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Post by wildboar on Nov 22, 2017 8:22:02 GMT -5
Both with 32GB ... both with Android 6
same price/ same size
Which would you get?
The seem very close in performance spec
Feel the tablet I use has been letting me down when things get busy on screen ...
The only thing tipping the balance slightly is my wife has a Samsung Tab A and that seems pretty good - are these worth the extra £100?
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Post by the Expanse! on Nov 22, 2017 12:01:47 GMT -5
Haven't used the Asus Z500M. The Samsung Tab S2 is really good. I used it for War Robots for over a year (before I got a Samsung Tab S3)without out any issues. Easily handled the game, recorder and Discord. Great graphics and sounds.
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Post by bronzeknee on Nov 22, 2017 13:12:11 GMT -5
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Post by anjian on Nov 22, 2017 18:48:53 GMT -5
The Asus Z500M aka Asus Zenpad 3S 10, runs War Robots very well. Without shadows though, but it feels very smooth as a result of it. Shadows don't add anything to the game so you're better off without it and get extra frame rates in return. The screen on the tablet is fantastic, very clear, and you can clearly see the fine details off your mechs, and it helps with your situational awareness.
I depend on my Asus tablet for play --- War Robots is not the only game I am playing --- for work, and for social media, so its a very good all around tablet. Lots of memory if you get the 64Gb version.
I also have the Tab S3 as well.
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Post by wildboar on Nov 22, 2017 19:01:12 GMT -5
OK so the net result is not much in it but the Samsung has edged it?
Thanks for the input!
what is the 'thing' that decides whether you have shadows or not?
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Post by weaksauce on Nov 22, 2017 19:05:13 GMT -5
I have the Asus as well. Very happy. Very crisp vivid graphics, smooth scrolling touch screen. May want a longer charging cable, but otherwise it's an easy win.
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Post by anjian on Nov 22, 2017 19:08:32 GMT -5
OK so the net result is not much in it but the Samsung has edged it? Thanks for the input! what is the 'thing' that decides whether you have shadows or not? It has no setting, the game determines it automatically by checking what type of GPU it has. Personally I also have the 8" Tab S2, and I prefer the Asus Z500M because the screen looks much more neutral and the frame rates feel better thanks to no shadows. Note that both will upgrade to Android 7.0. The Asus has a 64Gb version and for gaming, that's what you need to look. |
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Post by wildboar on Nov 22, 2017 19:21:29 GMT -5
I have the Asus as well. Very happy. Very crisp vivid graphics, smooth scrolling touch screen. May want a longer charging cable, but otherwise it's an easy win. is it USB or is it something proprietary? Hope it's USB .. when we go away I have a "charge station" to charge 5 USB devices at once (yeah - I know!) ... would be good to charge from this rather than take another brick away with me (like current Tab) .. Wife's Tab A is USB so it is very handy to charge Edit : Just found it ... USB ... yay |
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Post by weaksauce on Nov 22, 2017 20:46:34 GMT -5
I have the Asus as well. Very happy. Very crisp vivid graphics, smooth scrolling touch screen. May want a longer charging cable, but otherwise it's an easy win. is it USB or is it something proprietary? Hope it's USB .. when we go away I have a "charge station" to charge 5 USB devices at once (yeah - I know!) ... would be good to charge from this rather than take another brick away with me (like current Tab) .. Wife's Tab A is USB so it is very handy to charge Edit : Just found it ... USB ... yay No is not a normal USB. I believe it is USB-C. I love it. Much more sturdy/solid then old USB. Supports balanced charging and rapid charging. I had a 6' heavy dust USB and I used an adapter from amazon. Cost was less then $5 and free 2 day shipping. Can run War Robots nonstop full speed with any brightness and does not even dent the battery. |
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Post by wildboar on Nov 23, 2017 3:59:39 GMT -5
USB-C is fine ... we use a device like this www.anker.com/products/variant/PowerPort-5-Ports/A2124112when we travel - saves taking loads of adapters /bricks to charge stuff... you just need the usb cables for each device and one socket where you are staying .. it's the future I tell ya!  |
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Post by anjian on Nov 23, 2017 22:39:40 GMT -5
There are also few other Android tablets that are worth considering for War Robots gaming other than what I have previously mentioned:
Galaxy Tab S3
Galaxy Tab S2 10" 2016 edition with the Qualcomm 652. SM-T813
Galaxy Tab S2 8" 2016 edition with the Qualcomm 652. SM-T713
Asus Zenpad 3S 10 Z500
Huawei Mediapad M3, probably the one with the best performance currently.
