by T34 on Nov 28, 2017 17:00:08 GMT -5
Pix will nerf the dash bots into near balance (directly or indirectly) before the next major OP bot release. Prior to the nerfing they will be sold at huge discount levels and will be easily obtainable via the gambling mechanisms. Actually, The nerf on the Haechi has already begun. I noticed a few days ago that if I get below 50K health (mine are MKII Level 11) That it will say "Legs Damaged" just like the Gepard would do and the bots speed when not dashing is greatly reduced. Also, It seems weapons get blown off a little easier then before. I only play on IOS and haven't played with the update yet. So it got the secret weapons dropping nerf as well? I hate when bots drop weapons early and at 50K HP left that's just frustrating.
I think this round of nerfing and perhaps the next balancing will aim to fit the Haechi into the new meta. the weapons dropping nerf can be easily reversed without publicity. sort of a way out for pix. The severe nerfing I was talking about will come at the next transition to a new set of super bots.
In relation to the new bots the haechi is/was strong IMO. it is most likely for the better if the new meta is balanced for the new mega bots where they are equally viable. don't think they will ever be balanced for the older bots with perhaps the only exception being the lancelot. I would like to see a buff to the lance but at 5000 Au a pop it is not going to happen for a long time.
Again, I haven't played but sort of suspect the shield nerf is considerable. On the other hand I suspect the speed nerf is minor (maybe eating my own words soon). During head to head testing the haechi beat a gareth in Shenzhen to about the 500m mark. from than on the gareth started to pull away. that means the haechi traversed that first 500m at an average speed of 60kmph. Its victory was a result of the dash which the nerfing did not touch. so maybe it will be traversing distance at 59 kmph now (PS: I do realise there are more consideration for speed besides a drag race)..
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Post by tharsis on Nov 28, 2017 17:06:51 GMT -5
exactly! 59$ just so u can be competitive and how many free to play players have 59$ (7500 gold) worth of gold in their accounts. yeah imagin how much time it would take the average free to play player just to grind the resources needed to aquire a second hanger. Not to mention every new player needs to get their 5 hanger slots first to be competitive. That's an extra 6100 added to the 7500. so the total is 13600 gold. yes I get that the new hanger system allows for map optimization. But for who? the whales that blow hundreds of dollars with maxed out Korean bots and sniper fury bots offcoarse! not U and me (unless ur a whale) I have enough Au to buy a second hangar but not enough bots/weapons to complete it. They believe this is by intention, if the you could template different scenario's off the same bots and it would utilize that template based on hangar selection then ALOT more ppl will buy this. However to have 10+ bots/weapons all in a synchronous power level, that requires someone who spent a lot of money, time or both. i'm 1.5 years into this roughly and I have about 7 lvl 9 bots that all have lvl 9/10 weapons. but remember 1.5 years ago this was a different game. players fell in love with the game because it was about skill and not about how much u spent. U could spend money and have the advantage of having some bots that had the upper hand but ultimately if u didn't have skill ur gold bots or weapons would be usless against experienced players. The game was much more balanced back then. u were lucky to see a fujin in recruit league. I had to start over because I lost my account and had to go through the lowest tiers again and I was seeing raijins, carnages and even a few whales with dash bots in the freakin recruit league playing against players that barley have a leo in their hanger. If I didn't know how to play and had started to play this game this year, I would have left immedietly. so imagin new players dealing with that. the chances are much better that they uninstall the app.
oh yeah and I think I read somewhere that your second hanger cant have the same bot as your first hanger. something like that. If I'm wrong and anyone has the accurate information please feel free to correct me
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Post by deputy666 on Nov 28, 2017 17:20:06 GMT -5
Lets face it this game has been thrown off the limbo as far as balance goes after the release of the Korean bots. There have been many suggestions from the community to either ban the dash bots or make them available to everyone. The problem with making them accessable to everyone is that it would make every single bot (besides the griffin, ancelot, fury and mabey carnage) obsolete. The problem with banning them is that pix is greedy and wont do it because pulling 300$ from a sucker who is willing to pay them to win is just too good of an offer for them to pass. So the question is what could be done to balance the already existing problem. Well I noticed that the lance has a special rush ability and it gave me the idea that adding a slightly more powerful rush to the gallahad could allow the plasmahad to have a way to counter the haiechi or kumhio. I'm not saying give the gallahad a dash ability, I'm saying give it one of those turbo rush abilities like the lance has. The combination of the physical shield, rush ability and plasma could allow the gallahad to become a meaningfull way of countering a dash bot (unless it has shock trains). I look at the gallahad every day and I just feel like it wants to rush. What do u guys think about this. Yes yes fix the mm would be the better way to go but we all know pix dosent care about fixing the mm. Oh and even with the rush abilities the dashes would still have the upper hand so the whales would continue to spend on them so I doubt it would cause much harm to pix and their stash of benjamins. 2 things...(1)Firstly, pretty sure the dash bots ARE available to everyone. All you have to do is come up with the cash. Pixonic certainly isn't discriminating against anyone. They will gladly take your cash. If you don't have the cash, work for it or beg for it from Mommy and Daddy. The third way to get it I won't recommend because eventually you end up sharing a small cubicle with Bubba (2) second thing, you say "pix is greedy and wont do it because pulling 300$ from a sucker who is willing to pay them to win". Sounds like you are saying if said "sucker" buys a dash bot, he will always win. I started a whole tread about how Pay to Win is a myth. Perhaps you should look into it.
