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Post by inspirace on Nov 27, 2017 16:32:31 GMT -5
thinking of write this away before things changed after the 2nd hangar introduced continued from this post in another thread: war-robots-forum.freeforums.net/post/217418/thread... recently I have enjoyed 58~78% win rate for quite some time at master2@ios, without any component gears (or “DIESST” gears) and wondered why this is happening. in short, I realized it’s not just skill but also attitude. I once saw a post saying “if you want to win, play Domination with a CQC hangar”. I found sth similar. during the stretch with >60% win, I often played Domination bcs of beacon and light bot daily tasks. what I did were as following: 1. run a “close quarter support” hangar in Domination (hangar is in my signature), 2. did whatever I can to win, no matter what. this often involves capping beacons efficiently (i.e. if a teammate go to one, I go to another) and using teammates with better gears (e.g. Ancilots) as much as I can, what I didn’t or was not, were these: 3. leave or fade. if wife calls during the battle, let her wait a bit (...) 4. a champ with DIESST Mk2 gears, 5. in a champ squad, all battles were played as a random solo pilot. so in a 6-vs-6 matchup, my team has 1/6 more chance of having 1 and 2, while 1/6 LESS chance of having 3, 4, or 5. 3 and 5 are among the most decisive factors, if they ever happen. I realize having less leaver in my team (because I am not a leaver) (would guarantee a win) is slightly more frequent than meeting a full champ squad (would guarantee a loss). so chance of winning increases a bit (although not necessarily significant) just by having the right attitude. now it’s 1 and 2 (factor for win) vs 4 (factor for loss). here I think 1 and 2 were winning over 4. especially the factor 1 was interesting. in many Domination games I won, I realize I fought against bots like Zeus or Tempest Furies in maps like Moon and Dead City. this has been certainly an advantage. in the Moon I don’t remember when was the last time I lost except against full Champs or with more leaver/faders in my team. DC was also decent, followed by PP and Valley. now in larger maps, SF, Yam, Canyon, and to some extend SZ, I would be at a disadvantage. but the disadvantage was not as great as the advantage I am getting at smaller map. in fact, my win% at SF and Yam have been not at all bad. Canyon was so-so, and SZ has been my weakest point. this would be a typical, representative battle result: both team had one full DIESST hangars on top, the red one greener (more Mk2) than the blue one. let them fight each other and I cap beacons in the meantime ... this was less pronounced in Beacn Rush. the win rate once 78% went down to 58% now, especially those 4~5 consecutive losses right after switching back to the Beacon Rush. but it has been staying there for a week now. ... it will be interesting to see how this will change once the second hangar hit the ios world,
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Post by ᎶƦ℮℮ƊᎽ ƤΛƝƊΛ on Nov 27, 2017 16:43:52 GMT -5
The hole in the story is the league system. How have you steadily maintained 60% without moving up to Champions? Unless you finish towards the bottom of your team every game, which most people are not okay with (you aren't earning much other than harder matches that way).
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Post by inspirace on Nov 27, 2017 16:47:22 GMT -5
The hole in the story is the league system. How have you steadily maintained 60% without moving up to Champions? Unless you finish towards the bottom of your team every game, which most people are not okay with (you aren't earning much other than harder matches that way). easy I am getting -22 in SZ and other larger maps, often being the only one who tried to cap beacons. and when I win, I am usually at 3rd~6th in damage, with highest ones often go to Shocktrain etc. teammates, I earn extra Au mostly through beacon awards, and I am advancing, albeit slowly. now almost master1,
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Post by TheWWRNerdGuy on Nov 27, 2017 17:56:11 GMT -5
Alternatively, you can play on FBGR or Amazon!
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Post by ᎶƦ℮℮ƊᎽ ƤΛƝƊΛ on Nov 27, 2017 18:04:31 GMT -5
The hole in the story is the league system. How have you steadily maintained 60% without moving up to Champions? Unless you finish towards the bottom of your team every game, which most people are not okay with (you aren't earning much other than harder matches that way). easy I am getting -22 in SZ and other larger maps, often being the only one who tried to cap beacons. and when I win, I am usually at 3rd~6th in damage, with highest ones often go to Shocktrain etc. teammates, I earn extra Au mostly through beacon awards, and I am advancing, albeit slowly. now almost master1, That was my guess. Many people aren't okay with this, as it becomes a real grind to accumulate silver. Personally I switch back and forth between going heavy damage and heavy beacons so I can keep a steady league ranking while accumulating silver.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2017 18:23:18 GMT -5
I'm using the same strategy as you. When I was in M1, it would pit me against DIE Whale, so that was bad. I can't duke it out and hope to beat. I need a Whale on my team to balance, and then work behind the scenes.