These are the:
Asus Zenpad 3 8 Z581 and Z582 --- This is very hard to get, I think this is only a Verizon exclusive. This has the same Qualcomm 652 used on the Tab S2 tablets. Z581 is the international variant, somewhat hard to find. Not the same as the Z580 which has an Intel Atom processor.
Xiaomi Mi Pad 3 --- Not available in the US but possibly elsewhere where Xiaomi products are sold. Uses MTK 8176 processor like the Zenpad 3S 10 Z500.
Amazon Fire tablet 10 HD --- Also has Mediatek 8176. This is one of the cheaper tablets available. ONly problem is that it comes with Lollipop and has no Google Play store. If you use this, you can will connect War Robots to the Amazon servers instead. If you want to use your Google account, you have to find a way to install Google Play services and the store into the tablet.
A number of Chromebooks that have touchscreens and Android Google Play support will play War Robots, but only with screen controls, you cannot use the keyboard and touchpad. If you have a Google Play account for War Robots on another phone or tablet, it would directly sync to them, and still keep the ones on your phone or tablet (the most recent updates are synced to all devices regardless where the most recent update is made). Among these are:
Acer R13
Acer R11 touchscreen aka C738T
Acer Spin 11 (possible)
Samsung Chromebook Plus
Samsung Chromebook Pro
Asus C302 SA
Asus C101 (Likely I haven't tested this one yet).
Due to the Intel GPU on some of the Chromebooks, they don't display shadows. However, you do get the grunt of an Intel M or i Core processor.
I think the new Google Pixelbook may run War Robots, but that thing is quite expensive so I can't really test that one out. I would put that under the strong potential list.
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Post by anjian on Nov 25, 2017 21:13:15 GMT -5
I don't have this tablet but given the specs, the quality I have seen on the reviews, near stock Android and supported updates, this might be the best Android tablet for the bang by the buck. Unfortunately I can't find it in Amazon but it appears on Alibaba. The Teclast T10 also has an 8" version with similar specs, the Teclast T8.
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Post by americanpilot8 on Nov 26, 2017 0:04:20 GMT -5
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Makes sense.
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Post by _psychø on Nov 26, 2017 17:03:46 GMT -5
Samsung, I don't trust mediatek processors, Snapdragon is always better.
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Post by anjian on Nov 26, 2017 23:13:01 GMT -5
Samsung, I don't trust mediatek processors, Snapdragon is always better. You're fine if the tablet uses the Mediatek 8176 processor. Versus the Snapdragon 652, the 652 has more cores and has a better graphics processor. But the 8176 runs at a higher clock speed. |
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Post by hon_shu on Nov 27, 2017 0:56:33 GMT -5
So unfortunately, the market for well-performing Android tablets is very small. 10-inch the ones I hear most about are Samsung S3 (best performance Android tablet available but too expensive for what you get IMO) and Zenpad (not very powerful). I wanted an 8-inch and recently got the Mediapad M3 for ~200 USD on Black Friday with 5% Prime cashback. Let's not forget that this device is over one year old and it's specs weren't top notch when it was released. So the price is about right, I would never pay $299 for it now. On the other hand, two Dash bots on SALE set you back $200 as well. ROFL. My impressions are very mixed and I'm not sure I would recommend it for War Robots if you're already playing on a decent phone (I have a Nexus 6p): - Software is total horsecrap. Having used pure Android Oreo on my Nexus, this Huawei EMOI BS is tough to put up with. I have installed a different launcher but every time I pull down the notification panel I get the creeps. - Performance is mediocre. It runs War Robots alright but it's far from "buttery smooth". If I turn the view quickly, it will lag quite a bit. And there's the micro stuttering with almost any app I use (play store, browser, etc.). I'd say the Nexus 6p has better performance but gets a bit hot while playing. Mediapad stays nice and cool. - Display is decent. Need to adjust to the bigger screen, not easy. - Sound is so-so. The speakers are placed on the side and I put my fingers on the them often during heated gameplay, so it's weird. Lowest setting is a bit too loud for me. - Physical buttons are too easy to push by accident. Well, I should have expected this from my Nexus 6p which is also made from Huawei. - Stupid metal "premium" frame makes the tablet heavier than ought to be. - The physical home/back button is very tedious to use. Maybe that's just me being used to onscreen buttons for years now. - Battery life seems good - Micro-USB. No Wifi 5GHz support. Really? So again, if you already have a decent phone, don't get this tablet. If you really need a tablet for War Robots now, get the Samsung, or get an iPad. I hate iOS but the iPad is currently much better value than any Android tablet offering out there. EDIT: According to anjian the Samsung S3 is not much better than the Mediapad M3. Since I have never used the S3, you either have to take his word for it or test it out yourself. |
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Post by anjian on Nov 27, 2017 2:00:47 GMT -5
S3 does not perform that much differently from the M3. Kirin 950 and Snapdragon 820 are fairly similar in performance. Kirin 960 or 970 are superior.
