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Post by moses on Nov 26, 2017 15:53:43 GMT -5
Just ran the numbers. If you play a minimal amount you can get 1150 WSP a day using the gold you get from completing daily missions to buy the first few tiers of WSP. That is around 3 months of just doing daily tasks. If you play more than that then the time can be easily cut down to 2 months. Still very doable. And you're also working toward another weapon at the same time. I usually wait until there's a haechi + shocktrain WSP offer for 1300'ish WSP before I buy. So really not that bad. If you're not willing to wait a couple of months to grind something for freemium games then these type of games are really not for you. It has been established in another thread that the offers dry up once you reach certain component thresholds. I think people with 8k Haechi components reported that they don't get any Haechi deals at all. I have ~5k Haechi components and get only deals that are at best 1:10 components to WSP, usually more like 1:20. So apparently you can't get a Haechi by grinding. I finished off a haechi with wsp / gold offers after getting the Royale haechi 3.5k components on 8/9 spin. I now have almost no haechi components and get the same 120 component offers as you. As far as I saw they are cyclical - last week they had scourge 1400 something offers, now scourge is 480 but tempest is 1430. Haechi is just the lowest base so is the hardest to grind. i am not putting it past pixo to mess with the offers deliberately, but at the moment I am not seeing it myself.
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Post by deputy666 on Nov 26, 2017 16:24:27 GMT -5
I got the promotion this morning. VERY tempted. No way I will ever get one otherwise. This is the only forum I am on where the members are so worried about "other people's money". Who cares if some guy buys ALL the stuff from the Black Friday sales? It's not YOUR money. You didn't earn it. So much whine on here that the forum should provide free cheese to go with it. Maybe you don't care if your neighbor buys a drumset either. Thing is, I am playing against these whales and their triple Mk2 orkan dashnozzles. Their expenditures allow them to club my gold, silver, and wsp bots to pieces. With the current matchmaker pitting me against players with more than 3x my league points, I can't get away from them either (equivalent of wearing earplugs). The good news is it is easier to change games than change houses. Nope, I don't care if my neighbor buys 10 drum sets. I don't live 3 feet away from my neighbor in some overpopulated slum. Thing is, you have 3 choices. (1) Stop playing the game and lose all your efforts, (2) you have an equal opportunity to buy what others can buy, go for it, or (3) get better at the bots you already have. Maybe you are playing at a level too high for your capabilities? Maybe you made the mistake many make and rushed to the top too quickly? Drop down to silver/bronze. I don't have any of those big $$ weapons or dash bots, and I am having a great time at that level with level 6 bots. Dash bots are pretty rare at bronze/silver levels. But I can tell you right now...whining and pissing and moaning on the forum won't accomplish anything or change anything. The Russians know how to get the $$$ out of folks and they are doing it on a whole bunch of games.
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Post by hon_shu on Nov 26, 2017 16:29:13 GMT -5
I just bought a Mediapad M3 Tablet for the prize of two Dash bots on sale (~200 USD). Ridiculous. I'll wait till I get one from WSP component deals as I'm 8.5k into a Haechi now.
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Post by deputy666 on Nov 26, 2017 16:29:20 GMT -5
I got the promotion this morning. VERY tempted. No way I will ever get one otherwise. This is the only forum I am on where the members are so worried about "other people's money". Who cares if some guy buys ALL the stuff from the Black Friday sales? It's not YOUR money. You didn't earn it. So much whine on here that the forum should provide free cheese to go with it. Well, the thing is Pay2Win. In P2W games, you have those who pay to win over those who don't. And while some games are like this from the start, War Robots actually used to be a competitive game, where spending money would just speed things up, and you wouldn't have to spend more than you would spend on, say, WoW. Completely reasonable, even generous considering you could do it even paying nothing. And then people started to be ok with paying two console/PC games prices for single item in a mobile game. This combined with these expensive items being game-breakingly OP... The issue I have with other people's money is, they are paying to enable this, paying to ruin a game that used to be good. That's the reason for whining. I mean, I just came to conclusion that Android War Robots has no future for me and uninstalled it yesterday. Soon FBGR will follow, I am sure, thanks to these latest sales, which people are asking here if they should pay. Sure, pay to drive "content" away. Just be prepared to pay more to go full Mk2-12 DIESS hangar, or you will soon be the "content" to those who do. Get used to it. Russians seem to go Pay-to-win with all their games. Wargaming is doing it right now after waiting a long time. Lots of folks with money to blow on anything. Just the way it is. And the Russians are taking full advantage of every aspect of capitalism. It's the old "if you want to play (and win), you HAVE to pay". Russians may have lost the Cold War, but they are winning in capitalism.