I integrate this into a holistic strategy because I am trying to get components too. I assume you are farming Au because that is the only thing you can farm. WSP is constant. The only caveat is that my Au earnings is only marginally better, so I don't know if it's worth it. So I just play for fun, and try different builds and strategies.
My smurf account is a bit better at 60% now. Also easier to earn Au bonus and get 10 Au a match, but then I usually get put into Expert game as G1.
I was about to make a similar post during the event because I went up to 70%. "How to win more wo pay2win hanger", but I think many don't want to "win" like this with legacy hanger.
I also suspect the MM is hanger based. When I put in my Raijin, I can summon a Raijin on the other side. When I put in my meta bots, I get matched against Whales. When I put in Gepards and funky builds, I get an easier game and some help. I know for a fact pre-MM, that they had the code to do this, so it won't be hard to put it back in.
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Post by rustedscrap on Nov 27, 2017 18:48:23 GMT -5
Wow Op. You definitely hit the nail on the head. I agree with every point you make. I do almost the exact same thing although i admit ive spent quite a bit of money on this game mainly cuz work/home life prevents me from grinding. Life's a grind after all.
Factoring the fact that I'm closing in on my 2nd year of playing averaging 30 to 60 minutes a day most days. I still feel like it's money well spent; less than .25 cents per day. While I can't afford any components at current prices I still have a lot of fun and I am holding steady in champ with 55% wins. Usually top 4 damage and 1 of 3 matches I get the beacon cap award.
Definitely a positive attitude and never die/never quit attitude is key. That and join a like minded clan helps too.
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Post by T34 on Nov 27, 2017 19:17:07 GMT -5
I'm using the same strategy as you. When I was in M1, it would pit me against DIE Whale, so that was bad. I can't duke it out and hope to beat. I need a Whale on my team to balance, and then work behind the scenes. I integrate this into a holistic strategy because I am trying to get components too. I assume you are farming Au because that is the only thing you can farm. WSP is constant. The only caveat is that my Au earnings is only marginally better, so I don't know if it's worth it. So I just play for fun, and try different builds and strategies. My smurf account is a bit better at 60% now. Also easier to earn Au bonus and get 10 Au a match, but then I usually get put into Expert game as G1. I was about to make a similar post during the event because I went up to 70%. "How to win more wo pay2win hanger", but I think many don't want to "win" like this with legacy hanger. I also suspect the MM is hanger based. When I put in my Raijin, I can summon a Raijin on the other side. When I put in my meta bots, I get matched against Whales. When I put in Gepards and funky builds, I get an easier game and some help. I know for a fact pre-MM, that they had the code to do this, so it won't be hard to put it back in. I agree with you that the MM takes hanger into consideration for selection. For the hack of it at times I put in two long rangers, 3 medium rangers and one knifer. Haven’t done the maths but I reckon I see SF and Yama 80% of the time. Hardly see the other maps. When I put in a beacon hanger, again, more often than not the MM-ing allocates an advantageous map. And when I put in a damage hanger again allocation of team mates and maps changes (haven’t paid attention to the outcome under the later circumstance) Is the MM trying to accommodate my hanger by giving me optimal maps. I don’t think so. What I think is happening is that during the allocation the MM tries to assemble a patrial team that is well balanced in terms of bots and weapons for a particular map. First the MM selects the people who have been waiting the longest. Then allocates a map and then tries to fill the rest of the team to ensure the contest is balanced. When you configure a specialist hanger (eg, long/medium range) the probability of ending up on a long map will be higher because the long maps have a higher requirement for long range set ups and most people would not have such an extreme hanger configuration. An example for what I am trying to say is - a long map requires 12 long/meduim range setups per team. But 5 pre- allocated players only have one of these per hanger which leaves the allocation target 7 mid/long range setups unfulfilled. So it grabs the player who has a large portion of long/medium rangers and hence the MM comes very close to the allocation target. Same guiding principle holds for beacon capping and damage hangers. When you put out a damage hanger the MM probably looks for the amount of damage you cause using knifers. By allocating you to a team it is more likely than not that the rest of the players will have on average a hanger that is less orientated on causing damage by knifers. Since the MM will try and assemble the red team in a similar way and in relation to the strength of the blue team you will run into heavy opposition. There seems to be a correlation. But as we all know correlation is no causation so it all could be horse poo.
