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Post by blackhand7 on Nov 11, 2017 19:30:47 GMT -5
So, here is my situation.... I have decided not to level my bots/weapons past level 10. I never leveled my Leo since I originally thought I would get rid of it, but there it still is... I am wondering if it is worth leveling. I am probably going to invest in an Orkan Ancilot relatively soon, but I like to switch things around a bit. My current hanger is below. I also have a bunch of other bots but the only one leveled is a Zeus Carnage 10/10/10.  |
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Post by cmdrperalta on Nov 11, 2017 21:56:48 GMT -5
What are your highest damage and highest perfoming bots?
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Post by BastionOW on Nov 11, 2017 22:17:54 GMT -5
It is. Just ask Russel
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Post by Alphabet Soup on Nov 11, 2017 22:22:30 GMT -5
I have one that I rotate out from time to time and use...
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Post by elcheapo on Nov 12, 2017 7:16:02 GMT -5
I see no reason to level up Leo if you going to buy another Lancelot or at least level up your lances and grifs first . Level 6 leo is pretty solid as is .
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Post by darkknight on Nov 12, 2017 7:53:27 GMT -5
So, here is my situation.... I have decided not to level my bots/weapons past level 10. I never leveled my Leo since I originally thought I would get rid of it, but there it still is... I am wondering if it is worth leveling. I am probably going to invest in an Orkan Ancilot relatively soon, but I like to switch things around a bit. My current hanger is below. I also have a bunch of other bots but the only one leveled is a Zeus Carnage 10/10/10. Unfortunately Leo is too slow..I’ll rather go for max mk2 golem..same hp as lvl 11 leo..takes 9 days to lvl up from lvl 1 mk1 to max mk12 and have more speed compared to Leo,good for side shooting and have all slots although in terms of fire power it’s almost same as Leo and silver required is around 14m |
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Post by _psychø on Nov 12, 2017 8:00:35 GMT -5
It definitely is, the only thing it's weak against is DB, But other than that it's a tank.
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Post by blackhand7 on Nov 12, 2017 8:05:18 GMT -5
What are your highest damage and highest perfoming bots? Probably my Lances, partially because I can stay alive longer in them. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2017 8:32:24 GMT -5
So, here is my situation.... I have decided not to level my bots/weapons past level 10. I never leveled my Leo since I originally thought I would get rid of it, but there it still is... I am wondering if it is worth leveling. I am probably going to invest in an Orkan Ancilot relatively soon, but I like to switch things around a bit. My current hanger is below. I also have a bunch of other bots but the only one leveled is a Zeus Carnage 10/10/10. Unfortunately Leo is too slow..I’ll rather go for max mk2 golem..same hp as lvl 11 leo..takes 9 days to lvl up from lvl 1 mk1 to max mk12 and have more speed compared to Leo,good for side shooting and have all slots although in terms of fire power it’s almost same as Leo and silver required is around 14m You need 16 millions to level up a Golem from L1 to L12 MK1! You have to double these numbers and add 500 gold to the equation to have a L12 MK2 Golem. In my opinion, it's a waste of resources...Golems are not so good and so are Leos (altough Leos can be viable as long/midrangers). |
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Post by cmdrperalta on Nov 12, 2017 9:10:39 GMT -5
So, my thought is that it only takes 4-5 days to get the Leo to level 9, which is where it maxes out on speed. I tend to try to level the bots I run at least to where they hit their max speed. However, I find that Leo is a "swing bot" in my hangar. If I am going for high dam I will run a thunder pun or tempest pun load on the Leo and run it in the 5th spot b/c it can put some hurt on people, including dashes. I just had a modestly wounded much higher level lance try and run from a thunder pun Leo on Yamantau. Leo can definitely give and take punishment. Also, it is a little sturdier than lances in the midrange in many situations thanks to higher hp and the 2x damage buff to kinetic weapons. That said, so far I have always ound a higher priority than upgrading my Leo than upgrading past lvl 8.