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Post by deputy666 on Nov 26, 2017 16:32:43 GMT -5
I got the promotion this morning. VERY tempted. No way I will ever get one otherwise. This is the only forum I am on where the members are so worried about "other people's money". Who cares if some guy buys ALL the stuff from the Black Friday sales? It's not YOUR money. You didn't earn it. So much whine on here that the forum should provide free cheese to go with it. The problem is (a) the exploitation of gambling instincts and (b) the fact that the competetive balance of the game is upset by this pay to win approach. Upsetting competetive balance is a business decision. We may not like it, but it's Pixos decision. But the exploitation thing is despicable. I don't give a ?fluffy bunny? about how much people spend who can afford it. I do care about kids that are lured into gambling away money they don't have. No, the problem, if there even is one, is some folks are too poor to play these games. I don't give 2 squirts if someone's kid blew all his money his parent gave him on this game. Hell, he probably doesn't even pay for his cellphone anyway. Kids not being aware of the value of money is not my worry. That is the PARENTS worry. I'm not here to raise someone's kids. Not my job.
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Post by ΒΣRΖΣRKΛ²³ on Nov 26, 2017 17:13:59 GMT -5
The problem is (a) the exploitation of gambling instincts and (b) the fact that the competetive balance of the game is upset by this pay to win approach. Upsetting competetive balance is a business decision. We may not like it, but it's Pixos decision. But the exploitation thing is despicable. I don't give a ?fluffy bunny? about how much people spend who can afford it. I do care about kids that are lured into gambling away money they don't have. No, the problem, if there even is one, is some folks are too poor to play these games. I don't give 2 squirts if someone's kid blew all his money his parent gave him on this game. Hell, he probably doesn't even pay for his cellphone anyway. Kids not being aware of the value of money is not my worry. That is the PARENTS worry. I'm not here to raise someone's kids. Not my job. tell me..if you cant see beyond the lenght of your hand - is life easy or tough ?
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Post by pirateb0t on Nov 26, 2017 17:37:51 GMT -5
The only dash that is truly worth this is the Haechi. I know because I run one and it's an absolute beast against non dash bots. With that being said the power creep is so extreme in this game now that it's almost pointless to spend any money aside from maybe premium to get more silver for upgrades. If you're currently getting your butt whooped don't fret. Either increase your ranged bots and drop a tier or two or just play at your own pace.
There's almost no point these days in going up to the higher leagues. The game is so wretched when you start hitting entire champion squads w/ 3+ shocktrain bots in their hangar that you definitely don't want to rush to get here. Matter of fact these days when I run into a squad like this I drop maybe 2 bots maximum before sitting on the sidelines waiting for the game to end.
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Post by frunobulax on Nov 26, 2017 17:41:12 GMT -5
Russians seem to go Pay-to-win with all their games. Wargaming is doing it right now after waiting a long time. Lots of folks with money to blow on anything. Just the way it is. And the Russians are taking full advantage of every aspect of capitalism. This is both bullsit and racist. American companies started the p2w/loot box madness, Pixo was just a bit late to the party that all freemium mobile games have started.
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Post by frunobulax on Nov 26, 2017 17:43:20 GMT -5
No, the problem, if there even is one, is some folks are too poor to play these games. I don't give 2 squirts if someone's kid blew all his money his parent gave him on this game. Hell, he probably doesn't even pay for his cellphone anyway. Kids not being aware of the value of money is not my worry. That is the PARENTS worry. I'm not here to raise someone's kids. Not my job. So, you would suggest to drop all regulations on gambling, selling alcohol and tobacco to underage guys because ultimately the parents are responsible for their kids? Yeah, right. Do you even have kids? I think you have not the slightest idea what you're talking about.