I have seen quite a bit of frame rate lag in videos that use iOS devices including iPads, like Adrian's. The problem may not be in the hardware but the fact that the Unity engine isn't the most optimal game when it comes to video performance unlike let's say Unreal 5 engine which BoT uses. The game engine is call heavy, which makes the engine more CPU intensive and less efficient in using the GPU.
Huawei's EMO UI is BS, but then again, Oreo despite being the superior Android version, has been noted to have issues with War Robots. I don't know if its already fixed but I should test it first with my Pixel XL.
Another factor is the extremely high resolution the M3 and some tablets have, which is at 2500 x 1600. There is going to be some lag compared to a tablet with only 1920 x 1020 resolution. Phones don't have this high a resolution, and with more up to date CPUs, can be smoother but I can't tolerate playing on small screens.
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Post by hon_shu on Nov 27, 2017 2:39:01 GMT -5
Hm, I don't know, in terms of benchmarks the newer Apple chips and even the SD820 blow the Kirin 950 out of the water in Antutu: www.gsmarena.com/antutu_benchmark_releases_latest_chipset_rankings_snapdragon_820_tops_competition-news-17097.phpIn practice, I don't see much difference from the SD810 in my Nexus other than better thermal management. The Nexus has 1440p resolution, and that chipset is at least two years old now. My point was, there is no good high-performance tablet running Android right now. The best/newest chipsets like the SD835 can only be found in smartphones. Are you aware of any tablets sporting Kirin 960/970? I've had zero problems with Android Oreo so far, neither when running War Robots nor running anything else. |
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Post by anjian on Nov 27, 2017 4:33:54 GMT -5
The difference among the tablets is not much because there are constraints within the game. If the game is particularly call heavy, its going to be more CPU dependent than GPU dependent.
I use the M3 for War Robots gaming, along with my Asus (MTK 8176), the Tab S3 (SD820) and the Tab S2 (SD652). Who gets to be used depends entirely whose battery is full and which tablet is on the charger.
The Tab S2 is supposed to have better graphics chip than the Mediatek and the Kirin 950 but frame rate loss is more evident here than the other chips. However, it also seems to vary from War Robots version to version, the current 3.4 feels smooth to me even from the S2 to be used nightly.
I don't use my Nexus 6P now, its retired, even without a scratch on it. I do feel its actually a little laggier than the Huawei P9 which I also have from the UI perspective wise.
I currently have a Pixel XL, but I don't game on it. I got a Pixel 2 XL in order. My S3 Tab is my primary Android gaming machine, with the M3 and Asus Zenpad as secondaries, and the S2 Tab running as third. War Robots isn't the only game I play, I use the other tablets to grind through some other games I play via autobattle, while doing other things.
My most powerful machine to run Android War Robots is none of these. Actually its an Asus C302 Chromebook. It runs on an Intel Skylake M3 processor. I also have War Robots Facebook on an Asus ROG with i7 6700 processor with an nVidia GTX1080 chipset.
Guess what, it also situationally lags a bit on those two machines. Figure out what's the real problem here.
Its not likely I would use my Pixel 2 XL for gaming other than Pokemon Go and the only time I open War Robots on my phone is to update my upgrades. I am perfectly content on using my S3 Tab, M3, S2 Tab and the Zenpad --- yeah I keep a whole bunch of tablets. I also use them for a lot of other things too.
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Post by _psychø on Nov 27, 2017 6:56:51 GMT -5
Samsung, I don't trust mediatek processors, Snapdragon is always better. You're fine if the tablet uses the Mediatek 8176 processor. Versus the Snapdragon 652, the 652 has more cores and has a better graphics processor. But the 8176 runs at a higher clock speed. But it's not all about the clock speed, my phone has a terrible processor that heats up, even if it has a great clock speed and a decent amount of cores, when it heats up it lowers the performance crazily. |
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Post by anjian on Nov 27, 2017 7:02:09 GMT -5
You're fine if the tablet uses the Mediatek 8176 processor. Versus the Snapdragon 652, the 652 has more cores and has a better graphics processor. But the 8176 runs at a higher clock speed. But it's not all about the clock speed, my phone has a terrible processor that heats up, even if it has a great clock speed and a decent amount of cores, when it heats up it lowers the performance crazily. The Mediatek 8176 remains cold even after hours of playing, does not heat up like those Tegra tablets (K1, Nexus 9, Pixel C). |
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