Is there a reason you don't want to upgrade past 10?
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Post by pirateb0t on Nov 12, 2017 11:33:15 GMT -5
It depends purely on the role. I find leo to be an excellent bot even at higher league play. The reason being is that it's very flexible. You can outfit it for close range or long range. Where the leo really excels in my opinion is sniper support. Gekko/treb setup on a leo is very nasty and I use mine all the time to take out little quad gekko pattons and such who think they can outduel me.
I saw a champ run a ember/magnum leo the other day and wreck a lot of people. If I had an ember i'd love to try this build too.
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Post by darkknight on Nov 12, 2017 11:46:23 GMT -5
Unfortunately Leo is too slow..I’ll rather go for max mk2 golem..same hp as lvl 11 leo..takes 9 days to lvl up from lvl 1 mk1 to max mk12 and have more speed compared to Leo,good for side shooting and have all slots although in terms of fire power it’s almost same as Leo and silver required is around 14m You need 16 millions to level up a Golem from L1 to L12 MK1! You have to double these numbers and add 500 gold to the equation to have a L12 MK2 Golem. In my opinion, it's a waste of resources...Golems are not so good and so are Leos (altough Leos can be viable as long/midrangers). Golem works pretty good till expert 2..higher maybe not..even max mk2 golem can kill a Lance easily assuming it has 10+ weap and skilled player even though it don’t require much skill to pilot except side shooting ..even can take out a dB griff if his orks and piñatas are (8/9) lvl and checking out the leaugue he is in I guess it will work nicely..I have crossed 1 mil damage many times with golem which I was hardly able to during a knife fight ( assuming I don’t snipe) usually I got stuck at 700-850k however if I use golem I can score 900k+ In a fair knife fight..they are not op but peep always underestimate them a lot that’s what makes them deadly  ..ofc I believe silver would be somewhat not much (32 mil acc to your calculation) ..gold maybe but I bet it’s worth upgrading..they might not be any good in masters and higher leaugue but in expert and lower they are gr8 |
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Post by Thunderkiss on Nov 12, 2017 17:02:27 GMT -5
If you want to be liked in champ league, then yes. All the reds will be tripping over each other to get to you ?
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Post by moody on Nov 12, 2017 17:54:58 GMT -5
It definitely is, the only thing it's weak against is DB, But other than that it's a tank. It's weak as hell against plasma griff and plasmahad. DB are generally not as much of an issue. I have started cycling in a plasma leo with ancille whenever i make my second ancilot into a thunder ork lance. It has every bit as much place as any other bot in my hangar - lasts at least as long as anything else and does a hell of a lot of constant damage with 3 mags. With the ancille you can survive a lot of rockets, and the plasma just takes a bit of cover and corner shooting (yes you can corner shoot with a leo). This is in E2/E3 with a lev 9 leo, lev 10 mags and ancille. |
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Post by T34 on Nov 12, 2017 19:31:05 GMT -5
Curve ball to consider. I would not level any silver or gold bots. They are obsolete. You level them, your damage goes up and you go up in leagues and all your effort is wasted as the MM associated with the increase in leagues will wipe out the benefits of your efforts. Eventually levelling these items is a dead end and it makes little difference what level you have these obsolete bots because the new meta is superior and the proliferation of new gear will continue at an ever increasing rate (in proportion to user base) . So it is pointless (with the exception of the fury).
I think the difference between the old and new meta will increase further in favour of the new. Concentrate on acquiring the new content using WSPs and gold through the offers. Level new content using saved resources. A lot of people from higher leagues but without RM are doing this in lower leagues and this will add even more new gear into the arena after they have fattened up and ascended.