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Post by hyderier on Nov 26, 2017 17:53:14 GMT -5
Well, the thing is Pay2Win. In P2W games, you have those who pay to win over those who don't. And while some games are like this from the start, War Robots actually used to be a competitive game, where spending money would just speed things up, and you wouldn't have to spend more than you would spend on, say, WoW. Completely reasonable, even generous considering you could do it even paying nothing. And then people started to be ok with paying two console/PC games prices for single item in a mobile game. This combined with these expensive items being game-breakingly OP... The issue I have with other people's money is, they are paying to enable this, paying to ruin a game that used to be good. That's the reason for whining. I mean, I just came to conclusion that Android War Robots has no future for me and uninstalled it yesterday. Soon FBGR will follow, I am sure, thanks to these latest sales, which people are asking here if they should pay. Sure, pay to drive "content" away. Just be prepared to pay more to go full Mk2-12 DIESS hangar, or you will soon be the "content" to those who do. Get used to it. Russians seem to go Pay-to-win with all their games. Wargaming is doing it right now after waiting a long time. Lots of folks with money to blow on anything. Just the way it is. And the Russians are taking full advantage of every aspect of capitalism. It's the old "if you want to play (and win), you HAVE to pay". Russians may have lost the Cold War, but they are winning in capitalism. I have no reason to "get used to it". These are games, after all. I don't change myself to fit some game, I just play other games, or do something else entirely. War Robots just was good enough game to be slightly upset about, when it goes bad.
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Post by deputy666 on Nov 26, 2017 19:36:15 GMT -5
Get used to it. Russians seem to go Pay-to-win with all their games. Wargaming is doing it right now after waiting a long time. Lots of folks with money to blow on anything. Just the way it is. And the Russians are taking full advantage of every aspect of capitalism. It's the old "if you want to play (and win), you HAVE to pay". Russians may have lost the Cold War, but they are winning in capitalism. I have no reason to "get used to it". These are games, after all. I don't change myself to fit some game, I just play other games, or do something else entirely. War Robots just was good enough game to be slightly upset about, when it goes bad. Well you are still whining on the forum about it. If you don't want to get used to it, might as well bail, because nothing you post on here is going to change one thing from Pixonic.
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Post by deputy666 on Nov 26, 2017 19:42:08 GMT -5
Russians seem to go Pay-to-win with all their games. Wargaming is doing it right now after waiting a long time. Lots of folks with money to blow on anything. Just the way it is. And the Russians are taking full advantage of every aspect of capitalism. This is both bullsit and racist. American companies started the p2w/loot box madness, Pixo was just a bit late to the party that all freemium mobile games have started. What in the world are you talking about??? What I said about Russians is a compliment. And BTW...Russia is NOT a "race". It's a nationality. Grow up little boy and use a dictionary before making outrageous and silly claims.
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Post by deputy666 on Nov 26, 2017 19:47:16 GMT -5
No, the problem, if there even is one, is some folks are too poor to play these games. I don't give 2 squirts if someone's kid blew all his money his parent gave him on this game. Hell, he probably doesn't even pay for his cellphone anyway. Kids not being aware of the value of money is not my worry. That is the PARENTS worry. I'm not here to raise someone's kids. Not my job. So, you would suggest to drop all regulations on gambling, selling alcohol and tobacco to underage guys because ultimately the parents are responsible for their kids? Yeah, right. Do you even have kids? I think you have not the slightest idea what you're talking about. Well not any more for parental responsibility I guess. Juveniles under the age of 18 pretty much tell their parents to f-off. That is NOT my problem. That is the PARENT'S problem. And if they choose to shirk their responsibilities, again, not my problem. I can only raise my own kids. Not the whole world's kids. And you don't know who is and isn't underage in this game anyway. 「whiskey tango foxtrot」 does gambling, alcohol and tobacco have to do with this game anyway???
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Post by helix on Nov 26, 2017 21:42:40 GMT -5
Anyone reading this, don't you DARE say this game is not 99% pay to win. To get any of the new bots, there is no other way to humanely acquire them. I'll list why this game is pay to win.
