Tempest Molot Leo: is it good?

I have 3 tempests. I find that tempest hits like people think thunder hits at 400 m but is only better than thunder above 250m or so (not that you would ever want to be that close). You need to get it to level 10 or so at your level.  Optimum range is 400-650m.  I don't like pairing them with molot b/c I want to use them in every battle and I find molot does not hit hard enough for the short maps. Also 10 sec cooldown is a long time.  You may have more success. 

I very much like pairing it with PunT. It's like a symphony. Tempest comes up at 700-800m. Both at 500m and the varied cycle gives you a nice consistent hail of fire.  I believe that over 300m tempest/pun/pun/pun is the second highest per cycle damage combo in the game just behind tempest punT of a lance.  However, Leo is higher hp rather than armor-dependent so it is a little more resilitent to missiles than a lance which is pretty nice in the midrange.

You should eat rdbs, and molot or pun griffs for lunch, and also lances, other leos and even ember inquisitors if you stay above their range.  It is one of the few silver builds that can kinda sorta hang in there with the ancile-dashes since you can light up their ancile at range to draw attention to them and, at a minimum, wear it down to give you and your knife fighting teammates a kinda fighting shot with missiles. That's my experience anyway.  At least on the big map or on maps where you can get the high ground.

I think it would hold its own against rdbs. I just ran a natty with tempest noricums in my last game which was super fun. Use the noricum to move people from cover and then wail on them with the tempest. You might try that with 1 of the leo slots.  So that would be tempest noricum molot molot.  I'd definitely try different configuratuions

I have only one Lancelot (L10 Ancile/Taran) so I can't "waste" it equipping long range weapons. Of course I will try the build you suggest when I'll buy my second one. It would be better than the Leo both in terms of firepower and durability.

Regarding the Golem: I know it's really cheap to upgrade, but even at L12 it has less HP compared to my L8 Leo and has less firepower because two Molots are stronger than a Molot T.

Well, here it is! It’s really underleveled at the moment but I’m having encouraging results. At L10/10 it will be very good IMHO!

 The best counter for midrangers is ultra long range snipers such as a treb fury or butch setup or treb/gekko leo (what I run in my hangar). It seems like every other game i'm taking out fury zeus's, rdbs, shocktrain cheaters, etc...

I have found that a triple tempest Fury is a great counter to both midrangers and snipers.

Against midrangers, it puts out respectable damage, stripping shields of both varieties, and all from the safety of 700+ meters.

Against snipers, the damage it can put out usually forces them out of position, if it doesn't kill them outright, and I don't have to spend a long time getting in range.

No I'm not even planning to upgrade my Leo higher than L9. It's just a placeholder until I can afford a second Tempest and put them on a Natasha (great firepower and those flames on the paintjob are sooo sweet LoL). What you guys say about the Mk2 Golem is true and I have to admit that it would be better than my Leo (its speed would be useful to find better firing lines too), but considering that it's just a temporary bot and that I don't have so much AG I'm not sure that leveling up a Golem would be the right choiche. The Natasha is fast and cheap to upgrade too, so I don't know. Anyway, thank you very much for the input, I will try the Golem (maybe on the test server, if Pixo will let us use Tempests on it).

I've gone up against all sorts of tempest builds including maxed tempest fury. It won't win against maxxed true long range snipers. All I have to do is duck and wait until my gekkos/treb is charged full then unload.

The tempest spread is much too large and damage too little at max range to do effective damage. The big negative is that the tempests take much longer to unload too.

Gekkos/treb can unload faster than the tempest and also effectively corner shoot. A maxxed butch treb would win even easier against a fury tempest.

Totally agree with your statement here.  Regarding the above statement, tempest carnage and fury are both weak against the sniper builds described above but I usually shred snipers with my tempest lance when it comes time to get serious about going to get them.    A turkey shoot leo or natasha (tempest-something else long-noricum) is a pretty good tempest build for dealing with snipers.  But it's all rock-scissors paper and depends a great deal on the map.  Also, energy weapon snipers do not do 2x to armor or take down anciles tend not to do much overall damage a liability compared to other builds on some maps and are mostly defenseless once something gets close.

To use it effectively means you have to stay out in the open a bit more rather than sniping.  You might also try a turkey shoot variant.  I find that tempest upends the model for how most bots like to deal with noricums.  Charging it from longrange to silence the noris is usually a very bad idea.  2 noricum even unimproved does the trick on D1/Expert3.

Yes it's similar to a Molot Griff in terms of damage. I'm using it because I'm planning to buy another Tempest and put them on a Natasha, otherwise a Griffin would have been effective and much cheaper.

I run a sniper build in my hangar and my win rate usually sits firmly above 50% with solo play at masters but thanks for the backhanded comment implying I camp.

My point is that tempest is not even that good at long range suppression unless the sniper is absolutely 「slow」. It takes one cycle of a true long range sniper to get the tempest build to hide. Sniper battles do happen quite frequently on canyon and yama though. Try grabbing beacons with ancilots while maxed mk2 scourges/zeus's/shocktrains/gekkos/trebs pound you mercilously in the open.

Sometimes sniper combat is necessary depending on what the enemy team drops. A good sniper will be targeting jumping beacon grabbers and energy shielded dash bots anyhow.

I wasn't implying you camp, that was purely comment to discussion wether a Treb sniper can take some Tempest build out or not. Who takes who out isn't the important thing. It's who accomplishes the mission of gaining beacons and close range battlefield control.

It's often preferable to suicide by allowing enemy to take you out, than suicide by ejecting. Forcing a sniper to spend their Treb load on you takes 2%-10% of their total battle damage output away (when alternative is you just ejecting).

As I said, in my exp. Molots don't hit hard enough and the timing cycle is too short. Tempest punishers is a symphony. Tempest comes up at 600-650. Puns come up at 500. Tempest goes down. Tempest comes back up anf they fire together. Puns go down. That 25-40 second cycle is massive damage.  Nothing else comes close to it in the game at that range.  Basically anything slow that depends on a taran or orkan or thunder is defenseless against it most of the time on most of the maps.   But tempest needs to be at least 8 b/c its basically just a big molot.

With tempest-molot its, tempest and molot come up at 650 for 15 secs. Both go down for 10. Both come up for 15. It's meh damage. Just not enough to make it worthwhile esp against anciles.