I would not invest into an orkan ancilot. That’s 8900 Au (6500 excl orks). That’s enough to buy half a haechi or bulgie (over time ofcourse) which are superior. And say with a haechi you level the ancile at the same time as the bot where as with the Lance you will be levelling them separately. Levelling the lance and the ancile take lots of resources/time and you have to level them really high or max them out to realise the bulk of the benefit. We also sort of strongly suspect the rock bottom price of a dash bot will be 14K au. The lance is close to half way to a bulgie or haechi in price.
With the recent changes I think it is very important to realise what this game is. Progression is mostly a function of time and money. Also worth considering that as you level your obsolete gear higher you will move up the ranks. But eventually you will reach a dead end where your obsolete hanger will start loosing its relevance really fast.
The game has changed. Lance is not the king anymore. The lance has become an interim solution that is very expensive for what it is. Its price has been inflated in terms of its current function.
The above does not hold if your main priority is to have the highest league title next to your name or if you just want to own a lance for the fun of it.
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Post by blackhand7 on Nov 12, 2017 19:33:23 GMT -5
Is there a reason you don't want to upgrade past 10? For a couple of reasons. I feel that the cost of level 11-12 are cost prohibitive for me right now. I don’t aspire to play in the higher leagues...I am happy in diamond. I can level a lot more bots and weapons to 10 and have a more diverse hangar, rather than a maxed one. I might change my mind someday but given the whales in the top tiers, I have no desire to meet them! |
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Post by blackhand7 on Nov 12, 2017 19:34:19 GMT -5
If you want to be liked in champ league, then yes. All the reds will be tripping over each other to get to you ? I don’t want to be in champ leagues.. no thanks! |
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Post by cmdrperalta on Nov 12, 2017 19:43:24 GMT -5
I would not invest into an orkan ancilot. That’s 8900 Au (6500 excl orks). That’s enough to buy half a haechi or bulgie (over time ofcourse) which are superior. And say with a haechi you level the ancile at the same time as the bot where as with the Lance you will be levelling them separately The game has changed. Lance is not the king anymore. The lance has become an interim solution that is very expensive for what it is. Its price has been inflated in terms of its current function. I agree with a lot of what you are saying but realistically, how many people pay full freight for these bots? If you watch the offers, you can get a lance for $19.99. if you play a lot like I do during the tournes, you can have a decent chance of winning one. I got one in each tourney on the BB spin and its predecessor. I have probably spent $70 since I started playing, most of that frittered on leveling or a gepard or whatnot. But the hangar I have is basically either all freebies or minimum $$ and that's 2 lances, a kumi, rog, 2 carnage, rhino to go with 3 tempests 3 orkans 2 scourge, 2 anciles and lordknowswhatelse. Probably my best purchase was saving Au and buying the $.99 Au until I could get a Rog for $5 in Au purchases plus play. My point is, besides the whales who will bust $5k or whatever to get a sweet hangar, how many people really pay full freight? I have to imagine most people don't really spend $40 for a lance, right? |
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Post by blackhand7 on Nov 12, 2017 19:44:06 GMT -5
Curve ball to consider. I would not level any silver or gold bots. They are obsolete. You level them, your damage goes up and you go up in leagues and all your effort is wasted as the MM associated with the increase in leagues will wipe out the benefits of your efforts. Eventually levelling these items is a dead end and it makes little difference what level you have these obsolete bots because the new meta is superior and the proliferation of new gear will continue at an ever increasing rate (in proportion to user base) . So it is pointless (with the exception of the fury). I think the difference between the old and new meta will increase further in favour of the new. Concentrate on acquiring the new content using WSPs and gold through the offers. Level new content using saved resources. A lot of people from higher leagues but without RM are doing this in lower leagues and this will add even more new gear into the arena after they have fattened up and ascended. I would not invest into an orkan ancilot. That’s 8900 Au (6500 excl orks). That’s enough to buy half a haechi or bulgie (over time ofcourse) which are superior. And say with a haechi you level the ancile at the same time as the bot where as with the