- The "spin to win" doesnt actually have equal chance on landing on any tile. It's rigged and will almost always land on useless crap - The the price to spin increases exponentially - $100 for a single bot.. I mean who actually has that money? Rich kids who have $1000s? How is that fair to the people who don't have that much money to waste but spend months trying to catch up? - Making bots WAY overpriced, then putting huge sales on them to make them look cheaper, even though they are absurdly expensive. - My final point: Even for the players who farm for ages still amount to nothing in comparison to the people who pay $100s for instant gratification. It's unfair. If it's pay to win, ITS NOT A GAME!! PAY TO WIN GAMES ARE NOT GAMES. They are scams. Games require skill, patience, and strategy, not a 「dookie」 load of money.
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Post by amoebastudios on Nov 27, 2017 0:57:23 GMT -5
Free games are always in one of three modes: 1) Completely free to build up player base. 2) Free but with IAP to advance quicker. 3) With enough population becomes pay to win.
Don't kid yourself you know where freemium games will eventually turn into . It's was never going to be competitive for free players in the long run.
It's a business, not a charity. Don't play freemium games without understanding the nature of the beast.
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Post by hyderier on Nov 27, 2017 2:30:23 GMT -5
Free games are always in one of three modes: 1) Completely free to build up player base. 2) Free but with IAP to advance quicker. 3) With enough population becomes pay to win. Don't kid yourself you know where freemium games will eventually turn into . It's was never going to be competitive for free players in the long run. It's a business, not a charity. Don't play freemium games without understanding the nature of the beast. Rather, don't invest in freemium games, because that will hasten their demise into P2W limbo. The less you pay, the longer you're going to have a good game. At the very least, stop spending if they are sold (like War Robots was sold to mail.ru), and start looking for a new game to invest you gaming time on. Consider e-sport titles (LoL, Dota2 etc), because they depend on their e-sport status, so P2W risk is almost zero. Be sure to spend some money on them to support the competitive gaming industry! Btw, these established competitive games are not charities either. I believe they are rather profitable businesses, so it doesn't have to be the way War Robots is today. And that path was fully open to War Robots too, unlike many other Freemium games (which are just money grabbing crap wrapped in fancy graphics), which makes its fate extra sad.
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Post by danny on Nov 27, 2017 3:19:57 GMT -5
I wonder how the whales who spent $300+ on their dash bots are feeling Like frunobulax said, It probably sucks for some. But most of the whales got there dash bots before the components. In the first 2 weeks of keys and chests it was easy. My first $99 worth of keys got me 3 dash bots. My second $99 got me 2 more. And my 3rd $99 got me 3. The 4th and final $99 got me 2 more. Ended up with 3 Kumiho, 3 Haechi, 4 bulg. $99 for one bot, lmao nope. $400 for 50+ bots (10 dash bots) and 100+ weapons, tons of gold and silver....yeahhhhhhh. After the whales got to get everything they wanted on the cheap, they started the components system to milk everyone else for the long run. Finally, you answered my question about what you have. And without any reference to steaks and starvation, too.
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Post by danny on Nov 27, 2017 3:27:26 GMT -5
Anyone reading this, don't you DARE say this game is not 99% pay to win. To get any of the new bots, there is no other way to humanely acquire them. I'll list why this game is pay to win. - The "spin to win" doesnt actually have equal chance on landing on any tile. It's rigged and will almost always land on useless crap - The the price to spin increases exponentially - $100 for a single bot.. I mean who actually has that money? Rich kids who have $1000s? How is that fair to the people who don't have that much money to waste but spend months trying to catch up? - Making bots WAY overpriced, then putting huge sales on them to make them look cheaper, even though they are absurdly expensive. - My final point: Even for the players who farm for ages still amount to nothing in comparison to the people who pay $100s for instant gratification. It's unfair. If it's pay to win, ITS NOT A GAME!! PAY TO WIN GAMES ARE NOT GAMES. They are scams. Games require skill, patience, and strategy, not a 「dookie」 load of money. You mean there are still ppl making that claim?!
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Post by Crow T. Robot on Nov 27, 2017 3:35:17 GMT -5
If anyone is interested I am selling my lawn mower for $15,000. But just for black friday you can have it for $5k. Bargain. LMAO, that's a steal !! Hilarious.....?
