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Post by cmdrperalta on Nov 28, 2017 11:41:07 GMT -5
Scourge Ancilot works about as well as a tarancilot. I mentioned that in my opinion it's okay on the lance. I never said it wouldn't work. But my personal opinion is it's not as effective as what an ancilot would do at his range and contribute to a match. However the OP mentioned he's having difficulty with that setup so it may be his type of playstyle. And based off of everything I've read and heard from his comments, I do find that this may work better for him as ancilot still works very well , he seems to have more success with it and he can try to maximize the usage of scourge elsewhere. Yes, I was not meaning to imply that you had. I am just agreeing that ancile is a better solution. I think OP said that he was having problems with Zeus-Scourge lance, even though he referred to it as an ancilot. I have been running a tarancilot and a scourge-ancilot in the same hangar and sometimes I replace the ancile with a tempest. My experience is that tempest-scourge is better than tempest-PunT, tempest-MolotT or zeus anything on a lance b/c you can start hitting at 600 m with 3 sustained fire weapons. For ancilot, scourge is starting to grow on me b/c it eliminates some of the big vulnerabilities of the tarancalot, which is running into faster bots that can stay outside of 350 and you can engage dashes earlier before they get close and wreck you with orkans. |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Nov 28, 2017 14:09:56 GMT -5
I mentioned that in my opinion it's okay on the lance. I never said it wouldn't work. But my personal opinion is it's not as effective as what an ancilot would do at his range and contribute to a match. However the OP mentioned he's having difficulty with that setup so it may be his type of playstyle. And based off of everything I've read and heard from his comments, I do find that this may work better for him as ancilot still works very well , he seems to have more success with it and he can try to maximize the usage of scourge elsewhere. Yes, I was not meaning to imply that you had. I am just agreeing that ancile is a better solution. I think OP said that he was having problems with Zeus-Scourge lance, even though he referred to it as an ancilot. I have been running a tarancilot and a scourge-ancilot in the same hangar and sometimes I replace the ancile with a tempest. My experience is that tempest-scourge is better than tempest-PunT, tempest-MolotT or zeus anything on a lance b/c you can start hitting at 600 m with 3 sustained fire weapons. For ancilot, scourge is starting to grow on me b/c it eliminates some of the big vulnerabilities of the tarancalot, which is running into faster bots that can stay outside of 350 and you can engage dashes earlier before they get close and wreck you with orkans. Gonna try that Scourg-est-ilot build. Tempest Molot-T Lance is a blast to play once the Lance is leveled to at least 9.. the most fun in a long range setup I have had is in that build. But I will give the Scourge a shot. |
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Post by Jame-thon on Nov 28, 2017 14:21:39 GMT -5
Yes, I was not meaning to imply that you had. I am just agreeing that ancile is a better solution. I think OP said that he was having problems with Zeus-Scourge lance, even though he referred to it as an ancilot. I have been running a tarancilot and a scourge-ancilot in the same hangar and sometimes I replace the ancile with a tempest. My experience is that tempest-scourge is better than tempest-PunT, tempest-MolotT or zeus anything on a lance b/c you can start hitting at 600 m with 3 sustained fire weapons. For ancilot, scourge is starting to grow on me b/c it eliminates some of the big vulnerabilities of the tarancalot, which is running into faster bots that can stay outside of 350 and you can engage dashes earlier before they get close and wreck you with orkans. Gonna try that Scourg-est-ilot build. Tempest Molot-T Lance is a blast to play once the Lance is leveled to at least 9.. the most fun in a long range setup I have had is in that build. But I will give the Scourge a shot. Tricks, I also would recommend the griffin gecko x2 scourge x2 setup if you want to try another setup with scourges that isn't with a dash bot. Extra distance, extra hardpoint and i've seen several War Robots peers have success with it if you haven't tried it yet : ) |
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Post by cmdrperalta on Nov 28, 2017 14:40:44 GMT -5
I love how you keep on calling the Zeus a "sniper weapon" even though it's maximum range is 600m. It is a mid-range sniper weapon. Whole name of the game with Zeus is to step in and out of cover every 5 seconds. If you are standing out in the open with it like you might with a scourge zeus, you are not really taking advantage of what the Zeus is built to do. Yes, you can stand in front of a higher DPS bot with your Zeus and exchange fire, but it's basically a rookie mistake. Something that you won't see much of once you get out of the lower tiers where you are currently playing. Yes, I have repeatedly said as much. But then you are using your Zeus poorly and needlessly exposing your bot when you have a primary weapon that only needs you to be exposed once every 5 seconds. But whatever. You do you. |