Lance you will be levelling them separately. Levelling the lance and the ancile take lots of resources/time and you have to level them really high or max them out to realise the bulk of the benefit. We also sort of strongly suspect the rock bottom price of a dash bot will be 14K au. The lance is close to half way to a bulgie or haechi in price. With the recent changes I think it is very important to realise what this game is. Progression is mostly a function of time and money. Also worth considering that as you level your obsolete gear higher you will move up the ranks. But eventually you will reach a dead end where your obsolete hanger will start loosing its relevance really fast. The game has changed. Lance is not the king anymore. The lance has become an interim solution that is very expensive for what it is. Its price has been inflated in terms of its current function. The above does not hold if your main priority is to have the highest league title next to your name or if you just want to own a lance for the fun of it. Thanks for your response... will definitely consider what you said. I have been buying components for some stuff, mainly an Ember and Haechi. I am a long way from acquiring anything, however. I am not sure what to do with my gold right now... may sit on it or impulse buy that other Lance! As you can se from my hangar, I am in this game for fun and not too concerned about the meta or having the latest and greatest. Having said that, I also don’t want to be frustrated and I totally get where you are coming from. |
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Post by T34 on Nov 12, 2017 20:18:53 GMT -5
Curve ball to consider. I would not level any silver or gold bots. They are obsolete. You level them, your damage goes up and you go up in leagues and all your effort is wasted as the MM associated with the increase in leagues will wipe out the benefits of your efforts. Eventually levelling these items is a dead end and it makes little difference what level you have these obsolete bots because the new meta is superior and the proliferation of new gear will continue at an ever increasing rate (in proportion to user base) . So it is pointless (with the exception of the fury). I think the difference between the old and new meta will increase further in favour of the new. Concentrate on acquiring the new content using WSPs and gold through the offers. Level new content using saved resources. A lot of people from higher leagues but without RM are doing this in lower leagues and this will add even more new gear into the arena after they have fattened up and ascended. I would not invest into an orkan ancilot. That’s 8900 Au (6500 excl orks). That’s enough to buy half a haechi or bulgie (over time ofcourse) which are superior. And say with a haechi you level the ancile at the same time as the bot where as with the Lance you will be levelling them separately. Levelling the lance and the ancile take lots of resources/time and you have to level them really high or max them out to realise the bulk of the benefit. We also sort of strongly suspect the rock bottom price of a dash bot will be 14K au. The lance is close to half way to a bulgie or haechi in price. With the recent changes I think it is very important to realise what this game is. Progression is mostly a function of time and money. Also worth considering that as you level your obsolete gear higher you will move up the ranks. But eventually you will reach a dead end where your obsolete hanger will start loosing its relevance really fast. The game has changed. Lance is not the king anymore. The lance has become an interim solution that is very expensive for what it is. Its price has been inflated in terms of its current function. The above does not hold if your main priority is to have the highest league title next to your name or if you just want to own a lance for the fun of it. Thanks for your response... will definitely consider what you said. I have been buying components for some stuff, mainly an Ember and Haechi. I am a long way from acquiring anything, however. I am not sure what to do with my gold right now... may sit on it or impulse buy that other Lance! As you can se from my hangar, I am in this game for fun and not too concerned about the meta or having the latest and greatest. Having said that, I also don’t want to be frustrated and I totally get where you are coming from. Don’t get me wrong. The lance is a good bot with some caveats. Bot at min 10 and ancile min at 11 and orks at 10+. That’s a lot of levelling. A LOT. Such a bot will put you into the transition zone as it is still very strong in relation to the other bots. But the transition zone is not a place you want to be. I personally refocused my savings efforts to components. You save if you want to buy superseded bots or save by buying components as you go for new gear. For me, so far 80% ember, 65% scourge (already have 3 others) 