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Post by leavemealone on Nov 27, 2017 5:40:41 GMT -5
Maybe you don't care if your neighbor buys a drumset either. Thing is, I am playing against these whales and their triple Mk2 orkan dashnozzles. Their expenditures allow them to club my gold, silver, and wsp bots to pieces. With the current matchmaker pitting me against players with more than 3x my league points, I can't get away from them either (equivalent of wearing earplugs). The good news is it is easier to change games than change houses. Nope, I don't care if my neighbor buys 10 drum sets. I don't live 3 feet away from my neighbor in some overpopulated slum. Thing is, you have 3 choices. (1) Stop playing the game and lose all your efforts, (2) you have an equal opportunity to buy what others can buy, go for it, or (3) get better at the bots you already have. Maybe you are playing at a level too high for your capabilities? Maybe you made the mistake many make and rushed to the top too quickly? Drop down to silver/bronze. I don't have any of those big $$ weapons or dash bots, and I am having a great time at that level with level 6 bots. Dash bots are pretty rare at bronze/silver levels. But I can tell you right now...whining and pissing and moaning on the forum won't accomplish anything or change anything. The Russians know how to get the $$$ out of folks and they are doing it on a whole bunch of games. you will never get any better at this gane the matches are rigged, if the royal spinner is rigged then why can't they do the same for MM? . You will always get paired up with bad teams or lopsided hangars . They do this to encourage you pay for the latest items.
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Post by TravLar on Nov 27, 2017 7:17:18 GMT -5
Does anyone remember the supposed boycott of Pixonic? Expecting people to band together in pursuit of a common goal in a game filled with damage [nice ladies], tankers, and campers was pretty naïve. yup, maybe a little naïve - sorry. I'm still boycotting. It's starting to hurt with silver though (ironic huh - they're getting boycotted and I'm hurting and they're rolling in it). But the pressure to upgrade is off, getting a weapon or a bot up a level makes very little difference when the entire meta has been tipped on its head and the bot is totally out of its league anyway.
I started a 2nd account and its gonna be totally free - I'm not gonna spend a cent. That's been quite fun, see guys running into walls and just generally not having a clue what's going on just like I was in my first games. I was pretty much clubbing the first 20 odd games but I just flew up the ranking and it didn't take long to meet the baby whales. Its just crazy - guys are still in friggin bronze and they have PDBs, Zeuses, Galahads...
I used to think I must just be brilliant player 'cos I was playing against all these heavy hitters with my Cossack and Desterier and Boa. I thought the prices were "prohibitively expensive" and couldn't really influence the game... That's naïve!
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Post by snk on Nov 27, 2017 9:14:15 GMT -5
Some people paid few thousands when Dash cost $300-400 each and used Au speed up to MKII. I totally understand people now paying $100 - $500 to be competitive again in higher league. It is their choice how to use their money.
Howeve, There are new bots and weapons every months since Dash update, I believe there will be newer bots and weapons that even stronger, cost even more RM than Dash. To be competitive again? Shelves the MKII Dash, pay thousands again for the new bots and weapons to be competitive again.
I could tell War Robots new pilot get 5 slots, Orkans, Lancelot and Galahad from Au few months ago, but I don’t know how to tell them get 100k WSP or 20k Au for a Dash (you can’t even just buy them, you need to wait for deals for couple months).
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Post by deputy666 on Nov 27, 2017 11:54:44 GMT -5
Nope, I don't care if my neighbor buys 10 drum sets. I don't live 3 feet away from my neighbor in some overpopulated slum. Thing is, you have 3 choices. (1) Stop playing the game and lose all your efforts, (2) you have an equal opportunity to buy what others can buy, go for it, or (3) get better at the bots you already have. Maybe you are playing at a level too high for your capabilities? Maybe you made the mistake many make and rushed to the top too quickly? Drop down to silver/bronze. I don't have any of those big $$ weapons or dash bots, and I am having a great time at that level with level 6 bots. Dash bots are pretty rare at bronze/silver levels. But I can tell you right now...whining and pissing and moaning on the forum won't accomplish anything or change anything. The Russians know how to get the $$$ out of folks and they are doing it on a whole bunch of games. you will never get any better at this gane the matches are rigged, if the royal spinner is rigged then why can't they do the same for MM? . You will always get paired up with bad teams or lopsided hangars . They do this to encourage you pay for the latest items. Uh-oh....somebody has their tinfoil hat on WAY too tight!