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Post by inspirace on Nov 27, 2017 22:18:57 GMT -5
haha ... I fell to 48% as soon as I wrote (brag) about my ~60% win rate today been playing Beacon Ruch for a while, but today I have again the 40Au "kill two with a light bot in a battle" (time to take out the Stalker again) and "liberate hostile beacons" task, so I changed gear to Domination. and did I talk about the advantage of running CQ hangar in small map Domination? I just had four Canyon and one Yam battles and lost all of them. man, talk about multiple Shocktrucks Mk2s on Canyon ... I guess this is the MM's answer to my somewhat bragging post. I also tend to have a losing streak every time I switch between battle modes, so it may be just that. will see. anyways, I completed the light bot task at the Yam loss (immediately putting back the Stalker) and scored another >1M in a losing effort in Canyon, so those were something to boast about: battle video available here: war-robots-forum.freeforums.net/post/217571/thread... and one of the Shocktrucks I met in another Canyon loss. guy didn’t even care to upgrade the 4th and 5th bots:
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Post by ezekielcrow on Nov 28, 2017 1:40:14 GMT -5
Good point OP. I've actually been playing like this for some time. Just trying to help out where I think my team needs me. It really hones the battle senses since you have to willfully suppress tunnel vision and disengage to do something more important. Ive found: Im capping more beacons. (Since I normally run a fast hangar) Im doing way more damage (500k to 700k with increasing frequency) I finally broke out of gold 3. I average 1-2 kills per game. (Way down) Win percentage is now past 50% from 38% and climbing slowly.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 14:24:34 GMT -5
haha ... I fell to 48% as soon as I wrote (brag) about my ~60% win rate today been playing Beacon Ruch for a while, but today I have again the 40Au "kill two with a light bot in a battle" (time to take out the Stalker again) and "liberate hostile beacons" task, so I changed gear to Domination. and did I talk about the advantage of running CQ hangar in small map Domination? I just had four Canyon and one Yam battles and lost all of them. man, talk about multiple Shocktrucks Mk2s on Canyon ... I guess this is the MM's answer to my somewhat bragging post. I also tend to have a losing streak every time I switch between battle modes, so it may be just that. will see. anyways, I completed the light bot task at the Yam loss (immediately putting back the Stalker) and scored another >1M in a losing effort in Canyon, so those were something to boast about: battle video available here: war-robots-forum.freeforums.net/post/217571/thread... and one of the Shocktrucks I met in another Canyon loss. guy didn’t even care to upgrade the 4th and 5th bots: I was about to write a post after 70% War Robots but feared the same thing happening. I think the task chain went from wins to whatever was next. Maybe dmg, since I remember changing my playstyle. I can't explain it, how I did it and whether it was a fluke or MM tricks. During that time, I was just on the winning side, so I got like 5,6 wins an hour whereas at the beginning of the event I'd be lucky to get more than 1 win per hour for some reason. I also noticed during my beacon capping spree, there would be mass beacon capping on my side so I'd be lucky to cap more than 1 beacon and had to time it right to share a beacon cap, plus the other side had way more cappers than usual. Shenzhen is usually one of the easiest to win due to its small size. I try to 4 cap so they have only their home beacon. Then they're boxed in, and can't get another beacon. Games are pretty short. Yes, I have to be more aggressive and sometimes sacrifice to get the beacon advantage. It's a risk/reward thing, and if I'm successful, I will mech out but game will be over in 3-4 minutes. But I get the win and more importantly the beacon Au and some dmg Au since I got my dmg in fast.
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Post by hon_shu on Nov 28, 2017 14:45:34 GMT -5
I have learnt to accept win/lose ratio as pretty random. Sometimes I'm down to 38%, then up to 60%, and I don't feel I play that much differently in between. It's mostly a function of the match maker, unless maybe you're the damage-dominant player or make some pretty smart moves (like capturing a beacon behind enemy lines in BR) or it comes down to a 1-on-1 at the end.