50% tempest (have 3 others) and about 40-50% of all other stuff with the exception of a haechi (just collected that one after some HV gambling). No RM spent just been converting at a steady rate every day (gold->wsp) and buying the sensible offers. The traditional savings objectives is gone with the introduction of components. The best way to do it now if you want to play with new content is to buy WSP with Gold to a certain conversion ratio and then buy those WSP offers only. I stopped spending on this game but if you are happy to spend RM buy the good gold offers and convert that to WSPs. But the downside is that a Kbot will put you in the transition zone as well. But at least you could be competitive with one bot. Most importantly in terms of fun (personal opinion): Kumi>haechi>Bulgie>lancelot. bulgie and Haechi are close. Lance is slow, new bots are more fun. Nothing worse than re-spawning at Yama and making a cup of tea while the lance walks back into action and taken out after a minute of walking. If you zoom in on a haechi or bulgie or Kumi, you will probably collect all of them very close to each other in terms of time anyway. |
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Post by _psychø on Nov 13, 2017 7:23:53 GMT -5
It definitely is, the only thing it's weak against is DB, But other than that it's a tank. It's weak as hell against plasma griff and plasmahad. DB are generally not as much of an issue. I have started cycling in a plasma leo with ancille whenever i make my second ancilot into a thunder ork lance. It has every bit as much place as any other bot in my hangar - lasts at least as long as anything else and does a hell of a lot of constant damage with 3 mags. With the ancille you can survive a lot of rockets, and the plasma just takes a bit of cover and corner shooting (yes you can corner shoot with a leo). This is in E2/E3 with a lev 9 leo, lev 10 mags and ancille. If it's MK2 level 12, then it can definitely beat a PDB unless you corner shoot it till death, if you want it to withstand anything, put both Ancile and Ecu!  |
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Post by F-A-H-Q on Nov 13, 2017 9:02:26 GMT -5
In iOS champ you do see Leo's. Usually the disco variety-zeus gekko. They are annoying as can be on long maps and yes, maxed they do considerable damage. I also see pot head load outs-magnum and aphids.
The most effective I've seen is a tempest punisher Leo. Those mess up a bot.
These pretty much suck on short maps. I get irrationally angry when someone on my team drops a disco Leo as a first bot in BR on dead city.
As for lance....I have 5 dash bots, lance still has a place in my hanger. An ancilot still does what no other bot can do-he can get into a mess and change a beacon (think recapturing center on Yamantu via the covered bridge side). None of my dash bots can fill that role. They can kill anything one on one but just don't have the tankiness that an ancilot has. Thus, he has a very important role in my hanger (with maxed mk2 tarans).
Leo can very much be like a lance-except the physical shield is hp not a shield.
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Post by Uhnonimis on Nov 13, 2017 18:47:05 GMT -5
I would level the Leo. As you climb in rank, you will need to transition it to longer range weapons. The big pile of hit points is not nearly as effective as a shield (either physical or energy) at short range when you face more powerful opponents.
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Post by cmdrperalta on Nov 13, 2017 18:57:47 GMT -5
In iOS champ you do see Leo's. Usually the disco variety-zeus gekko. They are annoying as can be on long maps and yes, maxed they do considerable damage. I also see pot head load outs-magnum and aphids. The most effective I've seen is a tempest punisher Leo. Those mess up a bot. These pretty much suck on short maps. I get irrationally angry when someone on my team drops a disco Leo as a first bot in BR on dead city. As for lance....I have 5 dash bots, lance still has a place in my hanger. An ancilot still does what no other bot can do-he can get into a mess and change a beacon (think recapturing center on Yamantu via the covered bridge side). None of my dash bots can fill that role. They can kill anything one on one but just don't have the tankiness that an ancilot has. Thus, he has a very important role in my hanger (with maxed mk2 tarans). Leo can very much be like a lance-except the physical shield is hp not a shield. Agree with everything you say except if you have a disco leo you want to burn anyway, killing beacon runners on the sides is the only non-terrible use for it on that map. |
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..ofc I believe silver would be somewhat not much (32 mil acc to your calculation) ..gold maybe but I bet it’s worth upgrading..they might not be any good in masters and higher leaugue but in expert and lower they are gr8