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Post by tharsis on Nov 28, 2017 21:48:57 GMT -5
Lets face it this game has been thrown off the limbo as far as balance goes after the release of the Korean bots. There have been many suggestions from the community to either ban the dash bots or make them available to everyone. The problem with making them accessable to everyone is that it would make every single bot (besides the griffin, ancelot, fury and mabey carnage) obsolete. The problem with banning them is that pix is greedy and wont do it because pulling 300$ from a sucker who is willing to pay them to win is just too good of an offer for them to pass. So the question is what could be done to balance the already existing problem. Well I noticed that the lance has a special rush ability and it gave me the idea that adding a slightly more powerful rush to the gallahad could allow the plasmahad to have a way to counter the haiechi or kumhio. I'm not saying give the gallahad a dash ability, I'm saying give it one of those turbo rush abilities like the lance has. The combination of the physical shield, rush ability and plasma could allow the gallahad to become a meaningfull way of countering a dash bot (unless it has shock trains). I look at the gallahad every day and I just feel like it wants to rush. What do u guys think about this. Yes yes fix the mm would be the better way to go but we all know pix dosent care about fixing the mm. Oh and even with the rush abilities the dashes would still have the upper hand so the whales would continue to spend on them so I doubt it would cause much harm to pix and their stash of benjamins. 2 things...(1)Firstly, pretty sure the dash bots ARE available to everyone. All you have to do is come up with the cash. Pixonic certainly isn't discriminating against anyone. They will gladly take your cash. If you don't have the cash, work for it or beg for it from Mommy and Daddy. The third way to get it I won't recommend because eventually you end up sharing a small cubicle with Bubba (2) second thing, you say "pix is greedy and wont do it because pulling 300$ from a sucker who is willing to pay them to win". Sounds like you are saying if said "sucker" buys a dash bot, he will always win. I started a whole tread about how Pay to Win is a myth. Perhaps you should look into it. So the expert conclusion that u get from playing this game for only 3 weeks so far is that pay to win is an unnacurate term used by noobs who complain too much and apparently according to your thread lack the skills to win. Ok ur right if some rich 「cotton headed ninny muggins」 only buys a hanger full of mk2 haiechi with level 12 mk2 shock trains it definetly dosent mean he is gonna win automatically, it means his team only has an 97% chance of winning (unless offcoarse the other team has a whale as well), if the team opposing the whale has campers than the that percentage goes to 99%. If the team opposing the whale dosent utilize team work or decides to play robot wars and ignore the beacons (like they do in silver which is where u play) then that whale's team only has a 99.99999999999% chance of winning. congradulations sir u figured out that pay to win really means Pay to have very very very good chance of winning.
On a side note after selling my kidneys I did ask my sugary mommy bubba for some money and she/he(not shure) said yes. but then after reading the user agreement and realizing that by playing the game u are basically agreeing to any "balancing" that pixonic feels like doing. such as the nerfing your purchased bots for the purpose of getting u to buy new ones. I just thought I would pass. So for ur first argument all I can say is that reading should become part of ur life.
Now then on a more important note can u please tell me why on earth u bought a raijin with real money during the black Friday sale? face palm!! see I cant even take u seriously now. u do realize u can get one for free right? And its not like u have to do much to get one u just have to wait.Also a raijin is pretty much useless past slilver and its only current function in silver right now is to spawn on a beacon and defend it if its getting over run. aside from that its just a big bag of silver for whoever is willing to take it with their orkans. or in silvers case pinatas and camping natashas with zenits(although orkans are somewhat there too now a days)
u would have been better off buying the carnage. Those can be competitive in any tier
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Nov 28, 2017 23:21:08 GMT -5
Lets face it this game has been thrown off the limbo as far as balance goes after the release of the Korean bots. There have been many suggestions from the community to either ban the dash bots or make them available to everyone. The problem with making them accessable to everyone is that it would make every single bot (besides the griffin, ancelot, fury and mabey carnage) obsolete. The problem with banning them is that pix is greedy and wont do it because pulling 300$ from a sucker who is willing to pay them to win is just too good of an offer for them to pass. So the question is what could be done to balance the already existing problem. Well I noticed that the lance has a special rush ability and it gave me the idea that adding a slightly more powerful rush to the gallahad could allow the plasmahad to have a way to counter the haiechi or kumhio. I'm not saying give the gallahad a dash ability, I'm saying give it one of those turbo rush abilities like the lance has. The combination of the physical shield, rush ability and plasma could allow the gallahad to become a meaningfull way of countering a dash bot (unless it has shock trains). I look at the gallahad every day and I just feel like it wants to rush. What do u guys think about this. Yes yes fix the mm would be the better way to go but we all know pix dosent care about fixing the mm. Oh and even with the rush abilities the dashes would still have the upper hand so the whales would continue to spend on them so I doubt it would cause much harm to pix and their stash of benjamins. 2 things...(1)Firstly, pretty sure the dash bots ARE available to everyone. All you have to do is come up with the cash. Pixonic certainly isn't discriminating against anyone. They will gladly take your cash. If you don't have the cash, work for it or beg for it from Mommy and Daddy. The third way to get it I won't recommend because eventually you end up sharing a small cubicle with Bubba (2) second thing, you say "pix is greedy and wont do it because pulling 300$ from a sucker who is willing to pay them to win". Sounds like you are saying if said "sucker" buys a dash bot, he will always win. I started a whole tread about how Pay to Win is a myth. Perhaps you should look into it. This guy again... Your troll game is strong, my friend! Your posts bring this pic to mind when I read them...
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Post by The VVatcher on Nov 29, 2017 1:22:47 GMT -5
His troll is too strong for me
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