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Post by vin5240 on Nov 28, 2017 14:47:48 GMT -5
Scourge Ancilot works about as well as a tarancilot. I mentioned that in my opinion it's okay on the lance. I never said it wouldn't work. But my personal opinion is it's not as effective as what an ancilot would do at his range and contribute to a match. However the OP mentioned he's having difficulty with that setup so it may be his type of playstyle. And based off of everything I've read and heard from his comments, I do find that this may work better for him as ancilot still works very well , he seems to have more success with it and he can try to maximize the usage of scourge elsewhere. Thanks for the advice! I've been alternating between thunder/orkans, thunder/tarans, and ancile/taran setups to see which one I like. Personally, I've had more success using these setups over the zeus/scourge setup especially in beacon rush. My ancile is only lvl.5 right now so I'm using a lvl.11 thunder in it's place until I level it higher. I'm more of a brawler rather than a camper so when I was running the zeus/scourge setup, I had a tendency to move closer to the enemy to get more damage out of the scourges which didn't work out too well with all the RDB's waiting for me to move into range. I like playing thunder carnage and DB bots which can kill bots within a few seconds so I guess the damage from the scourges wasn't satisfying enough for me and I ended up rushing closer to deal more damage. I've also noticed when I'm using the lancelot and pushing to the beacon, my teammate tend to follow me and give me support which was really nice! I'll just stick with the zeus on the carnage. Would you prefer 2 zeus on a carnage or 3 scourges on a bulgasari? |
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Post by Jame-thon on Nov 28, 2017 15:12:42 GMT -5
I mentioned that in my opinion it's okay on the lance. I never said it wouldn't work. But my personal opinion is it's not as effective as what an ancilot would do at his range and contribute to a match. However the OP mentioned he's having difficulty with that setup so it may be his type of playstyle. And based off of everything I've read and heard from his comments, I do find that this may work better for him as ancilot still works very well , he seems to have more success with it and he can try to maximize the usage of scourge elsewhere. Thanks for the advice! I've been alternating between thunder/orkans, thunder/tarans, and ancile/taran setups to see which one I like. Personally, I've had more success using these setups over the zeus/scourge setup especially in beacon rush. My ancile is only lvl.5 right now so I'm using a lvl.11 thunder in it's place until I level it higher. I'm more of a brawler rather than a camper so when I was running the zeus/scourge setup, I had a tendency to move closer to the enemy to get more damage out of the scourges which didn't work out too well with all the RDB's waiting for me to move into range. I like playing thunder carnage and DB bots which can kill bots within a few seconds so I guess the damage from the scourges wasn't satisfying enough for me and I ended up rushing closer to deal more damage. I've also noticed when I'm using the lancelot and pushing to the beacon, my teammate tend to follow me and give me support which was really nice! I'll just stick with the zeus on the carnage. Would you prefer 2 zeus on a carnage or 3 scourges on a bulgasari? No prob. It's hard to get a taste for weapons until at least the bare minimum level 8. And sometimes you need it to be level 9 or 10 to really feel the worth so making an investment to those levels without really knowing can be tough to only find out it's not what you were looking for in gameplay. It's smart of you to wait until the ancile is higher level because the regeneration is just not there yet. Might as well go for damage with the thunder/orkan setup. However as you climb up the ladder and I think if you're on android around the expert level, the orkan/thunder just goes down too fast in my opinion in this rocket based dash meta we have. At the lower levels you may get away with it but I rather have the ancile and tanking power of the lance when you climb up the food chain. With regards to the scourge, don't discredit the power of the scourge. Yes it does matter what setup you have it on, but if you're putting it on a dash, you kite larger bots around and use your agility and ability to do a number especially on soft/low hp bots and even lancelots. The bulgasari scourge is by far the best setup for the scourge weapon imo and with the corner shooting of hiding behind cover and firing, he's lethal. yes it's not as satisfying as a blasting DB type of setup, but it's a damage over time (DOT) sort of attack and it really can do a number on enemy bots. It's one of my favorite setups at the midrange and I can really pick apart lances, griffins and ranged bots. Even as a brawler i would always suggest at least