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Post by krebby on Nov 27, 2017 12:14:23 GMT -5
The problem is (a) the exploitation of gambling instincts and (b) the fact that the competetive balance of the game is upset by this pay to win approach. Upsetting competetive balance is a business decision. We may not like it, but it's Pixos decision. But the exploitation thing is despicable. I don't give a ?fluffy bunny? about how much people spend who can afford it. I do care about kids that are lured into gambling away money they don't have. No, the problem, if there even is one, is some folks are too poor to play these games. I don't give 2 squirts if someone's kid blew all his money his parent gave him on this game. Hell, he probably doesn't even pay for his cellphone anyway. Kids not being aware of the value of money is not my worry. That is the PARENTS worry. I'm not here to raise someone's kids. Not my job. I just liked the game better when it was more accessible and balanced.
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Post by deputy666 on Nov 27, 2017 12:19:00 GMT -5
No, the problem, if there even is one, is some folks are too poor to play these games. I don't give 2 squirts if someone's kid blew all his money his parent gave him on this game. Hell, he probably doesn't even pay for his cellphone anyway. Kids not being aware of the value of money is not my worry. That is the PARENTS worry. I'm not here to raise someone's kids. Not my job. I just liked the game better when it was more accessible and balanced. "Balance", like many things, is in the eye of the beholder, and is always subject to change. People need to learn to adapt.
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Post by frunobulax on Nov 27, 2017 14:13:37 GMT -5
Does anyone remember the supposed boycott of Pixonic? I still boycott Pixo Not that it matters much, the way others are throwing money at them.
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Post by danny on Nov 27, 2017 14:27:23 GMT -5
Does anyone remember the supposed boycott of Pixonic? I still boycott Pixo Not that it matters much, the way others are throwing money at them. Not too long ago, most of us thought Pixonic was run by idiots with no business sense. But look at what is happening. Many of those up in arms against Pixonic now think $100 bots are reasonably priced. Who's the fool now? Pixonic is pure genius - their business model is perfect.
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Post by ᎶƦ℮℮ƊᎽ ƤΛƝƊΛ on Nov 27, 2017 14:35:12 GMT -5
I just liked the game better when it was more accessible and balanced. "Balance", like many things, is in the eye of the beholder, and is always subject to change. People need to learn to adapt. There is no such thing as adapting to a robot you can shoot your entire team without being out from cover for more than half a second. It's literally impossible to counter, which is why you're starting to see some people with Shocktrain Haechi hangars pushing over 2million average damage. Edit: Also, "balance" is not in the eye of the beholder, and it isn't subjective either. It's a very simple term, and rock/paper/scissors is the prime example. Bot group A beats bot group B, which beats bot group C, which beats bot group A. Obviously the game is a little more complex than just three categories, but true balance is when every bot and setup has a counter. That was the case for the game's first two years in existence. Every single bot setup had a counter, through every meta shift. It is no longer the case. There is no counter to the Shocktrain Dash.
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Post by pirateb0t on Nov 27, 2017 14:49:27 GMT -5
"Balance", like many things, is in the eye of the beholder, and is always subject to change. People need to learn to adapt. There is no such thing as adapting to a robot you can shoot your entire team without being out from cover for more than half a second. It's literally impossible to counter, which is why you're starting to see some people with Shocktrain Haechi hangars pushing over 2million average damage. Yep. That’s why I advise anyone who is facing these shocktrains hangars to go ultra long range and only drop a couple bots. I refuse to feed kills to these guys they can go shocktrain each other. The other thing is to make a mental note of the clans and players who run these hangars and boycott playing them in matches. I always screenshot the super whales and there are a few of them I refuse to play because they are so absurdly overpowered with these shocktrain setups.
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Post by Domino on Nov 27, 2017 15:55:17 GMT -5
There is no such thing as adapting to a robot you can shoot your entire team without being out from cover for more than half a second. It's literally impossible to counter, which is why you're starting to see some people with Shocktrain Haechi hangars pushing over 2million average damage. Yep. That’s why I advise anyone who is facing these shocktrains hangars to go ultra long range and only drop a couple bots. I refuse to feed kills to these guys they can go shocktrain each other. The other thing is to make a mental note of the clans and players who run these hangars and boycott playing them in matches. I always screenshot the super whales and there are a few of them I refuse to play because they are so absurdly overpowered with these shocktrain setups. Pixonic is still gathering data on this to see if they need to be addressed. This process might take a while however we heard you!
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