Also, I would add one more tip, especially if league score is your main goal. If you see that the battle will be short, don't get fancy and get beacons, focus on getting a few clear shots in to get your damage.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 15:01:16 GMT -5
I have learnt to accept win/lose ratio as pretty random. Sometimes I'm down to 38%, then up to 60%, and I don't feel I play that much differently in between. It's mostly a function of the match maker, unless maybe you're the damage-dominant player or make some pretty smart moves (like capturing a beacon behind enemy lines in BR) or it comes down to a 1-on-1 at the end. Also, I would add one more tip, especially if league score is your main goal. If you see that the battle will be short, don't get fancy and get beacons, focus on getting a few clear shots in to get your damage. Wins are more important nowadays because it generates Au for the winning side. There's no way to farm WSP, so before many high level players like myself had all the Gold bots and weapons. Now it's possible keys are worth more, but in trade off of getting stuff you don't have but don't really want either. So I got 6400 components for Tempest from Gold Chest. One offer I see quickly that I screencapped (so may be better out there) is Tempest 1430 + Inquisitor 360 bundle for 1500 Au. So almost 6400 Au to get that amount of components through daily offers. So keys > Au.
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Post by Ⓑⓞⓑ Ⓓⓨⓛⓐⓝ on Nov 28, 2017 15:01:43 GMT -5
(hangar is in my signature), Purely curious, do you still run a thunder carnage? I keep trying (mine is level 11 with 11 thunders) and I consider myself a good carnage pilot but I get absolutely eaten alive by plasma.
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Post by hon_shu on Nov 28, 2017 15:18:07 GMT -5
I have learnt to accept win/lose ratio as pretty random. Sometimes I'm down to 38%, then up to 60%, and I don't feel I play that much differently in between. It's mostly a function of the match maker, unless maybe you're the damage-dominant player or make some pretty smart moves (like capturing a beacon behind enemy lines in BR) or it comes down to a 1-on-1 at the end. Also, I would add one more tip, especially if league score is your main goal. If you see that the battle will be short, don't get fancy and get beacons, focus on getting a few clear shots in to get your damage. Wins are more important nowadays because it generates Au for the winning side. There's no way to farm WSP, so before many high level players like myself had all the Gold bots and weapons. Now it's possible keys are worth more, but in trade off of getting stuff you don't have but don't really want either. So I got 6400 components for Tempest from Gold Chest. One offer I see quickly that I screencapped (so may be better out there) is Tempest 1430 + Inquisitor 360 bundle for 1500 Au. So almost 6400 Au to get that amount of components through daily offers. So keys > Au. Well, that certainly depends on your luck. I've opened my share of Gold and Superchests and never really gotten anything useful from it. Mostly more keys, some Au, a third Galahad, etc. I prefer the steady stream of component income from Bronze/Silver chests but I don't think it's more significant than picking up daily component deals. Also, Au can be converted to WSP at a pretty good rate if you do only the first few conversions daily. I get some 1100 WSP each day, a few more if there's a really good deal I want to get. IMO that's the best way get those deals.
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Post by zer00eyz on Nov 28, 2017 15:19:40 GMT -5
if wife calls during the battle, let her wait a bit (...) Lets face facts, your sleeping on the couch and playing a LOT of War Robots.
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Post by inspirace on Nov 28, 2017 15:28:24 GMT -5
(hangar is in my signature), Purely curious, do you still run a thunder carnage? I keep trying (mine is level 11 with 11 thunders) and I consider myself a good carnage pilot but I get absolutely eaten alive by plasma. yes, Thunder Carn is usually the no 2 hitter in my lineup. its main role is to strip enemy Anciles while hiding behind a cover. I can strip an Ancile from 500m with a few clean shots, and once I do it, the red bots usually stop advancing and blue teammates get the cue and concentrate their rockets on them. I don’t expect it to score kills or damages, unless red Griffin/Rog/Dashes jump/dash TOWARDS me while shooting at someone else. I can also follow a teammate Ancilot and shoot over its shoulder. it will stay in my first hangar (for smaller maps) until perhaps I get a Haechi, for the second hangar (for larger map), I plan to have a Zeus Carn. instead, I will add a Punisher bot as Ancile breakers.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 15:32:13 GMT -5
Wins are more important nowadays because it generates Au for the winning side. There's no way to farm WSP, so before many high level players like myself had all the Gold bots and weapons. Now it's possible keys are worth more, but in trade off of getting stuff you don't have but don't really want either. So I got 6400 components for Tempest from Gold Chest. One offer I see quickly that I screencapped (so may be better out there) is Tempest 1430 + Inquisitor 360 bundle for 1500 Au. So almost 6400 Au to get that amount of components through daily offers. So keys > Au. Well, that certainly depends on your luck. I've opened my share of Gold and Superchests and never really gotten anything useful from it. Mostly more keys, some Au, a third Galahad, etc. I prefer the steady stream of component income from Bronze/Silver chests but I don't think it's more significant than picking up daily component deals. Also, Au can be converted to WSP at a pretty good rate if you do only the first few conversions daily. I get some 1100 WSP each day, a few more if there's a really good deal I want to get. IMO that's the best way get those deals. I agree with you. But some may want to take their chance, and not care what components are Au bot they get. Yes, for high level player, we don't want to get another Lancelot or Zeus. I was hoping to farm 2 Gold Chests this month, but it doesn't look like it. I haven't opened a GOld Chest since their 3rd Anniversary Event. Plus as long as I don't get a legacy bot, maybe 1 more Zeus is nice to make Zeus Fury, I don't really mind getting any and all components. I pulled 1 Orkan out of a silver chest this month. I won't use it, but if I get a Haechi, I'll need to level it up. My account has only 2 properly leveled Orkans, and another set that is somewhat under by a bit.