having 1 mid-range type of setup for the larger maps at the bare minimum despite what game mode you're on. Just have good map awareness and play your distances well. The Zeus is still a great weapon and very important in the dash meta as it can really force those guys into hiding or do a number on them. But for me, not on a carnage. Maybe in the diamond or lower levels it's fine but at the higher level, there's too many dashes around that can close the gap quick and also bigger ranged fishes around with stronger outputs like the zeus fury or any combinations of shocktrains/zeus/geckos/scourge/trebs. The only carnage setup right now that would be of interest to me is still the classic thunder carnage and be an assasin. Stay under cover and sneak up on players in close range combat. To me he's just not doing enough with 2 and can't really make as much as an impact as back in the day and gets taken out too quickly. Just my opinion, i'm sure some may feel differently, but If you have the bulgasari scourge, 100% use that. The dash ability he has and the corner shooting with (3) medium hardpoints for (3) scourges is just too much to pass up. To each their own, GL and that's my 0.02. |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Nov 28, 2017 16:07:49 GMT -5
Gonna try that Scourg-est-ilot build. Tempest Molot-T Lance is a blast to play once the Lance is leveled to at least 9.. the most fun in a long range setup I have had is in that build. But I will give the Scourge a shot. Tricks, I also would recommend the griffin gecko x2 scourge x2 setup if you want to try another setup with scourges that isn't with a dash bot. Extra distance, extra hardpoint and i've seen several War Robots peers have success with it if you haven't tried it yet : ) I've tried it on an account that is at level 6 across the board... well, it was at the time. Anyway, I wasn't happy with them at that level on that Griff configuration... but I saw the potential and will try them again once they are leveled. I did find them useful on the Doc to a degree... believe it or not. I used them first to keep the fire on folks at a distance and as I close, then switched to Tarans once they needed to reload if I was still in the fight. That and with Orks as the other weapon for if I needed to have a little Splash as well as that scourge-y electricity. Up close, even at level 6, they are great. But to use them at range and in a sustained manner I really want them in 3s. The Griff prolly is the best compromise as the 2 Gekkos are as close to another Scourge as I can get. A Bulge is deffo preferred. I tried them on the Lance instead of the normal Tarancilot and hated it. The Front shield and Ancile does allow a good bit of protection to enable sustained fire... BUT... it just wasn't good enough at range. Hell I'd rather use Punishers or Molots... tbh. Maybe the recent buff would change my mind... IDK. Tarancilot is just ingrained in me, I guess, and I use it on every account... it just works when used at the right time. At any level I play at... even when I get to squad with my Champ Clanmates (which is not that often anymore...  ) on my Diamond Android acct... 9/10. It holds its own. As to the Zeus Carnage... My main reason for still liking it is that it is still SO mobile... and the Ancile is enough to take the brunt of a salvo as you are "rushing" away. If you can play the game of obstacles by just having your Zeuses exposed when having to stand your ground, it can still be a damned good alternative to the other, newer, energy based Mid-Ranged weapons that have emerged. But in a game of highly mobile Dashes that have Sucktrains, it deffo is devalued more than I'd like. Either way... Good points all around in this thread, cheers for the thoughts all y'all have thrown into the pot! IMO, YMMV. |
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Post by BastionOW on Nov 28, 2017 23:02:16 GMT -5
I love how you keep on calling the Zeus a "sniper weapon" even though it's maximum range is 600m. It is a mid-range sniper weapon. Whole name of the game with Zeus is to step in and out of cover every 5 seconds. If you are standing out in the open with it like you might with a scourge zeus, you are not really taking advantage of what the Zeus is built to do. Yes, you can stand in front of a higher DPS bot with your Zeus and exchange fire, but it's basically a rookie mistake. Something that you won't see much of once you get out of the lower tiers where you are currently playing. Yes, I have repeatedly said as much. But then you are using your Zeus poorly and needlessly exposing your bot when you have a primary weapon that only needs you to be exposed once every 5 seconds. But whatever. You do you. Then explain to me why you claim the Gekko to be a better fit if you're doing the same exact thing except with less damage? |
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Post by hon_shu on Nov 28, 2017 23:26:43 GMT -5
My level 12 Tarans are glued to my Ancilot. People keep under-estimating just how much damage a full burst of two well-aimed Tarans can make.
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) on my Diamond Android acct... 9/10. It holds its own.