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Post by hon_shu on Nov 28, 2017 15:36:12 GMT -5
Well, that certainly depends on your luck. I've opened my share of Gold and Superchests and never really gotten anything useful from it. Mostly more keys, some Au, a third Galahad, etc. I prefer the steady stream of component income from Bronze/Silver chests but I don't think it's more significant than picking up daily component deals. Also, Au can be converted to WSP at a pretty good rate if you do only the first few conversions daily. I get some 1100 WSP each day, a few more if there's a really good deal I want to get. IMO that's the best way get those deals. I agree with you. But some may want to take their chance, and not care what components are Au bot they get. Yes, for high level player, we don't want to get another Lancelot or Zeus. I was hoping to farm 2 Gold Chests this month, but it doesn't look like it. I haven't opened a GOld Chest since their 3rd Anniversary Event. Plus as long as I don't get a legacy bot, maybe 1 more Zeus is nice to make Zeus Fury, I don't really mind getting any and all components. I pulled 1 Orkan out of a silver chest this month. I won't use it, but if I get a Haechi, I'll need to level it up. My account has only 2 properly leveled Orkans, and another set that is somewhat under by a bit. The free Bronze chests from ads should help you quite a bit towards that goal. Someone calculated that if you played 15 or so games a day and opened all available Bronze chests that it would get you to the Superchest. Level those Orkans .. and the Tarans .. it's the most important thing to do. I have 4 each at level 11 and it's still not enough.
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Post by Estoplast on Nov 28, 2017 16:09:06 GMT -5
(hangar is in my signature), Purely curious, do you still run a thunder carnage? I keep trying (mine is level 11 with 11 thunders) and I consider myself a good carnage pilot but I get absolutely eaten alive by plasma. You only occupie yourself with eating anciles at 400 +, keeping range+cover and killing point blank. Forget everything else.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 16:19:03 GMT -5
I agree with you. But some may want to take their chance, and not care what components are Au bot they get. Yes, for high level player, we don't want to get another Lancelot or Zeus. I was hoping to farm 2 Gold Chests this month, but it doesn't look like it. I haven't opened a GOld Chest since their 3rd Anniversary Event. Plus as long as I don't get a legacy bot, maybe 1 more Zeus is nice to make Zeus Fury, I don't really mind getting any and all components. I pulled 1 Orkan out of a silver chest this month. I won't use it, but if I get a Haechi, I'll need to level it up. My account has only 2 properly leveled Orkans, and another set that is somewhat under by a bit. The free Bronze chests from ads should help you quite a bit towards that goal. Someone calculated that if you played 15 or so games a day and opened all available Bronze chests that it would get you to the Superchest. Level those Orkans .. and the Tarans .. it's the most important thing to do. I have 4 each at level 11 and it's still not enough. This isn't my account. I'm farming silver for a clanmate since this is a legacy account and had < 1000 wins when I took it over. I can't farm with 5 brawlers, 4 of 'em Tarans, so I only upgraded very minimal just for me to farm. It's amazing 3 years, and this account can still compete in M1. I will probably give this account back early next year when I calculated that all medium weapons will be at L12, and bots should be 11.
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